Newbie 2063 | Sweets | Game Over

[Meuh]

Goood morning everyone! VOTE:

Kristopher

Having both an "e" and an "h" in your name is very suspicious...

[Meuh]

Goood morning everyone! VOTE:

Kristopher

Having both an "e" and an "h" in your name is very suspicious...

Why is that?

It's something my great grandfather taught me... i don't remember why he said it was sus though
My parents got disowned when they dared to name me something with both of those letters, very frowned upon thing to do

Hey everyone! Fourth game here just coming off of a win I had next to nothing to do with

Goood morning everyone! VOTE:

Kristopher

Having both an "e" and an "h" in your name is very suspicious...

I agree, VOTE: Meuh.

Not gonna lie, I totally almost called you Marci

I'm flattered!! Marci's the best mafia player alive
Also yes you had everything to do with it!


Oh we should probably mention this as early as possible; me, Pear, T3 and VFP just played newbie 2061 (viewtopic.php?f=11&t=86289) all together, so there's probably gonna be mentions of that at some point
If anyone likes reading into past games this is probably the best one to look at

[Meuh]

Is this eh joke something I’m not getting

It's an RVS justifying joke and I just threw more bullshit into it when you pushed on it

I have 3 town reads page 1.

Wheme
Meuh
T3

Pear has disappointed me already though with such a bland entrance!
I feel another push is going to happen

I like this post in terms of making the game progress but SE helpfulness is NAI
Now that I think about it, I don't think I've ever seen town leaders or even just SEs be scum, so idk if I'm that good at picking up hints on those then
I see no reason not to be comfortable with VFP atm though

Also, since Marci isn't in the game, anyone not auto town me out of T3, Meuh, and Pear are scum.

Advice to anyone new, feel free to add a profile picture. It helps other players identify you easily.
With that said, T3 never will it seems!

I don't get that first line, can you explain?

Also yessss, I can ask Marci to dig up her anime pfp stash, we can get you guys some great pfps

[Meuh]

Going after the replacements?

Exactly!
Easy pickings.

That's probably true, although picking a townie is usually not a good idea. May I ask for the reason of your suspicions?

What is it with all this questioning on jokes

I mean at least it's probably good for game progression, I just find it funny for someone to go like "I'm mafia!11!!!!" and then get a a serious answer in return lmao

[Meuh]

Wheme for trying to push out of RVS
Meuh for continuing the joke in 13 instead of back tracking, ignoring, or panicking.
T3 because I have played with enough to get a read from his opening post.

Did you not care about my Pear dislike?

I did care about the Pear dislike but asking that question in the post just didn't feel right.

I couldn't think of how to work it into the post without it feeling stilted.

Reads:
VFP is likely town for getting a discussion going and explaining their thought processes.
Slight town lean on Meuh for the reasons we have both already stated.
Everyone else null.

Could you send some links to the T3 games that make you think he's town?

So, at first this put me off, why would townies be so concerned about being stilted? (Best strat is to not care and just move along ) But I don't see why scum!Symbio would just admit to avoiding stilted posting, there's nothing to benefit from it?
So I'm leantown on Symbio for this post

[Meuh]

Let me make a readslist! Format I'm using may be a bit uncommon but I think it's fairly simple to understand, I'm excluding everyone who hasn't done anything to ping me

Spoiler:

TTT = Confirmed town
TT = Strong town read
T = Town read
/T = Town lean
/ = Neutral
/M = Mafia lean
M = Mafia read
MM = Strong mafia read
MMM = Confirmed mafia

VFP (/)

All they've done is be gamesolvey and help, but I don't think that means anything in regards to alignment. I don't really feel very strongly about them.
Regardless, I'm fine with establishing VFP as town core for today and then reevaluate this read tomorrow, I can't really see myself wanting to elim this slot unless something major changes.

That's how I felt about Norwee though and we all saw how that went

Weuler (/M)

31 is ehhh to me, I don't like it

Symbio (/T)

Explained in my previous post

[Meuh]

Goood morning everyone! VOTE:

Kristopher

Having both an "e" and an "h" in your name is very suspicious...

Why is that?

Wheme for trying to push out of RVS
Meuh for continuing the joke in 13 instead of back tracking, ignoring, or panicking.
T3 because I have played with enough to get a read from his opening post.

