Newbie 2064 - (GG)

[Noraa]

OH NOEEEEEEEEEEE

[Noraa]

Hello guys!! I am the replacement! SE Noraa here. Also a sexy endividual. I haven't played a newbie in a hot sec there so hellooo foreign land!

[Noraa]

Ok so first off. Tribute to the dead.
I just want to say that I repped into this game briefly skimming through the first couple pages. Was like WOOO JACKO AND MON(Johnnyfarrar)!!! I hit jackpot!!!
Normally I don't do newbie games because its hard to read newbies but I saw the both of them and I was like HECK YEAH
and then cabd gave me the role pm and I actually read the thread and realized they were all dead/repped out and was like damn.

[Noraa]

I was gonna come into this game telling everyone how townie jacksonvirgo and catboi were but the scum did that for me. I'm honestly sad catboi is gone because I really wanted to have an argument with him over one of his reads but now he's gone. So instead, I'll have the discussion with Super!
Hey! Can you tell me why James is town?

[Noraa]

So my humble opinion is that James is the last scum here. Now, I could be wrong and I have a backup option in that case(two actually) but im pretty sure James is the last scum here.
I have my reasons but I want to hear super's opinion first because she's someone that I TR the most now that catboi is dead

[Noraa]

I'm the Tracker.

oh ok if you are, thats great. Scummy players being pr is the best thing in the world
if u are lying, u just dug ur own grave
so yeah this game should be basically solved given this claim.

[Noraa]

So my humble opinion is that James is the last scum here. Now, I could be wrong and I have a backup option in that case(two actually) but im pretty sure James is the last scum here.
I have my reasons but I want to hear super's opinion first because she's someone that I TR the most now that catboi is dead

Claim, I'm 99% sure you're the other scum from this, but claim.

I'm not going to claim lol. If you are actually the town tracker, you should consider why I, if scum would ever decide to come and SR you given you have been pretty widely TRed if I remember correctly. My slot was pretty widely TRed. If im scum, its easier to ride things out here and get ninja killed or something

[Noraa]

Night 1 I Zyla Jackson and got nothing, that's why I didn't pressure Jackson's slot day 2, maybe they were scum and only orc did both but I didn't think that was likely.
Nigh 2 I tracked Zyla, they didn't do anything, but a death occured, meaning they aren't a PR or scum.
If the other PR claims, and there are no counter claims, we know its one of the 2 remaining people, if there's a counter claim, we know its 50/50 either way.
Town wins.

Assuming you aren't lying,
Zyla - town
Me - town
You - town
Scum in super/unwnd?

shiiiiit if that's the case, we're in a little trouble because I was thinking the scum was in James and ninja.
I'm assuming James isn't lying cuz lying as last scum is like suicide.

[Noraa]

Not claiming is basically admitting you're scum.

I won't claim this early in the day, sorry. However, if I believe claiming is necessary, I will do it.
Atm I think its not lylo and theres no actual need to claim?
suit yourself. I won't claim right now because that's antitown and narrows down the setup for scum.

[Noraa]

Claim and town wins.

This isn't how it works?

[Noraa]

Not claiming is basically admitting you're scum.

I won't claim this early in the day, sorry. However, if I believe claiming is necessary, I will do it.
Atm I think its not lylo and theres no actual need to claim?
suit yourself. I won't claim right now because that's antitown and narrows down the setup for scum.

Did you not read 925?
I've explained how no matter what town wins here.

Hold up lemme make sure the logic checks out and if it does 100%, I'll claim.

[Noraa]

So I guess that means that Noraa, Unwnd, and Super are our major suspects, but we've got a 1/3rd chance of being in a game with a mafia-roleblocker (and jailkeeper), so I guess I'm not 100% ruled out? (I mean, I am town, but I'm not confirmed yet I guess)
But I'm down for trusting James if no one else claims

correct me if im wrong but mafia role blocker can't self target
town JKer would end up as no result for trackers I think

[Noraa]

Ok the logic basically checks out. So basically, you won't get contested if you're town because scum would be kind of stupid to do that since even if you die today, scum dies tomorrow
ok imma just assume you're telling the truth
I am vanilla town.
That means super or unwnd has one pr. The other is scum

[Noraa]

And we have two eliminations so we just wagon me and the one out of super and unwnd that doesn't claim pr and its game over.

