Newbie 588 - Game Over!

[The World No.1 Noob]

lol i didn't disappear, im just watching XD, the mafias know who each other are right? cos some ppl have been cooperating with each other quite well

[The World No.1 Noob]

wait can the none noobs in this game be mafia too?

[The World No.1 Noob]

lol i didn't disappear, im just watching XD, the mafias know who each other are right? cos some ppl have been cooperating with each other quite well

who has? i'm sorry if it seems like i'm hoppy its just well it was my first vote ever and i was excited but then realized its to early for me to make these moves other people look more suspisious than roland but he did scare me a litle...
so whos the scumiest to me
1. cat
2. mafiamurkrow(i also h8 poke mon lol)
3. goborage
4. roland
this is all just speculation and since roland is so far down the list i unvoted him he might just be on to something...

well its that rolandofthewhite and camisade seem to be agreeing with each other a bit, but they're the too none noobs in this game.

[The World No.1 Noob]

o btw when does it go into the night phrase?

[The World No.1 Noob]

FoS: Dave and The World No.1 Noob

for blatantly lurking. We need discussion or we'll never catch the mafia. I would like to hear who they find suspicious and why.

Until then, I am quite happy with my vote on Mafiamurkrow.

I already told u guys who im suspicious off...

[The World No.1 Noob]

I might be grabbing at thin air but look at this: Cat immediately changes his vote after Roland makes his vote, maybe he's trying to kill a civilian? And the a couple of posts later he unvotes again maybe he's gotten told by the pro that it'll look suspicous?

Hello, everyone.

Vote: goborage

. WE DEMAND BLOOD.

Hey folks. <b>vote: no lynch</b> Can't we all get along?

It's [ and ] you need around tags.

Unvote
Vote: Goborage

Just for the fail

Unvote

I'm tired and going to sleep. I will make further random accusations or actually play seriously tomorrow, when I'm awake.

[The World No.1 Noob]

wait rolandof, can u expland on the bandwagon thing? y would a mafia kill its own wouldn't that mean he'll have one less political ally? and I how come Mafiamurkrow hasn't made a post in a while?

[The World No.1 Noob]

zomg we're getting nowhere...

[The World No.1 Noob]

april 19th, well thats not too bad we still got 10 days to gather as much info as we can.

[The World No.1 Noob]

I agree with that, I'm not actually 100% sure she's mafia because her replies are too mafiaish, wouldn't a real mafia have thought up a better plan? But as camisade said her attitude is anti townie and its better to kill her to make things easier for the townies

vote: Mafiamurkrow

Fixed - Vel

[The World No.1 Noob]

ummm how to i make it bold?

[The World No.1 Noob]

I'm simple civilian, not doctor or investigator.

[The World No.1 Noob]

o, sry

[The World No.1 Noob]

zomg we lynched a townie and its mostly my fault,

The World No.1 Noob - hammers mafiamurkrow without allowing a role-claim. Claims townie even though he isn't the one under suspicion - over-defensive.

I thought he was asking me for a role claim, cos my post was right above his.

[The World No.1 Noob]

No nightkill: I've read a game before where a lone Mafia claimed doctor and chose to forgo night killing and bluffed by saying that he protected someone. So I'm guessing Mafia is allowed to do that, but maybe it varies from mod to mod. I'm not sure

How would that work? wouldn't the real doctor claim that he's doctor too? and so the town would lynch one of them and if that person isn't mafia then the next round mafia would get lynched.

[The World No.1 Noob]

#1 noob I'd say its a doctor in this game and they won't talk out now because thats just a targeting system for the mafia to kill him/her it just screams kill me doesn't it?

but the aim of the game isn't to not get killed, its to lynch the mafia and you'll win if the town lynches the mafia whether you're dead or alive, so if you've contradicted the mafia on being the doctor and you get killed whether by mafia or by lynch the and you're revealed as doctor then everyone will know who ever claimed to be doctor was lying and obviously the mafia. And plus if you make a contradictory with a mafia on who's doctor then it won't be likely for you to get killed by mafia because either you or the mafia will be lynched, if you get lynched first then its the doctor for 1 mafia (is this worth it? I'm not sure I am noob like you said lol but I do like to believe I have logical reasoning), but if the mafia gets lynched first then you can save yourself at night.

o and btw whats a mafia roleblocker?

[The World No.1 Noob]

o and btw again why is it sane doc and sane cop? are there insane doc and insave cops?

[The World No.1 Noob]

lol, I'm not claiming doc, I was just thinking about the senario given earlier and how it would be good or bad for townie. Grum understood most of what I was saying but he didn't take into account the chance that mafia might get lynched first and then doctor can save himself at night so he doesn't get killed. Taking that into consideration then the mafia claiming doc would have been a really bad move on the mafias' behalf.

[The World No.1 Noob]

But anyways back to our game,...

[The World No.1 Noob]

I agree with Grum, Goborage you're being too aggressive and please explain your reasoning because I wasn't accusing anyone of being doc, I was talking about an example that camisade made earlier. But its irrelevant to our game so now that we've got it sorted out we can move on.

[The World No.1 Noob]

umm, what's Fos and FoSs and FOS?

[The World No.1 Noob]

omg, I'm so lost, where did all this info come from?

[The World No.1 Noob]

Goborage, I'll post my list up as soon as I have an idea of who I'm suspicous of.

[The World No.1 Noob]

I wish to apologize for my previous behavior. I'm sorry.

wow quick to apologize, not band wagoning or anything but that's mafiaish

[The World No.1 Noob]

Ok, here's my list in order of most to least suspicous:

Camiade
Abstract Actuary
Dave
Grum

The others don't seem suspicous at all so like its kinda pointless putting them in order.

