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Post #10 (isolation #0) » Sun Mar 29, 2015 7:12 am
Postby Tammy »
##vote: shadoweh
Hi bb
Also, I don't yet really understand the mechanics, but Oversoul told me to town it up, so I can get a boon. I'm town, I put my tokens to good use, vote me for boon 2015.
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Post #24 (isolation #3) » Sun Mar 29, 2015 7:33 am
Postby Tammy »
I don't need to fish for town reads. It's my thing ^_^
I read the rules, not the pms though, so don't mind me. Not that I'd have probably caught it anyway, I rarely understand rules until they're in action.
In post 23, Cheetory6 wrote:Tammy. I'm going to assume you're fishing for townreads if you keep making posts giving the impression that you haven't read the rules. If you're town, go read the rules. Kthnx.
@Titus, how will scum know if we've baned Alquin unless they claim? We don't necessarily have to have anyone claim roles during minor day and we don't necessarily have to lynch the person we bane on MajD1.
Alquin's sign is in the first post. If we bane someone who has a candle sign, and they die then we basically did scum's job for them as Alquin cannot be protected.
We shiuld use bane as a verifier. If someone says they matched sign, the bane verifies.
If you're actually serious about ermigerds we should not out anyones sign because then scum will know who they can kill, then I'd suggest stopping with this line of discussion because I imagine any responses or discussion this will provoke will narrow down people's signs.
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Post #45 (isolation #8) » Sun Mar 29, 2015 7:58 am
Postby Tammy »
In post 27, Zar wrote:Gotta keep in character, I guess? ##
Vote: tammy
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btw, my
circlejerk
team thinks espy is the most likely player to have waged scum tokens into this setup... regfan met him irl and apparently he couldn't stop talking about how much he loves being scum and all these evil mustache twirling plans he had in mind for future scum games, so...
Hi zar!
I just realized your team name has a flaw. While empire is a member of westeros, he hasn't actually played a game there. That should be rectified before team mafia is done with, so at least you'll have some truth in advertising.
In post 23, Cheetory6 wrote:Tammy. I'm going to assume you're fishing for townreads if you keep making posts giving the impression that you haven't read the rules. If you're town, go read the rules. Kthnx.
@Titus, how will scum know if we've baned Alquin unless they claim? We don't necessarily have to have anyone claim roles during minor day and we don't necessarily have to lynch the person we bane on MajD1.
Alquin's sign is in the first post. If we bane someone who has a candle sign, and they die then we basically did scum's job for them as Alquin cannot be protected.
We shiuld use bane as a verifier. If someone says they matched sign, the bane verifies.
If you're actually serious about ermigerds we should not out anyones sign because then scum will know who they can kill, then I'd suggest stopping with this line of discussion because I imagine any responses or discussion this will provoke will narrow down people's signs.
Not sure how talking about the pros and cons narrows down people's signs...
Talking about pros and cons does not. However, that is not only what you're doing. You've brought in the Alcuin and the candle discussion to the mix.
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Post #95 (isolation #15) » Sun Mar 29, 2015 10:51 am
Postby Tammy »
I'm confused what Titus is going on about and now that I see Alquin is actually a person in the game, I'm more interested in her stopping that line of discussion.
We talked about some things, but I don't understand things when just explained to me. I tend to have to see how it's working in motion to understand complicated mechanics.
Hopefully by about page 10, I'll stop bumbling about like an idiot.
In post 100, DeasVail wrote:If I didn't care way too much about what people thought of me, I'd be bumbling like an idiot too!
My understanding is that Titus is concerned about Alquin being important because he limits the number of unmakes/kill attempts the scum can make. I might be missing something, but I'm not super scared about bane possibly revealing Alquin, nor do I see any super good reason why we can't discuss it as long as Alquin doesn't stand on top of a mountain shouting out his name or something.
PEdit: That's his current avatar and I didn't know how to find the other one. Plus, inner cuteness and all that jazz.
This, which is why I am confused by Tammy and Cheetory's posts.
I have deduced the following:
1) baning gives us limited information while limiting the number of players scum have to search through thus eventually increasing KPN.
2) Two doctors reduces KPN but does not confirm which if any were blocked. This reduces KPN but info as well.
