Newbie 2084: Signs [game over!]

[Greeting]

Good morning! The number I thought of today was #5 and player #5 is VOTE: AsuStuckey.

[Greeting]

This game surely got off to a slow start.

[Greeting]

do u want to spice it up

In what way?

ill explain a bit on the cape90 being town thing ig

i liked his starting post (7), it didn't seem nervous at all, i expect scum to be a bit nervous.
then i liked 16 alot actually, which is what stuck "cape90 = town" in my head originally. the taking the "locktown" as a townread on meg azurmarill at face value, while some people might think not understanding a joke = scummy, i don't think that would be the case here. 19 gives good vibes following that. i think hes not thinking too deeply into stuff, while scum would think deeply and be like "what if i say something weird aaaa i need to understand this aaa" and would analyze it more before posting. i also like how it seems like hes poking at things.

Why do you expect scum to be a bit nervous?

[Greeting]

beep

I saw the sign and it opened up my eyes
I saw the sign
[..]
I saw the sign and it opened up my eyes
I saw the sign

(yes, this is a very clever reference to the theme of this game and what basically the mod is trying to say)



The problem seems to be, that it's not the people who already checked the thread, and therefore had seen this inconspicuous mod prod, that are idle.

[Greeting]

Oh, so it wasn't a mod prod but a placeholder.

[Greeting]

Ah Sorry Im late but im ready to get in the groove of this Mafia game

Im not really into voting someone of the bat (even if they havnt made a post yet), since there is players like me that might just be late to the game

I love this song!



UNVOTE: AsuStuckey

[Greeting]

do u want to spice it up

In what way?

"speedwagon somebody.."

idk we can either:
-1v1 for no reason
-attack somebody together
ur choice

Let's say I do. Who is your choice and why?

[Greeting]

Ah Sorry Im late but im ready to get in the groove of this Mafia game

Im not really into voting someone of the bat (even if they havnt made a post yet), since there is players like me that might just be late to the game

I love this song!



UNVOTE: AsuStuckey

what do you love so much abt it that made you unvote?

Madonna is an

icon

. I can't keep RVS-ing someone who reminded me of Madonna by accidental usage of a phrase which made me think of an iconic song.

[Greeting]

Let's say I do. Who is your choice and why?

prob meg, since I wanna solve them and I feel like it might be more benefical to do it earlier on.

Coincidentally, that is the only player in this game that I've known before from another game, and whom I kinda had a tough time with. Interesting.

Then again, there is one RVS at MegAzumarill right now. With me and you counted in, he will be put at E-2 immediately. Are you sure about that?

[Greeting]

I actually misread the vote tally. It’s MegAzumarill who is voting Meuh, not the opposite. Which makes this even safer as even with three votes they will still only be at E-2, not E-1.

Funny how you all are suggesting MegAzumarill when I was thinking the same thing. Just feels like they have been putting off doing anything useful this game at all and are using 36 as a sort of cover (even if this isn't the case, I still dislike this post).

The other person is Mueh because fundamentally 43 seems counter intuitive in, well, trying to solve the game, at least early on.
Though I sort of like 34 from Mueh as I find it at the very least a good post so they can stay.

VOTE: MegAzumarill

I’ve been townreading you, Cape90.

VOTE: MegAzumarill

[Greeting]

It's a personal policy to not start scumhunting till we are certain there are actually scum playing

Nothing that has happened so far has really warranted anything yet though

Well that’s the thing, us discussing is how we create things we can then discuss and read each other off of. I don’t think we should start wagons until all have spoken, but there’s no reason not to throw in some smaller scale reads and create the basic playing field we need to obtain to become productive as a town

I agree it's probably objectively bad for town but as a player I typically do 1 of 2 things.

1 Form reads slowly but have confidence in them
2 Jump on someone that I think is scummy early and death tunnel them forever (ask Greeting)

More interestingly I would like to know why Greeting/Cape think my behavior is AI.

I would also reiterate I want to hear Greeting's reasons for suspecting me so far. I think it's an important point

I wouldn't say that I find you suspicious so far. As to why my vote is where it is, I'm... testing stuff. This will be pretty vague but let me just say that if I truly wanted this wagon to succeed and had definite thoughts that you were scum, I wouldn't be worrying about you reaching E-2 or E-1.

mm yeah, putting people at e-2 isnt too bad of a thing i think..? as long as we would make it obv. we could always unvote if it looks like some people are setting up for a quick hammer as well.
i agree with (i forgot who said this, but them ), why are u so worried about numbers..? e-1 is where we should be sweating, but if u scumread someone or think somethings helpful, whats bad about putting them to e-2..?

Why am I worried about putting someone at E-2? Because we have two scums who can easily jump on a wagon and seal it. Also, I'm not having someone eliminated without proof or at least a feeling. Wagons can also be used for other purposes than actually voting someone out and that's what I want to do.

[Greeting]

I had gotten some scummy vibes from the questions that Greeting had initially put out like they were questions for the sake of questions without any follow up.

To which questions are you referring?

[Greeting]

It's a personal policy to not start scumhunting till we are certain there are actually scum playing

Nothing that has happened so far has really warranted anything yet though

Well that’s the thing, us discussing is how we create things we can then discuss and read each other off of. I don’t think we should start wagons until all have spoken, but there’s no reason not to throw in some smaller scale reads and create the basic playing field we need to obtain to become productive as a town

I agree it's probably objectively bad for town but as a player I typically do 1 of 2 things.

1 Form reads slowly but have confidence in them
2 Jump on someone that I think is scummy early and death tunnel them forever (ask Greeting)

More interestingly I would like to know why Greeting/Cape think my behavior is AI.

I would also reiterate I want to hear Greeting's reasons for suspecting me so far. I think it's an important point

I wouldn't say that I find you suspicious so far. As to why my vote is where it is, I'm... testing stuff. This will be pretty vague but let me just say that if I truly wanted this wagon to succeed and had definite thoughts that you were scum, I wouldn't be worrying about you reaching E-2 or E-1.

mm yeah, putting people at e-2 isnt too bad of a thing i think..? as long as we would make it obv. we could always unvote if it looks like some people are setting up for a quick hammer as well.
i agree with (i forgot who said this, but them ), why are u so worried about numbers..? e-1 is where we should be sweating, but if u scumread someone or think somethings helpful, whats bad about putting them to e-2..?

Why am I worried about putting someone at E-2? Because we have two scums who can easily jump on a wagon and seal it. Also, I'm not having someone eliminated without proof or at least a feeling. Wagons can also be used for other purposes than actually voting someone out and that's what I want to do.

I'm really more concerned with the why you got here than the actual result itself.

If you say you're testing something you don't need to reveal quite yet but I would like the why revealed by eod

You got it.

[Greeting]

@

Prism

be like

[Greeting]

@

marcistar

are you jumping ship on Meg or not?

