Newbie 2077 : The Curse of a Blue Diamond!! - Gameover

[Pavowski]

Hi all.

This game is kinda cursed, huh?

I'm reading back, but if anybody felt like giving me a tl;dr version I wouldn't be mad at you

[Pavowski]

Yeah I saw the votes on my slot. Voting for lurkscum makes sense, and Astro's answers for being lurky are bad, but I can't answer for that, gonna try to make a clean start here.

The end of d1 was a mess. 3 votes within an hour or two after the deadline passed. Very weird. If I were in full paranoia mode I'd be looking at those slots first, but I'm not inclined to start from maximum paranoia

I am wondering how everybody feels about the Uranus slot after failing to flip it d1.

[Pavowski]

After a skim of the first 20 pages, I'd be most interested to see a flip of one of Faria (now Norwegian?) and the Rad Rat.

Still catching up

[Pavowski]

Up to page 30 in my skim through. Kinda feeling town pings on Salsa/Norwegian slot, scum pings on Rat. Hard to get a feel for STD, which tracks with the previous game I've played with him.

I'm moving quickly through these early pages; I feel weird drawing too many conclusions based on what happened prior to my entrance. If anybody has a particular post or interaction they'd like me to weigh in on, please point me in that direction, otherwise I'm gonna focus on getting a feel for you all, since this will be my first tangle with most of you

[Pavowski]

CLS if I were prepared say I think you're town, would it be a mistake? Cuz I think you are probably town.

Your 802 is helpful as I crash-land into this game. I think it's a fair chance scum is an early vote on either wagon, maybe both. But if not both, I'd say it's more likely scum is on the 2nd wagon than the first (time becomes a factor and scum wants a miselim).

Oh and same statement for 816 where you added the Salsa wagon.

That would give me top sus on LQ, Norwegian, Uranus, for starters. Hmm.

On to the back half of the 30s

[Pavowski]

Not sure I agree LQ. Miselims are in scum's best interest whether the scum team is feeling heat or not. My personal feeling (could be wrong of course) is that scum would rather be an early vote on a wagon than a late one, as the hammer and e-1 votes tend to get a little more scrutiny.

I'm not ready to partner-solve yet, just trying to get a foothold into the game.

[Pavowski]

Not sure I agree LQ. Miselims are in scum's best interest whether the scum team is feeling heat or not. My personal feeling (could be wrong of course) is that scum would rather be an early vote on a wagon than a late one, as the hammer and e-1 votes tend to get a little more scrutiny.

I'm not ready to partner-solve yet, just trying to get a foothold into the game.

The thing is, if Scum is not in danger of getting Elimmed, then they can wait back and weigh their options. You can't tell me you've never been in a situation as Scum where Town was super off track and you thought it would be best to make a strong push, right? Like, only a super try hard Deep Wolf would make that play. I guess that is what you are arguing for then?

Like, isn't you going after me basically the same thing you are accusing me of rn? You are going after a players who pretty much everyone TRs because they made a strong push. I just don't know why you think that is more often Rand<Scum. Town has just as much incentive to do it as Scum if not more incentive than to do it as Scum. So we are back to square one. You think it's more likely that Scum make a super strong push than it is for Town to. To me, that doesn't make any sense.

I'm "going for you" in the weakest of ways at this point. (I've been in game for all of maybe 5 hours now? Hi, btw!) Just making some observations. To me, I look at the wagons CLS details in 802 and 816 and I say scum is more likely to be on those wagons early than late. Given there is very little overlap between the first two wagons, scum is in there somewhere. You think scum is more likely to get on the wagon late?

[Pavowski]

Interesting, and I'll accept that for newbscum, but I think it's a mistake to assume scum not being proactive.

[Pavowski]

You might be right *in general* but I've seen plenty of proactive scum.

I'll even amend my statement:

If I were scum, I would rather be an early vote on a wagon than the e-1 or hammer vote.

[Pavowski]

If you think me thinking scum could be in the early votes on the D1 wagons is scummy, you're welcome to think it. Personally I think you're resisting my suspicions a little strongly given how passively I described them. I'm not even thru reading the thread yet.

No, I don't have stronger evidence yet. I've only been in the heckin game for a few hours, man. But I disagree with you that votes, and vote order, is NAI.

[Pavowski]

So, you are pushing NAI stuff as Scummy, which is Scummy

What am I pushing as scummy, then, that is NAI?

