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Salsabil Faria
Salsabil Faria
She/Her
Mafia Scum
Salsabil Faria
She/Her
Mafia Scum
Mafia Scum
Posts: 3779
Joined: October 1, 2020
Pronoun: She/Her
Location: in Bad Player jail
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Post #26 (isolation #0) » Wed Oct 14, 2020 6:42 pm
Postby Salsabil Faria »
Hi everyone, I just see the message from our mod and send him my confirmation reply. I am having a online class now, I will join with you guys later, please bare with me and don't vote me out!
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Post #30 (isolation #2) » Wed Oct 14, 2020 8:09 pm
Postby Salsabil Faria »
In post 9, Titus wrote:Hi. I'm Titus, one of your SEs. Right now, we're in random voting stage. We randomly vote people until we get theories as to who may or may not be scum.
Play hard but remember this is a game first and foremost.
VOTE: Trendall
Do I have to vote immediately? and what is your thought behind voting Trendall?
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Post #34 (isolation #4) » Wed Oct 14, 2020 8:14 pm
Postby Salsabil Faria »
In post 18, Trendall wrote:Eventually we'll wanna eliminate someone but not now, generally people just vote for each other at this point to get each other talking, but nobody's actually intending to lynch anybody for real this early on.
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Post #37 (isolation #5) » Wed Oct 14, 2020 8:16 pm
Postby Salsabil Faria »
In post 20, Town looter wrote:But since, this is a newbie game, I probably shouldn't confuse things: I can't actually vote for two people, it was a joke.
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Post #42 (isolation #8) » Wed Oct 14, 2020 8:22 pm
Postby Salsabil Faria »
In post 29, NorwegianboyEE wrote:It’s just a gimmick for the moderator to add some flair to their game. It doesn’t really have any relevant importance to us except as a source of entertainment.
That's why it's like best case. Odds are they're newbie and town-told, but it'd be cool if they were like some classically trained actor who wrote a plausible script from the get go.
Because i’m an SE and sometimes it’s just obvious to any experienced player when an persons tone of voice and posts are most definitely coming from town.
In post 40, NorwegianboyEE wrote:Looter, i’ve always wanted to ask what your username comes from.
Don't, it's like some stupid shit from when I was 19. And I am 38.
(I played a few games here as Lootifer years ago, which was my username for gaming back in the day, which was based on Loot, which I liked... for like... reasons... urgh)
why don't you change the name then? Don't tell me you fall in love with it
Because i’m an SE and sometimes it’s just obvious to any experienced player when an persons tone of voice and posts are most definitely coming from town.
what do you think about me with your SE power?
He knows your alignment because he is scum
OKAY! it's absolutely making sense btw, how do I know, you're not one of them too!
Because i’m an SE and sometimes it’s just obvious to any experienced player when an persons tone of voice and posts are most definitely coming from town.
what do you think about me with your SE power?
I’m not confident on you yet.
I’ll get back to you later when game has progressed a bit.
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Post #67 (isolation #18) » Wed Oct 14, 2020 10:28 pm
Postby Salsabil Faria »
In post 65, Trendall wrote:Ppl saying Zurel is town need to explain why better.
the most important question is that, how do they know about Zurel's role in the first place! and Zurel, please respond, I'm eagerly waiting for your say in this
In post 65, Trendall wrote:Ppl saying Zurel is town need to explain why better.
I thought you would see it.
Zurel is asking a lot of questions that newbtown tend to ask. Such as :"can we refrain from voting", "what are we supposed to do" etc.
I can guarantee you that if you check a lot of newbie games and analyze the type of first-time players that make these kinds comment and are town it would be pretty high percentage.
his/her being newbie doesn't mean that she/he has to be the townie! he/she can a newbie scum too, right? how do you reach the conclusion of his/her being townie here? Maybe you're the scum cause only the mafia can know all players alignment
In post 73, Salsabil Faria wrote:his/her being newbie doesn't mean that she/he has to be the townie! he/she can a newbie scum too, right? how do you reach the conclusion of his/her being townie here?
Their tone in their 3 posts so far have been very town. Newb!scum doesn't have the pre-necessitated skills to fake the type of content they've made, they just don't.
It's true that if i was scum i would know everyone's alignment beforehand.
But calling out someone that could easily be elimination bait later on as town if i'm scum would be contrary to my wincon if i was mafia.
English is not my first language, can you explain me more about the green part of your quote? I don't understand properly
In post 82, Trendall wrote:Honestly, I wouldn't be surprised if Zurel put those questions about replacing etc. in the mafia quick chat and NorwegianboyEE said to them 'say those in the main thread, it'll make you look really town'.
