Newbie 2035 - Movie Facts (Game Over)

[Town looter]

VOTE: Titus AND VOTE: Norway

You know why.

[Town looter]

But since, this is a newbie game, I probably shouldn't confuse things: I can't actually vote for two people, it was a joke.

UNVOTE:

VOTE: Norwegian Lad

Also this is my last newbie game as a newbie

[Town looter]

Zurel is town.

Like slap in the face town.

Best case they are super deep wolf and screw us over. But I suspect not.

[Town looter]

So this will go on for ten literal days? What do people even talk about?

Basically we create this awesome echo-less chamber (like an echo chamber but the opposite 'cause no one agrees with anyone else) where we all over think the shit out of everything.

It's like fun and anti-fun at the same time.

[Town looter]

An obvious newbie can’t be a deepwolf.

That's why it's like best case. Odds are they're newbie and town-told, but it'd be cool if they were like some classically trained actor who wrote a plausible script from the get go.

Yes. I have been drinking.

[Town looter]

Looter, i’ve always wanted to ask what your username comes from.

Don't, it's like some stupid shit from when I was 19. And I am 38.

(I played a few games here as Lootifer years ago, which was my username for gaming back in the day, which was based on Loot, which I liked... for like... reasons... urgh)

[Town looter]

Oh and it was about the time when there was looting in the US and I have a dark troll-side.

Also, turns out you are scum eh? Weird plot twist this early on.

[Town looter]

Zurel is town.

how do you know that??

Because i’m an SE and sometimes it’s just obvious to any experienced player when an persons tone of voice and posts are most definitely coming from town.

what do you think about me with your SE power?

He knows your alignment because he is scum

[Town looter]

Are you referring to me or Salsa and based on what?

You, just in the feels, chaknow?

[Town looter]

Come on man. It's a newbie game.

[Town looter]

Shit that was an interesting read. Lots of information to work with.

UNVOTE: Norwegian

Bit of ground to cover, gimme a sec.

[Town looter]

This is how I got to Town!Zurel, since it's been heavily debated, I think it worth posting my reasoning:

If I die early, can I put my name in the next newbie game sign-up? Or can I already do that now?

VOTE: NorwegianboyEE
Reason: Because.

Thanks. I'll see what I'm going to do once I get a hang of the game.

So for this random stage, is it necessary for us to get someone eliminated? Also, can someone refrain from voting? Because they're pacifist maybe.

These two posts demonstrate genuine noobiness - consistent lack of understanding across

both

how the site works and how the game works. I don't someone faking noobiness doing this.

So this will go on for ten literal days? What do people even talk about?

And then I don't see newb scum making this post. I can't see lack of content/conversation ever featuring in a scum thought process - unless they literally didn't even read the rules before they started posting, I think this comment comes from town 9 times out of 10.

[Town looter]

his/her being newbie doesn't mean that she/he has to be the townie! he/she can a newbie scum too, right? how do you reach the conclusion of his/her being townie here?

Their tone in their 3 posts so far have been very town. Newb!scum doesn't have the pre-necessitated skills to fake the type of content they've made, they just don't.
It's true that if i was scum i would know everyone's alignment beforehand. But calling out someone that could easily be elimination bait later on as town if i'm scum would be contrary to my wincon if i was mafia.

Not if you knew I wouldn't let you get away with denying his towniness.

For those wondering about what Titus means here:

- Let's say Zural says something very towny
- Let's say Norway is the sort of person to pick up on this when they themselves are town, and call it out
- Let's say Titus knows this about Norway and sits back and observes their reaction to towny thing Zural said
- Let's say Norway is scum, but is self-aware enough to know he needs to call out the towny thing Zural said because he knows someone like Titus might notice if he doesn't
- Norway then makes post calling Zural town, not because they want to solve the game, but because they know they need to keep up appearances

[Town looter]

^^ Note I don't believe that scenario

[Town looter]

I wonder if Looter and Duke realised that Norway already had votes when they put in their votes.

Mine was an RVS vote shortly after yours.

It's not uncommon for "flash wagons" or E-2/E-1 during RVS as people tend to troll more during this phase, plus it's often used as a reaction test (especially in newbies).

[Town looter]

Your responses have been terrible though and much different than Manatee's mafia, which I am sure TL sees that too.