[Pavowski]

I'll finish reading the thread tomorrow, btw. I'm just about at the end of D1.

[Pavowski]

Up and doing a page or two before work. Uranus, at e-1 on p 39, tries to redirect attention to reg. This gains no traction, but the wagon on Uranus doesn't reach completion, and in the night Reg is killed.

Interesting.

[Pavowski]

That being said, why does scum!Uranus leave a reads list if he thinks he's hammered. Doesn't track. Uranus probtown. CLS probtown for the post not-actually-hammered reaction.

[Pavowski]

Grinding thru these last few pages a bit more closely/slowly while at work. Kenny's vote on CLS (1064) is bad. CLS's joke about the floo claim (that didn't happen) is also bad but so blatant and weird there is no way to assume scum!CLS thought he would not be called on it.

[Pavowski]

But I disagree with you that votes, and vote order, is NAI.

That's not my argument, bro.

I jumped on you because I saw your argument was fundamentally flawed. And I've seen Scum "work up" progression before.

So, you are pushing NAI stuff as Scummy, which is Scummy

What am I pushing as scummy, then, that is NAI?

Is this a serious question? It's staring you right in the face. You think it's more Scummy than Townie for the early voters on the wagons. That's NAI at best.

Am I having a stroke?

[Pavowski]

Know what, please forgive the tone of that last post. I just don't know what we're arguing about. I absolutely think the order of votes means something. I wouldn't say somebody is scum based on that info alone, but in light of other factors it can be useful.

[Pavowski]

LQ I agree with that assessment on Uranus, but do you think he's scum in light of his post-not-really-hammer readslist?

I don't see scum saying a damn thing in that spot, though I could see manufacturing it to look town, maybe (I do not know Uranus's meta at all so not sure how possible that is).

He's not a terrible vote but wouldn't be my first choice at the moment.

[Pavowski]

Looking back, it looks like you are talking about Uranus' 991. IDK, I feel that RL could have been given to throw off Town if Uranus is Scum here. Uranus would have been in anti-spew mode if they were Scum there. Therefore, you would not be able to read into the RL for correct information.

I would say it's lightly Townie given Uranus gave a RL after they

*might*

have been hammered, but it's not enough to change my read there.

That, along with 987 and 988, yeah.

I would almost say that CLS needs to be scum with Uranus for Uranus to be scum in that situation, and that seems pretty farfetched for me.

[Pavowski]

For the record I'm reading absolutely nothing into the reads in 991 at all, simply stating the fact he dropped reads in that position *at all* feels townie.

Townie enough to balance out the scumpings on his slot? That's tough.

[Pavowski]

A vote count would be boffo but I could get behind a Norwee lim.

[Pavowski]

I dunno if I've ever seen anybody list themselves in their own pool of elim possibilities, lol.

[Pavowski]

This checks out.

[Pavowski]

I'm actually kinda with the rat right now. I'd rather get Kenny but that does not at all look likely today. You're a lot closer to null for me but at least we can learn things from your flip.

You're also looking a little bit frozen which I don't love.

Then again, so does Uranus, as LQ pointed out

I dunno, this game is a mess right now and we need a lim.

[Pavowski]

Problem is StD also sounds pretty much exactly like he did in the previous game I played with him, when he was scum and flew under the radar after coming close to getting limmed early.

This pretty much means I don't think he should make it to elo, assuming we make it that far.

[Pavowski]

VOTE: Uranus

Norwee, here's something that's bugged me about you ever since I landed in this game. It's late D1. People have expressed fear that the day will end with no elim. Uranus sits at e-1, nothing happens.

The deadline arrives and passes.

LQ casts a vote that will be hammer, if it counts. (It doesn't.)

Then you vote a full hour and a half later. This is entirely a show vote: the deadline is past and even if it wasn't, Uranus was hammered by LQ. Why vote here?

[Pavowski]

Problem is StD also sounds pretty much exactly like he did in the previous game I played with him, when he was scum and flew under the radar after coming close to getting limmed early.

This pretty much means I don't think he should make it to elo, assuming we make it that far.

Can you link that game?

viewtopic.php?f=11&t=86874

[Pavowski]

That entire situation just strikes me so weird. The lazy brain solution to why it went that way is that you and Uranus are the scum team, and you voted for him after deadline when you saw he wasn't limmed to at least show "hey look, I voted him". But still knowing your vote wouldn't count and didn't matter.