[Noraa]

I am town but the order in which we die doesn't matter anymore so im willing to die first or have scum die first. Theres no difference, just confirmed town win.

[Noraa]

So I guess that means that Noraa, Unwnd, and Super are our major suspects, but we've got a 1/3rd chance of being in a game with a mafia-roleblocker (and jailkeeper), so I guess I'm not 100% ruled out? (I mean, I am town, but I'm not confirmed yet I guess)
But I'm down for trusting James if no one else claims

Even if mafia roleblocked you N2, you're still town here.

It's more if mafia or JK targeted

you

, as you wouldn't have any meaningful result

impossible. tracker would've gotten no result. if he got a result, its correct

[Noraa]

FN, doc, or JK is what we have

[Noraa]

Claiming Tracker here is risky, as what if the person I happened to choose randomly as a track target, happened to be the Jailkeeper.

if the night result you got was "no action", then that means they didn't move and were not jailed.
if zyla was jailed, you would get "no result"
if zyla moved, you would've gotten something like "they visited [blah]"

[Noraa]

You are a Town Tracker.

You may target one player per night phase. At the end of the night phase, you will be informed what player or players they targeted with their action, if any. I

f you are roleblocked, you will receive no result.

You win when there are no longer any threats to town.

[Noraa]

My thing basically says. Your action did not succeed, no result.

:/
wow ok then we're off to a great start
I get forced to claim by our town pr who ... didn't even get a result last night and its not even lylo
why did I even claim wtf.

[Noraa]

And now its also outted that our second pr is a JKer. WONDERFUL.
This is just going amazing.

[Noraa]

funny story. One time I thought I was cop but I really wasn't and I went around clearing people who surprisingly were actually town. it was the funniest thing ever.

[Noraa]

I previously got something mixed up btw,
I thought Super replaced the monkey for some reason. But since she replaced Dom, im locktowning that asap. I had reservations about the monkey's alignment
So last scum is Zyla or Unwnd. This game is solved.

[Noraa]

I wasn't a fan of ninja or the monkey
my only issue is that I always SR the monkey sooo :/

[Noraa]

James, I think claiming today wasn't the brightest idea however its good to know you are the tracker and the main reason is because I would've tunneled you today having not known that.
Your predecessor behaved unlike themselves normally. Generally Salsa is a rather indecisive person and when I saw them vote micc after he voted orctin, I was pretty darn set on tunneling you from that point on.

Either way, town still should have this game since scum can't kill both prs and both are pretty damn powerful.

[Noraa]

The other good thing is that we now know that scum have a role blocker.
If our JK targeted someone other than Zyla last night, then we know that scum role blocked Zyla and zyla is conftown.
So if that's what happened last night, mass claim should happen probably?
If that's not what happened and our JK JK'ed Zyla,
wait. ig another possibility is that James was blocked. Shit I didn't think about that.

[Noraa]

DONT LISTEN TO THAT. NO MORE CLAIMS. NO MORE.
Uhm yeah idk. Imma chill and wait for super to come online.

[Noraa]

Ok so if the town JKer blocked Zyla last night, claim cuz then we have Zyla conftown(since zyla can't move if she's JKed unless she's scum role blocker and role blocked the JKer in which case she deserves to win this game so like who cares and the probability is kinda low), James conftown, other pr conftown. That leaves me and scum and we'll win.
If the town JKer blocked anyone else, don't claim.
I think that logic checks out but don't claim before everyone has discussed this a bit please. Ok I'll shut up now lol my brain's frying up.

[Noraa]

What happens if a roleblocker and a jailkeeper target eachother, who wins?

good question I have no idea and it probably doesn't matter because it probably won't happen.

[Noraa]

if I were jailed, he'd've gotten that I didn't go anywhere.

if you were jailed, he would've gotten no result.

[Noraa]

(it does suck that Nora claimed since I'm not sure if that was ideal at this point since there is a scum roleblocker and they can narrow down who the last PR is but that's cool i'll let that slide )

Well like. Dude told me he got a tracker result. Which, if he did, it would not be a bad idea to mass claim. The logic all checked out and he was freaking me out by being like YOU SCUM IF YOU DONT CLAIM

and it seemed fine to claim and putting it off might've looked scummy idk? I was thinking that my position in the game isn't that stable since I just replaced in so I might as well just claim so that scum wouldn't claim first and get the upper hand
Yeah @_@

[Noraa]

hi nora you're so energetic and it's really nice and easy for me to get a read on! yay! I'm curious what read you wanted to talk about with Catboi? was it the one on James as well?