[The World No.1 Noob]

actually i change my mind, here's the list again

Abstract Actuary
Grum
Camisade
Dave

[The World No.1 Noob]

wait no, ahh can I just say that I just suspect these 4 people? because I'm really having a hard time putting them in order

Abstract Actuary, Grum, Camisade, Dave

[The World No.1 Noob]

Well for Dave I Dave I agree with RTW's statement earlier - He seems to be popping in when he's needed and then disappearing. Also, a really exuberant reaction (e.g. "Awesome") to something that is beneficial to the town (such as a Mafia lynch or no kill at night) is sometimes an example of Mafia trying to act like townspeople, especially among new people who don't know any better. Then again, he wasn't on the Mafiamurkrow wagon (or any wagon), which makes me wonder if he's trying to fade into the background.

For Grum well its really only because of this post here

i thinks hes saying that if mafia claim doc and the doc claims doc then they will both be targeted by town for lynching and if the doc shows up as doc when lynched then the fake is shown as just that... fake. then town lynches the fake. he then asks is it worth the docs death for one mafias or is it not.
the answer is usually no...
the evidence is clear last night the doc saved some one for all you know he/she saved you... what your asking makes you a likely target however as it seems your interest in the doc is only because you might be it.
if thats the case you have already made yourself clear as a doc yourself wondering if you should reveal yourself as doc... but then if you claim it some one else might say their the doc... so you best hope your right about that question... why cuz you practically just did state it... IMO anyways correct me if I'm wrong...

The first bit was fine but the second half of the post came out of know where (wait does anyone else think that I was hinting at myself being doc at all) I wasn't at all hinting at myself being a doctor, but then again he might just be trying to catch mafia so I'm not overly suspicous.

AA because of the incident earlier of what goborage noticed that he made a whole wall of quotes that pointed towards marf being suspicous but didn't vote for her himself and then later said he wasn't suspicous of her at all.

Camisade I got to keep reading, he's just seems really smart and experienced which is partially the reason I voted with him in the first day, (I do still have to defend his vote because I think its not totally illogical to lynch someone who's not helping to catch mafia and causing the rest of the town to be confused) but he hasn't helped to catch mafia himself and he's been confusing us in a very suttle way. As i said I need to re-read because the reasoning I have on Camisade is totally random.

[The World No.1 Noob]

Well all I can say is I really did think that he was asking for my role claim. And to the hammer, well I didn't even know what a hammer was when I voted but as I say I do still defend Camisade's vote on Maf, at the time it was the reasonable thing to do. But I guess it really goes down to if you believe me or not because I do admit that however you look at it I did do something wrong.

[The World No.1 Noob]

Sry, its because I voted for Maf on the reasons that he gave and I find those reasons quite acceptable.

[The World No.1 Noob]

Abstract Actuary wrote:
Seems like it could be scum saying "I'm not going to name any names as to avoid leaving any more trail."


This is what I said. The key words are "could be"

I really find this explanation quite weak

[The World No.1 Noob]

goborage wrote:
Or if scum wanted to make themselves look pro-town they would rush to be the first one to point it out.

Ummm, but then anything can be reasoned that way, if townie or mafia does something pro-town you can just say that they want to make themselves look pro town, so I don't think we can use that as a reason against AA.

[The World No.1 Noob]

The World No.1 Noob wrote:
Quote:

Abstract Actuary wrote:
Seems like it could be scum saying "I'm not going to name any names as to avoid leaving any more trail."


This is what I said. The key words are "could be"


I really find this explanation quite weak


In your own words and with your own opinion:

What am I trying to explain?
Is it something that needs to be explained? And why?
What do you find weak about it? Do you think that the words "could be" are me implying that this quote makes her scum?
Have you read the followup conversations and posts about the subject?
Why did you choose to ignore them when addressing this quote?
Do you find the entire defense satisfactory? Why or why not?
Do you think that that notorious D1 post makes me more likely to be scum or town? And Why?
Do you think that my defense of that post makes me more likely to be town or scum? And Why?
What is your overall read on me?

Wow long list of questions OK I'll do my best to answer them

1. You're trying to explain that you weren't accusing Maf or anything
2. Yes because it important to the game to clear yourself whether you're townie or mafia
3. Yea I find the "could be" explanation very weak.
4. Yes I did
5. Ignore? do you mean why I didn't include it as part of the post in a big quote? Because your explanation was based on that first sentence, it explained what you thought you were saying to everyone.
6. No, not that explanation (but some of your other actions do really seem pro-town so I'm not sure about you)
7. Please explain what a D1 post is
8. On that single defense you're mafia because its just totally misleading, you make your argument which seems to be well justified ONLY IF we understood that "Seems like it could be scum saying "I'm not going to name any names as to avoid leaving any more trail."" and the "could be" in it means that you're only giving out a possibility not an opinion.
9. Overall read on you = not sure (thats why I haven't voted)

[The World No.1 Noob]

The World No.1 Noob wrote:

9. Overall read on you = not sure (thats why I haven't voted)


Didn't you just say on the last page he was one of your most suspicious? How has this changed?

It hasn't he is still one of my most suspicous, but then I have 4 most suspicous people on my list because I wasn't sure of the order. Sure I'm suspicous of him but that doesn't mean he's mafia, so until I have a very good reason to be sure that someone's mafia, I'm "not sure" about the person and won't vote. I've learned from by mistake on day 1.

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ahhh, goborage get ppl to talk. (I would do it but I don't know how) nobody's made any posts in ages.

[The World No.1 Noob]

I think I figured out why there was no NK. The scum were too inactive to send one in by the deadline.

You are being sarcastic right? I can't tell because this is typing no tone of voice to be suggestive.

[The World No.1 Noob]

camisade, in my opinion its odd for an experienced player to have the time to go on and say "lol" but nothing else.

[The World No.1 Noob]

hey guys I don't know if this is the case but people who got assigned scum wouldn't normally just leave right? so those two were probably townie right?

Staticstically, there is no normalized difference between a scum player abandoning a game and a town player abandoning a game. This is a null tell, so don't try to infer alignment from it.

[The World No.1 Noob]

what ICs?

