Newbie 594: (Game Over!)

zu_Faul · Post Post #8 (isolation #0) » Mon Apr 07, 2008 8:11 am

/confirm

zu_Faul · Post Post #31 (isolation #1) » Wed Apr 09, 2008 10:15 pm

It's about the different reactions you with which you can tell scum and townies apart.

zu_Faul · Post Post #36 (isolation #2) » Thu Apr 10, 2008 9:29 am

Atticus wrote:OK, well, I guess I should have checked that before being stupid.

You got nothing else to contribute?

zu_Faul · Post Post #39 (isolation #3) » Fri Apr 11, 2008 12:29 am

Vote: Battousai

I think it is very early to accuse someone of lurking. We're on page two and there has really been nothing worth commenting on. Until now.

zu_Faul · Post Post #51 (isolation #4) » Sun Apr 13, 2008 12:56 am

Why isn't Battousai lynched yet?

J/K, Battousai, you are in no danger of being lynched, you're still at only one vote. Your overdefensiveness is a scumtell though.

@Split9102: Even if you have something which doesn't convince you right away, tell us. It's only page three, it's hard to be sure of scum at this time.

zu_Faul · Post Post #86 (isolation #5) » Thu Apr 17, 2008 9:07 am

BlackWolf wrote:Eh, just wanted to see reactions.

If you want to see my reaction, why don't you wait for me to show up before unvoting?

Has Rickenon already posted in this game? I don't think so.

I get protown vibes off of silence.
gorillaman seems rather scummy, though I didn't get what Nocmen meant with "overdefensive" in that one post. gorillaman was defending someone else. Nocmen should have answered the question proposed by gorillaman.

zu_Faul · Post Post #94 (isolation #6) » Thu Apr 17, 2008 11:59 pm

unvote, Vote: Rickenon

Now you have something to comment on.

zu_Faul · Post Post #98 (isolation #7) » Fri Apr 18, 2008 11:22 am

Unvote, Vote Rickeon

zu_Faul · Post Post #99 (isolation #8) » Fri Apr 18, 2008 11:24 am

BlackWolf wrote:Zu_FaulI didn't need to see your reaction in particular...anything interesting that came up would be good.

It at least gives me something about other people...

Now, since you said you would answer questions, Bat...
Why didn't you vote for me on Post 77 if you found me that suspicious? Why wait till now?

Shouldn't you try to get as many reactions as possible?

zu_Faul · Post Post #102 (isolation #9) » Fri Apr 18, 2008 11:38 pm

Rickeon wrote:
zu_Faul wrote:
Unvote, Vote Rickeon
Well, I really don't see what I could defend. I haven't done anything that could go either way yet this game.

Your passiveness is astonishing. There have been some things going on until now. You need to comment.

zu_Faul · Post Post #117 (isolation #10) » Mon Apr 21, 2008 10:42 pm

There are still other things to comment on, Rickeon (everyone else as well). Also picking on battousai when you can't say why seems too opportunistic for me.

zu_Faul · Post Post #122 (isolation #11) » Tue Apr 22, 2008 8:41 am

Battousai wrote:
zu_Faul wrote:Also picking on battousai when you can't say why seems too opportunistic for me.
Could you reitirate that plz? I don't understand.

He chose to attack you, without bringing any reasonable reason.
I already attacked you earlier, and not thatm uch else has been going one. Therefore I find it quite opportunistic that he chooses to attack you.

zu_Faul · Post Post #125 (isolation #12) » Wed Apr 23, 2008 4:02 am

BlackWolf wrote:
zu_Faul wrote:He chose to attack you, without bringing any reasonable reason.
After a few people pressured him to post
anything
repeatedly, does it really count as opportunistic?

He could have produced original content, which he didn't.

zu_Faul · Post Post #148 (isolation #13) » Mon Apr 28, 2008 7:47 am

FOS: Nocmen, Battousai

for throwing BS logic at BlackWolf.