Granted LQ also voted post deadline, but very shortly after and when votes were still needed to secure the elim. CLS voted right after you, which I also don't love, but I'm townier on CLS right now.

[Pavowski]

Intent to hammer in 12 hours or when norwee claims, whichever comes first.

[Pavowski]

Yep

[Pavowski]

We're inside 24 hours CLS, and you've seen the pace of this game. What's up?

[Pavowski]

I held off since rat asked for reads, which was a reasonable ask. It looks like those reads are not coming.

Let's go CLS. VOTE: Norwee e-1 again

[Pavowski]

I trust but arc usually posts in the middle of the night (for me) so we could be waiting a bit for the flip in this case. Norwee just sounds defeated here and I don't think he's coming back to thread. look at his claim and his last several posts.

Anyway at the moment I'm with rat, if this flips green I'm looking at Kenny next. If it's red almost certainly Uranus.

[Pavowski]

Well "almost certainly" may be a little strong but we'll see, I need to stop prognosticating and wait for the flip.

[Pavowski]

Scum team still has 2 so I wouldn't post about who jk/tracker should target. Just take your best guess.

Sorry Norwee. I'll reread some for next day but logic and wifom and probability tells me there's one scum on and one scum off your wagon.

Hopefully the night actions are instructive

[Pavowski]

@mod can we get the flip please?

[Pavowski]

That'll be what, the 6th replacement in this game? 7th? Yikes.

[Pavowski]

Seriously frustrated by the end of the previous day. Norwee claims town after they're limmed and Uranus just slinks out ... why?

I seriously don't want to jump all over somebody repping into the slot but that doesn't look great.

Want to hear who got jailed but for now VOTE: Kenny instead

[Pavowski]

Seriously frustrated by the end of the previous day. Norwee claims town after they're limmed and Uranus just slinks out ... why?

I seriously don't want to jump all over somebody repping into the slot but that doesn't look great.

Want to hear who got jailed but for now VOTE: Kenny instead

Explain the kenny vote please. I have my own wacky conspiracy for why he's totally still scum despite Norwee's flip, but I want to hear your thoughts here too.

Very weird interactions from Norwee on the slot, versus Norwee's consistent TR on LQ which just strikes me as tmi telling.

Also don't see a great reason to bus in this position, which means Kenny or Uranus slot. Since I don't want to pile on Uranus slot until his rep gets a chance to speak, I'll settle for Kenny to lead off.

It's prob Uranus though.

[Pavowski]

Sorry I didn't realize strange was already posting, gonna stop calling you Uranus slot lol

[Pavowski]

Btw welcome to the dumpster fire Strange

[Pavowski]

Since I don't want to pile on Uranus slot until his rep gets a chance to speak, I'll settle for Kenny to lead off.

It's prob Uranus though.

Here Strange, I quoted more of that post for you.

I have some feelings about voting off somebody who just repped in, and I like my Kenny vote anyway, but if you want my vote, you can have it

[Pavowski]

Also for those of us scum reading Uranus for lurkiness, it's been nearly a week for Kenny.

Anyway, sleep.

[Pavowski]

Also for those of us scum reading Uranus for lurkiness, it's been nearly a week for Kenny.

Anyway, sleep.

(psst, they were in VLA. it ended today)

Withdrawn then, that's my whoops.

[Pavowski]

I wonder if somebody smarter than me could articulate a reason why JK shouldn't reveal today. Seems like on balance the chance to get scum #2 today (if jk targeted their scum read) or to confirm 2 players (jk and their protect) is a chance worth taking against giving scum the target.

[Pavowski]

Well, that's interesting, Rat.

All of it.

Especially your last post.

Pondering this over some tacos.

[Pavowski]

I personally don't love the idea of burning time until ELO jailing Kenny, but I'm impatient like that.

I also don't trust the idea of a non-killing scum; the villager pool is large enough that hanging back from fear of being tracked doesn't really, well, track to me. (ie with 7 people alive, I'd make the kill, and if the tracker got me, then call it gg).

Simpler solutions tend to be righter. Combine this with kenny being off the wagon yesterday... I think this is a good lim.

Kinda curious to see how this plays with LQ's super sekrit calculations, but...

The tacos, heavy in my gut, have compelled me to stay where I am.

[Pavowski]

Humbly requesting STD place a vote before you v/la out.

Or CLS could just hammer here.

[Pavowski]

Good points this morning.

I'm not in a hurry to hammer, but given rat's claim, we have one question to answer today. (Well, maybe 2.)