Lol, i've never coached a newbie scum player in my life. And if i did i wouldn't be this blatant about it.
Do you think i'm a proponent of how to lose a game 101?
In post 65, Trendall wrote:Ppl saying Zurel is town need to explain why better.
the most important question is that, how do they know about Zurel's role in the first place! and Zurel, please respond, I'm eagerly waiting for your say in this
I don't even know what kind of respond you expect from me.
like people are arguing about your role.... how it makes you feel?
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Post #175 (isolation #25) » Thu Oct 15, 2020 5:22 am
Postby Salsabil Faria »
In post 117, AuroraDash wrote:Regarding TheDuke, it doesn't look like anybody voted for him until after he made his one post. I think it looked like a random vote -- like the rest of us made -- with some humour thrown in, rather than a reaction to anything.
Salsabil: Does the green text mean anything, or are you using it to make your posts look nice? I'm just curious.
no no, it doesn't mean anything I just love colors, so, decide to use different colored texts in different day thread (only, if I will alive!)
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Post #265 (isolation #31) » Fri Oct 16, 2020 3:09 am
Postby Salsabil Faria »
Most of the things are very confusing to me right now and I'm not very good at giving solid arguments, but I'm trying to give my opinions here as clear as possible (feel free to right me ):
1. NorwegianboyEE & Trendall, both of them are giving good arguments and debating with logics, which are helpful for town, so far they seem townie to me. I also agree with NorwegianboyEE's arguments about Zurel is a townie.
2. Not sure about them yet: TheDuke, wiyvern
3. Feel like a Light Townread: AuroraDash (the two questions he/she/they asked similar to Zurel's questions aka newbie type questions), Town looter
4. Scum: Titus (I don't understand the meta thing or any of his/her/their arguments so far)
In post 190, Trendall wrote:But then if you were being truthful the answer would be 'no, I do not have a meta read, I don't believe in meta', surely?
That would be dishonest. Something can not match meta but not be useful in determining a read.
For instance, if someone made the argument
"Everytime someone wears a blue shirt, it is sunny.
John wears a blue shirt.
Therefore, it is sunny."
We know the premise is bullshit. It can still be sunny and John can still be wearing a blue shirt.
Here, I have a meta read but meta doesn't mean a thing.
I'm officially confused about this 'meta' situation! what does that even mean?
Meta, short for metagame, is a term for the knowledge of how a player or moderator will act based on previous experience.
So said the wiki. Basically, making your judgement on someone's gameplay in this game based on how they played in prior games. Titus and Trendall were arguing about how Titus used to say meta was pointless but right now she kind of contradicted herself on that point.
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Post #269 (isolation #33) » Fri Oct 16, 2020 3:36 am
Postby Salsabil Faria »
In post 268, Zurel wrote:Salsabil, are you still not going to vote anyone? Also, can you choose another colour than that green? It's giving me a headache when I read your post. Sorry.
sorry about my colored text, I will use no color from now on
I will vote, but not right now. Do you know who gets maximum votes and how many?
In post 328, Trendall wrote:Well the only possible setups with a doctor include either a tracker or a cop. So if a townsided person right now is any other town-sided power role (not a vanilla townie), then they know for definite that Titus must be mafia because they can't be in a setup with a doctor at the same time.
I dunno if they should claim or not though, like someone else knows that or can figure that out, I'm terrible at strategy.
Oh, I get it. Yeah, anyone even hinting at a power role will definitely be targetted at night.
If Titus is scum, it's certainly advantageous of her that Wiyvern isn't around. This buys her more time. And how willing is everyone to risk lynching the town doctor? But she's also not saying much anymore, like she has given up trying to convince us.
Try to convince me. I'm gullible.
exactly my point! Titus is just making statements without giving any explanation, which is very shady behavior.
In post 323, Titus wrote:I see there's intent to hammer even if someone said not to. So it's claim time.
I am the doctor.
If you are the
doctor
, then NorwegianboyEE is the
scum
. Now the question is,
who is telleing the TRUTH??
Also, I find your arguments weak in compare to NorwegianboyEE's arguments.
That's because mine are in good faith and not rehearsed.
VLA today. It's Saturday and I normally play DnD with my friends. I may pop on intermittently.
What! It's not making any sense! Are you telling us for believing you only for your words (good faith!!)?? With such an important role, claming on day 1 is either a naive (but you're a SE) move or a scummy (you're lying) move
In post 328, Trendall wrote:Well the only possible setups with a doctor include either a tracker or a cop. So if a townsided person right now is any other town-sided power role (not a vanilla townie), then they know for definite that Titus must be mafia because they can't be in a setup with a doctor at the same time.