Battousai wrote:Actually, split, zu_faul, and/or rickeon would be the easiest to attack for them not posting much lately. The ones who can't defend themselves make easier targets, IMHO

Not necessarily. I was here for example, but I didn't post yet because I originally waited for Rickeon's reply, iwthout noticing how much time passed since my last post.

zu_Faul · Post Post #162 (isolation #14) » Fri May 02, 2008 12:58 am

unvote, vote gorillaman

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... &start=125
Other than in post 2 he hasn't done any accusing. He is not scumhunting. Just sitting on the sideline watching how the townies lynch each other.

zu_Faul · Post Post #174 (isolation #15) » Sun May 04, 2008 3:16 am

I don't know whether all of you missed that he hasn't been on L-1 for some time. If you did I think it is possible that some of you tried to warn your scum partner not to lynch him and make themselves seem very scummy. If you did not miss it I don't know what you wanted to accomplish.

FOS: Battousai, Nocmen, Atticus

zu_Faul · Post Post #177 (isolation #16) » Mon May 05, 2008 12:41 am

BlackWolf wrote:That is actually really unreliable.
It's completely possible he acts differently as cop then as town, now isn't it?

Are my accusations unreliable as well?

@Nocmen: Didn't you see my last post? I thought it was worth at least a comment from you.

zu_Faul · Post Post #193 (isolation #17) » Wed May 07, 2008 2:49 am

Mr. Blonde wrote: Also,
FoS: Zu_faul
- you have some explaining to do:
- You have switched your vote to the one who gets most vote? Is this "scum hoping that others would join the vote?"

I don't get it.

zu_Faul · Post Post #196 (isolation #18) » Wed May 07, 2008 4:03 am

gorillaman wrote:Except that both times his was the first vote.

Exactly.

zu_Faul · Post Post #198 (isolation #19) » Wed May 07, 2008 6:45 am

gorillaman still has yet to do any scumhunting.

zu_Faul · Post Post #205 (isolation #20) » Thu May 08, 2008 1:27 am

Nocmen wrote:What really confuses me though is that zf goes and foses us on the wagon in post 174...when he was also voting on the wagon. ZF, care to comment?

I didn't fos the people because they were on the wagon, but because they were potentially telling their partner not to hammer RIckeon already.

zu_Faul · Post Post #208 (isolation #21) » Thu May 08, 2008 6:13 am

silence wrote:
zu_Faul wrote: If you did I think it is possible that some of you tried to warn your scum partner not to lynch him and make themselves seem very scummy.
FOS: Battousai, Nocmen, Atticus
Shouldn't this logic equivalently apply to your own voting of gorillaman too? By getting Rickeon out of L-1 you ensured that your scum partner does not lynch him and make himself look very scummy?

No. After three people already said "don't lynch him" it was quite obvious that this wasn't going to happen.

zu_Faul · Post Post #243 (isolation #22) » Sat May 10, 2008 6:02 am

I'm gonna post tomorrow or the day after. I feel quite sick at the moment.

zu_Faul · Post Post #252 (isolation #23) » Mon May 12, 2008 3:53 am

Nocmen wrote:A number of things. One of which it seems to me like he jumps around and pops up only when it is convenient for him to do so, and when something about him is mentioned. A lot of his posts have been trying to get other people to say things, which is fine for a newbie game, but when its been said so many times by all of us, I think he may be trying to get someone to slip up. He's accused/voted people for the reasons of not scumhunting and "trying to tell our partner something". But what has he done? The most scum hunting I have seen from him was his vote on gorillaman.

Wrong.

In this post, evidence of me scumhunting:

zu_Faul wrote:
Vote: Battousai

I think it is very early to accuse someone of lurking. We're on page two and there has really been nothing worth commenting on. Until now.

zu_Faul wrote:
BlackWolf wrote:Zu_FaulI didn't need to see your reaction in particular...anything interesting that came up would be good.

It at least gives me something about other people...