[Greeting]

VOTE: Greeting

This is the spicy wagon.

Why is that?

[Greeting]

Greeting's at E-2, no one else jump on the wagon, E-2 isn't risky but E-1 could be exploited by scum

I can't help but notice that... you're also on that wagon.

I assume that you're voting me out because you think I'm scum. But if I'm scum, then how exactly is my partner going to exploit this wagon?
And if you don't want to vote me out then why are you on my wagon, may I ask?

With this post you sound like someone who wants to sound like a genuine newbie, but what you said doesn't really make any sense. Unless you're doing something similar to what I'm doing with MegAzumarill's wagon.

[Greeting]

Something

really weird

is happening with my wagon tbf. I already stated my intentions when it comes to MegAzumarill and promised that I would explain what I'm doing. It seems like in the meantime the game has drifted towards me and I don't even know how to defend myself, because I don't know why am I suddenly the leading wagon.

[Greeting]

Something

really weird

is happening with my wagon tbf. I already stated my intentions when it comes to MegAzumarill and promised that I would explain what I'm doing. It seems like in the meantime the game has drifted towards me and I don't even know how to defend myself, because I don't know why am I suddenly the leading wagon.

What do you feel is strange about your wagon?
Scum led or town led?

I definitely don't see Meuh as a townread. Maybe too soon too tell if they're a scumread, but that's someone I'm not trusting.

I was reading MegAzumarill neutrally until he decided to hop on too, in 119 with zero explanation as to why he's done that whatsoever. Actually, it annoyed me that he did that, not because it's me that he's voting off, but because I wanted to put him as a soft townlean and this was like a U-turn towards scum territory in my mind. It's really easy to vote out someone who is actually plotting to do something, but just can't deliver the results immediately. I feel like scum can exploit that.

Nevertheless, I am waiting for my answers.

I can't help but notice that you didn't answer mine (113) as well.

[Greeting]

Greeting's at E-2, no one else jump on the wagon, E-2 isn't risky but E-1 could be exploited by scum

I can't help but notice that... you're also on that wagon.

I assume that you're voting me out because you think I'm scum. But if I'm scum, then how exactly is my partner going to exploit this wagon?
And if you don't want to vote me out then why are you on my wagon, may I ask?

With this post you sound like someone who wants to sound like a genuine newbie, but what you said doesn't really make any sense. Unless you're doing something similar to what I'm doing with MegAzumarill's wagon.

I think you're the player most likely to be mafia, but it's a page 6 read, I'm not confident in it. You could be town and I wouldn't be too shocked.
Also, there's no benefit to not being careful here! Another thing to consider would be time as a resource, spending more time today talking will benefit us long term, there's no reason to want you hammered this early, even if I knew 100% that you were maf.

I am doing something similar to what you're doing with Meg's wagon

but you'll notice 2 things:
-It's not the focal points of the posts I made before voting for you (which it was for you before voting for Meg, while I casted actual suspicion before voting)
-I'm scared about E-1, not E-2, which I think is something scum could actually take advantage of here. They'd throw in a vote on you, say it was an accidental hammer and move on, it's something mafia could try to do here and I'd rather not deal with something of the sort.

So no, I don't want you to be hammered here, I think it'd be bad.

Okay, so if you are testing something, then what is it that you're testing?

You really barely answered any of my questions.

[Greeting]

The game definitely sped up and went elsewhere, to the point that my original idea with MegAzumarill's wagon might actually not work and become irrelevant. But I'll still wait until tomorrow morning.

[Greeting]

Greeting's at E-2, no one else jump on the wagon, E-2 isn't risky but E-1 could be exploited by scum

I can't help but notice that... you're also on that wagon.

I assume that you're voting me out because you think I'm scum. But if I'm scum, then how exactly is my partner going to exploit this wagon?
And if you don't want to vote me out then why are you on my wagon, may I ask?

With this post you sound like someone who wants to sound like a genuine newbie, but what you said doesn't really make any sense. Unless you're doing something similar to what I'm doing with MegAzumarill's wagon.

I think you're the player most likely to be mafia, but it's a page 6 read, I'm not confident in it. You could be town and I wouldn't be too shocked.
Also, there's no benefit to not being careful here! Another thing to consider would be time as a resource, spending more time today talking will benefit us long term, there's no reason to want you hammered this early, even if I knew 100% that you were maf.

I am doing something similar to what you're doing with Meg's wagon

but you'll notice 2 things:
-It's not the focal points of the posts I made before voting for you (which it was for you before voting for Meg, while I casted actual suspicion before voting)
-I'm scared about E-1, not E-2, which I think is something scum could actually take advantage of here. They'd throw in a vote on you, say it was an accidental hammer and move on, it's something mafia could try to do here and I'd rather not deal with something of the sort.

So no, I don't want you to be hammered here, I think it'd be bad.

Okay, so if you are testing something, then what is it that you're testing?

You really barely answered any of my questions.

You have already said (strongly implied) that you did not to wish to reveal the reasons of your "test" in town's interests. Why would you push for a similar play to be revealed?

Why wouldn't I?

[Greeting]

If revealing a similar play wouldn't be benificial to the town, what makes you think revealing this would be?

There are different degrees of similarity. If Meuh has a reason to keep their secret, I won't be a hypocrite and I will respect that. Except it seems that they don't have a secret nor a secret play (132).

Is it so very bad that I want to know why I got put on E-2 so fast? Your reason was so obvious that virtually no one knew it, Meuh stated theirs in an earlier post but then made a post which made me question their motives completely (121) and ProHawk said very little about supposed unanswered questions.

[Greeting]

If revealing a similar play wouldn't be benificial to the town, what makes you think revealing this would be?

There are different degrees of similarity. If Meuh has a reason to keep their secret, I won't be a hypocrite and I will respect that. Except it seems that they don't have a secret nor a secret play (132).

That post was after your actions, yet you use it to justify them?

I knew he wasn't making sense right after I saw 121, I just wanted to expose it.

[Greeting]

Sorry, *she.

[Greeting]

I thought it was pretty well established the wagon on Greeting is because their content feels manufactured.

I agreed and asked for elaboration and didn't like their response.

In fact I think some of their recent posting indicates scum.

What did you not like about my response?

The fact that I openly stated what I was doing, only withholding

why

I was doing it?
Or the fact that you asked for me to elaborate on it by the end of day and I said yes?

I honestly fail to see your logic.

[Greeting]

I thought it was pretty well established the wagon on Greeting is because their content feels manufactured.

I agreed and asked for elaboration and didn't like their response.

In fact I think some of their recent posting indicates scum.

What did you not like about my response?

The fact that I openly stated what I was doing, only withholding

why

I was doing it?
Or the fact that you asked for me to elaborate on it by the end of day and I said yes?

