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In post 35, StrangeMatter wrote:However, #25 and #26 are reasonable concerns. But I won't rule out the possibility that scum could've jumped on it to look town either.
You think both scum would jump on the same thing at the same time?
I meant that it is a completely possible, and while not likely, should not be ignored. Leaving out part of someone's thoughts without a good reason, to me often just comes off as if they're hiding something, or could be actively trying to deceive others.
I was planning to chill in thread for a bit because we have days, and I'm not used to that but
I come back to full on cases and wallposts lol exciting.
In post 35, StrangeMatter wrote:However, #25 and #26 are reasonable concerns. But I won't rule out the possibility that scum could've jumped on it to look town either.
You think both scum would jump on the same thing at the same time?
I meant that it is a completely possible, and while not likely, should not be ignored. Leaving out part of someone's thoughts without a good reason, to me often just comes off as if they're hiding something, or could be actively trying to deceive others.
I think I quoted this because I have no idea what it means tbh
leaving out a part of your thoughts?
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Post #93 (isolation #8) » Tue Jun 22, 2021 7:01 am
Postby Illwei »
In post 87, StrangeMatter wrote:Leaving out your thoughts is kind of like pushing someone scummy, but not really explaining why they are pushing that person.
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Post #94 (isolation #9) » Tue Jun 22, 2021 7:03 am
Postby Illwei »
In post 88, ItalianoVD wrote:I don’t give analysis when I ask questions, that’s why I ask questions. I also don’t assume things because it annoys me to no end when people do it to me so I ask questions so people can actually answer them.
Can you define "assuming things" because I feel like at least a whole big part of mafia is based on assuming things, even if the assumptions are more of educated guesses?
In post 88, ItalianoVD wrote:I don’t give analysis when I ask questions, that’s why I ask questions. I also don’t assume things because it annoys me to no end when people do it to me so I ask questions so people can actually answer them.
Can you define "assuming things" because I feel like at least a whole big part of mafia is based on assuming things, even if the assumptions are more of educated guesses?
Even in the scenario of assuming how someone would play (individually or generally) as either alignment
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Post #100 (isolation #12) » Tue Jun 22, 2021 7:17 am
Postby Illwei »
Sorry, yeah. Non Alignment Indicative
Basically Italian's questioning feels uberpointless because he's asking a question that doesn't need to be asked
Bak could have had some sort of scummy answer to that question, but really never a towny one.
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Post #128 (isolation #15) » Tue Jun 22, 2021 10:17 am
Postby Illwei »
In post 105, Noraa wrote:
I find this funny because I find your vote on Roden to be way more opportunistic than anything else that has happened in this game. I don't know what you're trying to do here tbh but im alright with it because im still scum leaning Roden atm.
This feels like a strange double standard to me in a way tbh
I'm not sure of the meta here but my vote is very fluid. I'll vote what I'm thinking when I'm thinking it rather than just say something. In this case it's mostly a vibes vote rn. Dismissive instead of defensive works for them, but their responses to you didn't feel great to me. un momento.
In post 100, Illwei wrote:Bak could have had some sort of scummy answer to that question, but really never a towny one.
I don't understand this logic at all. What do you mean?
There's no reason someone could give for "why didn't you respond to the vote on you" that would make me think they're town, but there's plenty of things they could say that would be ehhhh
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Post #130 (isolation #17) » Tue Jun 22, 2021 10:18 am
Postby Illwei »
In post 112, StrangeMatter wrote:I'm wondering, @Italiano, why do you keep asking questions such as asking about people's votes or RVS like they mean something?
This feels like an opportunistic jump
Idk abt here but I've heard RVS reffered to as RQS as well, random questions or whatnot. anything in RVS is more useful than nothing, and I think everything means more than nothing.
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Post #131 (isolation #18) » Tue Jun 22, 2021 10:21 am
Postby Illwei »
lmao I just re read Roden and couldn't find what I was looking for I'm hallucinating over here help.
it was mostly I thought he said something about Nora's reads not meaning anything on him that I didn't like. Someone tell me if I hallucinated that into existance or not though.
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Post #191 (isolation #19) » Wed Jun 23, 2021 7:29 pm
Postby Illwei »
In post 142, StrangeMatter wrote:Where is everyone right now, I get that discussion is a bit harder with a person VLA, and one has to be replaced, but 6 other people aren't even talking at all. That kind of seems like a waste of a day to have no discussion whatsoever. So can those 6 people explain why they're not talking right now?