I dunno if they should claim or not though, like someone else knows that or can figure that out, I'm terrible at strategy.
Oh, I get it. Yeah, anyone even hinting at a power role will definitely be targetted at night.
If Titus is scum, it's certainly advantageous of her that Wiyvern isn't around. This buys her more time. And how willing is everyone to risk lynching the town doctor? But she's also not saying much anymore, like she has given up trying to convince us.
You said you believed this person to be mafia because he was a mafia in a prior game. I would understand you voting him because of his meta or something. Yet you voted Norway instead, with a reasoning that I cannot see. If you would explain why, that would be nice, thank you.
I was guessing the reason behind Looter's RVS post in the post you quoted.
I originally voted Norway for his only scum deal in absolutes post. That itself is an absolute. That combined with his LAMIST post for defending lynchbait left me confident enough to vote. (LAMIST stands for look at me I am so town.)
Norway then shading me for voting L minus 1 during my catchup and getting all defensive leave me confident enough to vote there.
Norway has continued to be defensive and paint every response as bad. There's no substance to his posts. He townreads everyone who agrees with him. His scumreads, minus me, are just those who haven't posted.
He has zero desire to sort out if he's being buddied or not because he doesn't have to as scum. Notice the totak lack of paranoia at how fast I get run up.
This is either a) scum wagoning a threat or b) a revenge wagon for me fooling him before. I strongly think a due to a lack of sorting or really discussing the motivations of anyone else.
yeah, it's true that NorwegianboyEE is pushing everyone here to lynch you. Like, he is 100% sure that you're a scum, which is also weird!
What I meant there was, one of you is lying. So, if Titus says the truth about her role, then you're the scum here. On the other hand, it's vise versa, you're telling truth, so, Titus fake claimed.
Trendall wrote:I've not played this setup before, so I guess that if somebody has drawn either Jailkeeper, Friendly Neighbour or Mason, they know that that's not true.
I think this is a good approach. Looking at the table of possible setup variations, there's a high probability that
if
it's a fake claim,
then
there will be at least one town power role present who knows that for certain. (I think this'll work in any version of the setup except 1C, which is two vanilla mafia vs. cop). What this means is that we're highly likely to find out if it's fake pretty soon, so I think we should hold off on hammering until then.
Stating the obvious and using it as an excuse to buy time seems scummy to me, but what do I know.
If AD is scum, it's a pretty effective whiteknight. Of course, it could be a good cop bad cop thing.
What do you mean by good cop bad cop here?
One scum (Norway) treats everything I say as bad.
The other scum (AD) treats things I say as possibly good. The idea is to crack the target into saying things they otherwise wouldn't.
What I meant there was, one of you is lying. So, if Titus says the truth about her role, then you're the scum here. On the other hand, it's vise versa, you're telling truth, so, Titus fake claimed.
There is also the possibility that they're both town and mafias are just taking advantage of the chaos by taking a back seat and watch town goes after another. Therefore, even if Titus's claim is true, it doesn't guarantee that Norway is lying. And vice versa.
Not sure about that yet.... what I feel right now, I tell. Also, is it possible we have 3 mafias in our set up?
What I meant there was, one of you is lying. So, if Titus says the truth about her role, then you're the scum here. On the other hand, it's vise versa, you're telling truth, so, Titus fake claimed.
That’s what i don’t like about your post. As i know i am town, if Titus is confirmed town it still doesn’t change the fact that it could be TvT. Not saying it necesarilly is as i still don’t trust Titus at all. But pushing the narrative that i HAVE to be scum if Titus isn’t is very suspicious.
It seems like everything is very suspicious for you, but whatever, I feel either Titus or you is lying, so I strongly feel that one of you is town and the other one is mafia.
In post 414, NorwegianboyEE wrote:Trendall, while we wait for someone to hammer or Titus to return.
Who's your reads on scum if Titus was town. And who do you think would be likely teammate to Titus if they are scum?
1. You guys all went around saying ‘Zurel asked a question so they’re town’, so nowadays later on in the game
Salsabil Faria is asking questions like ‘can there be three mafia?’
to make themselves look more town or something.
2. NorwgianboyEE post 410 looks really bad because new players do this stuff all the time. Again it’s so arbitrary like…Zurel did a thing that wasn’t indicative of alignment whatsoever and gets a townread for it on the basis that it’s ‘genuine noobiness’ even though they were literally not even a new player (aahaha), but when Salsabil Faria makes an actual very common newbie error, they are ‘sus’.