Did you not care about my Pear dislike?

I get the pushing out of RVS stuff but I could easily see their questioning on my joke be an attempt to bait a newbie into saying something dumb, just scum!Wheme asking questions until a poor angelic townie says something wrong and then jumping onto it as a push

[Meuh]

Also VFP could you explain your read/dislike of Pear? That'd be nice

[Meuh]

Honorary NoAvi Masonry
VFP me and my meta I think is towny.
This isn't Symbiosis's first game....
Just seems oo informed abouut the mechanics of mafia.
Well a nyways, Meuh, can you elaborate on the Weuler scumread?

31 just seemed like taking a joke way too seriously, and I view an incapability to engage in jokes or just less serious gameplay to be scummy since the pressure that's put on scum would probably make it harder for them to do it? Might just be a playstyle thing though
I don't really have an issue with the other posts
Obviously that singular post will matter less as the game goes along and more posts are made but I felt that it was worth pointing out

[Meuh]

Jokes are done now?

Well anyways from what I've felt in past games outside of the forum, maybe the mafia works differently in this country but generally scim I've been tend to generally keep things in rvs as long as possible so nothing really gets done

Weuler does sound accusing but geven we're all newbies it very much could be an opposite, that he's trying to pick up anything

Yeah, I understand that getting the game out of rvs is important, if players ONLY joke around it does get a bit suspicious, but there's ways to make jokes while still making the game progress.
Yeah Weuler's tone in that post just feels odd, but ig it's better than for him to just do nothing

[Meuh]

VOTE:

The Bulge

Applying pressure on the least active player
I hate it when people send a singular message and then leave do they even care about us??

[Meuh]

I do hope you guys get pfps, I'm gonna end up getting Symbi (is that an okay nickname with you?), Kris (does that nickname work?) and T3 mixed up in my mind because I don't have an image to attach to them
If you guys have pfps you'll stick out of the crowd!! everyone will love you!!! my life improved 50x when i got a pfp, 10/10 would recommend, my offer for the anime pfps still stands

[Meuh]

I do hope you guys get pfps, I'm gonna end up getting Symbi (is that an okay nickname with you?), Kris (does that nickname work?) and T3 mixed up in my mind because I don't have an image to attach to them
If you guys have pfps you'll stick out of the crowd!! everyone will love you!!! my life improved 50x when i got a pfp, 10/10 would recommend, my offer for the anime pfps still stands

Also i accept your offer

Anything in particular you're looking for?

[Meuh]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/ ... /PFP_2.png I think this should work as an avatar? I tried make sure it'd work with the restrictions of the website but it might not

[Meuh]

It just looks like a question mark but that could be due to the fact that I'm on a 2013 Kindle paperwhite.

That's probably it? The link works fine on my end, both on phone and computer.

[Meuh]

I have arrived

Uhh you're a bit late Jedleo, you got replaced and aren't playing in this game anymore

[Meuh]

feeling

VOTE: Symbiosis

I think this already got asked but reasoning would be nice

I do hope you guys get pfps, I'm gonna end up getting Symbi (is that an okay nickname with you?), Kris (does that nickname work?) and T3 mixed up in my mind because I don't have an image to attach to them
If you guys have pfps you'll stick out of the crowd!! everyone will love you!!! my life improved 50x when i got a pfp, 10/10 would recommend, my offer for the anime pfps still stands

Also i accept your offer

Anything in particular you're looking for?

I'm thinking something similar to your's actually. (Which seems to have disappeared for some reason)

It disappeared??? My whole sense of identity is gone now
I can try finding you one that's similar, what did you think about the one I sent?

[Meuh]

full disclosure, I, Kris, am a weeb.

Also btw I just read through the forum while not half asleep, and my meh view on Mueler has gone slightly on scumread now that I look at it, mostly due to the 'going after townie' thing which kinda feels a bit 'hey everyone, I'm just like you I swear!' as well as me JUST realsiing VFP was talking about him as well so it sounds defensive

So FOS: Weuler (Please tell me FOSes are still a thing)

Sorry that first line was just too good
You're leantown on VFP though, so do you think him being defensive of Weuler is relevant at all?
Also yes FOSes are a thing

Also, since Marci isn't in the game, anyone not auto town me out of T3, Meuh, and Pear are scum.