Now, since you said you would answer questions, Bat...
Why didn't you vote for me on Post 77 if you found me that suspicious? Why wait till now?
Shouldn't you try to get as many reactions as possible?

zu_Faul wrote:
Rickeon wrote:
zu_Faul wrote:
Unvote, Vote Rickeon
Well, I really don't see what I could defend. I haven't done anything that could go either way yet this game.
Your passiveness is astonishing. There have been some things going on until now. You need to comment.

(this is not only prompting him to say something, but an accusation ("astonishing passiveness"))

zu_Faul wrote:There are still other things to comment on, Rickeon (everyone else as well). Also picking on battousai when you can't say why seems too opportunistic for me.

(I think Nocmen may be confused by the fact that my posts are not 1-dimensional. I can prompt someone to say something and scumhunt in the same post).

zu_Faul wrote:
FOS: Nocmen, Battousai
for throwing BS logic at BlackWolf.

zu_Faul wrote:
unvote, vote gorillaman

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... &start=125
Other than in post 2 he hasn't done any accusing. He is not scumhunting. Just sitting on the sideline watching how the townies lynch each other.

zu_Faul wrote:I don't know whether all of you missed that he hasn't been on L-1 for some time. If you did I think it is possible that some of you tried to warn your scum partner not to lynch him and make themselves seem very scummy. If you did not miss it I don't know what you wanted to accomplish.

FOS: Battousai, Nocmen, Atticus

zu_Faul · Post Post #253 (isolation #24) » Mon May 12, 2008 3:56 am

Nocmen wrote:Battousai has made 3 votes total in this game, and 3 FoSes. And look at how many FoSes others have given in this game...its more than Battousai. If anything, I commend FoSes over votes, but only to a point. The way Battousai is using the FoSes are fine, but a few more and it looks like a person is trying to set up bait to try and get anyone else in trouble for it.

This is only right if the person making the FoSes is not committed and doesn't place his vote or doesn't change his vote to the most likely scum target.

Right now I'd be happy with lynching gorillaman or Nocmen.

zu_Faul · Post Post #255 (isolation #25) » Mon May 12, 2008 11:51 am

BlackWolf wrote:Why would you be happy with lynching Nocmen?

Going over your posts, you haven't cast any suspicions on him that weren't on somebody else as well.

And you would lynch gorillaman on the fact that he hasn't been scumhunting?

Well Bat, I can't argue with you if you think my reasoning wasn't good enough. There really isn't any way to argue with you anymore.

As for Nocmen, he has been constantly accusing players with BS logic and is trying to steer this game into a direction which suits him.

Gorillaman made one or two good posts and then returned to his old unhelpful self.

zu_Faul · Post Post #261 (isolation #26) » Tue May 13, 2008 12:48 am

gorillaman wrote: Potentially, 253 could be an almost textbook scum post. Accusing two people, one the townie you want to see lynched today and the other your partner from whom you're trying to distance.

You could be saying that only because one of the accused is you. Just saying.

zu_Faul · Post Post #271 (isolation #27) » Wed May 14, 2008 12:29 am

gorillaman wrote:
BlackWolf wrote:However, gorillaman, you have yet to post an actual defence of his accusation of you being your 'old, unhelpful self'.
It didn't occur to me I had anything to defend. As far as accusations go, that one's so vague I almost have to squint to know it's there. When I accused BlackWolf of not scumhunting, I gave specific and logical reasons for doing so. zu_Faul's done nothing of the sort for me. If I'm guilty of anything, it's only some lazy posting at the start of a slow game, which he may or may not know perfectly well.

Just because I don't make a text like

OMG gorillascum blahblahblahblahblahblah blahblahblah blahblahblahblahblahblah blahblahblah blahblahblah blahblahblah blahblahblahblahblahblah blahblahblah blahblahblah blahblahblah blahblahblah blahblahblah blahblahblah

Doesn't mean it's unnoticeable. That's jsut you being lazy.