4. Nobody had any good reason to think Zurel was town from those questions at the start of the game, as you all now know. Because you were all like ‘that’s a genuine newbie asking genuine newbie questions and I'd know because I've played this game before' and you were all wrong and it wasn't even a newbie lol so...
Thank you for brought these points up here. I cut the points 3 & 5 because it's not relevant to my answer.
For 1st point here, I asked the question (green marked) because initially, Zurel's statements seemed genuine noob but when the conversations/arguments increasing, Zurel's statements seemed more like an experienced player to me (I wanted to ask if Zurel play the mafia game before but NorwegianboyEE asked the question already), then our mod updated the vote count and I saw there Titus has 3 votes against are and the voters are Zurel, NorwegianboyEE and Trendall. As the mod can change the game set up, so I thought if 3 mafias were a possibility or not.
For 2nd and 4th point, I totally agree with you specially point 2 is very hillarious
In my defense, it would have been easier for me to continue pretending ignorance and let those who believed I was a noob plus town to read me so. I would have flown under the radar, at least for this phase, and if I was scum lynching town that would have been good job me.
When I made a comment against going after Salsabil, I was fully aware that someone might realise that I was not actually a noob.
But I decided not to play it safe anymore.
sounds like you get caught, so you decide to agree to save your own skin
In my defense, it would have been easier for me to continue pretending ignorance and let those who believed I was a noob plus town to read me so. I would have flown under the radar, at least for this phase, and if I was scum lynching town that would have been good job me.
When I made a comment against going after Salsabil, I was fully aware that someone might realise that I was not actually a noob.
But I decided not to play it safe anymore.
sounds like you get caught, so you decide to agree to save your own skin
True, I did get caught. Because I wanted to, or I would not have continuously answered your questions like an experienced player.
Naaah! Between you, NorwegianboyEE and Titus, something doesn't feel right here.
- Analysis of whether the doctor claim is real, and whether any players have counter claimed Titus’s claim -
Zurel: Not likely scum with Titus due to not understanding CC argument in post 327. [Not CC’ing PR]
Town Looter: Unvotes and says no CC means we’re not eliminating there. Hesitatingly suggests they might be ok with the elimination because Titus is playing like their scum meta but doesn’t hammer the vote on the wagon. [Not CC’ing PR]
Salsabil Faria: Pushing SvT narrative. Claims to like my arguments better. Doesn’t seem like scum with Titus unless there’s theatre. [Not CC’ing PR]
TheDuke: Encourages wait for CC. Later says we shouldn’t eliminate Titus. [Not CC’ing PR]
Wyvern: Says we shouldn’t eliminate Titus because the claim isn’t CC’ed. [Not CC’ing PR]
Trendall: Didn’t unvote. Encourages any PR’s to CC Titus if they can. Not scum with Titus. [Not CC’ing PR]
Norwee: [
Vanilla Town
]
AuroraDash: Unvotes and encourages PR’s to CC. Later votes Titus again. [Might or might not be CC’ing PR?]
CC= Counter Claim
PR= Power Role
Conclusions=
Titus is the real doctor. Only 1 slot might plausibly be seen as a slot that soft counterclaimed Titus. There has to be 2 if Titus’s claim was fake.
We are either in setup A1 (
Town cop
/
Town doctor
VS
Mafia Roleblocker
), or B3 (
Town Tracker
/
Town Doctor
VS
Mafia Rolecop
).
The reason i claimed
VT
in this post is because by unvoting it already proves to everyone that i could never be one of the town PR's. Because if so i would either have unvoted Titus from the start of their claim, or i would not have unvoted now. If i was a PR with Titus i wouldn't even need to analyze as I would already have known from the start whether Titus's doctor claim was likely true or blatantly false.
what is SvT narrative?
and a SE has a vanilla town role in a newbie game??? hmmmm......
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Post #557 (isolation #54) » Tue Oct 20, 2020 3:01 am
Postby Salsabil Faria »
From page 1 to page 19, NorwegianboyEE and Titus went hell bound to prove that the other one is scum here. Now, all of a sudden, NorwegianboyEE unvote Titus by saying that he believes her being a doctor and after that Titus also unvote NorwegianboyEE by saying that she needs a fresh mind to scum read anyone!!! I mean, if it's not a staged performance, then I don't know what else!
I think they both are mafias, they made this strategy on their personal mafia chat thread to uncover a power role by claiming a power role, but as no one is counterclaimed, so they change their strategy again. And I don't believe, in a newbie game, a SE has nothing except a power role.