Don't expect me to be so active, I joined this game because I don't have so much time during the days anymore but still wanted to play a game, so I figured one that wasn't 48/24 would be easier for my schedule.
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Post #298 (isolation #22) » Fri Jun 25, 2021 1:45 pm
Postby Illwei »
In post 200, The Bulge wrote:Roden, I hope you've had a good night's sleep and are in a better mood today. have you had a chance to reread our exchange from last night at all?
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Post #308 (isolation #24) » Fri Jun 25, 2021 6:41 pm
Postby Illwei »
In post 305, GrandpaMo wrote:i have a question do you scumread bimblesticks then ? becuase u say u dont like their post in 195. just answer that question and i will have a 100% response to u
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Post #309 (isolation #25) » Fri Jun 25, 2021 6:43 pm
Postby Illwei »
In post 305, GrandpaMo wrote:these seem like filler logs -- you come in to the thread talk about how you don't like something and leave and never addressing the two possible votes on you.
what would you like me to say to them?
if you find me you find me if you don't then you don't
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Post #310 (isolation #26) » Fri Jun 25, 2021 6:47 pm
Postby Illwei »
In post 307, StrangeMatter wrote:Right now the person I'm the least certain on anything right now is Bimblesticks. Really want them to participate in the conversations more to read anything conclusive on them.
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Post #363 (isolation #27) » Sat Jun 26, 2021 4:19 pm
Postby Illwei »
In post 326, piisirrational wrote:My question to you is, why DON'T you care about the votes on you? As town, you want to get enough information as possible, so if you are getting voted by people who may possibly be scum, you would want to address why they're voting you so you could possibly sort out the alignments of your votes
Gotta be completely honest I don't follow this one bit tbh.
I think it might be the fact that I can't comprehend the statement "enough information as possible" tbh. Because. that...just...doesn't...
well.
They say why they're voting on me tbh, so why would me engaging in that matter at all? If I feel the need to defend then I will but to be frank, I don't have the energy right now, and I don't see how defending myself would help me sort them.
and what do u feel about the scumreads on you? including mine
mmm sure
My vote was a statement
There's paranoia but pretty much just nora rn.
overall like bulge but there were a couple things that I didn't tbh. flip that for roden though I guess.
He's felt a bit agressive in the beginning but idk how to read people who are new but not really because they study or something
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Post #397 (isolation #30) » Sun Jun 27, 2021 1:44 pm
Postby Illwei »
In post 393, StrangeMatter wrote:Actually, I have a quick question for @Illwei. How much do you know about playing Mafia?
Here? not much tbh.
My community is pretty casual. I played a game here and subbed out sometime during it. I think it might have been in december? or january. or febuary tbh. games here run for a while.
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Post #398 (isolation #31) » Sun Jun 27, 2021 1:45 pm
Postby Illwei »
In post 395, StrangeMatter wrote:This is important that they answer. I'm not going to answer why I'm asking this question.
that's fun
tbh idk what you're really asking for here, you can search my username (though it seems that people are having trouble spelling it right smh.) and find me if you really wanted to tbh.
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Post #408 (isolation #32) » Sun Jun 27, 2021 6:20 pm
Postby Illwei »
In post 401, Ydrasse wrote:illwei had a really good post early on that i feel is uh, pretty hard for a new player to make as scum. what's the reason they're scumread?
In post 409, Illwei wrote:tbh it is sad that people never respond immediately it makes me sad sometimes but
basically this will be my almost 50th game of forum mafia tbh, albeit in not a long day format here, and not all of them super serious tbh.
If you prefer it when people respond immediately, could you please explain why you voted for me, which I've been trying to get you to do for about 100 posts now? Could you please also respond to what I asked in Posts 369 and 372?
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Post #491 (isolation #39) » Tue Jun 29, 2021 8:29 am
Postby Illwei »
In post 480, Bimblesticks wrote:Illwei, if you don't want to get voted today, I'd appreciate it if you answered some questions:
1. Why did you vote for me? What is your read on me at the moment, considering you haven't unvoted?
2. Why have you been reacting to everything with apathy? Do you just not care about this game?
3. Do you genuinely belive cabd/mo are the scumteam? Can you not understand why people are suspicious of you?
Also, I disagree with Ydresse that Post 363 is a town post. The argument made here doesn't make sense, townies should obviously want as much information as possible and to pressure people that vote for them.
1. because whatshisface didn't. their post read like something they wanted to pressure, and then they didn't add pressure, and I was like ???? but brain doesn't work so that was my way of expressing that.