[The World No.1 Noob]

o yes, so what happens when a game gets abandoned? (sorta like whats happening to this one)

[The World No.1 Noob]

Aye funny thing is that the two people I was least suspicous of left. OK I have a few questions for everyone:

Gobo: how many games of mafia are you playing? because I went back and read from the beginning and you've gone from pretty noob (like me) to hard out scum hunter with good use of all these jargons. An inconsistency in skill is still an inconsistency and I would like it explained.

Dave: how come you always seem to make a random post now and then but never really do anything?

Camisade: you're an IC (my newly learned mafia jargon XD) but havn't been doing much since day 1.

I've reread, and now my suspicions list have changed again. I've even drawn a diagram lol.

1. Dave - faded into the background, hasn't done anything basically, no information on him
2. Grum - highest level of suspicous activity
3.. Camisade - low level of scum hunting for an IC player, and now that I've experienced it a no NK seems to make things more difficult rather than easy.
4.. Goborage - low level of suspicous things said, but somehow in my diagram you're linked with everyone, i.e. you could be cooperating with them. Having fake arguments with Grum was one of the probabilities I explored.

And one question, if we get the doctor to claim do you guys think that it will make the game easier? We can just get the doctor to keep saving himself at night. But most of all it gives a wall we can put our backs on, knowing 1 player who defiantly isn't mafia would surely help. But doctor I'm not sure it is the wisest move so before the views of everybody are out don't claim.

[The World No.1 Noob]

ooooOOOOOO, doctor can't self save??? OMG...I don't have time to read wiki sorry.

[The World No.1 Noob]

wats WIFOM and wats EBWOP?

[The World No.1 Noob]

thx Gobo, I'll use that list next time you guys use an acronym instead of asking.

[The World No.1 Noob]

Great an active player! I'm not sure what to run off right now I may be unvoting but not untill I get some real info out of Gobo. Now that I'm seeing some real scum hunting we can get moving. I'll post back asap probably tomorrow. Good to have you Mokina, your looking to be the most useful player around!

Grum, a lot of people have their fingers pointed towards you right now, shouldn't you be explaining yourself?

Dave hasn't posted as usual, but the thing is if he was a scum that was lurking wouldn't he want to start posting when people are suspicous of him?

Official Vote Count

Abstract Actuary - 1 (goborage)

Grum - 2 (shaka!!, camisade)

The World No.1 Noob - 1 (Dave)
goborage - 1 (Grum)

Not Voting - 3 (Abstract Actuary, Mokina, The World No.1 Noob)

5 to Lynch

[The World No.1 Noob]

zzzzzzzzzzzz, activity levels gone down again. Well it is Friday I guess.

[The World No.1 Noob]

I don't have much to say to defend myself for my hammer, I can only admit it was a mistake. But why do you choose to ignore what's happened between the end of day 1 up to now? You seem only to post when someone asks you a question directly so I'm going to put everyone's suspicions about you into a question. Why have you been lurking and fading into the background? Why do you only seem to post enough to not get prodded?

[The World No.1 Noob]

I really don't think work or school is an excuse...I have to go to school

[The World No.1 Noob]

I hope he looks at this soon so he can actually defend himself,

mod can you prod Dave please

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[The World No.1 Noob]

I think he's purposely not posting to make it seem like he's actually away instead of lurking

[The World No.1 Noob]

is our mod here? its been 2 days since I asked for prod request

[The World No.1 Noob]

he's been prodded and he's picked up that prod, that means he's choosing not to post right?

I'm not as certain about #1's townness as you are Mokina. The biggest issue I have is that #1 never seemed to have issue with MM's play before the hammer vote. This may be read as an opportunistic.

The thing is in the first day I had no experience at all and I believed that you were supposed to keep things to yourself when you see something you don't like. I found out that it wasn't the way to go and you were supposed to voice your opinions. And I really had no idea what was going on and Camisade's argument made sense (and still does make sense) to me so I just followed it.

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And I'd like to hear from (lol couldn't resist) the two people standing in the middle, grum and camisade.

"I'll just keep opinions to myself till timing is right" - post 261, Grum I really don't think this is the way we should go right now. There practically no discussion going on at all

[The World No.1 Noob]

so what do we do in a situation like this? when a person has been prodded and the mod's told us that he's picked it up but he's just not posting?

[The World No.1 Noob]

If he's going to be replaced, I'd rather he not be killed. Perhaps his replacement will be more willing to contribute to the discussion. I'll unvote if it starts looking that way.

It's just that Vel-Rahn didn't seem like he was going to replace him. If Dave is still responding to prods without posting, I'm inclined to lynch him. He hasn't said anything protown this entire game.

I agree to this, but I won't vote yet. (would that be a hammer?, how many people needs to vote before it becomes a hammer?)

[The World No.1 Noob]

alright so he's just not posting, that to me saves me a lot of thinking,

vote: Dave

[The World No.1 Noob]

MOKINA? Oh no!!! *runs away*

you two have had a previous relationship?

[The World No.1 Noob]

I'm not a fan of the Dave lynch. I'd really like to see him replaced. I think lurker-lynches are way too easy for scum to get in on.

But he's not going to get replaced, because he's picked up the prodds but he's choosing not to post

Since you're around, let me ask you some questions:

- What do you think of my case on Grum? Do you think I'm right? Wrong?
- Are you voting Dave because of his lurking only, or is there another reason?
- Why the first half of your posts are very poorly written, and the later half
are very skillfully written?

1. I think Grum is inexperienced in both Mafia and possibly still quite young in real life? (no offense to you Grum) He speaks a bit like a child, (changes his mind easily and his order of thoughts are not entirely logical) and has lots of typos such as no spaces between two words in his posts, and letters switched around the wrong way...wow wait a minute (I'm gonna leave what I typed before to show my trail of thought), that type of typing mistake can only be made by an accomplished fast typer, so maybe he's faking his innocence? I really need to think more on that one.