Yeh! I wanted to ask catboi why he TRed James! You also TRed him but I've played with catboi before and I was 100% sure he was town due to Jacko's posting which was the downiest fucking town to EVER EXIST OML so I wanted his opinion more than yours. But now that he's dead, u've risen lol.

[Noraa]

you know what? fuck it. I feel pretty confident in saying Nora is town here so I'm just going to claim and say I'm a villager - the jailkeeper should claim because it is either Zyla/Unwnd and that to me is autowin (since it'd just be the last villager claim FMPOV since I'm feeling fairly good about Nora being town here and if I'm wrong then I can deal with that later on)

obviously it's only autowin here if my read on Nora is right and town also townread me but I'm feeling good about it

I'm leaning more on Zyla being scum because I read HEM as fairly towny D1 and also I will note that when Catboi started pushing on Orc D2 on entry HEM immediately took away his scumread on JAckson (Catboi) and started pushin on Orc as well (I don't see why he would do this to his partner)

sorry for claiming, Nora already did and I feel pretty confident we can vote out mafia today, if I've fucked up I'm sorry - I haven't played noob mechanics before and I'm getting the hang of the setups but I think based on my reads this is most optimal FMPOV (SINCE I'm feeling so good about Nora being town)

The bad thing about narrowing the setup is that scum will know who the two prs are if the day doesn't end today and since its a maf RBer, they can RB one and kill the other and I think that's why RBer shouldn't claim(unless they RBed Zyla last night but im assuming they didn't)

[Noraa]

so either Nora lied and is JK or James didn't get roleblocked?

or Zyla is JK and just is engaging weirdly

I'm not, so someone is being hush for no reason when I'd prefer clarity

no massclaim. no clarity. If we don't hit scum today, scum will RB the JKer and kill James. That is NOT good.

[Noraa]

Scum should not figure out who our JK is because that's bad. Unless the JK has a clearing result, NO CLAIM.

[Noraa]

So I guess that means that Noraa, Unwnd, and Super are our major suspects, but we've got a 1/3rd chance of being in a game with a mafia-roleblocker (and jailkeeper), so I guess I'm not 100% ruled out? (I mean, I am town, but I'm not confirmed yet I guess)
But I'm down for trusting James if no one else claims

Previously, I thought this reaction was towny briefly looking at it. Currently, im not 100% on it. It's hard to say. I understand town overthinks but heck if I was in this spot having the town tracker clear me, id have been like WOOHOO IM CONFTOWN NOW I CAN BE AS SCUMMY AS I WANT AND NO ONE CAN DO A SHIT ABT IT HA
But Zyla is new so then its kinda like uhhh would a newbie think that much? My personal opinion is no but the issue is that I definitely see a scum unwnd world here. Or even scum super.

Here. The last scum percentages look like this
Super : 10% possibility
Unwnd: 45%
Zyla: 45%

Super looks very very towny. The issue is that I have slight paranoia on her because she reminds me of ydrasse 100 fucking million% and I literally ALWAYS TR scum ydrasse because im blind as hell and very prone to her pocketing.
I think that maybe we should massclaim today? It's tough but I think if we wait til tomorrow, we might have a pr counterclaim from scum which is annoying to deal with because then I'll be the one choosing who dies when I slightly SR everyone here. However, if we all claim today, its more likely that the prs won't be counterclaimed since both are alive and its suicide to counter one. I have more faith in my ability to convince everyone that I am town over the scum who is claiming VT than my ability to figure out which pr is the real one.

[Noraa]

Like if we all claim today, we'll know for sure who the prs are. This means that the prs won't be cc'ed unless scum wants to die a mech guilty which is absolutely stupid.
If we all claim tomorrow, it will be lylo. James will be dead(unless our JK targets scum and scum doesn't target the JK which is a pretty small percentage chance that this exact situation will happen), and we'll have the JKer claim and then me and scum. I have more faith in myself convincing the JKer that I am town than in my ability to tell which pr is fake tomorrow.
Like if we claim tomorrow, it will likely be me, pr, scum and the scum will counter the pr seeing that I am uncertain on everything and it is a better bet to try to win me over than the pr that TRs me. I might not be able to figure it out and we'll lose a game that we should've won.