Advice to anyone new, feel free to add a profile picture. It helps other players identify you easily.
With that said, T3 never will it seems!

Just go over why 6 was considered as serious though, Wheme?
But it's now time for work so I'll pick this up later.

I don’t like how he made his reasoning in a separate post

What's wrong with that?

VFP getting the discussion going despite joking about stuff is enough to get me a very very slight townread out of them

I will say for Meuh as well that I while I understand timezones and omg people have busy lives, Pear and Bulge are being a bit quiet

I don't think scum!Pear at least would be deliberately less active because of alignment, idk about Bulge though. I agree that more from both of them would be nice though, getting some discussion going is nice

[Meuh]

I do hope you guys get pfps, I'm gonna end up getting Symbi (is that an okay nickname with you?), Kris (does that nickname work?) and T3 mixed up in my mind because I don't have an image to attach to them
If you guys have pfps you'll stick out of the crowd!! everyone will love you!!! my life improved 50x when i got a pfp, 10/10 would recommend, my offer for the anime pfps still stands

Also i accept your offer

Anything in particular you're looking for?

I'm thinking something similar to your's actually. (Which seems to have disappeared for some reason)

It disappeared??? My whole sense of identity is gone now
I can try finding you one that's similar, what did you think about the one I sent?

It's okay but not what I had in mind

I'll dig up something else then

[Meuh]

I do hope you guys get pfps, I'm gonna end up getting Symbi (is that an okay nickname with you?), Kris (does that nickname work?) and T3 mixed up in my mind because I don't have an image to attach to them
If you guys have pfps you'll stick out of the crowd!! everyone will love you!!! my life improved 50x when i got a pfp, 10/10 would recommend, my offer for the anime pfps still stands

Also i accept your offer

Anything in particular you're looking for?

I'm thinking something similar to your's actually. (Which seems to have disappeared for some reason)

It disappeared??? My whole sense of identity is gone now
I can try finding you one that's similar, what did you think about the one I sent?

It's okay but not what I had in mind

I'll dig up something else then

I'll just send a bunch of links, if you like one I'll size it properly for the site so you can use it!

1. https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/ ... dv2_hq.png
2. https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/ ... 00x400.jpg
3. https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/ ... age0-2.jpg
4. https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/ ... av5dtf.png
5. https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/ ... /85469.png

[Meuh]

Until Bulge starts talking I'm going to go with

VOTE: The Bulge

PS: There are a lot of votes that weren't counted on last page. Probably because the voter forgot to unvote their last choice. E.g I should have at least 1 vote on me.

@Mod

Are we supposed to unvote before voting again? That's not something I've ever seen before.
Alrighty then
UNVOTE:
and
VOTE:

The Bulge

[Meuh]

I do hope you guys get pfps, I'm gonna end up getting Symbi (is that an okay nickname with you?), Kris (does that nickname work?) and T3 mixed up in my mind because I don't have an image to attach to them
If you guys have pfps you'll stick out of the crowd!! everyone will love you!!! my life improved 50x when i got a pfp, 10/10 would recommend, my offer for the anime pfps still stands

Also i accept your offer

Anything in particular you're looking for?

I'm thinking something similar to your's actually. (Which seems to have disappeared for some reason)

It disappeared??? My whole sense of identity is gone now
I can try finding you one that's similar, what did you think about the one I sent?

It's okay but not what I had in mind

I'll dig up something else then

I'll just send a bunch of links, if you like one I'll size it properly for the site so you can use it!

1. https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/ ... dv2_hq.png
2. https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/ ... 00x400.jpg
3. https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/ ... age0-2.jpg
4. https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/ ... av5dtf.png
5. https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/ ... /85469.png

I like the first one.

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/ ... ymbi_1.png
This should work!

[Meuh]

Spoiler:

I have 3 town reads page 1.

Wheme
Meuh
T3

Pear has disappointed me already though with such a bland entrance!
I feel another push is going to happen

Wheme for trying to push out of RVS
Meuh for continuing the joke in 13 instead of back tracking, ignoring, or panicking.
T3 because I have played with enough to get a read from his opening post.

Did you not care about my Pear dislike?

Honorary NoAvi Masonry
VFP me and my meta I think is towny.
This isn't Symbiosis's first game....
Just seems oo informed abouut the mechanics of mafia.
Well a nyways, Meuh, can you elaborate on the Weuler scumread?