I honestly fail to see your logic.

For the reasons I elaborated on in the following posts, as well as I have yet to see much reads from your direction, much less those that feel like a natural process.

I've already stated some reads, admittedly with little justification, but that will also be done when I feel like it.

[Greeting]

@

marcistar

are you jumping ship on Meg or not?

do u want me to..?
im still trying to think a lil bit

Let's say I

do

want you to jump on his wagon. What do you say to that?

[Greeting]

Rereading Greeting's ISO in Newbie 2081 the above quote stood out. Overall Greeting's play in that game (where we both were town)

is a lot more transparent than their play here

.

The above quote is essentially Greeting scumreading someone for about the same qualities they exhibit this game (lack of reads)
This matters because players (especially new ones) most often scum read behaviors that they themselves do as scum.

I'm going to read their other game on-site in a minute.

Well done, keeping temporarily a secret and admitting to it is

not

, as a matter of fact, transparent.

I've also played in N2078 and N2082 (

this one is unfinished though!

) which are conveniently linked on my basic, albeit useful wiki page. Enjoy!

[Greeting]

Newbie 2078 - Greeting Town
Greeting primarily talks about mech and strategy here over actual reads. It contrasts with her play in 2081, but I suspect its mostly due to it being their first game on site.
Take a look if you want but it doesn't feel like much can be drawn between that one and this.

I am still yet to see any townlike qualities from greeting's play this game, but I'll turn my attention elsewhere for now.

Well done, keeping temporarily a secret and admitting to it is

not

, as a matter of fact, transparent.

Do you seriously think the rest of your play has been?

I do.

[Greeting]

Okay I Have a lot of information to put out in this post
This is my very first game on mafia and I am very slow to jump into the conversations
So some of the slang I am not used to.

1. I am guessing that a scum would be someone on the mafia side?

2. And I'm not sure what abbreviated stuff like E-2 means.

3. Also right know I am trying to find out easy ways to tell if someone is mafia in the way you guys talk to each other, but in general I'm really confused on who to vote. Finally, If you guys can give me tips on what to look for and how to jump into conversations that would really help

Hello!

1. You are correct, we refer to mafia-aligned players as "scums".

2. E-2 means a player is two votes away from being eliminated. Voting out a player in this game setup cannot be undone. So, once a player gets 5 elimination votes, the Day Phase is over and they are eliminated. No backsies.

3. We have two impostors amongst the nine of us. Imagine you're the impostor and ask yourself: what would you do, what would you post, how would you behave, whom would you vote or not vote - and then project this on all players based on their behavior in the game. Does the behavior of any of the players match

what would mafia do in that situation?

Feel free to question those whom you find suspicious and draw conclusions from the answers. Watch the vote tally - the way in which players cast their votes can also give out some information.

Most importantly, have fun and remember that this is a game. Things can get heated and people will argue.

[Greeting]

That said, the MafiaScum wiki has some great articles that have kind of stood the test of time. I'm partial to this one.

Wow, this article is a real eye-opener as to how players on MafiaScum operate and behave. I guess it explains quite a lot. I’ve obviously played mafia several times before joining this site and I knew the general strategies, which I applied in my own way. I had no idea that people use this as a suggested point system and then act upon it.

[Greeting]

I do have a basic readslist with some reads, but I don’t really have anything on ProHawk. But I’d rather finish what I’m doing now first (regarding Meg’s wagon) before moving on. Even though now I think all this was for nothing.

[Greeting]

UNVOTE: MegAzumarill - since I see a wagon forming on them and they're not my choice of wagon right now. But this might change once I read up on what happened since.

Now, to end this experiment of mine.

I've found

marcistar

quite scummy from the very beginning. I disliked almost all of their posts. This is meta, but surprisingly it hasn't failed me yet. Players with a certain posting style from all my previous games (the ones which I can talk about are N2078 and N2081) all turned out to be scum. All three of them. The ones which I can talk about are GrandpaMo in N2078 and Not_Mafia in N2081. They all have the same way in which they formulate thoughts - in a liberal way, without using capital letters etc. You know what I mean. I interpret this as a loose approach to the game, signifying distancing and a relaxed attitude. All that is there for a reason - and the reason is that they want to avoid being seen as stressed, because being scum and having to lie all the time is quite stressful. Check it out yourself and compare.

Obviously, this is not enough for evidence, so I decided to use the situation at the time (virtually nothing was going on) to test to which degree

marcistar

is serious about getting

MegAzumarill

voted out. It was their idea, they formulated it in 49. While I didn't see many valid reasons to vote out

MegAzumarill

at the time, I decided to try something out. I said yes to an obviously flimsy wagon, about which I even openly said that I don't think is very scummy. I wanted to test and see how would

marcistar

behave in this situation.

Their reactions came off as vague and and unwilling to commit to the wagon. Let me just say that it was

marcistar

who suggested this wagon in the first place and now they're chickening out. Which means that they know the wagon is flimsy and will most likely end up with voting out a townie.

@

marcistar

are you jumping ship on Meg or not?

do u want me to..?
im still trying to think a lil bit

@

marcistar

are you jumping ship on Meg or not?

do u want me to..?
im still trying to think a lil bit

@

marcistar

are you jumping ship on Meg or not?

do u want me to..?
im still trying to think a lil bit

Let's say I

do

want you to jump on his wagon. What do you say to that?

ill vote it when i wanna unless if u have a good reason
i was og gonna soon after i suggested it and seeing what you thought, but then i got busy and now its not my fave cup of tea.

So basically

marcistar

plants the seed and then avoids responsibility for it.

Unfortunately, I feel like what

Prism

said in 133 very accurately describes what happened. The lack of transparency made other players suspicious of my intentions (even though I feel like I was as transparent as I could in that situation ) which resulted in me being put on E-2. The fact that I was being voted out for flimsy reasons made me want to explain myself more, which unintentionally resulted in me revealing more than I wanted to. Now, I think this could have influenced

marcistar

's play who understood that

MegAzumarill

's wagon (at least I can speak for myself - not

Cape90

nor anyone else who's on that wagon) is not about

MegAzumarill

at all, but about her. Also, in the meantime the game took off, drifted away, leaving my original idea redundant and irrelevant. Plus, the things that happened in-between altered my perception of other players, including

MegAzumarill

.

Because of all that, the experiment did not bring very definite conclusions, but showed me that either

marcistar

is a newbie who just wants to do their best, or a smart scum who knows what's going on around them and tries to avoid incriminating themselves. Their post count pushes me towards the latter.

There are also other things that are a scumread for

marcistar

. For instance, there are a lot of questions asked with no follow-up whatsoever. Posts 42, 47 (question to me) or 89 come to mind. Sure, they've asked people to expand on some issues but they did nothing with the responses. It's a way of getting towncred - seeming like they're trying to get reads, while in fact doing it just for the show.