It absolutely isn't. But I said I wanted a lynch so I would give you a lynch.
that doesn't make sense at all! If you're a town, then pushing yourself to get lynch is a horrible move another possibility is, you are not the town at all
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Post #562 (isolation #57) » Tue Oct 20, 2020 3:25 am
Postby Salsabil Faria »
In post 523, Town looter wrote:Any particular reason why I am scummy, Trendall? Keen to understand your reasoning on that read.
For me:
Zural is a pain, I genuinely red them as town, then I started getting the same bad vibes NEE got when the experience indicative posting started, then they go all weird. I am a sucker for AtE, and I think they are genuinely struggling with the very long days so leaning town on them for now, but super low confidence read
Trendall feels pretty towny, motivations and suspicions line up with reasonable town play (e.g. taking issue with NEE's and my TR of Zural early on), town for now
AD and Duke I haven't paid much attention to; when I ISO'd them a while back I initially thought both could be classed as careful lurkers, with Duke worse that AD, but both kinda in the light scum read space (hence the pressure vote on Duke). However, their activity has picked up, I just haven't taken a good look at their posts (especially AD). This is on the to-do list
Salsabil I think is either newbie town, or a fairly skilled (and experienced) scum/deep fake, I don't think a newbie makes the posts she has as scum
which posts of mine make you think I'm scum? And I'm not an experienced mafia player.
Wivyern or whatever their name is null (nothing to read) but possible scum from the lurking; pending my assessment of AD and Duke, I would propose this is a good elimination for today unless we go with Titus.
NEE and Titus are town and probable scum respectively as previously mentioned. I have slept on my Titus read and I am quite comfortable eliminating her, mostly on the grounds of if she is a Doc, it isn't a huge loss for town because her PR has lost all utility from claiming anyway
Also, NEE's and Zural's claims (and NEE's analysis) do give slightly more support to Titus' claim in as much they (on the surface at least, could be some big brain 4d chess shit going on) rule out either of them being a doc who doesn't want to openly CC.
I guess I will chuck a vote down once I check out AD/Duke.
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Post #563 (isolation #58) » Tue Oct 20, 2020 3:38 am
Postby Salsabil Faria »
In post 544, Trendall wrote:If Titus is town then that means we get another lynch and a night kill where two people flip, so I'd then decide on the back of that. If I had to decide at this point, I'd say lynch Titus. If I'm absolutely forced to pick elsewhere at this point -
It seems unlikely that NorwegianboyEE is mafia. Given that two of the people on the wagon said they wouldn't regret the lynch even if it flipped town, NorwegianboyEE didn't have much to worry about in the way of players turning round and saying 'NorwegianboyEE looks suspect now for lynching a town' - like they'd have to take that from Salsabil Faria but I dunno why they've got rumbled by that seeing as that's just normal newbie behaviour, thinking one person in an altercation must be mafia and the other must be town. Anyway NorwegianboyEE is probably town.
AuroraDash has done nothing unreasonable all game. I've been in games with players like this before where like, they follow the game, their points correspond to the game rather than some fantasy world in their heads, they don't misword or exaggerate things other people have said, their line of thinking follows rather than just being nonsense, they can articulate their points clearly, they're polite and you don't have to deal with any weird emotional or ego stuff from them, and then at the end of the game they flip mafia. Because of course, why not? I just have no reason to suspect AuroraDash at all at the moment other than 'yeah sometimes the player in the game who can think clearly draws mafia'.
I don't think TheDuke is likely maf, they're on the AuroraDash wagon. As mafia, why? Pick an easy target like Zurel or Salsabil Faria or try to turn it around on me. Plus I don't see anything wrong with their posts when I iso them.
Doesn't seem hugely likely to me that wiyvern is mafia but obviously we don't know a lot about this person.
This leaves me with Town looter, who wrote a suspect 'sitting on both sides of the fence' post in 432. Like I say from that it just really looks like he's Titus's partner, but if not I'm gonna go that Town looter is mafia and then one of Zurel/Salsabil Faria is the other one -
Movie Fact: The beginning of the animated feature Aladdin, where the merchant was trying to sell goods was achieved by giving Robin Williams a box full of random items and telling him to have fun.
Can anyone tell me about it please?
Bad joke!
btw, how do I know, you're not one of them too! 
![:]](./images/smilies/icon_smiling.png "Cheerful Smile")
(only, if I will alive!) 
another possibility is, you are not the town at all 
have a great day/night everyone 