[Noraa]

I think its probably more likely that scum is zyla even if solely off the fact that the night kills haven't been the hottest.
Like unwnd and super and probably better at pr hunting than zyla. Especially Unwnd but I do see a world where they see catboi as a threat anyways since he's so widely TRed. But given that they are a mafia RBer, they should know that town has some heavy power and going for the prs > going for the threats because mech guilties are mod confirmed whereas UTR people can be dragged down kicking and screaming from their spots if scum is skilled enough.
Ugh. the wifom is frying my brain.

[Noraa]

Ugh. Ok imma read the end of yesterday and see if I can make any discoveries.

[Noraa]

If I'm wrong then I need serious re-eval but still feel reasonably good about James and navslot as town

mmmmm catboi dying after this doesn't seem like unwnd scum thing to do.
Ok I have some more analysis and then I'll shut up and let people think.

So catboi dying here could be noobscum since 1) James and "navslot" yes me, are town and he just murdered the scum buddy. Thats pretty intimidating to noobscum which like if both scum here were newbies, holy shit I feel bad for y'all. It's like Ugh this Jacksonvirgo dude. Then a Micc dude. Then a JohnnyFarrar. Then a Catboi. A Super. An unwnd. And now a Noraa wtf is this overload of town power. Like if scum was orctin and ninja, holy fuck they had it rough. Like ROUGH. Getting totally overwhelmed by wall posters and sexy endividuals. Thats a huge rip. Damn now that im thinking about that, holy shit if that's the setup, damn I feel really bad. If that's not, then eh I don't feel bad lol

It could also be super scum. Reading their interactions, super seems to really care about how catboi reads her. She seems to really really want him to TR her and she could've killed him out of fear of him SRing her and sending her on her way to the dead thread. I totally see that.

Unwnd is not likely because I just think that unwnd here would prioritize killing off town prs vs UTR vanilla town. also the night 1 Johnny Farrar kill is low-key stupid since micc did get a lot of SRs and Johnny isn't exactly the biggest threat there is. He's the bestest! most awesome! and amazing! But he isn't toooooo big a threat to scum typically. I would say he would be a pretty decent mislim to save for later so I don't see unwnd killing him night 1.

[Noraa]

Ugh I really want to TR unwnd here but the fact that he TRs me is off-putting since his track record of reading me took a huge dip downhill recently so I feel like he should SR me here.

[Noraa]

I'm overthinking too much. Someone guide me back to the light. Im suffering down here in a pile of messy thoughts.

[Noraa]

Welp, I think we got about as much discussion from that as we're going to get, so here's the new info drop:
I'm the Jailkeeper, and I targeted James last night, which is why he got "no result".

SHIIIT MY READS ARE TOTAL BULLCRAP

[Noraa]

THE ONLY THING is I can also come across that way as scum and maybe Nora is a better player than I think, I probably should get her to link some scum games to compare but her tone here feels incredibly genuine

I am a pretty good scum player unfortunately. I doubt meta will help you much.
A quick overview of my meta ig is that its VERY inconsistent.

I've had many vastly different games coming from the same alignment. heck maybe even the same role.

My mafia adventure started out with two scum games in a row and at the very beginning, for my first maybe 10 or so games, I consistently just rolled scum again and again and again which built up my hate for the alignment because I kept losing.
My first scum game that I came really close to winning I got Kodak for. I was solo scum that got 7 town mislims and lost the game despite getting parity. That really built up my dislike for the alignment but it's also given me this adrenaline boost almost for my scum games. I can sound very genuine as scum but nowadays I tend to be more chill as scum bc I view the effort as useless and I feel really bad when people believe me.

[Noraa]

My scum game has changed a lot and I also haven't rolled scum in the past like 20 games I've played so I doubt it'll help but lemme go find some links for you.

[Noraa]

viewtopic.php?f=56&t=84709&start=10225

This is the game that got me Kodak. I'm probably most known for this scum game.

[Noraa]

I'm not opposed to being the mislim as I don't really have the drive to solve.

You previously said you were sure I was town. Shouldn't you be pushing super if you think I'm town?

[Noraa]

I'm not opposed to being the mislim as I don't really have the drive to solve.