For reasons stated above, I think I'll VOTE: marcistar.

[Greeting]

Your post links don't work, Greeting

That's weird. Let me post this again.

[Greeting]

I think I might have messed something up with the formatting. I removed the post numbers from the post link tags and it should be working now.

Spoiler: Here's the post again, with working links.

UNVOTE: MegAzumarill - since I see a wagon forming on them and they're not my choice of wagon right now. But this might change once I read up on what happened since.

Now, to end this experiment of mine.

I've found

marcistar

quite scummy from the very beginning. I disliked almost all of their posts. This is meta, but surprisingly it hasn't failed me yet. Players with a certain posting style from all my previous games (the ones which I can talk about are N2078 and N2081) all turned out to be scum. All three of them. The ones which I can talk about are GrandpaMo in N2078 and Not_Mafia in N2081. They all have the same way in which they formulate thoughts - in a liberal way, without using capital letters etc. You know what I mean. I interpret this as a loose approach to the game, signifying distancing and a relaxed attitude. All that is there for a reason - and the reason is that they want to avoid being seen as stressed, because being scum and having to lie all the time is quite stressful. Check it out yourself and compare.

Obviously, this is not enough for evidence, so I decided to use the situation at the time (virtually nothing was going on) to test to which degree

marcistar

is serious about getting

MegAzumarill

voted out. It was their idea, they formulated it in 49. While I didn't see many valid reasons to vote out

MegAzumarill

at the time, I decided to try something out. I said yes to an obviously flimsy wagon, about which I even openly said that I don't think is very scummy. I wanted to test and see how would

marcistar

behave in this situation.

Their reactions came off as vague and and unwilling to commit to the wagon. Let me just say that it was

marcistar

who suggested this wagon in the first place and now they're chickening out. Which means that they know the wagon is flimsy and will most likely end up with voting out a townie.

@

marcistar

are you jumping ship on Meg or not?

do u want me to..?
im still trying to think a lil bit

@

marcistar

are you jumping ship on Meg or not?

do u want me to..?
im still trying to think a lil bit

@

marcistar

are you jumping ship on Meg or not?

do u want me to..?
im still trying to think a lil bit

Let's say I

do

want you to jump on his wagon. What do you say to that?

ill vote it when i wanna unless if u have a good reason
i was og gonna soon after i suggested it and seeing what you thought, but then i got busy and now its not my fave cup of tea.

So basically

marcistar

plants the seed and then avoids responsibility for it.

Unfortunately, I feel like what

Prism

said in 133 very accurately describes what happened. The lack of transparency made other players suspicious of my intentions (even though I feel like I was as transparent as I could in that situation ) which resulted in me being put on E-2. The fact that I was being voted out for flimsy reasons made me want to explain myself more, which unintentionally resulted in me revealing more than I wanted to. Now, I think this could have influenced

marcistar

's play who understood that

MegAzumarill

's wagon (at least I can speak for myself - not

Cape90

nor anyone else who's on that wagon) is not about

MegAzumarill

at all, but about her. Also, in the meantime the game took off, drifted away, leaving my original idea redundant and irrelevant. Plus, the things that happened in-between altered my perception of other players, including

MegAzumarill

.

Because of all that, the experiment did not bring very definite conclusions, but showed me that either

marcistar

is a newbie who just wants to do their best, or a smart scum who knows what's going on around them and tries to avoid incriminating themselves. Their post count pushes me towards the latter.

There are also other things that are a scumread for

marcistar

. For instance, there are a lot of questions asked with no follow-up whatsoever. Posts 42, 47 (question to me) or 89 come to mind. Sure, they've asked people to expand on some issues but they did nothing with the responses. It's a way of getting towncred - seeming like they're trying to get reads, while in fact doing it just for the show.

For reasons stated above, I think I'll VOTE: marcistar.

[Greeting]

116 is weird, but probably is some sort of way Greeting is trying to get more information out of his wagon on Meg.
The tone of 122 feels bad, although I could see it come from an annoyed townie not really sure why they're being pushed in the first place (which is supported by 120 and 123)
161 and 164 are posts I could see come from either alignment, Greeting could be maf here trying to just make Meg look dumb, or it could just once again be an extension of annoyance at the wagon on him.

The purpose of 116 was intentionally unclear, but I think it will make sense with 205.
I made 122 in order to expose what I considered illogical behavior on your part.
161 and 164 are just me being snarky towards

MegAzumarill

. We both played a game where they tunnelled me incessantly even though all the signs in the sky pointed to me being town. I even hammered a mafia Day One, but that wasn't enough for them. They had to use an investigative role in order to affirm that I am, in fact, town.

[Greeting]

That links to a hidden topic. It is properly formatted for a copy paste (the post number is doubled in the link) and unlikely to be a simple typo.

VOTE: Greeting

I don't see another avenue forward here. Sorry.

Oh darn, I guess I've been exposed. I have a private thread where I drafted this.

[Greeting]

Yeah, I requested a private thread from Datisi where I can draft my posts and I think that's where it came from. I had no idea that when you use the post tags in the thread they change into something else completely.

[Greeting]

I really hate to make this centerstage. It is unfortunate.

Did you draw this inspiration for a notes PT from a specific player? Why were you copying a link

towards

your Notes PT to begin with?

It’s cool, it’s my fault anyways.

I knew this was possible from my first game (N2078) where one of the players had one. Plus, I just read the rules where it was stated that you can ask for one. I tend to be chaotic so I thought I could use one too.

[Greeting]

I am still curious as to what it links to within the thread and why you needed it copied, though it makes little sense to copy the scum PT either except to point a partner somewhere.

It links to the thread only. Since my PT doesn’t have 49 posts (and post 49 is the first one I’m linking to), there isn’t a post 49 from my PT to be linked to.

[Greeting]

Thanks for answer. Unfortunately I think we've reached the end of the road on discussing this one.

I don't believe it and it's a matter of votes and whether the other players have questions and agree/disagree.

Fair enough, I guess one could believe that this was scumplay. I suppose the scum threads work the same as private threads. I’m obviously at fault here anyways.

[Greeting]

Anyways, I’ll go and draft my reads on the other players. This time maybe without copying them straight from my PT.

But so far, my strongest scumlean is marcistar.

[Greeting]

Townleans:

Cape90

This player has been my first, and strongest townlean in the whole game.

I've liked posts such as 27, 37, 38. It shows legit town newbie to me.
MegAzumarill has a very specific game style, from what I've gathered, and I can imagine that having a scumread on them independently from my mind games is justified (post 53).
I also had the same thoughts about Meuh at the time (53). I find the fact that someone is saying the same things that I'm thinking without being prompted a very good sign.
I don't know why it's a fact that at least one scum has spoken by 82. It's the only off thing in their posts, but it's not a red or even a yellow flag yet.
Post 155 indicates independent thinking and it pretty much sealed the fact that I'm not looking into this slot.