Before I share my thoughts on Norway, humour me for a second: What is it you are seeing that is different?

[Town looter]

Hello!

Just going off a gut feeling here,
VOTE: NorwegianboyEE
This is an incredibly reliable method of decision and he is absolutely 100% scum.

UNVOTE:
I'm not really comfortable with voting any more until I get some more information.

VOTE: TheDuke

This is a good wagon.

Also just for my own reference. since it's been a while since a VC...

Spoiler:

Movie Fact: Taxi Driver was originally going to have an X Rating for being too bloody, but Scorsese had the colors de-saturated, making the brightly colored blood less prominent.

Votecount 1.01

NorwegianboyEE (3):

Zurel, Town looter, TheDuke

TheDuke (1):

NorewegianboyEE

Trendall (1):

Titus

wiyvern (1):

AuroraDash

Not Voting (3):

Salsabil Faria, wiyvern, Trendall

With 9 alive, it takes 5 votes to eliminate.
The Day 1 will end in (expired on 2020-10-25 09:30:00)

Hello!

Just going off a gut feeling here,
VOTE: NorwegianboyEE
This is an incredibly reliable method of decision and he is absolutely 100% scum.

Only a scum deals in absolutes.
VOTE: TheDuke

Isn't only scum an absolute?

VOTE: NorwegianboyEE

VOTE: Unvote

It would be a tragedy for someone to be eliminated this early. Also, I imagine the game would be quiet without Norway.

VOTE: Titus

UNVOTE:
I'm not really comfortable with voting any more until I get some more information.

Shit that was an interesting read. Lots of information to work with.

UNVOTE: Norwegian

Bit of ground to cover, gimme a sec.

[Town looter]

We have heaps of time to string out Titus if we need to, but I am keen to get Duke posting now.

[Town looter]

Jeez, you know it's a slow game when I am near the top of the activity list...

[Town looter]

Your responses have been terrible though and much different than Manatee's mafia, which I am sure TL sees that too.

Before I share my thoughts on Norway, humour me for a second: What is it you are seeing that is different?

[Town looter]

Nobody hammer (if you do, you are getting eliminated tomorrow), and I'd prefer nobody pushed for a quite claim quite yet. I have a developing read on Titus, but I don't have time tonight to pull it together.

I will make sure I get to tomorrow.

[Town looter]

Nobody hammer (

if you do, you are getting eliminated tomorrow

), and I'd prefer nobody pushed for a quite claim quite yet. I have a developing read on Titus, but I don't have time tonight to pull it together.

I will make sure I get to tomorrow.

Unless Titus flips scum of course lol.

[Town looter]

No, I need to sit down and actually do some analysis.

I recently went head to head with her, so feel I am in a good position to form a read. This is complicated by your involvement/association in the interactions (not saying you are a scum team or anything like that, but your read of her is extremely relevant). My gut says she is scum, and we should shoot her off to the dead thread ASAP, but I want to be sure. This is because I

know

the difference between scum!Titus/town!Norway and town!Titus/scum!Norway (or TvT for that matter) is not going to be an easy one to separate.

[Town looter]

I was responding to Norway btw.

[Town looter]

Hi all, sorry I am super busy with real life stuff, so haven't caught up. But I did see that Titus has claimed Doc, so I probably don't need to case her right away.

If no one counter claims Titus we aren't eliminating her right? Like isn't she's semi-confirmed town without a counter claim, so can we just let that slot resolve itself, or am I being dumb...?

Also UNVOTE: , kinda achieved what I wanted it to.

[Town looter]

Ok, so. Let's put the claim to one side for a second.

I know you are going to hate me referencing Manatee's game again NEE, but bear with me, it's important (arguably this is the only appropriate use of meta, in my mind - it's fresh and relevant to the gamestate)

Norway is basically in the same mindset and mode that I am used to from our one game together, with a uncanny amount of little tells (please don't make me dig them up) that would make his scum game exceptional if he is in fact scum here - odds are he is town.

Now the important bit. Titus is also playing the same. She was scum in that game.

I have looked at some of Titus' town games. Her scum-hunting when town is analytical and, well, intellectual. This isn't present, her approach is muddling (as in she seems to be adding confusion rather than clarity to the discussion).