I townread VFP because they is playing similarly to previous games I have played woth them.

This set of interactions is very weird to me. Both VFP and T3 townread each other for vague reasons. I understand that after playing with someone for a while, you can sense their alignment a bit better, but neither of them cite any reason for townreading the other beyond playing similarly than before and just being able to tell. It feels like at least one of them has an agenda here and at least one of them knows the other's alignment. Could be scumbuddies, could be masons, I think most likely one scum trying to pocket a townie, but this just doesn't sit right, I think there's at least one scum in those 2.

whos left in the pool of scum?

t3, catboi and lukewarm?

Catboi and Lukewarm.

This is a quote from our previous game. 4 players were considered to be possible scum, those being VFP, T3, Lukewarm and Catboi.
VFP just straight up feels confident enough on his townread of T3 to exclude him from that pool.
The thing is, VFP was scum, and T3 was town. The way VFP acted here even partially justified why T3 was elimed after VFP flipped scum.
I feel this could easily be a repeat of that, especially considering its success the last time around.
T3's response also makes me think he could be the scum in them, he stays careful not to accept the townread too quickly, but reciprocates it with VFP after a bit. Securing that duo with VFP would be good for scum!T3.
Could also see them just both being maf, clearing each other for vague reasons so they don't have to deal with having more progress within their reads as the day progresses and since they both exert a pretty high amount of presence in the thread, they could guarantee each other safety for now by making sure not to pressure each other meaningfully.

The vagueness of the reads also make them easier to backtrack on later, so if they wanna start bussing down the line, that door's wide open.

[Meuh]

Alright new readslist time I added more things so I can make my reads more specific

TTT = Confirmed town
TT = Strong town read
T = Town read
/T = Town lean
//T = Neutral, slight town lean
/ = Neutral
//M = Neutral, slight mafia lean
/M = Mafia lean
M = Mafia read
MM = Strong mafia read
MMM = Confirmed mafia

Symbiosis (T)

I townread her even harder now, 23, 25, 48, 66 and 73 are all townie posting, she's being productive and advancing discussion without it feeling artificial or with the goal of gaining towncred.

Weuler (M)

The vibes are off . Like I've already established, 31 is weird, but the more recent posting does nothing to ease me. 67 is just no pro-town behaviour, he gets asked for scumreads, answers with a vague description of who they would be, and nothing else. 83, he votes The Bulge without voting him. 0 confidence in Weuler's posting, a lack of establishing scumreads, passive gameplay, very simple formula to a mafia member right here.

T3 (/)

T3's thought process makes sense, it seems alright, 39 is a townie post ig, but the interactions with VFP make me too uneasy to townlean him here, which I think I would otherwise.

KristopherKolumbus (/T)

41, 58 and 68 are all a good look, her thought process seems genuine and she seems to want to find scum. "Also btw I just read through the forum while not half asleep, and my meh view on Mueler has gone slightly on scumread now that I look at it," seems like the natural thought process of a townie.

Pearofclubs (/)

I would've liked a bit more productivity in the posts that have been made, but nothing's really put me off in what has been said. I'm just waiting for more content at this point.

WhemeStar (/)

Meh, there's not much to say here. Nothing seems off, nothing seems good. 60 is the most townie content I could find in his ISO. (For those who don't know, ISO means isolation, it's when you use the little thing at the bottom to look at a singular player's posts in isolation, I recommend using it when forming reads)

VFP (//M)

The amount of productivity in their posting almost makes me nudge them to just neutral, but with the interactions with T3 and the potential of VFPxWeuler, I'm a bit weary of them at this point.
72's a townie post though

The Bulge (//M)

I was expecting more than this from an SE slot, could just be a playstyle thing but The Bulge fails to deliver any reads and proceeds to vote one of my townreads If they don't start doing more I think they could always work as today's elim since we won't be losing much regardless, I really don't wanna see The Bulge in like, an endgame scenario, that sounds awful

[Meuh]

Did Meuh actually get scum then?

Maybe watch out!

[Meuh]

What makes me think scum here is you are using meta to justify a read, and then going against meta to justify an extended read.

VOTE: Meuh

Let's put some pressure here.

Where am I going against meta?