Soft townleans:

In order from strongest to weakest.

Prism

Firstly, I wonder if you were spectating N2081 and knew my play from there? Just curious. (133)

Prism

has been playing tutor and uh, auntie, to all players which is kinda cute. And I prefer to look at it as a townlean.
I don't really understand what she sees as townie in

marcistar

's play in 92.

I would really appreciate it if they expanded on that.

Putting pressure on

ProHawk

isn't really indicative of anything to me. Could be scum play or town play. (94)
I like the fact that they did a U-turn on

Meuh

after they posted their exhaustive reads. It's something I feel similarly about and, just like with

Cape90

, I find players who think similarly to me without being prodded by me, a townlean. (197)
They noticing weird stuff with my post links, using their experience, is an indicator of town play. Her meta that I'm scum and the links lead to a scum thread is wrong, but it's fully justified. (210)

I am being very paranoid about a potential

Prism

/

AsuStuckey

teacher/student play. (135, 137, 171) This is something that an experienced player like her could

easily

pull off and I am keeping this in the back of my mind at all times. If

AsuStuckey

is ever voted out and flip scum, I will immediately get more suspicious of

Prism

.

MegAzumarill

I've known MegAzumarill from N2081. Their self-description of his playing style (64) when it comes to tunnelling is accurate.
Their first posts were, and are neutral to me.
The fact that they jumped to questioning me immediately after I spoke of starting the wagon is a townlean. (64, 70)
Posts 83, 84, 85 and 86 are a neutral read. I can very well see an annoyed townie or an annoyed scum make these.

Posts 96 and 119 feel very inconsistent to me.

If one wanted to give me a chance, then why would they suddenly jump to E-2 me? It just doesn't sit right in my mind.
Although their vote on me in 119 seemed super opportunistic to me at first, his later attempt at tunnelling (139, 140, 142, 144, 151) is consistent with his play from N2081.
Reading into my game history is something a scum has no need to do in order to easily vote me down. Like I said before, it's easy to build a wagon on someone because their play is not fully transparent. But they decided to take the time to analyse my past games. (157, 160)
Which is why this is a soft townlean, but there is a possibility that this will be downgraded.

Meuh

I'm always suspicious of joke play which is exhibited in posts like 12, 13.
But posts like 41 scream genuine newbie on the other hand.
Posts 66 and 69 about me are justified and are a townread in my mind. It's actually the only player who said something somewhat reasonable about me possibly being scum before my accidental PT reveal.
I feel like she's trying to be cute with posts like 81, 90, 98, which is well... cute, but also a bit scummy. Making oneself look cute and vulnerable is a scum strategy I'd personally support and approve if I were scum.
I started seriously questioning her motives in 121 and 127. In retrospect, it seems to me like she was trying to put pressure on me, but I don't see the result exhibited. It's also inconsistent with her later reads (188).
The reads post was good. I think it's a job well done and this landed her a soft townlean for now. (188)

Neutral leans:

All these slots are neutral.

AsuStuckey

Pretty much nothing to go with other than the

Prism

/

AsuStuckey

theory exhibited above.

StrangeMatter

I know them from another game, which is unfinished, therefore I'm not allowed to speak about it.

ProHawk

Their vote on me from 108 seems... lazy.
Their subsequent question in 125 led to... nothing.
Would love to hear more from this slot. I'm not against pressuring them by a vote to speak more.

Scumleans:

marcistar

- reasons stated in 205

Spoiler: Copy/paste of post 205

[...]

Now, to end this experiment of mine.

I've found

marcistar

quite scummy from the very beginning. I disliked almost all of their posts. This is meta, but surprisingly it hasn't failed me yet. Players with a certain posting style from all my previous games (the ones which I can talk about are N2078 and N2081) all turned out to be scum. All three of them. The ones which I can talk about are GrandpaMo in N2078 and Not_Mafia in N2081. They all have the same way in which they formulate thoughts - in a liberal way, without using capital letters etc. You know what I mean. I interpret this as a loose approach to the game, signifying distancing and a relaxed attitude. All that is there for a reason - and the reason is that they want to avoid being seen as stressed, because being scum and having to lie all the time is quite stressful. Check it out yourself and compare.

Obviously, this is not enough for evidence, so I decided to use the situation at the time (virtually nothing was going on) to test to which degree

marcistar

is serious about getting

MegAzumarill

voted out. It was their idea, they formulated it in 49. While I didn't see many valid reasons to vote out

MegAzumarill

at the time, I decided to try something out. I said yes to an obviously flimsy wagon, about which I even openly said that I don't think is very scummy. I wanted to test and see how would

marcistar

behave in this situation.

Their reactions came off as vague and and unwilling to commit to the wagon. Let me just say that it was

marcistar

who suggested this wagon in the first place and now they're chickening out. Which means that they know the wagon is flimsy and will most likely end up with voting out a townie.

@

marcistar

are you jumping ship on Meg or not?

do u want me to..?
im still trying to think a lil bit

@

marcistar

are you jumping ship on Meg or not?

do u want me to..?
im still trying to think a lil bit

@

marcistar

are you jumping ship on Meg or not?

do u want me to..?
im still trying to think a lil bit

Let's say I

do

want you to jump on his wagon. What do you say to that?

ill vote it when i wanna unless if u have a good reason
i was og gonna soon after i suggested it and seeing what you thought, but then i got busy and now its not my fave cup of tea.

So basically

marcistar

plants the seed and then avoids responsibility for it.

Unfortunately, I feel like what

Prism

said in 133 very accurately describes what happened. The lack of transparency made other players suspicious of my intentions (even though I feel like I was as transparent as I could in that situation ) which resulted in me being put on E-2. The fact that I was being voted out for flimsy reasons made me want to explain myself more, which unintentionally resulted in me revealing more than I wanted to. Now, I think this could have influenced

marcistar

's play who understood that

MegAzumarill

's wagon (at least I can speak for myself - not

Cape90

nor anyone else who's on that wagon) is not about

MegAzumarill

at all, but about her. Also, in the meantime the game took off, drifted away, leaving my original idea redundant and irrelevant. Plus, the things that happened in-between altered my perception of other players, including

MegAzumarill

.

Because of all that, the experiment did not bring very definite conclusions, but showed me that either

marcistar

is a newbie who just wants to do their best, or a smart scum who knows what's going on around them and tries to avoid incriminating themselves. Their post count pushes me towards the latter.

There are also other things that are a scumread for

marcistar

. For instance, there are a lot of questions asked with no follow-up whatsoever. Posts 42, 47 (question to me) or 89 come to mind. Sure, they've asked people to expand on some issues but they did nothing with the responses. It's a way of getting towncred - seeming like they're trying to get reads, while in fact doing it just for the show.