3) The game without signs is incredibly townsided, otherwise KPN being so high is off.
Given 1 and 2, two docs no baning seems to be the way to go. No information given and multiple protections in the early game are goid.
I don't know what's confusing abut me not wanting you to keep talking about Alcuin and the candle stuff.
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Post #107 (isolation #19) » Sun Mar 29, 2015 2:16 pm
Postby Tammy »
In post 100, DeasVail wrote:If I didn't care way too much about what people thought of me, I'd be bumbling like an idiot too!
My understanding is that Titus is concerned about Alquin being important because he limits the number of unmakes/kill attempts the scum can make. I might be missing something, but I'm not super scared about bane possibly revealing Alquin, nor do I see any super good reason why we can't discuss it as long as Alquin doesn't stand on top of a mountain shouting out his name or something.
PEdit: That's his current avatar and I didn't know how to find the other one. Plus, inner cuteness and all that jazz.
Well I mean I doubt we can bane Alcuin anyway. The discussion itself narrows down enough between role and sign, and it's baffling to me that someone arguing against baning because it outs ones sign and does scum's job for them is actively promoting a conversation that does that very thing.
It keeps autocorrecting Alcuin. I know we're not talking about the medieval English guy.
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Post #108 (isolation #20) » Sun Mar 29, 2015 2:27 pm
Postby Tammy »
Also, Alcuin's job is not to act scummy and anyone who acts scummy just to avoid a nightkill is doing it wrong. It's no different than any other pr.
Also I doubt very seriously kills are going to go by oh we think he's alcuin, let's get him. That would be pretty poor play anyway that probably wouldn't net scum very much reward. Considering we're all playing as a team, I'd imagine the threat of the team as a whole is going to play into night kill choices at a pretty decent level.
And that's the last thing I'll say about Alcuin though!
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Post #116 (isolation #22) » Sun Mar 29, 2015 4:23 pm
Postby Tammy »
So, Trojan horse thinks we should either no bane (but that also means no boon), try to hit scum with bane, or have a vanilla townie volunteer to be banned so we don't accidentally bane a pr.
We're also leaning to choice two. Still waiting to hear from others.
In post 27, Zar wrote:Gotta keep in character, I guess? ##
Vote: tammy
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btw, my
circlejerk
team thinks espy is the most likely player to have waged scum tokens into this setup... regfan met him irl and apparently he couldn't stop talking about how much he loves being scum and all these evil mustache twirling plans he had in mind for future scum games, so...
Hi zar!
I just realized your team name has a flaw. While empire is a member of westeros, he hasn't actually played a game there. That should be rectified before team mafia is done with, so at least you'll have some truth in advertising.
Hi Tammy! I'm curious though. How come you addressed me but had nothing on my team's shared collective wisdom regarding espeonage?
I also kinda want to pick
CDB
's brain (or maybe your team's collective brain), about the things you've guys talked about. Mostly, why did you make a post saying you guys discussed theory but didn't make mention of any theory?
I'm interested in espy's response to that first.
My team mates talked about how best to use my role, and the conversation has been about that.
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Post #124 (isolation #25) » Sun Mar 29, 2015 4:52 pm
Postby Tammy »
I don't get the question or the tone.
What do you think I'm supposed to know? You like scum. Empire and Regfan like town. Why wouldn't I think you could have used a token or two to attempt to get scum. There were five tokens. Why do you think I'd know how you guys decided to work them out.
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Post #127 (isolation #26) » Sun Mar 29, 2015 4:59 pm
Postby Tammy »
I don't know how their team used tokens. I could see zar trying to get scum as he likes it. I don't get the response to that from him. I could see him saying, no we gave all the tokens to REGFAN and empire so they could get town. What doesn't make sense is the tone. The um and I should know how they would use it. It makes it weirder that he's the one who opened the door to token speculation when talking about espy.
I mean we got our token back from gamr selection so we had all five to use for side selection.
At the moment I'm trying to figure out the mechanics of the game and am submitting my dissertation tomorrow so I'm a bit distracted.
I would also like to see eespy's response or approach first. I could see him trying to get scum, but I can also see ZAR trying to get scum, so.
Could you see Titus trying to get scum?
Yeah, probably.
