New York 116 - Prozacs Large Normal - Night 3

[Wraith]

Ah, I see you're talking about the mothrax wagon. That's not something that Fugitive(now me) and Lowell would have to explain alone. All the people on that wagon could be tunneling mothrax using that logic. And I'm not tunneling mothrax; I unvoted for him.

Like I said, it's flimsy, it could be a coincidence. But IMO their playstyles and suspicions are/were very similar, and neither contributed anything to help the town. To me, it's almost "too much" of a coincidence.

[AGar]

Here's an idea:

Benmage wagon.

He initially tried to push a very scummy policy lynch on Lowell for reasons that do not benefit the town in the least bit. Since his policy lynching attempt has all but failed, Benmage has disappeared. I know he's blaming the /in-vitational game for taking up his time, but the game really wasn't that much of a time constraint, and it got shut down. Two days ago. The fallout shouldn't be absorbing all of his time, and he doesn't appear to be in any other games. In other words, he should be posting. And he's not.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Benmage

[Stef]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Benmage

I approve of this service/product.

Vote: Benmage

[Benmage]

First attemptt at phone msging huzzah, this is my 4th game not counting the invitational fiasco

[Toon Fighter]

@Mothrax: I didn't really like your answer because a) It was more about attacking digi first and only defending yourself when you were really under pressure (L-3) and b) you didn't answer my post directly. Why did you dismiss the growing wagon on you?, and now c) Jumping on Lowell's wagon beacuse "it's fun"

[Toogeloo]

Here's an idea:

Benmage wagon.

He initially tried to push a very scummy policy lynch on Lowell for reasons that do not benefit the town in the least bit. Since his policy lynching attempt has all but failed, Benmage has disappeared. I know he's blaming the /in-vitational game for taking up his time, but the game really wasn't that much of a time constraint, and it got shut down. Two days ago. The fallout shouldn't be absorbing all of his time, and he doesn't appear to be in any other games. In other words, he should be posting. And he's not.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Benmage

While I do agree that he has been quiet since his attempt at policy lynching Lowell, I would hardly qualify 2-3 days of abyssmal posting as being disappeared. I know that when I have a train of thought on a player that gets abolished, I will sometimes take a few days to just slink back and reevaluate a new prospect. Not everyone is aggressive every single time they post, especially after one of their ideas was just shot down.

It doesn't surprise me at all that Stef would attach himself to that wagon though, I just detest that all he had to add was his approval.

[Wraith]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Benmage

I approve of this service/product.

Vote: Benmage

Hang on a moment there, you're not getting away under the radar. Why do you want to lynch Benmage? (If you mentioned it in an earlier post I probably haven't seen it yet)

[Tazaro]

First attemptt at phone msging huzzah, this is my 4th game not counting the invitational fiasco

Why would you do this by phone messaging?

[Toogeloo]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Benmage

I approve of this service/product.

Vote: Benmage

Hang on a moment there, you're not getting away under the radar. Why do you want to lynch Benmage? (If you mentioned it in an earlier post I probably haven't seen it yet)

Stef has been mentioning that he doesn't like policy lynches and was hating on Benmage for it.

[Tazaro]

I, for one, see nothing wrong with policy lynches on the first day. Especially in a large game.

[CCARaven4]

Policy lynches on D1 don't work because we're not left with much for the next day. Also, we should probably lynch a more active person because that will give us more information to work off of for 'tomorrow'. Lynching a semi-lurker won't help us much unless we're sure they're lurker-scum.

[Toogeloo]

Policy lynches on D1 don't work because we're not left with much for the next day. Also, we should probably lynch a more active person because that will give us more information to work off of for 'tomorrow'. Lynching a semi-lurker won't help us much unless we're sure they're lurker-scum.

I disagree with multiple parts of this.

First off, policy lynching on Day 1 is probably the only time in the game where it will ever successfully happen, but it has to be done once we have established certain lines in the sand, and we have an idea of who's defending who, who is attacking who, and who has been on lynches. While the lynch iteself doesn't give any information for Day 2, it does assist in Night Action choices which directly correlate to how Day 2 also unfolds. Also, tendecy-ally (mmm... new word) speaking, as uninformed as town is on Day 1 is anyways, our first lynch tends to be a crap shoot anyways. Policy Lynches also give some minor information as to who suggested it, who was against it, and who jumps on with little reasoning, which is also information to help us move forward.