I could quote all of your psots but two and everyone could see for themselves that you weren't doing any scumhunting. It's hard to show that something's

not

there.
The only thing that qualifies you of giving "specific and logical reasons" to accuse "BlackWolf of not scumhunting" may be that you accused him of not voting someone he found scummy. That is a thing which is completely different from what I accuse you of, which is, not doing anything at all (except for your BW cause).

zu_Faul · Post Post #287 (isolation #28) » Fri May 16, 2008 12:42 am

Nocmen wrote:1. He has made quite a few accusations towards people, while he could easily be accused of the same things.

Like for example...

3. His way of scumhunting seems to be just getting people to talk.

Because it is just better to lynch them without allowing them to say anything, riiiiiiiight

zu_Faul · Post Post #300 (isolation #29) » Mon May 19, 2008 11:21 pm

I don't see any of the points really. I don't see him "twisting and turning" and I don't see him role fishing in that post.

I don'z udnerstand your sixth point, Mr. Blonde, please elaborate.

zu_Faul · Post Post #302 (isolation #30) » Tue May 20, 2008 12:08 am

Mr. Blonde wrote:
I don't see any of the points really. I don't see him "twisting and turning" and I don't see him role fishing in that post.
ok.

sixth point: basically I had one or more whom I suspected when I did my vote on gorillaman, but those guys actions spoke for themselves => I started to see who else I should vote => and ended to blackwolf.

Ok. And what was the reaction that prompted you to put your suspicion on BlackWolf?

zu_Faul · Post Post #307 (isolation #31) » Tue May 20, 2008 5:35 am

Mr. Blonde wrote:Not "on Blackwolf" but "away from one (or more) who were on my list"

Ah, ok.

Why are you sitll voting him after you admitted he answered all of your points?

zu_Faul · Post Post #309 (isolation #32) » Tue May 20, 2008 8:35 am

Nocmen wrote:The one thing that concerns me about BlackWolf is that he seems to be a lot more organized in his defenses rather than his scumhunting.

Unvote, Vote:BlackWolf
. ZF could go both ways, I can see his posts being as logical and trying to figure out logic behind the actions. Though BlackWolf's defensiveness combined with zf's attack on Mr. Blonde for attacking BlackWolf...

This is funny. This time I definitely rather say about me that I was just asking Mr. Blonde and not scumhunting instead of attcking him. It seems you always get my intentions wrong.

zu_Faul · Post Post #331 (isolation #33) » Fri May 23, 2008 12:12 am

Silence, you want to lynch me or BlackWolf only because I didn't attack him? And because I switched my vote after he posted?

That's like the weakest accusation I ever saw.

I still think that all accusations towards BlackWolf are weak.

zu_Faul · Post Post #348 (isolation #34) » Mon May 26, 2008 1:06 am

Unvote

Gorillaman seems better now. As he won't be lynched today anyway we can have another look at him tomorrow.

Vote: silence

for failure to answer my question, not voting, and trying to stay under the radar.

zu_Faul · Post Post #354 (isolation #35) » Mon May 26, 2008 4:32 am

silence wrote:How is not voting 'staying under the radar' when everyone else is voting? Certainly it would be easier to avoid attention by voting just like everyone else. Also, see newbie games 435 and 504 for evidence of my reluctance to vote as a townie.

This were two seperate points. Your staying under the radar was by you posting rarely, and then mostly not relevant content.

zu_Faul · Post Post #378 (isolation #36) » Fri May 30, 2008 12:51 am

'^^

I was

a bit

wrong Day 1 it seems.

zu_Faul · Post Post #382 (isolation #37) » Fri May 30, 2008 5:09 am

174 - zu_Faul leaves BW off his FoS list, despite being the most obvious/deserving candidate

I don't get why he was "the most obvious/deserving candidate".

zu_Faul · Post Post #384 (isolation #38) » Fri May 30, 2008 6:07 am

"Hasn't benn" being the important part here. When BW posted, Rickeon still was at lynch -1.
I seem to have overlooked his post, because I checked only the posts after my unvote for people giving advice not to lynch Rickeon.

zu_Faul · Post Post #390 (isolation #39) » Fri May 30, 2008 9:42 am

gorillaman wrote:170 was after your unvote.