Is rat lying? If so, he's scum, the real jk should cc. We lim one today, one tomorrow, and we win. If not, the 2nd question.

Did rat jail scum to force the no-nk or did scum no-nk on their own?

I've said already I don't think scum skips their chance to whittle down the town so for me the overwhelming vote is on Kenny. But if they did, Kenny has kindly given us a way to get some more mileage out of rat before he's NK'd tonight.

Paradoxically, this gives Kenny town points but also makes me think we need to kill him to be sure we're not in one of the (fmpov) more likely scenarios.

And if Kenny is town, rat should jail whomever (jailing goes thru even if JK is killed, unless scum is jailed, right?). Jk me if you want, but I'd be looking at strange if the game goes another day.

[Pavowski]

I will also point out, though, that rat announcing his target for tonight gives scum an opportunity to no-kill again to frame that person, so be on the lookout for that if, in fact, rat does choose to jail me.

Again that assumes we make it that far, which I'm not sure is a foregone conclusion. I still think it's a good chance game is over with a hammer here. But by all means talk it out first.

[Pavowski]

NGL I'm low-key excited to get jailed, I don't think I've been jailed before. Curious what scum will do with the opportunity. (Again, assuming we make it that far, which I will admit, seems likelier than before Kenny's posts today.)

In my defense though, that would mean I was bussing Norwee yesterday and I still think it makes zero sense for scum to bus right there. By that logic I would say if the JK target is not me, it should be strange

[Pavowski]

Fair point. I'd argue that a D1 bus makes more sense than a d2 one. But now we're talking about actions taken by players no longer in the game, lol.

The ending here is shaping up to be more interesting than I expected at least, so that's something.

[Pavowski]

I am Schroedinger's Pav

[Pavowski]

I have been burned by scum posting psycho screeds in twilight before and generally choose to ignore them.

And add me to the group confused over these votes from CLS. Moving yourself up the lists if we're gonna play this follow the jk strategy.

I think it's likely strange as well, but it doesn't really change anything for where we're at right now.

[Pavowski]

@ strange: You wanted to get a consensus on who is JKed after I am gone. But you didn't say anything on who you like to see jailed. And to make matters worse (or should I say stranger; sorry, I couldn't let that one go) there were quite a few proposing Pav as our next inmate.

Very hedgey. Would be voting here at this point if we were not sorta obligated to follow thru on you at this point, Kenny

Jail Strange ahead of me, end the game one day sooner

[Pavowski]

@ strange: You wanted to get a consensus on who is JKed after I am gone. But you didn't say anything on who you like to see jailed. And to make matters worse (or should I say stranger; sorry, I couldn't let that one go) there were quite a few proposing Pav as our next inmate.

Very hedgey. Would be voting here at this point if we were not sorta obligated to follow thru on you at this point, Kenny

Jail Strange ahead of me, end the game one day sooner

We don't need to follow through as discussed. We could still alter our strategy to make things faster. It is no problem to elim someone else than me today if that someone is more suspicious. And I am not saying this because I am the one who is bound to be dying next.
So what happens if we elim (let's say) Stranger today and he flips green? Radical could jail Pav as planned or switch back to me again, if he feels saver that way (but not without saying so). And all the things said about our follow up strategy could proceed as said. We would just exchange one suspect (me) with another.

Problem is unless we assume scum didn't kill deliberately, you're either scum or scum's target last night. For me I need that question sorted. Rat also jailed you because of their own suspicion.

If I'm running the show we lim you today, and if it's a no-kill again tonight, we lim the jk's target, which I guess is me. As you said, this can get scum to elo but they'll have to avoid getting jailed all the while.

We let you go today and we have to wonder if you talked us out of the right call.

Anyway I think Rat needs to definitively announce their target (I don't see where it's been declared officially even though consensus seems to be me) for tonight and then it's hammer time.

FTR Kenny I do think you're town at this point but I suck at this game and your lim makes sense regardless.

[Pavowski]

Another option has occurred to me.

We could let kenny live, for now, while I continue to jail him, and we eliminate elsewhere. If kenny's scum, no nightkills can happen, and he can be safely eliminated in elo.
If kenny's not scum, then the real scum has to choose between continuing to not kill, guaranteeing a win in elo, if they can survive the four attempts town has to hit them first, or killing me, confirming kenny's innocence in the process and sacrificing a guaranteed elo win for only needing to survive three eliminations instead of four.