I hadn't actually thought of it but when we were doling out tokens to try to get town roles, rhinox suggested that a good number of people would probably be using tokens to try to draw scum, in part because you have a better chance at winning team mafia with scum roles.
I've thought about a couple people who might have done that but right now it's more a rolling it around and will deal with it more when I have a better grasp of the mechanics and have submitted my dissertation and scheduled the defense and then can breathe.
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Post #131 (isolation #28) » Sun Mar 29, 2015 5:04 pm
Postby Tammy »
In post 128, Zar wrote:because Empire and Regfan prefer being town over anything, whereas if you look-up my remakrs to Regfan from last team Mafia in the Scummies post-game, you'd notice I mentioned I wouldn't go after a scumslot?
Anyway, I don't think this line of conversation is going to take us anywhere.
Oh I mean I know they prefer town.
Looking up last scummies would require a bit of research time I don't have right now.
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Post #136 (isolation #29) » Sun Mar 29, 2015 5:24 pm
Postby Tammy »
Ffery - what do you think of titus though? I'm not going to do much in the way of reads or anything until tomorrow at the earliest, but I'm reminded of serum and steel and the debate day one on removing metal from people. Her approach to people with different viewpoints is rather different, which makes me have an early warm feeling for her. Though I do have moments where I wonder if the candle and Alcuin business was an attempt to get them outed. I'm probably overthinking that though.
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Post #137 (isolation #30) » Sun Mar 29, 2015 5:27 pm
Postby Tammy »
Okay so Trojan horse thinks we should just bane the scummiest player, lynch that player in major day, that way we get the boon and the bane really doesn't harm much.
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Post #186 (isolation #34) » Mon Mar 30, 2015 11:16 am
Postby Tammy »
In post 148, Titus wrote:@CDB, I am rather interested in 129 as well. If Bane votes are meant to be who is the scummiest, why should the baned player get protection? Wouldn't it be better not to bane?
@Tammy/Fferylt, Pretty sure I have lost this argument on bane/not bane. I still think baning is a mistake but being stubborn will just mean my voice is lost in the process or unintentional fishing to those who cannot see theory as theory.
Theory talk is one thing, but when you start applying it to particulars of the game, people's responses to those particulars narrow down people's signs and who is or isn't alcuin.
Talk about the pros and cons to banking all you want, I just want you to leave alcuin and the candle talk out of it.
Deas wrote:Cheetory, can you please explain your current opinions on Tammy and Marquis?
Haven't really seen enough from Marquis's first four posts to form much of an opinion on him, but I don't think him 'shitposting' during earlygame D1 seems out of character for him based on my experience with him.
Was feeling a little wary of Tammy because it seemed like she could have been pretending to not understand things to fake a lack of understanding of the scum mechanics for townpoints, but her later posts have been better.
Heh.
I'm not even sure I'd have tried that approach as scum. Although maybe actually, most people know I rarely read the rules. Though I think my approach would more be akin to me walking my own self to the gallows, putting my neck in the noose, closing my eyes and awaiting the inevitable. I can fool some of the people here some of the time, but in a team atmosphere where I can't directly try to manipulate them? Might as well stick me up against faraday.
I think I like this from you though. It is kind of an easy thing to be worried about, but fake dumb tells are something I look out for too, so I can see someone being concerned about that if you're unfamiliar with me. I like that you reevaluated without really saying anything as I think pushing a fake dumb tell thing would be easy to make you look busy.
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Post #192 (isolation #37) » Mon Mar 30, 2015 11:48 am
Postby Tammy »
Ah, okay.
I'm not going to put any energy in actually reading people until tomorrow. I do think I'm finally grasping the mechanics, or at least fooling myself into thinking that. My team has a couple reads, but I'll start dealing with that tomorrow. I have to turn in the finalized version of my dissertation to my committee tonight, so I'm preserving brain power and more people need to check in.
Titus - I wouldn't bet that people wouldn't prefer scum. Due to the nature of scoring, being scum actually gives you a higher chance of winning team mafia, and I'm sure people figured that in in addition to some crazy people just preferring scum anyway. I put a double negative there, see why I need to preserve brain power?
Also shadoweh I gave you a hug and was rebuffed. I won't cry about it though.
Maybe I will
I'm still mapping out the choice thing, but is it two protections on the same night? I was under the impression it wasn't.