2. Well he's picked up his prods, but he's not posting, as far as I can see we have no choice but to lynch him. If we give him immunity because he's not posting then if he was mafia he would kill someone every night and have us killing our own every day. If he wasn't he won't be helping us catch scum anyway. But tell me if you think you have a solution.

3. This is gonna sound really arrogant, I'm not an arrogant person please don't think I am. Well Mafia is a game of logic. I currently take sciences at high school, all subjects dependent on your logic, I like maths, dependent on your logic, I'm the captain of my chess team (chess is a logical game), I base my beliefs on things that are logical (so I'm atheist/agnostic). At first I was noob, but thats ok everyone's noob sometime, but with logic I quickly analyzed the way this game is played and went along with it.

Someone suggested a Dave, Gobo pair I think?

I'm not too sure, but I'm thinking about it, even just now Goborage doesn't want to have Dave lynched, he seems to have missed what the mod said but thats odd in my opinion for someone who's so 'pro-town'. And his attacks on Dave aren't half as strong as the scum hunting he's done on Grum, but again that can be explained because Grum actually posts stuff so he's got more to work on.

[The World No.1 Noob]

Unvote

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However, I've gotten a very strong town read on her other than this instance.

"her"...I'm a guy, a male, apart from Mokina everyone here is...

Beautiful. I completely missed that, but the post speaks volumes about Dave's strategy of "active lurking" in this game.

Yea that is a very good point, but I think we should hold off on the voting because he's gonna get replaced, when the replacement comes it'll give us more information to work with.

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SL:

I kinda agree with post 339, A.A's posts seem to draw at straws, really random can't even remember the post he made that you gave the link to but his recent post, post 330, is really grabbing thin air as well. However I do think voting for him straight away is a bit hasty. You've also set a very good relationship with gobo, he wasn't in any danger of getting lynched, nobody's was suspicous of him (well at least I'm not) so why the:

1) I do not endorse a Goborage lynch today, he reads town.

And now that I've taken a look at the vote count, gobo is the one that first voted for A.A, looks like you're trying to buddy with him and use his pro-town image in my opinion.

[The World No.1 Noob]

SL only posted once, how do you suggest we re-read her posts? Unless you have something scummy to point to her predecessor you want to share with us?

no but we can read camisad's (the person he replaced) posts

[The World No.1 Noob]

I'm against lurker-lynch not Dave-lynch.

O? so what other reason is there in lynching Dave apart from the fact that he's lurking?

So, please, explain to me Mokina, why are you trying to shoot down the Grum lynch. Do you have any concrete town-tells on him you would like to point out? Or do you have any cases on other players that are better than my Grum case? All I see is you pushing for a Dave lynch because he is lurking.

I don't think that makes entire sense, her latest post attacks SL for making a Grum vote.

SL: Please give more reasoning to your votes, you seem to throw votes out randoming, all you said was:

That said, I now feel that a Grum lynch is worth a shot, plus that quitting doesn't look good at all.

oo, actually I didn't see Mokina's post, I totally agree with her, as far as I can see your vote came out of nowhere, what reasoning? I don't see any reasoning. You talked about crapshot and noob, Dave, how assignment of roles is random and again randomly about goborage. I think your panicking due to the accusations against you and you're trying to push focus on other people.

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O yea and strappado, you better hurry up and read, you have A LOT of explaining to do. we will not forget about you.

[The World No.1 Noob]

its when you vote and that vote makes the votes on a person go over 50% of the people playing right?

There isn't, that's why I was against it

But u said before you're against a lurker lynch not a Dave lynch

And the diagram...that was ages ago, I've definitely thrown it away...soz.

[The World No.1 Noob]

what's someone's alt? It wasn't a complex diagram, It was just a spider diagram basically, I start by writing everyone's name in a circle, and I draw an arrow between 2 players every time they interact, different colours can suggest what type of interaction ( think I used red for attack and blue for support), the way the arrow points tells which person did the attack or support.

Official Vote Count

Abstract Actuary - 1 (goborage)

Artem - 2 (Claus, springlullaby)

The World No.1 Noob - 1 (strappado)

Not Voting - 4 (Abstract Actuary, Artem, Mokina, The World No.1 Noob)

5 to Lynch (3 at deadline on June 21).

[The World No.1 Noob]

I am not an alt

[The World No.1 Noob]

O yes and to the first part of Gobo's post which I seem to have missed out,

Is this a real question? So far we as town have been using the newbie card to defend #1noob. But it's been around two months and I think it's starting to wear a bit thin.

Gobo, I think the word "newbie" is used too much and therefore has changed meanings it means new at something, not necessarily bad at something. You and I were both "newbie" at the beginning of this game, we've both grown, but in different ways. You've been playing multiple games, reading wikis and learning fancy jargon. I've just been playing this one game, I don't know all the Jargons and I really don't have time to go memorize all of them. So yes I'm still newbie as in "new" to this game, but that doesn't interfere with my reasoning ability, when I ask a question its so it can help me with my decision making. Honestly how does me ask if my vote would be a hammer harm the town in any way?

[The World No.1 Noob]

Now, anti-town players are easy prey for mafia NKs since they reveal the least amount of information possible

I disagree with this, why would a mafia kill of someone they could potentially use as a scapegoat during the day?

Suppose you pick the most newbish-sounding name you can come up with

I use this name, or a version of it for any game I play, I'm "killerno.1noob" in Warcraft 3, World No.1 Noob in Tribal Wars, etc, etc. I have to admit, I did originally come up with it to give the deception to everyone to make them think I'm noob to put them off guard, but over time its just become my game name.

His consistent but subtle siding with SL

Huh? did you read my post? how was that siding with him? I was accusing him of buddying with gobo

Cooperation. #1noob certainly understands how this game works and what things to look for

As I said, I'm new, not an idiot.

[The World No.1 Noob]

You say you want to wait for Dave for "more info". More specifically, what kind of info do you wish to know?