[...]

[Greeting]

My vote was direct and immediate. The questioning was in the hopes of catching him in an outright lie and making my life easier in pushing it. I think the explanation is implausible but not technically impossible.

They are uncommon, but not super rare, and the usage depends on the person. I personally use them exclusively to commentate scumgames for postgame reference and study, but this is not the norm.

Is there something that makes you think that it would be implausible for me to have a PT, moreso than other players? Or is it just an automatic assumption, because people generally don’t use them?

[Greeting]

The implication is that it is most likely a scum PT. They provided the explanation that it is a notes PT. I find the scum PT more likely.

Are you proposing an elimination over this? I don't see how that accusation can be addressed, and appears to be meaningful enough of you to 180 the slot.

Personally I can give some benefit of the doubt in the situation although I find Greeting scummy on their own.

Yes. I have discussed this already with Greeting and acknowledged it is an irreconcilable difference.

I do not understand how this is even a question for someone who is supposedly reading my posts.

I mean I got that impression but just wanted to make sure. It was really drastic and mostly laid out in subtext.

That’s... weird. Not scummy, but weird. And also tells me more about the way you think in mafia games.

To me,

Prism

was being crystal clear as to why she’s voting me out. They didn’t need to explain, and I didn’t ask for an explanation. To you, it was implied and subtext.

On the other hand, you seem to focus on things which to me are completely irrelevant and make you look weird in my eyes for even trying to look at - for instance in 142 or 144. It just keeps blowing my mind as to why anyone should find that scummy and that’s where my snarky reactions come from.

[Greeting]

VOTE: MegAzumarill

I missed this. Why the change?

[Greeting]

Finally, since N2082 ended, so has my gag order on speaking about that game. I hate pretending that things that happened in other game just don't exist, but I guess speaking about unfinished games could bring great harm to them. Even though I was long dead in there anyways, I wouldn't want to spoil it for the rest.

The missing puzzle, which I briefly mentioned in 205 is user MafMen from N2082, who has been posting in the same way as the other two users I had mentioned before.

I just wanted to say that

Prism

plays a similar role (of a mentor, senior figure somewhat) in this game to

implosion

in N2082. And since implosion was town in that game, that strengthens my townread of

Prism

.

When it comes to

StrangeMatter

, who was also town in that game, his posts are very similar and consistent with what they exhibited when they plunged into N2082. It's not enough for a townread to me still, but there's other neutral reads I'll be willing to look into first and I would rather leave dealing with

StrangeMatter

for later. They're also on the

marcistar

wagon, which I think leads to voting out a potential scum, but this could be distancing as well (SM voted them first, I joined second), as it seems that the rest of town doesn't agree with that read. So yeah, still neutral territory, but with better potential than the other two.

[Greeting]

Also; as soon as the initial push on Greeting started, they and strange have been oddly silent about each other. (As far as I see their last mention was on Greeting.

It feels like intentional distancing to me if I'm right about greeting, because they've interacted with almost every other slot far as I can tell

...I just literally made 262 though?

[Greeting]

I would like to hear about Greeting's radio silence on Strange until their last post when they managed to fit "null read" into a bigger paragraph than any of their actual reads

Because all I had on them was their past behavior in N2082 and I couldn’t talk about it.

[Greeting]

Greeting, I think you’re putting a bit too much emphasis on the way some people talk or general archetypes of players as patterns from past games to define your reads. I skimmed through other games I played with Marci and she didn’t use capital letters more there. Mentors can be town, and they can be scum. I don’t think alignment would change whether or not someone plays as a mentor or if someone suddenly likes capitalizing things.

I... disagree.

While definitely I am not going to

only

look into past behavior of players this whole game, my belief is that it’s a good starting point.

Also, my past play is being extensively looked into, so why wouldn’t I do that when it comes to other players?

[Greeting]

The tone of

ProHawk

's posts feels... towny. But I'll analyse them later.

[Greeting]

I kinda feel like I've already made up my mind as to whom I'd like to be voted out today.

Marcistar

is the only moderate scumread I have at the moment. We do have quite some time until EOD though, and I don't see a majority building on her, so I guess I have to look into alternatives. I'm not sure if I'll do it today, maybe tomorrow tbf.

[Greeting]

VOTE: StrangeMatter

Prefer my vote here.

May be wrong on this idea but I feel like Strange's in a position a lot of mafia members are: widely null or slightly scumread with not much radical takes, and without much pressure on them. I think this kind of null or slight scumread is what a lot of mafia members like to read each other, I could see many players be doing this regarding Strange.

You're correct on this, and that is exactly why I scumread

StrangeMatter

in N2082, even just right before my self-hammer and subsequent elimination from the game. Thing is, they turned out to be town. And that's why I'm reluctant to join the wagon. But truth is, I've never seen scum

StrangeMatter

either.

[Greeting]

VOTE: StrangeMatter

Prefer my vote here.

May be wrong on this idea but I feel like Strange's in a position a lot of mafia members are: widely null or slightly scumread with not much radical takes, and without much pressure on them. I think this kind of null or slight scumread is what a lot of mafia members like to read each other, I could see many players be doing this regarding Strange.

You're correct on this, and that is exactly why I scumread

StrangeMatter

in N2082, even just right before my self-hammer and subsequent elimination from the game. Thing is, they turned out to be town. And that's why I'm reluctant to join the wagon. But truth is, I've never seen scum

StrangeMatter

either.

Here's my read on SM from that game:

Moderate scumlean

(two players in this category are of equal suspicion to me)

StrangeMatter

- Ever since entering the game they seem to be comfortably sitting on the fence, questioning and judging around, but without going into any concrete direction. Sure, it's okay if one doesn't like my self-hammer play (374, 385) I respect that. Sure, it's okay if one thinks I'm harming town (673). It feels to me like commenting on whatever I'm doing at the moment and questioning me is an easy way to get towncred without actually doing anything themselves. It is notable to me that they haven't really shared any strong read on anyone or even voted for anyone.

While StrangeMatter isn't exactly my first choice for an elimination vote, I can join that wagon.

[Greeting]

Greeting, I think you’re putting a bit too much emphasis on the way some people talk or general archetypes of players as patterns from past games to define your reads. I skimmed through other games I played with Marci and she didn’t use capital letters more there. Mentors can be town, and they can be scum. I don’t think alignment would change whether or not someone plays as a mentor or if someone suddenly likes capitalizing things.

I... disagree.

While definitely I am not going to

only

look into past behavior of players this whole game, my belief is that it’s a good starting point.

Also, my past play is being extensively looked into, so why wouldn’t I do that when it comes to other players?

