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In post 35, StrangeMatter wrote:However, #25 and #26 are reasonable concerns. But I won't rule out the possibility that scum could've jumped on it to look town either.
You think both scum would jump on the same thing at the same time?
I meant that it is a completely possible, and while not likely, should not be ignored. Leaving out part of someone's thoughts without a good reason, to me often just comes off as if they're hiding something, or could be actively trying to deceive others.
In post 52, StrangeMatter wrote:I meant that it is a completely possible, and while not likely, should not be ignored. Leaving out part of someone's thoughts without a good reason, to me often just comes off as if they're hiding something, or could be actively trying to deceive others.
I get that but sometimes you do have to just be logical. It’s not about ignoring it’s just logic. Do you think they are both scum? Just one? Who?
Right now, it's more or less due to their interactions that I think that. But right now, I'm not really sure if either of them are scum right now. I will say that it would look bad if one of them flips red at some point.
In post 35, StrangeMatter wrote:However, #25 and #26 are reasonable concerns. But I won't rule out the possibility that scum could've jumped on it to look town either.
You think both scum would jump on the same thing at the same time?
I meant that it is a completely possible, and while not likely, should not be ignored. Leaving out part of someone's thoughts without a good reason, to me often just comes off as if they're hiding something, or could be actively trying to deceive others.
I think I quoted this because I have no idea what it means tbh
leaving out a part of your thoughts?[/quote]
Leaving out your thoughts is kind of like pushing someone scummy, but not really explaining why they are pushing that person.
In post 87, StrangeMatter wrote:Right now, it's more or less due to their interactions that I think that. But right now, I'm not really sure if either of them are scum right now.
I will say that it would look bad if one of them flips red at some point.
Aight. And who would it look bad for? What do you think of Roden’s vote on you?
This question is a bit weird. It would look bad for the person who did not get voted. I don't see why you would ask this question if you can figure out the answer without me needing to say it. As for what I think of Roden's vote on me, it's pressure, so its nothing new there. I'm not too sure what they mean by defensive in that post though, which I do find a little weird.
In post 35, StrangeMatter wrote:However, #25 and #26 are reasonable concerns. But I won't rule out the possibility that scum could've jumped on it to look town either.
You think both scum would jump on the same thing at the same time?
I meant that it is a completely possible, and while not likely, should not be ignored. Leaving out part of someone's thoughts without a good reason, to me often just comes off as if they're hiding something, or could be actively trying to deceive others.
what are you referring to in the second sentence here?
In post 87, StrangeMatter wrote:Right now, it's more or less due to their interactions that I think that. But right now, I'm not really sure if either of them are scum right now.
I will say that it would look bad if one of them flips red at some point.
Aight. And who would it look bad for? What do you think of Roden’s vote on you?
This question is a bit weird. It would look bad for the person who did not get voted. I don't see why you would ask this question if you can figure out the answer without me needing to say it. As for what I think of Roden's vote on me, it's pressure, so its nothing new there. I'm not too sure what they mean by defensive in that post though, which I do find a little weird.
do you really not see the merit in asking people questions in the game of mafia??
pedit - Who is leaving out their thoughts on what?
No, I absolutely do see merit in asking people questions in a game of mafia. It's when the questions aren't reasonable is where I draw a line.
It isn't who in this game is leaving out their thoughts, its more that its not pro town to hide what you think about someone or a situation.
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Post #142 (isolation #21) » Wed Jun 23, 2021 8:10 am
Postby StrangeMatter »
Where is everyone right now, I get that discussion is a bit harder with a person VLA, and one has to be replaced, but 6 other people aren't even talking at all. That kind of seems like a waste of a day to have no discussion whatsoever. So can those 6 people explain why they're not talking right now?
In post 112, StrangeMatter wrote:I'm wondering, @Italiano, why do you keep asking questions such as asking about people's votes or RVS like they mean something?
This feels like an opportunistic jump
Idk abt here but I've heard RVS reffered to as RQS as well, random questions or whatnot. anything in RVS is more useful than nothing, and I think everything means more than nothing.
Not sure about what you thought that made this an opportunistic jump. I just wanted them to answer that question, and got what I think was a pretty good response from it, so I'm happy to back off.
In post 141, StrangeMatter wrote:I'm still waiting on Italiano to answer the question from #112. Really want to know what their thought process was with it.