Based on meta alone (which i'll freely admit isn't a complete argument), she is scum here.

99 times out of 100 I am against eliminating a non-CC'd PR. In fact I still am.

However, given the setup, even if she is town, she's getting NK'd, RB'd or even eliminated when our paranoia peaks out (probably tomorrow, knowing NEE). So her being a doc, now that she has claimed, is worth bugger all to town.

There is also 3-4 people (Zural, Trendall, AD and NEE iirc) keen to continue a Titus elimination, which is more than 2, therefore has a town presence.

Theeeerrrrrefore, I would be maybe, kinda, just a little bit (but not really) be ok with a Titus elimination.

[Town looter]

Wait why would we kill titus if nobody's cced their claim?
I get they're acting scummy, but it's still an uncountered claim

This is my logic too. Yes, he's acting scummy, but unless someobe CC's his claim, then we're most likely voting out an innocent townie for no reason.

See above.

I agree with you except: we might be in cop/VT setup or a real doc/JK/masons might already be on the wagon.

pedit: agree, Zurel is, fmpov, null leaning scummy following finding out they are not genuine noob. Also my d1 reads are utter shit.

[Town looter]

ELIMINATE ALL ELIARS

[Town looter]

You're both bellends and I am awesome.

[Town looter]

You're both bellends and I am awesome.

What?

The choice of insult was largely based on who I was trying to insult (while still trying to insult you both).

I am keeping my dissertation on the intellectual superiority of Swedes in reserve for when I feel you deserve to be the recipient of some banter.

[Town looter]

No but, like... why are you insulting us? I don't get it.

Yikes, tough crowd, forget I said anything.

[Town looter]

Were you making a joke? Sorry, not my type of humor i guess.

Haha, that's what I love about Scandinavians, this is either a genuine reaction or a top class burn, and you will never know which.

[Town looter]

Anyway, im going to bed. You chaps enjoy the rest of your morning.

[Town looter]

Any particular reason why I am scummy, Trendall? Keen to understand your reasoning on that read.

For me:

• Zural is a pain, I genuinely red them as town, then I started getting the same bad vibes NEE got when the experience indicative posting started, then they go all weird. I am a sucker for AtE, and I think they are genuinely struggling with the very long days so leaning town on them for now, but super low confidence read
  
• Trendall feels pretty towny, motivations and suspicions line up with reasonable town play (e.g. taking issue with NEE's and my TR of Zural early on), town for now
  
• AD and Duke I haven't paid much attention to; when I ISO'd them a while back I initially thought both could be classed as careful lurkers, with Duke worse that AD, but both kinda in the light scum read space (hence the pressure vote on Duke). However, their activity has picked up, I just haven't taken a good look at their posts (especially AD). This is on the to-do list
  
• Salsabil I think is either newbie town, or a fairly skilled (and experienced) scum/deep fake, I don't think a newbie makes the posts she has as scum
  
• Wivyern or whatever their name is null (nothing to read) but possible scum from the lurking; pending my assessment of AD and Duke, I would propose this is a good elimination for today unless we go with Titus.
  
• NEE and Titus are town and probable scum respectively as previously mentioned. I have slept on my Titus read and I am quite comfortable eliminating her, mostly on the grounds of if she is a Doc, it isn't a huge loss for town because her PR has lost all utility from claiming anyway

Also, NEE's and Zural's claims (and NEE's analysis) do give slightly more support to Titus' claim in as much they (on the surface at least, could be some big brain 4d chess shit going on) rule out either of them being a doc who doesn't want to openly CC.

I guess I will chuck a vote down once I check out AD/Duke.

[Town looter]

After reviewing AD their only strong alignment indicative (AI) play is around Titus. If Titus flips green I would suggest we take a look at AD, but otherwise their play seems mildly townie.

Duke, is harder to read, pretty null, but the lack of activity and content is still bugging me (says someone who has been eliminated previously for their lack of activity... )

[Town looter]

So unless we policy eliminate Zural (deception) or wiyvern (low activity), I suggest we truck on with a Titus elimination.

Although I am willing to be convinced otherwise on this.

VOTE: Titus

E-1

[Town looter]

But you aren't conftown, and this is one of the tells I am basing my read on.

Town!Titus acknowledges their position transparently. Scum!Titus is blunt and aggressive.