[Meuh]

I think there's scum in the players calling me leantown.
Nervous to go out of the box.

I feel like this had an effect on Meuh's post there and Meuh flipping scum means that Meuh's scum buddy was doing this and Meuh felt like a reason had to be forced.

Why would I go and pressure you and T3 here, though? I've already established I don't want you to be elimed today and I still stand by that, and I'm still null on T3. I could've just applied more pressure on like Weuler, if I wanted to try to steer people away from that set of players. It seems like an overreach for a chainsaw defense for a simple statement like that one

[Meuh]

Where am I going against meta?

By saying that me and T3 can be scum partners even though in your only knowledge, I push my buddies as scum.
I think you heavily slipped in your post as scum, which I'll happily discuss tomorrow if you ever flip town.

That said, today, your mindset isn't what I do as scum, but reason to why I am. You played it off wrong though.

Wdym push your buddies as scum, I don't really think that was a thing that happened last game?

[Meuh]

I had Marci as scum from the moment I joined in until the claim was made.
Interesting that you're trying to double down here.

There's a difference between those gamestates though, didn't Marci already have like 2/3 votes on her when you came in? I might be genuinely misremembering this but I felt like there was a lot more of a reason for you to pressure her there than there would be for you to pressure T3 here
If you do actually tend to push your buddies then that puts some of what I've said into reconsideration, although it still doesn't do anything about the scenarios where only one of you are scum, which is what I thought was more likely anyways , I don't understand how my whole logic falls apart because of what you're saying?

[Meuh]

Why would I go and pressure you and T3 here, though? I've already established I don't want you to be elimed today and I still stand by that, and I'm still null on T3. I could've just applied more pressure on like Weuler, if I wanted to try to steer people away from that set of players. It seems like an overreach for a chainsaw defense for a simple statement like that one

But if I'm scum you should want to lim me today. The fact you said that earlier just makes me suspect more here by you just wanting to throw shade down.
The reason for doing so could be any of the following, but not limited.

T3 is scum buddies with you
You want to shade for a push tomorrow
You don't want me to town read T3

As I said, I'm pretty sure I've seen something that is a scum slip. If I'm wrong I'll fully explain it tomorrow if alive.

I just don't really wanna repeat last game and elim one of the people leading town who was also town on day 1, it'd be a pretty huge blow, I'd rather wait until there's a more solid base to form reads on that player. Ofc I wanna elim scum!VFP today, I'm saying eliming you is less worth the risk-reward of it all
scum!Meuh just chills and pressures Weuler and The Bulge, there's no reason for her to be this agressive, there's ways to discredit your claims without the post I made on you and T3, there's no agenda this makes sense with
I just noticed something was off and made a post about it
and if I wanted to shade or to make T3 get townread, I could've voiced that without involving you, why would I want to pick a fight with you

I wanna see that scum slip

[Meuh]

No Marci had 0 votes or 1 vote max.
I had votes on me.

You can't argue different game so meta doesn't matter when you are using meta to justify.

As I said, your mindset isn't I could be scum because of how act as scum, but rather I can be scum because of this reason.

That falls outside of meta and shows that your post wasn't genuine.

Explain this please?

Why would I have a different reason to not push my scum buddy, but yet have the same reason to pocket T3 when I have no pressure on me to the game where I had pressure?
You're thought process makes no sense here from town.

I'm legitimately not sure what you're saying in the first line of this, but pocketing someone is beneficial for scum, regardless of the gamestate?
I wanna know why my thought process makes no sense but I don't understand the points you're trying to make

[Meuh]

Explain this please?

Basically, you were looking for a reason.

I'm legitimately not sure what you're saying in the first line of this, but pocketing someone is beneficial for scum, regardless of the gamestate?
I wanna know why my thought process makes no sense but I don't understand the points you're trying to make

No, trying to pocket someone this early is typical scum.
Hence why I think someone is scum in just leaving me as lean town.

Your thought process does not work because you are claiming to be using meta. This is clear enough. However, when you use anti meta in the same comment and I call it out, your excuse is because it's a different situation.
This shows me that you were not thinking that this is meta related reads but instead you were looking for a reason to make the read. This is what scum do.