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In post 112, StrangeMatter wrote:I'm wondering, @Italiano, why do you keep asking questions such as asking about people's votes or RVS like they mean something?
I ask questions the way I do because I not only want to just sort players I want to know and see how they think. I wanna know why people do the things they do or don't do the things they do. I want to know how players think and what's going on in their head, not just why they did something. I usually do this with RQS but sometimes I do it the way you see it here. It just depends on how I'm feeling. Some people think it's weird or suspicious but hey I'm not playing for them, I'm playing for myself and it works for me because I've caught plenty of scum/wolves that way, but it also helps me accurately pinpoint town players so finding scum is easier.
tell me what you got out of it?
I got out of that why they asked that question, and a little bit of a look into how they play. That, is usually pretty helpful.
In post 127, StrangeMatter wrote:It isn't who in this game is leaving out their thoughts, its more that its not pro town to hide what you think about someone or a situation.
I was asking specifically about 52. what prompted you to bring that up in the first place?
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Post #192 (isolation #29) » Wed Jun 23, 2021 7:33 pm
Postby StrangeMatter »
In post 187, The Bulge wrote:when you made 52, you were talking about me and Noraa at first. why did you then start talking about "Leaving out part of someone's thoughts"?
Most of it was just trying to be trustworthy considering past experiences of having others not trust me, and Town being in complete chaos with nobody working together.
In post 206, StrangeMatter wrote:I think there's one detail that I think should've been brought up, but has The Buldge actually pushed a wagon on Roden to eliminate them?
that's what i thought as well -- i thought the reasonings on roden implied that bulge highly scumreads roden for x and x
i give +1 townping for this thought process
I think you misunderstood what I meant to say. I'm wondering why there's a thought that The Bulge is scumreading them, yet they aren't actually pushing to get them voted. Generally, from what I've read so far, I've haven't seen them really wagon despite what I have read from most of their posts. Wouldn't scum who is taking something like voting an easy person like Rodan, and lean into that?
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Post #218 (isolation #32) » Thu Jun 24, 2021 2:41 pm
Postby StrangeMatter »
In post 214, GrandpaMo wrote:
why do you think i thought this was a tvt situtation lol -- it just feels like roden frustrated town and bulge is trying there best to solve their allignment. also its more of nai imo -- there are better reasons to town/scum read them but votes isn't something u rlly look at until u look at hammers / voting patterns
To me, it's not about the votes themselves, its looking like they want to vote someone out or not, and getting other people join the wagon. That, is what I was really looking for, which I did not really see. From what you've said before, you made it seem pretty ambiguous what you meant for a few of those posts, which prompted said questions.
In post 162, StrangeMatter wrote:I'm going to reread more into Nora and Roden's arguments more right now.
I'd love to hear your opinion on it!
From what I see, these conversations feel very Town vs Town, where both have made posts that ping me as Town. However, I'm very on the fence when it comes to Roden's defensiveness, especially when they conversed with you, and then Buldge. It looks kind of scummy, but at the same time I'm not really able to read anything from said defensiveness, as it can go either way for me. I'm just going to leave them as a somewhat small Townlean for right now.
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Post #263 (isolation #36) » Fri Jun 25, 2021 10:33 am
Postby StrangeMatter »
Could you point out what you see that makes me one of the slots that has scum @Noraa? I was wondering about post #257 and I would really like to hear it from you directly.
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Post #307 (isolation #38) » Fri Jun 25, 2021 5:51 pm
Postby StrangeMatter »
Right now the person I'm the least certain on anything right now is Bimblesticks. Really want them to participate in the conversations more to read anything conclusive on them.
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Post #320 (isolation #39) » Sat Jun 26, 2021 4:40 am
Postby StrangeMatter »
In post 318, Noraa wrote:Im about to be full on vla until the 28th. for real this time.
I dont like grandpa mo anymore. yay life is beautiful.
Roden, man you just really set me on fire with every post. Everytime I start thinking you might be town, you come back and light the whole fire up again. oh well. not my problem until I'm back from exams.
Bulge and Cabd are totally different things. Bulge is 100% town and even if he is scum, I'll be able to catch him.
Cabd will steamroll our asses if he is scum.
Bulge is 0% of a threat compared to Cabd.