That’s not the same thing. People looking for patterns within other players’ gameplay is fine, but you’re saying that certain archetypes of players tend to be town or scum based on just seeing some players who don’t like capitalizing or who act as mentors. If you wanna meta read players, just meta read them on their own past games, or at the very least show that what you’re pointing out in these past players was actually scummy. Like for example, you could’ve looked at another one of N_M’s games where he was town and seen whether or not he capitalizes more as town. Meta reads are fine, I just think you’re leaning into archetypes and playstyles a lot when while they can fluctuate to an extent, you haven’t proven your point that they warrant a town or a scumread over it. It just seems like a massive reach.

Oh, obviously, I wouldn't say X is town just because the

type of their play

reminds me of someone else who flipped town in another game.

But it is an important indicator to me. If I'm townreading someone for different reasons, then this can act as something that strengthens the townread. It also works in the opposite way, this time with

marcistar

.

[Greeting]

I've read all

StrangeMatter

's posts and nothing really sticks out to me.

Posts like 67, 87, 95, 185 are fairly neutral and consistent with my feel of them from N2082.

StrangeMatter

has a habit of asking a lot of questions with little follow-up. This can be seen in 228, 270. They definitely are sitting on the sidelines of this game, but they've done this in that past game before. I remember their play there being very passive until they decided on my wagon, and my feeling is that that's just the way they're playing, at least early in the game.

I just can't get more out of this slot than I already have (and I'm aware that is quite little). And to be fair, I don't feel any sort of paranoia here, like I slightly did with

Prism

/

AsuStuckey

(described in 224). I would have probably latched onto them for this type of play if I didn't study it closely during N2082, and they seem to exhibit it here as well.

They also are voting

marcistar

. @

StrangeMatter

, could you please expand on why you're on this wagon with me?

[Greeting]

Now, when it comes to

ProHawk

.

Their start in the game was lazy. I felt like their vote and reasoning in 108 was the easy choice at the moment.
Nonetheless, they did finally point to the unanswered questions in 291, the timing of which was late, and by that time the heat of my wagon was wearing off. A scum could have just conveniently forgotten about this exchange. Yet, in spite of them already going after

Prism

, they showed consistency. To me that's a plus.
Post 125 had

some

follow-up in 298. I'm not sure I understand what they mean, though. I've already moved on from that point of the game and

Meuh

with

MegAzumarill

who were voting me at the time have an, albeit soft and weak, townread.
He also correctly points out

Prism

's high reliance on meta in 302.
Their last reactions can be interpreted either as scummy and towny. Basically, annoyed town or annoyed scum (336, 338, 339, 341). So this gives us nothing.
Their spat with

Prism

seems like town/town just like I had one with

Val89

in N2082.

I'm not feeling this slot is very scummy either.

And this is really frustrating to me, because there are obviously two scums in this game and I can spot only one.

I guess if one of the

StrangeMatter

or

ProHawk

wagons pulls through, it will be without me on it. Unless something changes by EOD.

[Greeting]

RVS really.

Maybe I'm just angry and just biasing myself but I'm getting off for right now and getting my head away from this.

UNVOTE:

Well, that's disappointing.

[Greeting]

It is extremely typical for people to look into arguments with me, see that they are too complex or specific, and dismiss them as likely TvT.

All 3 of the samples I gave where I had similar arguments with scum had multiple town players drawing the same lazy conclusion and losing two of the games for it.

I have a rather firm townread on you and a neutral read on

ProHawk

. I’ve read their posts in isolation from your responses and their posts just don’t give me a very scummy feeling. Not a townie feeling either. I honestly just concluded nothing from it.

And the way I see it, I’d rather vote someone out whom I see at least a bit more sus. And, unfortunately, at the moment there is just one player who sticks out.
There are some possibilities:
1)

marcistar

’s scumbuddy is

AsuStuckey

and I can’t deduce that other than by townreading everyone else - for reasons which I think are obvious;
2) my reads are wrong - and this is more likely than 1) and this is really annoying, because I’ve worked on them for a long time and I don’t see them having changed substantially since I posted them. Like, there has been far more posts from both

StrangeMatter

and

ProHawk

and all of them amount to them being neutral reads as they were. I guess I’m very slightly more leaning towards

ProHawk

being scummier than the former, but there isn’t a red flag out there for me (nor a green flag for that matter).

What’s also annoying is that my townreads seem to be going in a completely different direction to myself.

I guess I’ll take another approach (definitely not today, but tomorrow) and try to find a scumbuddy for

marcistar

.

[Greeting]

I still haven't gotten over the fact that Azumarill's eyes in Meg's avatar are slightly moving.

[Greeting]

None of this points towards a genuine curiosity in my alignment.

That is a statement that I can somewhat see being true. I focused on the fact that he did finish his trains of thoughts (there were two of them regarding myself), but not in the way he did it and it was, in fact, really just tying loose ends. I suppose he could be doing it for the sake of not being accused of abandoning suspicious and being inconsistent.

Like, I did tie my loose ends in 201, but with a (what I think is) logical explanation of what I was actually trying to do at the time. But this from

ProHawk

just felt... lazy.

Admittedly, I didn't address 291, but that's because I felt like this was already answered with that phase of the game being long over in my head.

Reading more deeply into 298, I could see this being a scumlean by trying to exploit something I indeed had said, but long ago, and have since gone elsewhere. Then again, this is quite a weak thing to say and point out, in my opinion. So it could also be a townie, who hasn't been catching up fully with the thread and had something stuck in their head from earlier on. Especially since it was them who asked the question regarding my first wagon (125).

My first wagon, when I was put at E-3, to me seemed like something that had some chance of success (and I was really annoyed about it, because of how flimsy it was). He moved on from it very late, long after the whole Greeting is us before accidental PT reveal ended. They also said nothing about my PT links and tbf, it seems like an important event in this game. It's something I definitely would comment on, if it happened to someone else other than myself. And I've seen most players address this one way or another, except

StrangeMatter

,

ProHawk

and

AsuStuckey

.

Any thoughts about this?

[Greeting]

See one of these days I'm going to mirror the eyes and see who notices.
Or maybe slightly zoom in on the face

Taking inspiration from this?

Spoiler: Big image

[Greeting]

I'm honored to have my own tier!

It makes me want to cry tiers of joy.

I can't believe I missed this pun! English isn't my native language.

I guess I should be heading to sleep now, though.

[Greeting]

@

Prism

you said you wanted to elaborate on my reads. I'd like to hear that.

[Greeting]

But maybe calm down first please. You're clearly getting worked up and incredibly emotionally involved. Happens to all of us, and I've also been guilty of that. Not that I'm gaslighting you, but when we let emotions take over, logic and observation comes second.

[Greeting]

@

MegAzumarill

, I know you're scumreading me, but I'd like to hear what you have to say about other players too.