So while we don't gain as much information from a Policy Lynch, we certainly aren't left with nothing to work with on the next day. Asking our Vig or Scanner to take care of it is more of a waste of a Vig shot or Scan.


I also disagree with lynch active people instead of semi-lurkers. Active people are more prone to screw up in the long run, whereas semi-lurkish to inactive people are more likely to have an air of WIFOM about them and can cause issues down the line if they are town and not as participative.

[Benmage]

So a little catchup:

I really didn't like any of Charlie's posts thus far. He has had almost nothing to say on the case against him, which has been based mainly on the fact that he has nothing to say! If he had more content or came up with a good read that we hadn't seen before, then we might have a reason to take votes off him, but as of now, there's nothing that's showing me that's he's not anti-town.

So your vote is more of a pressure vote...waiting for him to do something worth wild? Based on his lack of content and laissez faire attitude regarding people voting him? Am I correct in that assumption?

@Benmage: No, the tubby vote was a vote for him actively lurking. Far from a policy lynch, I'm sure you'll agree.

No. I won't agree. One potential main component behind a policy lynch is a player who is actively lurking.

****Define for me what you think a policy lynch is based off. (**Hint Hint** it isn't just because you don't like someone or think they're ugly, it has reasons)

In conjunction with this, tell me why you think I was voting Lowell and why you believe I used the word “policy lynch”.

Sure, although the town is in a better situation because we don't have to deal with his dilemma. Again in lylo and he lives what do you do?

Fail. The town is not in a better situation. If he is a townie the town is down two townies with no reads but yeah, sure, if it ends up in lylo he won't be there to screw things up. Are you kidding me? Policy lynches are horrible ideas and horribly anti-town. .

Tell me the proper time to lynch someone who is scummy, but excused because "thats just how they play".

Speaking of which, BM... again... get an Avatar please >_>

I’ve been around a long time. Heard this before. If nothings happened yet, nothings going to change. I had a middle finger avatar that lasted less than a day before being requested to change. To reiterate I’m not getting an avatar.

Also, your defense of BM is noted.

Explain what you mean here? Allow me to inquire a little, but please do go deeper. Is defending someone else/answer questions or statements involving/revolving around other people scummy?

1) Do I really have to defend myself at every point thrown at me?

Uhhhhh absolutely.

(Post 266 makes me note that I need to iso Anon)

By the time Wraith finishes these iso’s the first reads will be outdated. I really find when people try and iso everyone this early its often meaningless and little inquiry is found or followed up on. Its like “oh hey look at all the work I’m doing look how town I am”…that said I often see it from novice townies.

Benmage: You're next at ISOing. I can see why Anon voted for you, and your gameplay makes me wonder about you. Get an avatar; I mean, should I assume you don't have time to get one? I'll read your posts later.

Not happening.

It's spelled Tazaro. I did a more casual look over Benmage's posts and others' posts because I wanted to catch up; I have to focus more precisely on posts, but I saw Anon's general gist about his suspicion.

Explain in your own words this "general gist" about suspicion.

He initially tried to push a very scummy policy lynch on Lowell for reasons that do not benefit the town in the least bit.

This is an inaccurate statement.

Let me ask you something. Do you value meta at all? Do you ever use it in supplementing cases or gut reads or even defense of players?

Since his policy lynching attempt has all but failed, Benmage has disappeared. I know he's blaming the /in-vitational game for taking up his time, but the game really wasn't that much of a time constraint, and it got shut down. Two days ago. The fallout shouldn't be absorbing all of his time, and he doesn't appear to be in any other games. In other words, he should be posting. And he's not.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Benmage

Disappeared is such an exaggeration. People get consumed elsewhere. In life, in other games. A few days is nothing. There are also way worse non-contributors than myself. This looks like a pathetic attempt at tossing a vote my way. Again, you love the misstatements for I am in several other games. Did you even bother to look, because it should've been soooo easy to see this. But you just like to make baseless statements to make your points sound better. It’s quite the fallacy.

It doesn't surprise me at all that Stef would attach himself to that wagon though, I just detest that all he had to add was his approval.

QFT unexplained votes read like scum wagoning.

First attemptt at phone msging huzzah, this is my 4th game not counting the invitational fiasco

Why would you do this by phone messaging?