Well virtually anything would be good, why he wasn't posting (this problem is now sorted), what his thoughts are apart from him attacking me because I hammered etc.

- Am I correct to say that you seem to suspect Goborage and SL most? If not, who do you suspect most?

no, no, SL yes, not Goborage though. I might as well post a suspicions list:

SL: I've already talked about him plenty

Dave was pretty high in my suspicions but his replacement seems to be acting normally, maybe it was just Dave the guy.

Grum was weird but I don't think he was actually scum...I just think he was a bit childish, he's replacement does make him look more scummy but the question I'm trying to decide on is: did grum think he was in that bad of a position and childish (like sore-loser/don't wanna get lynched) enough to just quit as a mafia? I mean for a personality like his he'd only quit if his role wasn't that important anyway right? I really can't decide which way the balance swings on that one.

AA: I don't like the way you reason, they're logical (sort of) but they really grab at thin air, they're really theoryish. They can be good if we have absolutely nothing to work with but we have a lot to work with, (more than I can handle to be honest), its sorta like going for a pawn instead of the checkmate, does anyone understand me? I'm having trouble expressing myself today. I'll repost if I get a break through on how to word what I'm trying to say.

[The World No.1 Noob]

- Do you have any reason not to vote the person who is most likely to be scum?

of course I wouldn't hesitate if I thought I knew who's the scum, but I don't yet know how sure I have to be before I make a vote.

[The World No.1 Noob]

Let me clarify that #1noob - SL case was just a hook. What I'm doing now is examining the catch.

If you didn't make that up to back out of a mistake of a post, then that's ingenious. Check and fork.

Mod: sry to be a pain but can I have an official vote count please? And can you put in brackets the person that the new player has replaced please. I'm really having difficulty remembering.

Vote count is at the top of the page. I'm not going to clutter up the vote count trying to track who replaced who, it'd be a nightmare. If you go into your Profile (link at top of page) there's a radial button (10th one down) that you can set to Yes to Always Show First Post on Every Topic Page. There is an updated list of who is who maintained in the first post of (almost) every Mafia game.

[The World No.1 Noob]

- Who do you think is the best lynch for the day? If you're not voting, what are your reasons?

This specifically applies to strappado, #1noob and Mokina.

I'm not voting because I can't decide between u and SL

[The World No.1 Noob]

alright I'm going to have to give Artem the benefit of the doubt on his fish bate tactic, SL is clearly only voting for Artem to save her own arse,

Vote: springlullaby

goborage, the deciding power is basically on you.
Strapado, hurry up and finish ur read.

hey what happens if there are even votes on 2 people?

[The World No.1 Noob]

I really didn't like this post. It's very accusatory and infers that I've done something wrong, have explaining to do for it, and am trying to be forgotten. I was only in for 2 days, I just dont like the post, it gives me bad vibes.

You did have a lot of explaining to do, if Dave didn't get replaced but continued to pick up his prods he would have gotten lynched for sure. He was one step away from the edge of the cliff.

I think anyone could infer from the rest of the sentence what D1 means, when they say "D1 you seemed X, but today you seemed Y"...he says he's very logical, I think he could have figured out what that meant, or atleast gotten the idea. It seemed forced, insincere, and it got him out of addressing the actual content.

Read the first quote where D1 was used, I got it later, but if you read the quote which I questioned that had D1 on it it was really confusing, can't seem to find it now, think it was a post by Mokina or grum, it was a really confusing post.

[The World No.1 Noob]

to which Gorborage says "Why would you bring up Camisade out of the blue? The question is directed at you, not him. "
same thing I was thinking...it's weird, but why? As scum, does it benefit him in anyway? Maybe he's trying to link himself to Camisade in case he goes down today and flips scum.

Camisade gave the reason to lynch MM, and I supported it.

[The World No.1 Noob]

6/6: @ 2:49am Noob says: " O yea and strappado, you better hurry up and read, you have A LOT of explaining to do. we will not forget about you. " is this where you get the idea from?

6/6 @ 6:45am: I respond to Noob asking him to not get his panties in a bunch just yet

I thought you were joking when you told me not to get my panties in a bunch yet, but now I see you are annoyed at me hurrying you. Now that you've finished your read you should know that the town was very annoyed at Dave. If he had not been replaced we would have been forced to lynch him. At the time when you got replaced in we let out a breath of relief and started on other leads. I then made that post to you to make sure you don't try and fade into the background. Yes you were just replaced in, it was a preemptive move. I agree your level of posting at the minimal is very reasonable.

he said he's big in science, math, logic...

zzz, I knew that post must have sounded arrogant, I'm not "big" on anything.

I'm leaning towards believing that his Day1 hammer was done knowingly

As I've said the only thing I can say is that it was a mistake. I failed to see that my vote was the point of no return.

@SL, yes Mokina put Gobo on medium risk, but that still doesn't give him the priority of the first thing you mention is something along the lines of I don't endorse a gobo lynch.


And happy birthday to Claus

[The World No.1 Noob]

Can't happen; someone always gets voted first, and the lynch limit is usually > half. Please think before you ask questions; they are only fueling a nagging suspicion of you being "too inexperienced to be real".

huh? Claus answered my question ages ago, he gave a very good answer, the person who gets the number of votes first is lynched...

@SL

I'm thinking I'm not liking your game lately and that I should stop second guessing myself.

was all you said and you voted for artem.

I really would like Gobo and AA to say something now. Apart from me you two are the only original players left in the game. I think what you say could be very important and can make a very big difference to the outcome of the day. Well at least I think I'll find it important anyway.

[The World No.1 Noob]

I've made my feelings about Grum/Artem clear. As for camisade/SL, I can understand why she could be perceived as scummy. Something that struck me as odd (it may have been pointed out already) are posts 339 and 361.

Then why is your vote still on AA?