You previously said you were sure I was town. Shouldn't you be pushing super if you think I'm town?

pushing me is a pretty scary thing to do

I hope unwnd is scum because 1v1 ing you tomorrow is not something I want to do. I'll still give it my all if you truly are scum and if you are, you've played a 5 out of 5 star game here

[Noraa]

I'm not opposed to being the mislim as I don't really have the drive to solve.

You previously said you were sure I was town. Shouldn't you be pushing super if you think I'm town?

pushing me is a pretty scary thing to do

I hope unwnd is scum because 1v1 ing you tomorrow is not something I want to do. I'll still give it my all if you truly are scum and if you are, you've played a 5 out of 5 star game here

I feel the same about you, Nora. I feel fairly confident it is just Unwnd, but if you are the last one then I'm sorry to say I've never actually been elimmed... ever. SO fmpov I feel pretty comfortable in saying town will win regardless of unwnd's alignment because I can't see my first ever elim being a town game sorry I have such town entitlement lmao

Mmm I typically am alright at obvtowning but given this is a newbie game, I'm not as confident but damn you're really making me paranoid now. I'm town and now I'm worried I'm up against expert scum.

[Noraa]

Yikes. Tbh I almost want to push you today instead of unwnd now. I have full confidence that unwnd won't win a 1v1 against me so town will win. I don't feel the same about you and I had dripping paranoia about your interactions with catboi leading up to his nk

[Noraa]

Oh, also, forgot to mention, this one's up in the air to if it matters, but apparently my slot targeted Unwnd's slot n1, so unless mafia RB targeted me that night, Unwnd didn't commit that night's kill (but Orctin may have)

along with this. It makes sense to play safe and launch super today.

[Noraa]

Your 104 was a clear 3 hours before i put my vote up, 8 post later - it wasn't right after, so yea if i had come along and posted immediately after you - then you might have something but your fishing here with a long pole and coming up empty, and it was also after HEM put his vote on yourself.

And you still seem to ignore the fact that if all i wanted to do was Hammer Micc, I would of done it with 65. Would of been simple to just cast vote - end day, and get the flip. Instead i noted he was at E-1, left him the chance to post to defend himself, and i gave an opening town/scum read that while early was more just general observations.

You noted your going to be busy this weekend so not as active - i respect that, otherwise right now i'm really leaning to putting my vote on you

This post doesn't feel like its directed to a partner tho I will admit.
~making my way through orctin posts

[Noraa]

I understand paranoia, I'm one of the most paranoid town players in the world. but at this point in the game I'd rather ignore that paranoia since we have a ML and if it comes down to us being CCs I will handle that then but right now I hard TR your ass so I don't want your paranoia to fuck with my own reads/head

My issue is that if you are scum, town is fucked. I don't have confidence that I can beat you tomorrow. You are making me so paranoid girl you don't understand.

[Noraa]

Know i'm missing someone - post is to mainly get back into the game talking wise - apologies for being silent last two days, IRL crap taken care of now

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this isn't a great look but idk would he go the extra mile ahhh?

[Noraa]

Dum at this point moved himself into the suspect list for pushing some poorly played maneuver when i had made clear my position when i didn't hammer, and when i put the vote there. This to me was a scum play trying to push against myself to intimidate me into some kind of being afraid to vote thing or something, really i have no idea what he was doing cause anyone paying attention clearly knew what was up with the votes at the time. It was only cause he was going to be out for a few days that i didn't vote for him then.

but no vote. hmm.

[Noraa]

#64 seems like an earnest attempt to make sense of the game at RVS and this one:

This is total setup for me to hammer Micc - he's at E-1 i believe. At the moment he is high on my scum list but ending day early is generally a bad play. I'd rather allow him a chance to post before a hammer vote goes down

I haven't been paying attention to him but when I did today, I'm not impressed. Especially with the "I've been playing this game for years" and this is all that he could give us.

Oh hm this looks bad.

and if HEM was scum - then who would i put with him - James fit that line of thought because of their counterpoints. When i came to James i Look from another angle, If i was to read James as scum, I think honestly a much wider scope of who's with him because his place is different,

I was looking at Micc early on and probably Dum paired with him.

hmm

[Noraa]

either way if you are town Nora, there is no need to worry about me.