This may actually be optimal, though if I'm right on kenny I don't really like the idea of just eliminating townies for the sake of it, if I'm wrong then limming kenny seems to put us in an objectively worse spot than not doing so.

We can still do this instead if people aren't comfortable with eliminating kenny anymore.

I would vote strange in this case and I could be comfortable with that.

UNVOTE: curious what the rest of you think about this.

[Pavowski]

Yes, I am currently planning on jailing Pavowski tonight

Is that official enough for you?

:Thumbsup:

[Pavowski]

Rat do you still think Kenny is scum here?

[Pavowski]

I wanted to give the "don't lim Kenny" argument time to breathe. I'm basically at the point of never voting outside of you and Strange today barring something truly bizarre.

Strange I don't see how we're in autowin here. Nobody is conftown and while we've been scheming how a non-killing scum could make it to elo, there's still a chance scum just murders rat tonight.

The only person who might be confirmed in the current situation is me, and that's only tomorrow if we lim Kenny and rat dies tonight.

[Pavowski]

Well, that's true. You're so conftown I forgot to mention it.

[Pavowski]

VOTE: Kenny

Lock me up, Rat daddy

[Pavowski]

A fast night? Oh, ho ho, we don't do that around here

[Pavowski]

Do what you like as long as we know what it is you're doing so we can benefit from it in case you die. Obviously I personally gain more info if you don't jail me but I'm just as happy to be your target if it helps town. Then again if we have a situation tomorrow like we have today, we're liming your target anyway, most likely.

This is the part where I again state I would prefer your target be strange if not me, but I think I've said that enough so I won't run it into the ground.

[Pavowski]

Count me unsure on CLS. I lean town, but if it's not Kenny/strange I'm not ruling you out.

I wouldn't call STD undoubtedly town, either, in that case.

[Pavowski]

You guys remember that time CLS promised to hammer in 12 hours for the second time and didn't hammer for the second time?

Those were good times

[Pavowski]

[Pavowski]

But not this day

Between no-kills and failed elims we could still be playing this game at Christmastime

[Pavowski]

I think we've pretty much talked it out for today. Let's see a flip and some more night action

[Pavowski]

Oh my god. We killed Kenny.

There I said it

[Pavowski]

I am ready to hear discussion today but like

It's Strange. Come on now.

[Pavowski]

The fact that this game is unsolved.

Also Strange is scum.

[Pavowski]

The short version is I don't think scum bussed Norwee, and you and Kenny were the ones off that wagon.

Long version will have to wait til this evening when I have some more time.

[Pavowski]

Assuming no bussing is wack. I will read day 2 at some point to vibe check that assumption.

I disagree. The pace of this game has been very slow, and there was no elim on d1.

Which slot came closest? Strange's. Norwee (scum) placed a v strange (haw) vote there after the deadline lapsed.

[Pavowski]

Granted that slot was held by Uranus at the time but it is what it is, this game is cursed and I think Cows is the only person here who actually started in this game on d1.

Speaking of which, welcome Dwlee

[Pavowski]

Kinda bummed CLS was the jk last night, I was pretty certain he was town anyway... But alas.

[Pavowski]

Anyway, VOTE: Strange for the win

[Pavowski]

I said I'd give a longer case. Problem is for Strange, there wasn't much to say yesterday so the ISO is kinda thin.

What gives me pause is 2 things:

1. Uranus gives a final reads list when he's hammered-lol-not-really. There's no particular reason for scum!Uranus to do that, but the moment was weird top-to-bottom.
2. Pure meta but I've scumread Strange in error before, and I could be doing it here.

I stand by my no-bussing on d2 assessment. CLS is confirmed, I'm town, LQ is probtown... for me the POE is Strange and now Dwlee.

Sorry, Dwlee. I prob won't vote you until tomorrow, though, if the game goes that far.

[Pavowski]

Who do you think would no-kill instead of kill there?

not to attribute lame actions to people i barely know but
i think LQ would've done it. slap an 80% on there
everyone has a reason to do it i feel, everyone else is a coinflip

Are we suggesting scum no-killed deliberately on n2?

[Pavowski]

hi norwee i think you are scum and people should vote for you

??

From skimming my ISO aren't I the reason scum got flipped day 2? Why do you think I'm most likely after Strange, Pav?

I will ponder this if strange flips green.

[Pavowski]

Question for the thread: Do you think StD pushes Salsa like that if it is SvS?