[The World No.1 Noob]

(439) SL unvotes artem, then votes him back. ... what does this mean? Between
her unvote and her vote, Mokina and Gobo posted, and none of those posts
had anything to do with Artem. I'm filling this into the small town tell file.

Why is this behavior considered pro-town? its random behavior like this that makes me suspicious of her.

[The World No.1 Noob]

The fact that he didn't make an argument on his own and was just coattailing on Gobo is scummy.

I never implied Gobo is scummy, I was just agreeing with Grum (at the time) in that I thought he was being aggressive.

Noob & Artem seemed pretty focused on the Dave Lurking wagon and unwilling to drop it after I replaced in. I found it scummy that Noob seemed reluctant to even give me 3 days to catch up to 15 pages, he wanted me to hurry up and said "we will not forget about you", implying that I was trying to be forgotten, I didn't like that, it felt like (and I think really is) a false accusation

I've already explained this, please read my previous post about it.

[The World No.1 Noob]

Artem, who was quite managing to look like a reasonable player.

lol, I think he was a bit of a tard...why would you randomly claim to be a cop??? Like he probably wouldn't have gotten lynched even with you pushing so hard if he hadn't done that.

Claus even picked himself as scum before he realised it was himself. C'mon. You guys can't possibly let that slide.

About the Claus accusing himself thing, I don't think that makes him scum, a scum would have been more careful not to do that in my opinion.

I felt an AA/Artem pairing or a Noob/Artem pairing. Noob is confirmed town now, so I'm leaning towards AA today.

Correction

I see possible links between Noob & AA and Noob & Artem that could indicate a pairing.

Doesn't really say anything, but a problem I'm having (this is more Muerrto than you) is that you both seem so dam sure you yourselves. In my opinion being town is like a rat trapped in a maze. Especially at the beginning of the game when there is so little info to work with. So Muerrto anyone saying that they know who the scum is at page 2, I would take a second look at.

Now, 2 things I don't understand:

1. Why would the doctor not save the cop?
2. If the doctor saved me instead thinking that scum would go for me because they think that the doctor would save cop. Then shouldn't Monika have pointed out who was innocent the next day?

I know I know that those have nothing to do with the game, but hey this is a nooby game and I'm here to learn. So can someone explain please.

Quick summary of my thoughts on everyone:

Gobo: If I didn't get the same feeling about Grum as him I would be suspicious of him. Does a few things that looks a bit anti-town: disassociates himself from Grum, a bit of buddying with Claus 借刀杀人 bussing, which wouldn't have as great as a direct effect on looking innocent but can have a much stronger underlying effect. But looking at the overall picture, his posts give me that feeling of a rat trapped in a maze, more town than scum.

Claus: Contrary to Muerrto's analysis, he seems the most town out of everyone so far. But on saying that Muerrto is an IC and I am a noob.

AA: not enough info on him, he's faded into the background.

strappado: no enough info on her also, Dave gave me sort of the same feeling as Grum gave me. In seeing what grum was I shall be watching her.

Muerrto: person I was most suspicous of yesterday, his hypothesis is very viable, but him being so sure of it makes me think he's trying to turn the attention of the town else where and not on him.

[The World No.1 Noob]

oops, I just realised I typed Chinese in my post...sry lol..."借刀杀人" is an old Chinese saying, it literally means "Murdering with a borrowed knife", what it actually means is that you use someone else to kill someone because you don't want to do it yourself to make you look bad.

[The World No.1 Noob]

actually I realised my questions about the doc might give away info to scum, so don't bother answering those.

Maybe Vel can answer them for me

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I will do so after the game or one of the ICs can do it now.

[The World No.1 Noob]

Strapp also had problems with my case on Claus which makes me even more sure it's Claus.

Why? I'm really starting to get very confused by you. Your scum killing scum to gain to gain the sympathy of town theory was feasible and I'm giving it considerable thinking, but I just don't see how your logic works on that one. And why are Gobo and AA confirmed town???

[The World No.1 Noob]

Yes, I'm also interested in starting an AA discussion. I seem to remember (this is not a quote) grum was protecting AA when gobo was firing on him. He said something along the lines of you're not giving him a chance to scum hunt, and stuff. I'll do a total re-read in the weekend, too busy now.

With the bussing technique, this is really giving me a headache, how do u distinguish between bussing and simply a townie who's caught scum? If we just lynch anyone who kills a scum then there is a big chance he's town and we'd just have killed off one of our own. But if he is scum and no one questions him because he was successful in killing scum then they've just got a golden ticket to victory.

[The World No.1 Noob]

ok even though I said I'd wait to weekend I've started the reread, very important question i need to the answer to:

Can scum communicate with each other privately during the day? (I'm guessing not)

If not:

Do they get to discuss their tactics during night? (I'm guessing yes)

And

Do they get to communicate before day 1 starts?

[The World No.1 Noob]

hey strap where's your analysis of Muerrto?

[The World No.1 Noob]

OK, I'm on page 10. I've noticed that Grum sucks up A LOT. I started off with a suspicion of AA as Grum said stuff like "he's being a valuable player" "Clam and Collect" etc, but he's done that to roland and camsiade as well. Sucking up to all the ICs in this game.

Two most suspicious people to me right now is:

Muerrto and strappado. Purely baised on their predecessor's play. Grum makes contact with these people the least, as he knows that he doesn't need to gain either of their trust. Grum's suspicions list has neither of these two people on it.

Alot of people attacked Dave for lurking, when I replaced in, some people tried to continue that attack even though I was being active

Again look at the board that was set up at the time. Dave picked up prods (via PM to the Mod I think) but choose not to post. We had no choice but to vote for him, he wasn't just lurking he was I don't know what to call what he was doing. And nobody tried to continue the attack, the wagon was disbanded at once.

I'll be happy with both a Muerrto or a Strappardo lynch today.

I think with the amount of pressure Claus put on Grum and the random personal bitch slap between Gobo and Grum earlier. Lynching them seems out of the question.