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Post #201 (isolation #38) » Mon Mar 30, 2015 12:39 pm
Postby Tammy »
In post 200, Shadoweh wrote:It's really simple, protection doesn't work very accurately. It's better to have less effective protection that gives information then it is to have more effective protection that might not do anything at all. At least that's my opinion.
Tammy: Your start reminds me of Fantasy Camp and I'm avoiding you. Want to talk about how town is colored blue? That could be fun..
Bulbasaur: I think my reasoning is obvious. Why do you care?
Um it's nothing like fantasy camp!
Though I was about to tell you town was silver, but then just looked and you're right it's blue!
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Post #205 (isolation #41) » Mon Mar 30, 2015 12:50 pm
Postby Tammy »
That doesn't make any sense. Am I awkward jokey here or lasses fairie? LLD can't read me but shrug. I mean if I were awkward jokey there, in order to remind you of it here, I'd have to be awkward jokey, but you're saying I'm different but the same? And if you think I'm scummy and someone else on your team thinks I am too, why are you avoiding me and not calling me out for being the obvious scum bag I am?
Wouldn't that make more sense?
Yes, I spent town tokens for here, said so in my first post. Along with my alignment, you're welcome. Aren't you happy when I make things so easy. Now you're free to tell me why anything I've done is scummy because I'm all ears.
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Post #208 (isolation #42) » Mon Mar 30, 2015 1:05 pm
Postby Tammy »
Yeah, I know, and those people should be able to tell you I'm hilariously toen by now.
I don't know what you're referring to as tree stump, but I don't understand why if you're worried about me, even if you don't want to mostly notlynch me, you aren't yelling at me and are instead avoiding me. Id feel much better about your alignment if you did.
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Post #210 (isolation #44) » Mon Mar 30, 2015 1:12 pm
Postby Tammy »
In post 207, Shadoweh wrote:Tammy have you considered that the mere mention of an unsure glance in your direction doesn't mean I want to not!lynch you immediately? There are like seven people who are going to be able to give accurate reads on you over time, one of which just became a treestump.
But this doesn't get to the heart of the issue. Why are you avoiding me if you're concerned about me. You're trying to turn it around on me, when I was wondering why you were avoiding me in the first place.
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Post #214 (isolation #45) » Mon Mar 30, 2015 1:36 pm
Postby Tammy »
Why don't you want to discuss them?
In serum and steel you had absolutley no problem talking about the mechanics of the game, which is what I presume you mean by what you don't want to talk about, because I can't imagine you not wanting to talk about why Im suspicious.
I've been town since my first post, but to be fair, what I've done right now is something I could easily do as scum, and I think you know that. But I really would like to talk about the fantasy camp comparison. Because in that game I was scum, I purposefully designed my opening in part to a joke I'd planned before I got my role pm and in part to try to get nacho to town read me. I don't recall being especially jokey in this game. Light hearted sure, but it's kinda hard to be jokey when you're confused about the setup. So was I faking being confused about the setup? Because that's an accusation I could understand, though might be a little insulted by
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Post #217 (isolation #46) » Mon Mar 30, 2015 1:47 pm
Postby Tammy »
For about five seconds. And if it were at any other time, I'd have probably considered it and taken as a challenge to try to fool the various teams even if I think I couldnt. With what's going on in my life right now, nope, wouldn't have the energy for it.
In post 231, Tammy wrote:I mean I totally get no matter what empire is going to trash me in your pt, but I don't see how that's relevant to the game.
Well, could you explain your claim out of the blue? Would that be more relevant?
I'm sorry did you ask me a question? I don't remember dodging a question you asked.
I, do, remember having a conversation you skipped over to let me know that I'm getting trashed in your pt when I asked you if you were discussing the game.
In post 231, Tammy wrote:I mean I totally get no matter what empire is going to trash me in your pt, but I don't see how that's relevant to the game.
Well, could you explain your claim out of the blue? Would that be more relevant?
I'm sorry did you ask me a question? I don't remember dodging a question you asked.
I, do, remember having a conversation you skipped over to let me know that I'm getting trashed in your pt when I asked you if you were discussing the game.
But Mina really wants that explanation and it's part of her comments in the discussion we actually have that you think we don't!