[Town looter]

[*]Salsabil I think is either newbie town, or a fairly skilled (and experienced) scum/deep fake, I don't think a newbie makes the posts she has as scum

which posts of mine make you think I'm scum? And I'm not an experienced mafia player.

What I am saying I the only scenario where I see you as scum is if you are putting on an elaborate ruse in terms of your understanding of the game and experience.

[Town looter]

Because the way that they place their vote back on Titus to me makes them look like they're trying to be actually helpful and ensure a lynch takes place. They're actually in the same boat as me, they have their own independently constructed argument as to why Titus is mafia and don't value the doctor role that much anyway so are happy to lynch Titus. However the difference between me and them I

think

is that they're worried that somebody's going to turn round and suspect them for wanting to lynch an unccd power role later on, whereas I'm just not worried about that, I don't care. So it's like...they're thinking roughly along the same lines as me, and I'm town, so they can be town too.

If Titus turns out to be mafia then I'm suspicious of them but if Titus is town then I think they look good.

Interesting...

Do I come across as worried? obviously, certain things are due to my playstyle and personality.

I suggest you take a look at my other games, I often fence sit and over-analyse.

[Town looter]

Sorry team. Have a house full of tiny person spew. Not good times.

So I am broadly in favour of eliminating AD - I don’t really scum read them, but the way d1 went down I think it is the best option. You can assume this is intent to hammer, so AD please claim.

Also I kind of agree with Marky Mark: unless someone can explain why scum didn’t kill last night we either have FN/JK or Doc/Tracker. So if you are a Doc, FN or JK then DONT claim, but if you are a tracker then claiming is the optimal play.

[Town looter]

Ok sorry guys been a horror weekend, but doesn't matter anyway. I have read as far as this post:

Okay, I am the Tracker. Last night, I investigated AuroraDash. Aurora visited Trendall, which means that they're either scum who tried to NK Trendall, or the doctor who successfully saved Trendall. If the doctor claims, then we'll know for sure and be able to eliminate AD and win.

I am doc, I protected Trendall last night.

G fn G.

VOTE: AD

[Town looter]

Lol 4 minutes apart, sorry for making you work for it AD.

GG.

Also feel free to elim me today if you guys are feeling edgy. Although that would ruin a flawless victory

Also Sorry Titus/AD I wasn't fucking with you guys on purpose, I genuinely had a very shit weekend.

[Town looter]

Because the way that they place their vote back on Titus to me makes them look like they're trying to be actually helpful and ensure a lynch takes place. They're actually in the same boat as me, they have their own independently constructed argument as to why Titus is mafia and don't value the doctor role that much anyway so are happy to lynch Titus. However the difference between me and them I

think

is that they're worried that somebody's going to turn round and suspect them for wanting to lynch an unccd power role later on, whereas I'm just not worried about that, I don't care. So it's like...they're thinking roughly along the same lines as me, and I'm town, so they can be town too.

If Titus turns out to be mafia then I'm suspicious of them but if Titus is town then I think they look good.

I

nteresting...

D

o I come across as worried?

o

bviously,

c

ertain things are due to my playstyle and personality.

I suggest you take a look at my other games, I often fence sit and over-analyse.

I made this post when I Titus wagon started falling apart and wanted to see if any of the experienced guys spotted it.

I 100% thought it was why Titus did what they did, but it made no sense that Titus saw this and then I lived through the night. I'm guessing a) Titus really hates rolling scum, b) drama in the Scum PT or c) all of the above.

Colour added by me of course.

[Town looter]

It was why I was pushing hard for Tracker claim, but yeah, I actually was afk for like 2.5 days.

[Town looter]

Good games guys.

I am pretty happy I played a part in getting Titus to scum claim, and while honesty is usually the best approach for town, especially in Newbies, I stand by not counter claiming.

I figure fake doc claims at best will buy you a day, where as me staying alive can facilitate an easy town win (see: follow the cop/tracker).

[Town looter]

Also I did have a meta read on both of you (NEE and Titus), even before Doc claim.

[Town looter]

Thanks Brass, I love your response to the night actions lol.

[Town looter]

Yeah, thanks. This was a really great game, and I hope to play with some of you guys again sometime.

Great work on the track PR buddy