[The World No.1 Noob]

hmmm, good point, I guess I will have to read the other 14 pages then...*sigh*

[The World No.1 Noob]

By the way, with 6 players and apparently no doctor, if we myslinch today, tomorrow the optimal play is to go No Lynch.

Claus wrote:
By the way, with 6 players and apparently no doctor, if we myslinch today, tomorrow the optimal play is to go No Lynch.


This is correct.

why why why?


I really don't know what to say to this case against Claus, because according to that argument, anyone who's pro-town can be considered scum. The only solution I can think of (and it still has problems in it) is: Claus just so we can get this cleared can you please make a post of how you came to the conclusion that Grum was scum.

I'm sorry I still haven't finished my re-read, a lot going on lately. I promise I'll finish next weekend.

[The World No.1 Noob]

Claus, I know you've probably done this in older posts but it'll make it easier for me and the town if you can tell us how you reached the conclusion that Grum was scum yesterday.

[The World No.1 Noob]

Another progression on my reread, I think a thing that might make finding scum very easy for the town in this game is Grum's simpleness. I just don't see him accusing his own teammate.

I still have my suspicion of him but my concern is dave.

Is it just your activity at work or school dave? whats with the lurking?

activity is being bi-polar again I see... no new insights from anyone?

No, hes straight up lurking and I've been hoping he would stop if he was newb town... hes looking very scummy but I'm not looking forward to another day 1. So I'm holding off just now but hes the number 1 scummiest right next to me... wait...

so this lowers strappado from the suspicions list.

AA things are not looking good for you. The reason I'm holding back is that AA hasn't done anything suspicious himself. All the evidence stacked up against him comes from Grum/Artem (mostly Grum). Artem's personality is very interesting indeed and I have no idea what he might have done.

[The World No.1 Noob]

- Sees Grum, Me as town,

you mean gobo right?

OK, I've had time to sleep over things, right now my opinions haven't changed much. Gobo and Claus are at the bottom of my suspiciousness list. Muerrto and Strapp have played very suspiciously but Grum's play makes AA suspicious. Its not just him sucking up to AA. He never put AA on his suspicions list once out of all the random lists he made, we see that if someone is under pressure he has no trouble voting for them even if they're an IC from Roland's example but when Gobo attacks AA he defended AA, very odd, the only explanation I can think which might clear AA is if he wanted AA on his side against Gobo because Gobo had just attacked him. So we have two tries at lynching the scum. 66% of succeding if we do it by pure chance.

Now I have another question. (lol sorry I ask a lot of these) What should we do if scum claims doctor and there is no doctor?

[The World No.1 Noob]

Also, Noob, can you tell me in your own words how I've been 'playing suspisciously'? I realise listenting to Claus' arguments can be swaying but remember, if he's town he has no better idea of who the scum are than you do. So, tell me what YOU find suspiscious about my play, not what he does.

1. Your attack on Claus is feasible but not likely, why because if Claus was scum:
=>he wouldn't have known if there was a cop or not when he started pressuring Grum, killing a teammate with a cop in the game would be very disadvantageous in my opinion
=>he wouldn't have know that Artem would claim cop and simultaneously given away who the cop was so she can be killed that night.
=>he doesn't know nor do any of us if there's a doctor who could have possibly saved the cop if he and Grum had discussed the tactic during night.

2. I also don't see where Claus insulted you.

3. SL's moves yesterday are odd.

But on saying that Muerrto isn't my no.1 opinion right now, I still think with Grum's character he would have rather joined Gobo and tried to bandwagon AA if AA wasn't his partner, AA my suspicion of you is purely biased on the scum's play, so even if you've made all the right moves as a scum, a dumb partner's play really isn't something you can defend yourself from. Along with that you haven't posted since Tuesday, so:

vote: AA

[The World No.1 Noob]

wtf, nobody's posted in 2 days, strap? AA? you 2 havn't voted, whats ur analysis's?

[The World No.1 Noob]

July 4th weekend here, give em a little bit.

O right, sorry I'm not American, totally forgot.

The Muerrto/Claus standoff is extremely annoying. With both of them picking and choosing which things the other is saying to respond to and attack and which things to ignore. I think you guys both need to get over whatever happened and move on. If you have an "unanswered question" in a post that is currently being ignored, then repost the question. Instead of saying, "you still haven't answered . . ." Let's assume everything in the past between the two of you has been either answered or ignored/didn't happen. Both of you, move on. If you still have unanswered questions, post them anew and leave the insults out, however subtle or blatant they are.

I totally agree, this argument is kind pointless in my opinion

[The World No.1 Noob]

I'm not sure about Claus. Mostly because I really get the feeling, and have through the entire game, that Muerrto et. al., were/are town. Being so sure that Muerrto is town makes me wonder about anyone that sees him as scum. Claus said he saw Muerrto as town, just wrong in thinking that Claus was scum, but Muerrto pushed it and has stuck to his guns and Claus now thinks Muerrto is scum because of it. That doesn't sit well with me.

y do u have the feeling that Muerrto is town?
y doesn't that sit well with you? clinging onto a dead case with thin evidence that nobody supports certainly isn't town.
if you're not sure about him y is he first on your scum list?

[The World No.1 Noob]

A. answer to dead comes from the answers in B and C
B. thin evidence because I don't think that the bussing theory is very likely, and if that's not very likely then most other evidence of him acting 'scum' like is sort of negated as unless he was bussing he wouldn't have worked so hard to kill a teammate.
C. unsupported because only you and strap supports it, I don't think Gobo and AA support a Claus lynch and I know that Claus certainly doesn't support a claus lynch

Why is my case weak and his not?

His case on you isn't that strong at the moment too. But I can see why he thinks you're scum. Sure you've given your evidence, now unless there's something wrong with previous analysis's of it you would like to point out, we've decided your evidence doesn't work out and isn't strong. Claus waited a long time before accusing you of town ample time for a sensible town to realise that his case is wrong and move else where. You continuing your accusations if not scummy is anti-town.