Because I have the new sprint HTC EVO and it rocks...plus I laughed at the obvious lie by Agar.


I've read a little on my phone, but that was my first post.

Policy lynches on D1 don't work because we're not left with much for the next day. Also, we should probably lynch a more active person because that will give us more information to work off of for 'tomorrow'. Lynching a semi-lurker won't help us much unless we're sure they're lurker-scum.

Thats like saying all 13 pages of today thus far are meaningless....Bullllshitttt

The lynch flip will mean something. The way the wagon forms/agreed upon/not agreed upon/who votes it/who doesn't....the NK's.

There would be ample information.

Post 311, what can I say…QFT

[Benmage]

@Agar what do you think of Wraith's vote on Lowell?

@Agar what do you think of Anon?

[Benmage]

@Agar what do you think of the other players saying Policy lynches D1 are the best time for one. And or would be for a policy lynch.

[Tazaro]

It's spelled Tazaro. I did a more casual look over Benmage's posts and others' posts because I wanted to catch up; I have to focus more precisely on posts, but I saw Anon's general gist about his suspicion.

Explain in your own words this "general gist" about suspicion.

Anon's point is that you voted for Lowell for a bogus reason. It's bogus to vote someone for something they do when they are town. Scum are more likely to vote for bogus reasons.

[Tazaro]

^Without using the word "bogus," Lowell's null-tell lack of contribution is no cause for vote.

[Tazaro]

Policy lynches on D1 don't work because we're not left with much for the next day. Also, we should probably lynch a more active person because that will give us more information to work off of for 'tomorrow'. Lynching a semi-lurker won't help us much unless we're sure they're lurker-scum.

I think you raise a valid point against policy lynches.

[Benmage]

^Without using the word "bogus," Lowell's null-tell lack of contribution is no cause for vote.

Zzzzzz I feel like a broken record here . When would be the ideal time to lynch Lowell, or someone who plays scummy throughout a game, but is excused for it because thats just how they play regardless of alignment. Tell me when?

[Benmage]

Policy lynches on D1 don't work because we're not left with much for the next day. Also, we should probably lynch a more active person because that will give us more information to work off of for 'tomorrow'. Lynching a semi-lurker won't help us much unless we're sure they're lurker-scum.

I think you raise a valid point against policy lynches.

What do you think about the points in post 311 than?

[Tazaro]

^Without using the word "bogus," Lowell's null-tell lack of contribution is no cause for vote.

Zzzzzz I feel like a broken record here . When would be the ideal time to lynch Lowell, or someone who plays scummy throughout a game, but is excused for it because thats just how they play regardless of alignment. Tell me when?

I think both sides of the policy lynch discussion have valid points. But I don't see very many people eager to lynch Lowell right now. I'm thinking we're smart enough to figure out when to do so if he doesn't shape up.

[Benmage]

^Without using the word "bogus," Lowell's null-tell lack of contribution is no cause for vote.

Zzzzzz I feel like a broken record here . When would be the ideal time to lynch Lowell, or someone who plays scummy throughout a game, but is excused for it because thats just how they play regardless of alignment. Tell me when?

I think both sides of the policy lynch discussion have valid points. But I don't see very many people eager to lynch Lowell right now. I'm thinking we're smart enough to figure out when to do so if he doesn't shape up.

*headdesk* *headdesK* *headdesk* Assume for a minute, he doesn't shape up. When would your ideal time be or of been to lynch him.

[Tazaro]

Maybe in the event that there's a day in which there's a risk of a no lynch. Other than that, I wouldn't mind doing it on day one if everyone else agreed.

[Tazaro]

^So basically we're just not going to lynch him if nothing changes today. Look at the vote count. We're so disorganized.

[Wraith]

^Without using the word "bogus," Lowell's null-tell lack of contribution is no cause for vote.

I'm guessing this is also aimed at me, somewhat. It's not his lack of contribution that concerns me (I often lurk during the first few pages in a game), it's the fact that he's voting for people with absolutely no reasoning and attempting to make it appear as a "reckless townie vote." If you want to see bogus votes, look at Lowell's voting record.

That fact that you seem to be constantly defending Lowell is increasing by suspicion of a Lowell/Tazaro scumteam.

On Benmage's avatar, I personally don't mind. Being the only person in the topic with no avatar makes his absence of an avatar an image to associate with him in itself.