Here's how my thought process went:
I realize you and T3's interactions are odd -> I reread them -> I write about why I think they're odd -> I wonder if meta makes sense with my ideas -> remember your interactions from last game and the way you were heavily townreading him -> I include it in the post
Meta never was the basis of the post, I just checked last game and felt it all clicked, which made me more confident in the point I was making
I legitimately thought you subbed in after Marci was garnering pressure which is why I didn't look back on it when I was checking out last game
and I gotcha in terms of scum wanting to pocket you, while I feel decent to good about those slots, dropping an early townread on one of the loudest voices in town is absolutely something scum benefit from, although that thing alone doesn't feel off enough to me for me to start scumreading any of them.

[Meuh]

Also how do you do the thing where you link to a specific post?

Use the post option on the top of the reply box, type the number of the post you wanna quote in that box, it should work! [pst]67[/pst] would link post 67 for example, if i hadn't removed the o from "post"

[Meuh]

I don't like this at all. In Newbie 2061 (The only game I could find with you and Meuh where you were scum) you may have had Marci in your scumreads but you did not actively push on her beyond a couple of questions and saying that a marci lim would work for you.

Regardless if you like it, my point is correct.
The argument here is that I could be scum with T3 for saying I have a town lean.
The only argument you are using is that I use the word push instead of read. The wording changes nothing to this and it still proves that meta and off meta was used to justify.
You can try to explain why I'm wrong with that part though

True, but I adressed this earlier in my post.

Wrong, you didn't explain anything.
You came fixated on a word that even if replaced has the exact same out come.

Either Marci is town, null, or scum to me in that game.
Either T3 is town, null, or scum to me in this game.
Since you feel high on the opinion to what I'm saying, explain why these are in anyway the same and also explain the differences we have in this game to the point of me joining in that game.

T3 did not change his vote between 1) and 3) so marci must have had two votes when VFP replaced in. I now think VFP is likley to be scum due to their use of flimsy reasoning and a verifiably false statment. I still want to pressure Bulge, so my vote stays where it is.

After I put you as a potential scum buddy of Meuh you are trying to come to the rescue. Its cute but I'm the wrong person to try that with.
I'm interested to why you have no interest on what the scum slip was with Meuh. Maybe trying to avoid it in the thread to gain negative attention to your buddy.

Meuh is going to be the lim today and a red flip means you are tomorrow.

Tone of this post as a whole is a big yikes, like not only because I find it scummy but it's probably not a great way to talk in a newbie game? Doesn't feel like posting to make in an environment where people are trying to learn how to play mafia
VFP your whole debunking of my argument is flimsy and at best only removes part of my argument, and I still don't see how any of this makes me scum, even if my logic was bad. This whole push feels very opportunistic, I clearly flipped a switch by bringing my ideas to the table.
You have no right to dictate who will be elimed today, what even is this

[Meuh]

Also the fact you won't commit to a vote on me, when Buldge hasn't done anything scum worthy yet in your words I have shows you are scum that can't commit.

Why would a townie commit to a push on one of the most active players less than 1/5th into the day? We have literally a week before the day ends, why not just chill and apply pressure on less active people? There's places to look beyond your whole schtick with me and one of the people townreading you being scum. As it turns out, your argument isn't the only relevant thing in the game and not everyone think exactly the same as you. Shocker.

[Meuh]

Also the fact you won't commit to a vote on me, when Buldge hasn't done anything scum worthy yet in your words I have shows you are scum that can't commit.

Why would a townie commit to a push on one of the most active players less than 1/5th into the day? We have literally a week before the day ends, why not just chill and apply pressure on less active people? There's places to look beyond your whole schtick with me and one of the people townreading you being scum. As it turns out, your argument isn't the only relevant thing in the game and not everyone think exactly the same as you. Shocker.

Again, it shouldn't be about active and ot active.
If you think someone is scum then push it.
Sym voting me does not end the day here, but it at least shows they believe what they are saying. Otherwise it's just shade, which is scummy.

Do you believe after Sym's last post that they want to play me as scum more than Buldge, or the other way around?

not sure what exactly the "play me" wording implies but Sym pretty clearly views you as scummier than Bulge, but sees more benefit to keeping her vote on him.

[Meuh]

not sure what exactly the "play me" wording implies but Sym pretty clearly views you as scummier than Bulge, but sees more benefit to keeping her vote on him.

And what benefit is that?

Pressure.