But I don't know you're town and I've lost to multiple scum that played like you before. I'm paranoid. This sucks so much.

[Noraa]

And i have answered plenty of questions these past days unwnd, i have tried to respond to any people had - even if they didn't like my answers

this almost sounds apologetic hmm

[Noraa]

Pot calling the kettle black there much? At this point i have found my "opportunistic scum"

Oh this post is directed at unwnd and VERY interesting. it seems very very partner-y

[Noraa]

Yeah it is more likely that unwnd is scum. I have paranoia on super regardless.
James, now that zyla is basically conftown, what do you think?
Zyla, thoughts?

[Noraa]

Hm. if we can all agree on one person that's towny enough out of the three of you, we could eliminate the 2 remaining people in order I suppose. But if we mis-elim it's ELo

tomorrow is Elo if there is tomorrow. so we only have 2 lims left

[Noraa]

Who do you have in mind for most towny?

[Noraa]

Honestly, I was thinking Super
The fact that Ninja Jailed Unwnd could easily be a non-issue, mafia rbing ninja, orctin doing the kill n1, etc.

I'm not sure what that has to do with super being towny. Can you elaborate?

[Noraa]

its pretty NAI especially since orctin was in a bad position anyways so it makes sense for him to do the kill anyways. but why do you think Super/Dom is townier than Noraa/Navigator

[Noraa]

ANDDDD I just realised Nora didn’t get to interact with Orc…. At all. So yes. I shall now look at HEM/Orc haha

I'm glad I wasn't alive when orc was alive. I TRed him prior to realizing he was flipped scum.

[Noraa]

So I’m reading Unwnd now, I don’t think I will quote stuff because this post is already going to be messy and long enough as it is but I will just comment on some things. Most of the time Unwnd has a pretty scum-leaning read on Orc and does interact more with Orc than Navi or HEM did. When Orc gets to E-1 Unwnd unvotes and says he needs more time to think – which is FINE, because I think he knew Orc was likely going to be getting elimmed regardless so I don’t think it means he was trying to save his partner. Unwnd does eventually hammer Orc. I will note that Navi was not voting Orc but had a scumread on their slot – once Orc is hammered Navi requests a sub – which I don’t want to read into all that much but it’s an interesting stream of events.

Unwnd and your positioning around orc were both bad imo. So it's not just navi. In fact I would argue that Navi's positioning was much more solid. I can make a post about it but that's my overall opinion. I'm not sure why HEM would bus tbh but since he started the wagon, if he was scum, that's like the lowest tier of bussing since its close to no pressure when the wagon just starts and distancing is good, yadda yadda.

[Noraa]

Nora cares so much about Zyla's read on me

Zyla will be alive tomorrow whereas James will not. I must know if Zyla trusts me because if she doesn't and you are scum, town loses the game due to this fact. Is that hard to understand?

[Noraa]

Navi using Orc's slip of a vote to make Dum look bad instead

I find it hard to believe that you are picking at this given you weren't on the orc wagon? Like I don't see how hard it is to believe that navi was town reading orc and I also think this is kinda just misrep. I am down to be like heck that rep out was scummy but the rest of your reasons are kinda just like uhhhhhhhhhhhh ehhhhhhhhhhh :/ I get that OMGUS is a thing but I mean ... given you've been like AHA I am never dying tomorrow, I don't see why a single townie wouldn't be paranoid as fuck after hearing that. It just makes me consider the option of open deep wolves and that shit scares? And Zyla town reads you so its like fuck everything if you're scum and we're losing.

Navi was pretty damn towny. Like I've read a select few of his posts and every one has been very towny to be and I do not see any issues with any of his posts. All of them have clear towny progression and lots of thinking done behind the scenes. That is not how scum operate. I also want to point out that Micc caught scum on page 1 or 2 and had a hard townread on Navi. I feel like that alone is a very strong point in my favor.

Zyla, what do you think about Micc's read on me?
James, can you come give thoughts? You are likely dying tonight since I think scum will role block zyla and kill you so this may be your last day in the game.