I reviewed STD's iso this morning. (Dunno what it is about this game that makes remembering details so difficult. Probably all the subs in and out. Anyway.) STD pushes the salsa/Norwee slot pretty relentlessly. It's possible this is theatre, but it's pretty dedicated theatre if so and there were certainly other options available.

Incidentally, in my one other game with STD he did bus his partner. But only when to not do so would have been the sussiest thing imaginable.

That's not the case here.

So yeah, tonally STD still makes me nervous, but on balance I don't think the slot flips red here.

Unfortunately for you, LQ, that makes you my #2 lim.

I still want Strange first. I think the game's over when we flip that slot.

[Pavowski]

I'm torn between sheeping STD rn on Pav and doing my own analysis. I should probably do my own when I get more of a chance, but all the sub outs are difficult to deal with when reading parts of the game.

The good news as far as reading me is that there is hardly anything from the people I subbed for (Entellan I think, then Astro).

[Pavowski]

Also, pagetopped.

[Pavowski]

like, i think strange is scum for a lot of reasons that even pavowski caught on to but we're seeing totally different things i feel

You guys remember that cereal commercial where the two big kids are talking and their brother is there chomping down on a bowl and the two big kids are like "see, even Mikey likes it," not so subtly implying that Mikey is some kind of an idiot?

I feel like Mikey.

(This is mostly a prodge. I don't have much new to add.)

[Pavowski]

I feel like Mikey.

it's more of the fact that you replaced in pretty late and came in today with a case

low bar? maybe but i still liked it

C'mon Cows, I've been here longer than half the players in game

That ain't saying much but I'll claim it

[Pavowski]

You guys wanna like

Play some charades in the meantime or...?

[Pavowski]

C'mon Strange, give us some takes, convince me it's not you

[Pavowski]

If LQ is forsure town we win going pav->strange or strange->pav and I wouldn't mind going pav first because of how they tried to set me up if strange flips town.

To be fair Dwlee, you repped into STD's slot and STD seems to operate at a certain baseline of suspicion for me no matter what. I did concede a couple days ago that I no longer think you're in the PoE.

But also to be fair I don't think we ever need to flip you. I still think a Strange flip wins the game.

[Pavowski]

STD thought you're evil which is a not awful reason to flip you

Idk I still need to analyze shit etc. at computer especially cause replace outs but

That's fair. I'm not quite at the point of saying "flip me if you want as long as you do Strange next" but I'm close. Maybe 80%.

And heck, that pagetop was right there and I blew it.

[Pavowski]

*eagerly awaiting the promised Sunday posts*

It's also two days to deadline and only 2 of us have voted soooo...

[Pavowski]

i'm 20 pages into a reread and i
i didn't have any solid townreads coming into this day but i'm feeling LQ for town again hmmmmmmmmm
astro/pavowski too, maybe?

There is a good reason you're feeling town on me.

[Pavowski]

The only hypnosis is self-hypnosis so uh

Do you feel hypnotized?

[Pavowski]

Working as intended

[Pavowski]

also we're around 300 posts away from getting 5th place for the longest newbie game by post count so if you need an incentive to start posting there it is

Oh let's gooooo

[Pavowski]

Truthfully though there's no need for this to go anything like that far. Strange is scum, let's get it done

[Pavowski]

You know you want to.

[Pavowski]

The only person it really makes sense for me to switch to is LQ. I'd do it if we really don't want to lim Strange.

[Pavowski]

I also don't love the thought of an LQ vote. But if it's not Strange I have to vote somewhere I don't want to.

[Pavowski]

Kinda convinces me LQ is still town tbh.

[Pavowski]

The suspense ..

[Pavowski]

Good game all. Man, I was gonna have fits if I had to choose between Dw and LQ.

[Pavowski]

Also, yeah, sorry about the kenny tunnel.

Every time I was almost convinced he was Town, I'd just keep getting caught in "But what if he's not???" and of course the jail didn't help with that.

Rat don't feel too bad about that, I didn't love the Kenny lim either, especially after he was spewing town (as Dw pointed out), but with a no-kill in that spot if you don't lim there you have paranoia for the rest of the game

[Pavowski]

Replacing in as scum is a tough heckin' draw, Strange. You did fine.

Honestly when I repped into the Astro slot I was 90% sure I was crash-landing into a scum slot

[Pavowski]

I'm still trash as scum after a handful of scum games Uranus, it's hard being evil