I just reread page 7. I think I missed BlackWolf, because I was focused on L-1. Whenever someone vote that it triggered my awareness. BW didn't.

zu_Faul · Post Post #391 (isolation #40) » Fri May 30, 2008 9:44 am

Battousai wrote:Yes, I did want to put some distance between him and myself, but so would any other townie who is sure that someone is scum.

What the hell, no a townie would want to lynch scum.

Vote: Battousai

I think now it may be good if the cop claims so the doc can protect him at night. He should not put his results forward though.

zu_Faul · Post Post #408 (isolation #41) » Mon Jun 02, 2008 12:25 am

I think it was agreed upon that the old newbie setup was busted. It had one Doc and one Cop and two scums goons, 7 players in total. It was the best strategy for the cop to claim Day 1.

We are in the same situation right now, even better, there is only one scum left. The cop should not tell who he investigated though.

zu_Faul · Post Post #410 (isolation #42) » Mon Jun 02, 2008 7:07 am

Battousai wrote:Why not zu?

Because then we lsoe a confirmed innocent tonight (except he found a guilty, in which case he should shout it from the rooftops, obvobvobv).

zu_Faul · Post Post #415 (isolation #43) » Tue Jun 03, 2008 1:44 am

Battousai wrote:No, as gorrillaman pointed out, if we have a cop we WILL have a doc since we lynched a roleblocker D1. The doc would protect the cop and then be killed. D2 the cop would have 2 investigations.

What the fuck, no, why would the Doc be killed? The scum doesn't know who the doc is. He has to target randomly at night hoping to find the doc.
If the cop clears someone, the scum can kill that guy off without losing his chance on hitting the doc.

zu_Faul · Post Post #421 (isolation #44) » Tue Jun 03, 2008 11:44 pm

You are right.

zu_Faul · Post Post #423 (isolation #45) » Wed Jun 04, 2008 4:55 am

You're more right.

zu_Faul · Post Post #432 (isolation #46) » Sun Jun 08, 2008 12:40 am

I don't buy weilawei scum as well. He didn't really outright protect BlackWolf or anything, but I think this is what you are accusing him of.

zu_Faul · Post Post #441 (isolation #47) » Wed Jun 11, 2008 2:10 am

I'd like to hear everyone's opinion on weilawei

and

Battousai.

zu_Faul · Post Post #451 (isolation #48) » Mon Jun 16, 2008 10:00 am

I need to reread the entire game. Await a post tomorrow or on Wednesday.

zu_Faul · Post Post #465 (isolation #49) » Sat Jun 21, 2008 1:48 am

Nocmen wrote:Sorry about not posting, I had graduation last night distracting me for most of yesterday.

Same here.

I am sorry, it is very irresponsible of me that I have not posted yet, especially since I promised it earlier this week.
I promise I'll do this soon (read: in the next few hours).

zu_Faul · Post Post #467 (isolation #50) » Sat Jun 21, 2008 10:06 am

I reread the posts of the players alive and of BlackWolf. BlackWolf to look for connections between the other palyers and him. I'd rank the players in order of scumminess:
1. Atticus
2. Game and Watch / Weilawei
3. Nocmen
4. Silence

Some reason: I don't see BW ever mention anyone of Atticus or Weilawei.

I'd really like to hear more of Silence, though.

zu_Faul · Post Post #472 (isolation #51) » Mon Jun 23, 2008 12:12 am

silence wrote:
zu_Faul wrote:Some reason: I don't see BW ever mention anyone of Atticus or Weilawei.
Why would he not mention his scumbuddy?

To keep him out of the spotlight.

zu_Faul · Post Post #473 (isolation #52) » Mon Jun 23, 2008 12:12 am

Atticus wrote:
zu_Faul wrote:I reread the posts of the players alive and of BlackWolf. BlackWolf to look for connections between the other palyers and him. I'd rank the players in order of scumminess:
1. Atticus
2. Game and Watch / Weilawei
3. Nocmen
4. Silence

Some reason: I don't see BW ever mention anyone of Atticus or Weilawei.