So I take that you've had experience with them before?
In post 318, Noraa wrote:dont like grandpa mo anymore. yay life is beautiful.
can you explain why? i think i will townread you more for this -- i doubt you as scum would be scumreading me here, i don't think you would take that risk especially when we already had the same thought process of the voting pool between italiono, illwee, bimblesticks,
and that other 4th person i forgot(going on top of my head)
Hang on, who do you mean by the 4th person? And, how certain are you that they are scum?
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Post #348 (isolation #43) » Sat Jun 26, 2021 1:22 pm
Postby StrangeMatter »
I think there's enough consequences considering what's happening with this conversation right now. I think this has been less and less helpful the longer everyone keeps arguing like this. So can we please move on?
In post 326, piisirrational wrote:My question to you is, why DON'T you care about the votes on you? As town, you want to get enough information as possible, so if you are getting voted by people who may possibly be scum, you would want to address why they're voting you so you could possibly sort out the alignments of your votes
Gotta be completely honest I don't follow this one bit tbh.
I think it might be the fact that I can't comprehend the statement "enough information as possible" tbh. Because. that...just...doesn't...
well.
They say why they're voting on me tbh, so why would me engaging in that matter at all? If I feel the need to defend then I will but to be frank, I don't have the energy right now, and I don't see how defending myself would help me sort them.
If I may, I'd like to answer this. Sorting is not defending, and is more like gauging someone's alignment from their responses and such.
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Post #377 (isolation #47) » Sun Jun 27, 2021 7:40 am
Postby StrangeMatter »
I have a question about some terms right before I put out my thoughts on the game so far. What is TSTBS and IIOA? Those are terms I see but not really something very new to me.
StrangeMatter have you explained your scumread? Where did YOUR scumread start from... ?
because it feels like me and piirational are the only one who actually had a geninue scumcase on illwee. (other than bimblesticks )
@strange r u able to scumcase them, WITHOUT saying anything we had already said -- unique info that illwee could be scum?
I just realized I made a mistake writing and rushing out my thoughts. To me they're actually null, due to me not reading into them much from the beginning. Plus, I doubt I could make a scumcase without saying anything already said anyways. I just now switched back to a computer, so I'm going to read into them and come back to this. I'll admit that this is a bit scummy, though.
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Post #400 (isolation #53) » Sun Jun 27, 2021 3:09 pm
Postby StrangeMatter »
I think this should be brought up. I noticed this but if Illwei has a mafia partner, they're either intentionally not helping them, or they don't have a partner at all.
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Post #403 (isolation #54) » Sun Jun 27, 2021 5:01 pm
Postby StrangeMatter »
In post 401, Ydrasse wrote:illwei had a really good post early on that i feel is uh, pretty hard for a new player to make as scum. what's the reason they're scumread?
I'm not sure I'm seeing what you're seeing. I do think from their current playstyle that it seems less likely they're scum, and just low effort town.
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Post #449 (isolation #56) » Mon Jun 28, 2021 10:25 am
Postby StrangeMatter »
In post 447, GrandpaMo wrote:I feel like Pii is indidually towny, but with Illwee -- they seem scummy.
I have a question (anyone can answer this) ... How do I as town, approach a sitatuion for this? Do I overall townread them because they had posts that showed their towniess? Or do I scumread them overall, because associative with Illwee -- they could have been just sheeping me to follow a bus on them.
Can I see what pings you as a possibility of those two being scum together?
In post 447, GrandpaMo wrote:I feel like Pii is indidually towny, but with Illwee -- they seem scummy.
I have a question (anyone can answer this) ... How do I as town, approach a sitatuion for this? Do I overall townread them because they had posts that showed their towniess? Or do I scumread them overall, because associative with Illwee -- they could have been just sheeping me to follow a bus on them.
Can I see what pings you as a possibility of those two being scum together?
Can you rephrase your question? Or explain what you mean? Because I am having a hard time understanding this.
Can you please point out what makes it seem like they are sheeping you into a bus?
Is that okay? Or are you going to force me say it smh.
I just had a question -- since I am interacting with you now.
Do you agree or disagree? Or you don't have the info to tell.
I don't have the information to give a reasonable answer to this. I kind of wish you would say now, but you'd better give a good reason if Illwei ends up flipping green.