[Meuh]

Pressure.

And what is Sym trying to get from this pressure?

Ask Sym

[Meuh]

Well you seemed so sure to why Sym is still voting Buldge and that Sym is doing if for pressure directly, I expected you to have some inside information here?

I still want to pressure Bulge, so my vote stays where it is.

Yeah, I have a great source of inside information called post 110

[Meuh]

Until Bulge starts talking I'm going to go with

VOTE: The Bulge

PS: There are a lot of votes that weren't counted on last page. Probably because the voter forgot to unvote their last choice. E.g I should have at least 1 vote on me.

I agree. We need to put some pressure on this

VOTE: The Bulge until they post something game-relevant.

...and post 83

[Meuh]

*87

are you sure you're not being disingenuous here, VFP?

No I don't find it suspicious, it's the same reason I have my vote where it is.

[Meuh]

Weuler (M)

83, he votes The Bulge without voting him.

?

The Bulge (//M)

I was expecting more than this from an SE slot, could just be a playstyle thing but The Bulge fails to deliver any reads and proceeds to vote one of my townreads If they don't start doing more I think they could always work as today's elim since we won't be losing much regardless, I really don't wanna see The Bulge in like, an endgame scenario, that sounds awful

holy hell slow down lmao

a guy's really not allowed to work afternoons and be busy most evenings huh

1. I meant to say without scumreading him, so like it was a non-committal vote.

2. I was anticipating you to keep posting the same way you were before, although that's probably not a fair assumption to make considering we were in early day 1, but yeah if you were gonna keep making posts like 62 I wouldn't want you in the endgame
I was more referring to that than activity, my bad for not being considerate of that

[Meuh]

I might just get off my chest why you're scum here.
Let me think on it for a moment and I'll post shortly if I want to.

Pedit you're truly trying to seal you're fate here.

I'm really excited for you to

decimate

me!

Spoiler:

Why do Meuh and wingedcatgirl stand out to you Marci?

from what i know, meuh usually posts more.. but she could just be busy maybe LOL

omg marci scumreading me on page 3, throwback to last game i just haven't bothered catching up until now I do also like Esooa's vibes so far

the read on Winged is something I kinda like, not actively engaging with other players while posting is a bit scummy...

I'd say my page 3 scumread™ is on Kitty, I really dislike the vibes in their posts, it feels like they're trying to hard to sound memey/engaging in memeing with other people, I generally don't mind memeing, but this feels like scum forcing it in an attempt to look like a townie to others.

Literally all these takes are cut and pasted from other people's posts.

You are outed mafia.

This all just reminds me of this (I was town)

[Meuh]

Fuck it, I'll say.

I am claiming Cop. Either we only have 2 goons or doc will be on me tonight. If I am killed or not killed this answers what scum have.
This means that we are in A1 or C1.

This is where the slip comes in. Scum are looking for roles. And what roles appear on both A and C? That's right, it's Masons.
Meuh is Mason hunting and the slip in below shows their mind set.

could be masons

This is obviously a spoken about topic knowing that masons can be a thing in the scum thread. There's no way on earth town ever comment as who the masons can be.
So as scum Meuh is actually trying to get information out on who the masons are in any.

This suggests that we are more in C1 though and I'm the only town PR.
I am confident, almost 100% sure that Meuh is scum here.
Sym as the buddy.

I felt like you and/or T3

had knowledge of the other's alignment

, not just that you were interacting weird, so I considered if there was a way you could still both be town and remembered masons are a potential, which is why I mentioned it. I didn't really think it'd significantly help scum out to say that.
You didn't really need to claim cop to make your point since 2/3 of the columns have masons anyways as you said, but I don't see why you'd be claiming it here as scum, so I see ne reason to be doubting this.

[Meuh]

Sorry Meuh, I guess you and Sym picked the wrong player to shade there.

You can elim me, but I hope you reconsider Symbi, her behaviour has all been pro-town since the very start, I really don't understand how you can't see that. All they've posted has been helpful genuine newb!town.

[Meuh]

As I said, town do not bring attention to town pairs.
If you thought 1 of us or even both of us was scum, but you fucked up.