I'd really like to hear more of Silence, though.
That's actually interesting, because I see the same occurrence.

But why do you rank me over weilawei?

Feeling.

zu_Faul · Post Post #476 (isolation #53) » Mon Jun 23, 2008 6:20 am

Are you implying weilawei was his scumbuddy or silence?

zu_Faul · Post Post #479 (isolation #54) » Tue Jun 24, 2008 8:53 am

Can everyone make a list and order everyone from scummiest to non-scummiest?

zu_Faul · Post Post #489 (isolation #55) » Thu Jun 26, 2008 9:04 am

Atticus, could you make a list as well please?

zu_Faul · Post Post #498 (isolation #56) » Tue Jul 01, 2008 12:09 am

Considering I've been wrong and you all have been right all game, I'd say Atticus is town

I thought Gorillaman was scum.

zu_Faul · Post Post #502 (isolation #57) » Sat Jul 05, 2008 4:44 am

I got the prod. Busy week as well. Gonna post later.

zu_Faul · Post Post #519 (isolation #58) » Thu Jul 10, 2008 7:31 am

I kind of agree with Atticus. I think a GNWF lynch would be good.
I can't really get a read on him.

I read over weilawei's posts again. Nothing too outstanding, but looking slightly scummy.

zu_Faul · Post Post #529 (isolation #59) » Mon Jul 14, 2008 10:39 am

Vote: Game and watch forever

zu_Faul · Post Post #536 (isolation #60) » Fri Jul 25, 2008 4:31 am

Well, if I look at the list I made yesterday the choice seems easy. I'll think about it though.

zu_Faul · Post Post #538 (isolation #61) » Sun Jul 27, 2008 11:33 pm

It was hammertime.

We had a majority wanting him lynched rather than replaced.

zu_Faul · Post Post #539 (isolation #62) » Mon Jul 28, 2008 1:30 am

Just want you to know that I'll be on vacation starting the 9th of August. We should be long finisshed till then.

zu_Faul · Post Post #543 (isolation #63) » Wed Jul 30, 2008 1:25 am

silence wrote:
zu_Faul wrote:We had a majority wanting him lynched rather than replaced.
But why did you want to lynch him rather than, e.g., try to get a majority to support lynching Atticus?

I could not get a read on him because he didn't post that much, therefore he was very possbile scum.

zu_Faul · Post Post #547 (isolation #64) » Thu Jul 31, 2008 11:29 am

You said nocmen was more scummy than either of us.

I don't know exactly when I changed my mind. I was also a bit annoyed that he disappeared. I have rather scum win than lurker scum win, and I may take this into account into close decisions.

zu_Faul · Post Post #551 (isolation #65) » Sun Aug 03, 2008 2:12 am

Which obviously is great scumplay, sure

zu_Faul · Post Post #554 (isolation #66) » Tue Aug 05, 2008 12:54 am

This deadline is truly great, as I leave on the 9th until the 17th.

zu_Faul · Post Post #555 (isolation #67) » Tue Aug 05, 2008 12:55 am

I am quite sure silence is the last remaining scum.

zu_Faul · Post Post #557 (isolation #68) » Tue Aug 05, 2008 4:46 am

Sorry, my tone in the psot where I mentioned my vacation was not nice.

zu_Faul · Post Post #571 (isolation #69) » Sun Aug 17, 2008 8:25 am

I so want to vote Atticus right now.

Expect a vote tomorrowm one way or the other.

zu_Faul · Post Post #574 (isolation #70) » Mon Aug 18, 2008 12:11 am

Vote: Atticus

zu_Faul · Post Post #576 (isolation #71) » Mon Aug 18, 2008 2:25 am

Finally, in this game, I was right.

zu_Faul · Post Post #578 (isolation #72) » Mon Aug 18, 2008 11:33 am

Could you please stop being an ass now? Thanks.

zu_Faul · Post Post #579 (isolation #73) » Tue Aug 19, 2008 4:21 am

Also, what sheeping by silence?