But I have to say everything has its unexpected consequences and your argument might have led to something very good. It's sorta like Artem's 'hook' except it might have actually hooked onto something be it rock or scum.

Strap supporting your argument raises her on my list, and AA again plays very Pro-town

The Muerrto/Claus standoff is extremely annoying. With both of them picking and choosing which things the other is saying to respond to and attack and which things to ignore. I think you guys both need to get over whatever happened and move on. If you have an "unanswered question" in a post that is currently being ignored, then repost the question. Instead of saying, "you still haven't answered . . ." Let's assume everything in the past between the two of you has been either answered or ignored/didn't happen. Both of you, move on. If you still have unanswered questions, post them anew and leave the insults out, however subtle or blatant they are.

I think I'm going to need to go have a read again and see if Grum's link with AA is all that strong.

unvote

[The World No.1 Noob]

O and let me just get this straight, is this where everybody's suspicions lie?

AA: nobody {if you can post your top suspect it would b helpful}
Goborage: Strappado {how strongly do u suspect?}
Claus: Muerrto {relatively strong}
Strappado: Claus (but not very strong)
Muerrto: Claus {very strong}

[The World No.1 Noob]

The thing that sways me is that Claus said through the majority of the argument that Muerrto seemed town, and when Muerrto first accused him he said
Claus wrote:
I'm disappointed with your read, muerrto. Do it over.

but still insists that he sees Muerrto as town. The more Muerrto asserts that he thinks Claus is the scum, the more volatile their discourse becomes until Claus says he is now sure enough that Muerrto is scum to vote him. It's a classic OMGUS. I didn't feel there was any sincerety in Claus's vote, it just seemed like he was trying to discredit his attacker by calling him scum.

I feel fairly confident that Claus is scum, not so much because of Muerrto's case, but because of Claus' reaction to it.

I don't agree with that, the reasons I posted for Muerrto before, this is gonna take the focus off Muerrto and AA but...

vote: Strappado

[The World No.1 Noob]

the ball is now in AA's court

[The World No.1 Noob]

I see that I was letting my annoyance of your "personal attack" accusations to hamper my judgement

I think this still holds, while I'm not convinced by his case on you, I'm not convinced by your case on him either. I think your cases against each other has reached a deadlock and its time for you to consider other options.

[The World No.1 Noob]

hey when is our deadline?

[The World No.1 Noob]

LOL, gobo, nice use of vocabulary...LMAO

[The World No.1 Noob]

Gobo voted me because he thinks Artem didn't buss me, pretty similar argument, but you remained mute on that. It seems you only find this scummy about Muerrto because it's directed at you.

I don't think its a similar argument, scum not bringing his partner into the spot light is pretty reasonable

what makes the way Muerrto is pushing his attack on you any less scummy than you pushing your attack on him? I think yours is more scummy because it's an OMGUS attack.

please define OMGUS

Also, I dont like the hypocricy in that argument. You said just a few sentences before that you thought I was scummy for changing my vote too much, but you think he's scummy for not changing his. I think your arguments are really convenient for whatever you're pushing for at the time which is scummy.

OK, I think this is a really bad interpretation, horrifically oversimplifies things, two opposite methods scum can use. Believing one method is a scum tell doesn't mean you can't think the other one is scum tell too.

this is the post we've been waiting for from you AA?

I agree with this though, expected a bit more. Evidence would be nice.

Noob, if you had to pick between the two, who seems scummier?

Muerrto, I was confused by his attack on Claus before Claus defended himself..., and I noticed the "insults" thing too, I totally agree with Gobo on that one (wait was it Gobo or AA?) I mean I certainly didn't pick up any insults, this is the internet (wonderful invention), honestly which one of us hasn't gotten a: free yes absolutely FREE 5 pages of full bitch fight on some forum? and it gets better, if you read carefully you'll find every single variation of F*** you can think of! But wait there's more! have a moderator that doesn't lock the strand in time, you yes YOU can read a full set of the internet nerds guide to homosexuality, mums, asses, Hitler, Jews and Gipsy's. I don't find Claus scummy at all I think Muerrto is anti-town but not necessarily scum.

I'm not sure what else I can say to convince you/Gobo/Noob about Muerrto. I would appreciate if you gave your opinion on him before we do anything else.

The thing is, sure Murreto's behaviour makes it strange for him to be town, but it also makes it strange for him to be scum too. Why would a scum draw such obvious attention onto himself? making a big fuss out of nothing and drawing attention doesn't seem like something scum would do. Strap however, has decided to agree with Muerrto who's arguments don't seem to have been able to convince anyone else but her. Everyone else has also pointed out that the pointless row between you and Muerrto is...well pointless. Except for her.

[The World No.1 Noob]

unvote

wow, now that is what I call some unexpected brilliancy, if strap is doc its an almost perfect plan as we get 2 lynches, except with 2 loop holes:

1. Gobo is scum (you already addressed, says its low possibility, I agree)
2. Strap is scum and there is no doctor, the scum choose not to kill first night. (again low possibility but still a danger, but it would be a risk for strap as well because if there is a doctor she just killed herself)

But one thing, isn't doing something this bold a bit risky biasing everything on "awesome" and strap's placing of cam as innocent?
And I think everyone should unvote for now, and the next few days will really need a lot of attention from everyone, a week from our deadline.

[The World No.1 Noob]

sigh, well looks like its gg, if AA isn't the scum we really have no choice tomorrow,

vote: AA

[The World No.1 Noob]

GG aye, ahh I so wished I could talk after I died...I really didn't like how strap's confirmation matched with Claus's inspections 100%, anything that matches 100% is too good to be true in my opinion

[The World No.1 Noob]

o sry for not replying earlier Clause (I doubt you're still watching this forum but I'll post anyway) ummm, I'm not gonna join any other games for a while, I have important exams coming up and I've been really busy, I'll probably join like 5 different games at once in December though