What? You can say that it isn't pro-town to bring these things up but to act as if pointing out a singular pair is major scum behaviour is a huge stretch. Townies don't engage in behaviours that help town 100% of the time, ultimately. Weuler made 67, not taking the opportunity to help town, but it doesn't make him automatically scum. I happened to mention masons because of the way my thought process naturally progressed.
I'm honestly really interested as to what everyone thinks of this and I hope your tunneling won't be holding us down in the long term at least
Knowing that masons exist isn't something that only applies to mafia members lmao

[Meuh]

Knowing, no.
But trying to locate them and point it out, is something that scum only do.
I agree it's the mind set you had without realising.

You're not getting out of this one.
I gave fair warning and just really wanted me to push the slip out.

Notice how Buldge comments on the slip but Sym has no comment what so ever on it? Considering it was clear it was a big part to why I instantly scum read you.

Symbi hasn't posted in a bit, she's probably not online right now. This post just shows how hard you're conf biasing here, it's insane

[Meuh]

The reasoning in 129 does make me doubt that both Symb and Meuh are scum at the same time though. Otherwise it's just two too clumsy scum working together.

What's your read on Symbi then?

[Meuh]

lol i dont believe the claim but i will sheep for the memes VOTE: meuh

I took a look at the setup, literally every setup possibility has a player that would be able to CC and therefore get VFP elimed. It’s a 1 for 1 at best, which scum don’t really have a reason to be taking, especially considering the minimal pressure VFP was actually getting. I don’t see any real reason to doubt this, and even if you want to, the CC will come anyways and we’ll all live happily ever after.

[Meuh]

I don’t think your scum for claiming

I don’t think actual PR should Cc

Why not?
We would get either a 6 v 1 or a 4 v 1 out of it, seems worthwhile

[Meuh]

Anyways this is conflicting because I seriously struggle to view VFP as really scum, considering how silly it would be to claim cop like this, but they're either trying to push Meuh, an active towntalker out of the game if they're scum or more likely, Meuh's genuinely scumslipping

Why does one of us have to be scum though? It's possible for townies to be wrong sometimes, I don't understand why you'd see this as either me or VFP scum, with no potential of both being town (or both being scum, that'd be hilarious actually )

I've stopped bothering with reading VFP's behaviour, at this point with the claim out there I don't think there's much to be accomplished through reading, that slot will get solved naturally anyways

[Meuh]

I'm scumreading this due to the AtE which I have bolded in these quotes.

I also really don't like the Weuler read in 92.

I don't see how 67 can in any way be considered scummy and SR'ing Weuler due to a pressure vote when she did exactly the same thing comes across as incredibly hypocritical.

The difference was that Weuler seemed to be actively avoiding voicing any form of read. 158 is the first time he said anything regarding anyone's alignment. I voiced several reads both before and after placing my vote, Weuler literally hadn't voiced any reads until a while after I voiced my read on him, seemed like avoiding confrontation and passive scum gameplay

Still on my VT streak! Make sure not to let VFP tunnel their way to a town loss
You should probably try to take advantage of the time we have though, you can hammer me after, there's literally a week left to the day
I mean at this point if I survive today, VFP will just stay fixated and we won't be able to make progress, it's probably better for me to be sacrificed for the greater good
VOTE:

Weuler

Reconsider that slot tomorrow

[Meuh]

VFP backtracked with his townread on me. Other than that their play has been towny.
VOTE: Meuh
This is e1. Time to claim.

There is just one minor problem with that. Before you voted, VFP, Wheme, Weuler, and Pear all had votes on Meuh. You can check their iso's from here. That was not E-1. That was a hammer.

RIP me

[Meuh]

Holy shit, you did it!! that’s insane, nice job Bulge

[Meuh]

Weuler (M)

83, he votes The Bulge without voting him.

?

The Bulge (//M)

I was expecting more than this from an SE slot, could just be a playstyle thing but The Bulge fails to deliver any reads and proceeds to vote one of my townreads If they don't start doing more I think they could always work as today's elim since we won't be losing much regardless, I really don't wanna see The Bulge in like, an endgame scenario, that sounds awful

holy hell slow down lmao

a guy's really not allowed to work afternoons and be busy most evenings huh

I really like this from Bulge, I feel like it's just not how scum interact, to me it's 10/10 distancing
Very well played to him

[Meuh]

Also I can't believe I caught the masons on page 4
Explains why VFP reacted to strongly to my messages