2. my dude I don't care about life right now, but there have been so many sub outs already and I subbed out of my last MS game so I am here out of sheer stubbornness
3. No. That was a joke. because they are both repeatedly spelling my name how it sounds and not how it is spelled, but they both seem to hear it differently. I found it funny lol.
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Post #514 (isolation #42) » Tue Jun 29, 2021 9:46 am
Postby Illwei »
In post 512, Lukewarm wrote:If you really are scum, then this is what the "tbh tell" looks like. In future games, you can try to avoid it in the future now that you know its a thing. If you're town, then in the future you can point to this game to say "the tbh tell does not work with me" lol
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Post #609 (isolation #44) » Wed Jun 30, 2021 9:03 am
Postby Illwei »
In post 606, Lukewarm wrote:Comparing your current game (where you alignment is unknown) to your other games, where we know your alignment is a pretty effective way to sort people you are unsure on.
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Post #610 (isolation #45) » Wed Jun 30, 2021 9:42 am
Postby Illwei »
In post 607, Lukewarm wrote:@Illwei -- is there any thing about this game that would result in your posts sounding/feeling different then your last?
Nothing specific to this game, but it has both been a bit me not having as much time as I did last time, with one a few hours each day to get on, and also my IRL wim being non-existant : P
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Post #627 (isolation #46) » Wed Jun 30, 2021 11:29 am
Postby Illwei »
What is even the point of CCing if you are just going to immediately say "ahahhaha it is NAI from me and a joke!!" I'd at least wait longer to see what happens
In post 627, Illwei wrote:What is even the point of CCing if you are just going to immediately say "ahahhaha it is NAI from me and a joke!!" I'd at least wait longer to see what happens
no.
see this is scum.
why do you wanna wait to see what sang wants to say?
did you want to sang to actually CLAIM cop there? and get a cc on me so u could figure out who is real or not?
if it's a cover then there's no point in taking it back even if you're getting heat. if you are the real doc then why cc right now when he wasn't going to be voted off anyways.
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Post #637 (isolation #48) » Wed Jun 30, 2021 12:31 pm
Postby Illwei »
I don't think this makes you scum because again I think that those two scenarios would make more sense for scum trying to be townie, but that doesn't make it any less useful.
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Post #638 (isolation #49) » Wed Jun 30, 2021 12:31 pm
Postby Illwei »
In post 637, Illwei wrote:I don't think this makes you scum because again I think that those two scenarios would make more sense for scum trying to be townie, but that doesn't make it any less useful.
also for townies in general but that's irrelevant here
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Post #764 (isolation #50) » Wed Jun 30, 2021 7:38 pm
Postby Illwei »
I am just finding it hilarious that this game is basically no longer the same game that started, unless you think it is. that whole boat story or whatnot, you know.
I want to talk but I dread posting because I'm going to be expected to solve and I am too lost to solve right now if that even makes any sense
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Post #766 (isolation #52) » Wed Jun 30, 2021 8:07 pm
Postby Illwei »
In post 676, sang froid wrote:(1) the idea of "deciding" how to read someone is uh, odd to me
and (2) a read in terms of town/scum being based on reasonableness also seems strange. town are often unreasonable, scum very often try hard to be reasonable. why does the read depend on this?
Personally it makes sense to me in a way- just in the fact that you can read people differently for different reasons, unless I'm misinterpreting him.
I didn't take it as reading people who are unreasonable as scum and reasonable as town, but as players that don't make sense generally or are loud and flailing are sometimes easier/different to read than people who are more controlled or whatnot
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Post #838 (isolation #57) » Sun Jul 04, 2021 12:34 am
Postby Illwei »
In post 789, The Bulge wrote:that is really a shocking statistic yea lol. it's not really the same as a meta tell, because I'm not saying "Illwei is scum because as town he never says tbh". what I'm saying is the TBH tell is real, and affects new players more than anyone else, but it means absolutely nothing if "tbh" or any other variant is a common part of a person's normal lexicon. the fact that you said it zero times in your town game, contrasted with how densely packed your usage is here, tells me it's not necessarily just a natural way of speaking for you, and could very well be scum-indicative.
lmao I blame a certain Monsieur Boquise who I encountered on MU for it's sudden appearance and disappearance in my vocabulary
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Post #839 (isolation #58) » Sun Jul 04, 2021 12:38 am
Postby Illwei »
I am trying to find
trying to find some things that I was like oh I wanted to respond to this when I woke up and then was like oh day is over and now I can't find them