[Noraa]

Wow, thing's have gotten a bit more hostile since I was last here.
What I've gathered from everyone's posts is that humaneatingmonkey seems to have a tendency to post things that will get people to react. This likely means he's town since the only reason you'd need to do that is to get a better read on people, but it is possible he's scum doing it for any number of reasons.
Jackson on the other hand has me feeling wary. They spent most of the first two days lurking and then suddenly began posting a ton. This in and of itself isn't necessarily a scum move, they could simply be focusing on getting a read on people, however if you combine that with the fact that they're very quick to defend Micc who's been the primary suspect thus far and them seemingly trying to make us turn on each other, it does read as somewhat concerning. Not outright scummy in my eyes, bit definitely someone to keep an eye on.
On the topic of Micc, their arguments this far have been pretty weak, mostly consisting of "that's a rookie mistake, you'll figure it out with experience" whuch seems to be a good to deflect an argument from a new player without having to actually provide a decent reasoning. That said, I'm getting the feeling that Micc either isn't scum or, if he is, he's not the one to be most concerned about.
Salsabil got awfully defensive when Jackson called her out, moreso than I think was warranted. She's also kept her posts incredibly brief and without much substance. These things could be either poorly disguised scum behavior or simple newbie jitters and I'm not 100% sure which rn.
Orctin has been mostly helpful and he seems to be able to keep a cool head under pressure (a useful but potentially dangerous trait). He seems very similar to me in that we're both focused more on getting a read and breaking down arguments logically than simply voting. My gut tells me he's town, but I can't deny the possibility that he's simply very good at playing the long game for a mafia win.
As for everyone else I don't have a good enough read to say anything about them at this point.

If I had to pick, I'd say my top 3 suspects are, from most to least suspicious, Salsabil, Jackson, and Micc. However, there's still enough doubt that I can't pick a specific person to point the finger at rn. That said
UNVOTE: Micc

Also look at posts like this. I don't know how cheeky scum has to be to just go around and call everyone that they know is town scum just like this. It's different for orctin since he posted something similar when he was under pressure. This post comes outta nowhere literally.

[Noraa]

Scum don't ever come into a game and be like AHA today is a beautiful day to just make everyone my enemy WOO
Like half the time TRing someone else will get you a TR back. Why take the difficult path??????

[Noraa]

Nora cares so much about Zyla's read on me

Zyla will be alive tomorrow whereas James will not.

I must know if Zyla trusts me because if she doesn't and you are scum, town loses the game due to this fact. Is that hard to understand?

Why do you say that?

It makes much more sense to Block you and kill James than the other way around.
Unless you think scum is absolutely stupid which I assure you they are not because they are one of the three SEs(from your point of view)

[Noraa]

I don't follow the logic to why one of us would be better NK material than the other

scum always blocks you because you are the role blocker. If scum doesn't block you, they run the risk of you blocking them and guiltying them tomorrow. OR the risk of you blocking a vt and clearing them.

If scum block and kill you, that's pretty lame. So they'll kill tracker to get rid of his result

[Noraa]

I mean that was why having both prs claim would be bad since scum now can make sure there are zero results that we can get from prs.
But that was assuming that one of unwnd and super was pr so its good you claimed just because you were a target of suspicion and wagoning you today would've been really bad.

[Noraa]

I guess it was more that Catboi started the wagon and HEM immediately jumped on it - I guess I can see HEM doing that to distance from his partner and thinking the wagon wouldn't go anywhere... idk. I found that entire switch in vote weird coming from HEM since he literally just was scumreading Catbois slot

What are you trying to say here?

[Noraa]

Nora cares so much about Zyla's read on me

Zyla will be alive tomorrow whereas James will not. I must know if Zyla trusts me because if she doesn't and you are scum, town loses the game due to this fact. Is that hard to understand?

I get that, but you need to understand FMPOV I'm also paranoid so you being that way is worrying for me

I mean it doesn't seem like you are really understanding my POV either XD
Tbh I think you are town but I am paranoid. Really paranoid. Because I worry so much that if you are scum, I'm getting steamrolled tomorrow because zyla isn't really listening to me and I feel like I have no chance of convincing her I'm town over you. So if you are scum, the ONLY way for town to win is to lim you TODAY. Because James does not TR you.

And I mean you keep saying you'd play better as scum. The points that James are bringing up aren't that strong imo. You are playing a very strong game. If you are scum, then your manipulation is strong as hell. I don't think this gets any more manipulative. My entire heart is telling me to vote unwnd and yeet him off the planet asap. But my brain is super paranoid of you. This level of play is high enough as it is. If you mean to say your scum game is better than this, then you'd have to be winning flawless scum wins every time or something which I don't believe is true.

[Noraa]

Fine. You know what. Super, I am going to believe you are town. I'm going to let my heart reign free because it wants to so so badly. Please don't be scum. You will absolutely break my heart.

VOTE: Unwnd

[Noraa]

And Zyla, if Unwnd flips town, which I don't think they will, please realize that if I were scum, I would use James' suspicion towards Super and get her killed today because you would pick me over unwnd but you probably wouldn't pick me over super (in terms of towniness). I am trusting my gut and I believe unwnd is scum. I will not be changing this vote for the rest of today but please do know that if unwnd is not scum, scum is not me. Please make the correct decision tomorrow if there is a tomorrow. You know that James wants super dead but you TR super. If I were scum, I would push super to her death and no one would even blame me tomorrow. I would look like misguided town and unwnd would die tomorrow giving me a scum win. That is why I am not scum here. Please think about this and I'm ready to end the day. This is enough information for even two more days. I don't see a point in doing anything if unwnd is giving up their game.
Thank you.

[Noraa]

One of you who is scum wants it more than me and that's fairly evident

I'm the one voting you. Why are you voting super by this logic?

[Noraa]

My current order is:
Super 1st, Noraa 2nd, unwnd no.

Why do you think unwnd is definitely town?

[Noraa]

I mean you look really bad for avoiding the thread while super and I were 1v1ing

[Noraa]

its now clear that you read the thread and you are only at E-2. So you look horrible rn.

[Noraa]

I don't think that's a valid reason and I feel like you should try if you are town since if you are town and you die today, town is probably losing.

[Noraa]

I think ur scum.

[Noraa]

I sure hope unwnd is scum I was literally about to unvote and got pedited

[Noraa]

damn I will be heartbroken if super is scum. I really really desperately hope unwnd is scum.

[Noraa]

I wasn't gonna put my full effort into this regardless

ah so you were scum

[Noraa]

that's good game then?

[Noraa]

GG

Cabd I swear to God I was spam refreshing and freaking out.... lmao

SAME OML

[Noraa]

I am pretty sure I gave Noraa a heart murmur.

CABD IS A MEANIE PANTSSSS HE KEPT TEASING ME
I must tell everyone of his terrible crimes!!
HE ALSO STOLE MY PAGETOP IN MY OWN NOTE PT
I call bullying!! And I being absolutely bullied by dis meaaaaaaniee

[Noraa]

you gave me one I think it's funny Nora and I have a very similar playstyle and were tring each other but also paranoid af

thanks for hosting <3

we were so paranoid lmfaooo

[Noraa]

I for one was holding out hope that unwnd could pull it off when Super decided the argument was so utterly convincing that hammering herself was the only path forward to break the 2-2 tie.

lol. that would never happen

[Noraa]

Noraa, your PT is beautiful, I'm enjoying reading it
(idk why stream of consciousness is so fun to read)

Honestly, I was mostly surprised that Unwnd seemed so defeated when we were close to winning, I was pretty sure that Unwnd was town until that point, due to the fact that my predecessor jailed that slot, so if it weren't for that I probably wouldn't have realized Unwnd was scum

haha thank you

[Noraa]

OMG CABD EDITED MY POST IN MY PT
YET ANOTHER CRIME
WHERE IS THE GREEN PENGUIN I CALL UNFAIRRRR

[Noraa]

I just want to say that I feel absolutely betrayed that Johnnyfarrar died before I got here.
HMPH
*kik*
And also you Jacko HMPH you better haz a good reason!!!!!!!!!!!!
*pout*

[Noraa]

OMG THAT NEW NEWBIE GAME
SEs: Me, Bulge, Catboi, Ita
BOMBBBBBBBBBBB

[Noraa]

Sorry I had to replace out. Need to focus for an entire week.

Noraa, do we know each other? You mentioned you always scumread me

I've certainly seen you around. Whether or not I've played with you on this account idk.

[Noraa]

Nice

Thank you for playing while you did.

No problem, I had to replace out to focus on personal things.

<33333 fiiine
OK WHERE IS MON NOW
how dare he be night killed!
unacceptable.

[Noraa]

Omg your reads are so good. I'm a big fan >.<

[Noraa]

you remind me of clidd!!!!