I remember you tunnelling me to no end in N2081 and this time you seem to be less keen on "catching me in the heat of the moment". You've exhibited this behavior in 142, 144, 151, but you've given up on that. Why? You've visibly calmed down in the last few pages and I wonder why you've stopped trying to find anything that sounds even remotely scummy in my last posts. If your assumption is that I'm scum then what is the purpose of my posts from the last 3-4 pages? Who is my partner?

[Greeting]

Greeting, what happened to all of the memes/youtube links/pictures in your posts?

...nothing? They're still there last second I checked.

[Greeting]

Greeting, what happened to all of the memes/youtube links/pictures in your posts?

...nothing? They're still there last second I checked.

umm, no I mean like you stopped doing it.

I don't posts memes regularly, but when I feel like it.

[Greeting]

Also why in the world are you also not voting anyone? I could probably also go for a Cape90 elimination at this point.

Unless anyone has any earth-shattering revelations, I'm probably sticking to one of [Cape, SM, or Prism]

Here's my ranking from most town to most scum...

ProHawk
marcistar
Meuh
Greeting
Cabd
MegAzumarill
Cape90
StrangeMatter
Prism Spartan117

Cabd isn't a real read but because of the lack of content he goes smack dab in the middle for now.

What exactly do you find scummy about

Cape90

?

[Greeting]

VOTE: Cabd

POE

I honestly just don't really see many realistic scum teams within the 8 slots that have been active and townread most people so I think Cabd just has to be scum here.
Main issue with this elim would be lack of info from the flip which would kinda suck, but I just don't really know where else we should elim here, none of the options really have me convinced
Maybe Strange is still a better elim just cause it provides more info on flip and I can see that slot be scum but meh, I think mafia Cabd is

significantly

more likely than it is for anyone else

I really think Meg's town here, idk why exactly but their vibes are immaculate at the moment

I'm glad that there is someone out there who got to a similar conclusion to myself.

VOTE: Cabd

[Greeting]

My attempts to get more out of

Prism

and

MegAzumarill

have been ignored. But I can't scumread either for that, given that they apparently were occupied elsewhere. Still, this doesn't let me make any progress when it comes to my personal reads and that's why my vote is where it landed this very moment.

I don't think I'm voting

ProHawk

today. I'm definitely not voting out

Prism

today.

StrangeMatter

? I'm unwilling. That's why my choice is

Cabd

, a slot which subbed in and did far less with their reads than other players, such as myself,

Meuh

,

MegAzumarill

or

Prism

. Since I can't do 1 (referencing post 381), I'll do 2 with

AsuStuckey

's successor.

[Greeting]

Since

MegAzumarill

is opting for a

Prism

wagon, they must be thinking that the scumteam is me and her. I think it would be really cool to be in a scumteam with such an experienced player, but I didn’t roll scum this game and I don’t think

Prism

has either. I prefer to play as town, even though I have a better game win ratio as scum (source: my head/Confessions On A Dance Floor buy on iTunes now).

Besides, I was thinking - if I was using the scumthread to make draft posts, and had a partner like

Prism

wouldn’t they warn me that post tags change after they’re posted and strongly discourage me from copying post content with coding?

[Greeting]

I'm not exactly trustful of

ProHawk

. Honestly though, I just can't bring myself to scumread people who get overly emotional in a mafia game. I feel like it's a natural reaction to being accused, that, when under scrutiny can emerge unprovoked in these circumstances. Nothing about

Prism

/

ProHawk

reaction seems scripted from either. If someone is wrongly accused, they're far less likely to keep cool unless prompted or coached by someone - which can't happen amongst townies.

I'm more suspicious of the "I'm VT, you can vote me out anyways" reaction (which I didn't see happening in this game) even though I'm guilty of doing it myself.

I'm slightly getting paranoid about being played around by experienced players. But this is meta, and I never let meta come first before reads.

Speaking of meta:

Greeting absolutely has a meta shift, unsure if that's AI though....

What do you mean by that?

[Greeting]

The newbie game that Prism linked to, you had a lot more gifs/pictures posted than this one

This answer is disappointing. While it is true, I posted significantly more stuff like this in N2078 and N2081, due to what I perceived as a negative reaction from other players I toned it down a bit. And that can already be seen in N2082, a game in which I was town.

I was hoping you’d say something about the content that I post, reads that I make or even the tone of my post. Seems lazy to have such a simplistic approach.

[Greeting]

I was hoping you’d say something about the content that I post, reads that I make or even the tone of my post. Seems lazy to have such a simplistic approach.

Why does this post make it seem like you want me to catch you as scum? This is odd.

I’ll tell you what I’m doing. I have some degree of trust in

Meuh

but I don’t trust you and the fact that you’re voting

Cabd

is making me feel uneasy. This wagon, on my part (and I think

Meuh

’s too) is based on the fact, that I’m townreading a large pool of players and they’re what’s left. I’m trying to test if it’s the right direction or not, and I was hoping that you’d say something that would make me townread you. But you said something that didn’t help at all and made me even more uneasy and hesitant.

[Greeting]

I don't know how to help you Greeting, I'm not going to play to appease you.

I don't expect you to play to appease me. But what you pointed out about my giffing/meme-ing etc. is lazy in two senses: not only it is not correct (as it was most likely formed by a short glance at some of my posts from one game), but also feels like pointing out something that is far less relevant than other things I've said or did in this game or other games in particular. It may be just a difference between play styles, but that is

my feeling

. I've also come at

MegAzumarill

for the same reasons - although he definitely has been more investigative in both N2081 and N2084 than just "uhh he's posting less gifs and memes than in a game he played in early September".

Speaking of whom, Meg has been definitely less active recently and this is making me question my soft townread on them. As if they've come, made their tunnel attempt on me, and then backed off when the job of showing they're consistent is done.

[Greeting]

Very well, I hope you keep your word on this.

[Greeting]

Looks like

StrangeMatter

or

MegAzumarill

will decide the outcome of this Day.

[Greeting]

What I find a bit odd is how Greeting in his previous games seemed to be so cautious about the whole E-2 E-1 thing although in their prior town games, they acknowledge it and don't seem all that fazed by the concept.

I wonder what the reactions will be when I flip town, which I am.

Comes off a little strange. Why the comment so far from elimination?

Five votes are needed to vote someone out. I am at four atm.

Is TL at E-1 now? You’d better elaborate fast then.

I’m not sure if you knew this,

Cape90

, but UhUhWaitAndSee was scum in that game.

[Greeting]

Needless to say, I am wary about E-1 and E-2, but it depends on the time of the Day Phase. Right now, I’m not at all fazed at

Cabd

being put at E-1. I would, however, strongly prefer if whomever was to hammer them (or

ProHawk

for that matter) clearly stated their intentions and gave them at least some time to respond to that.

[Greeting]

Yes I am referring to myself in that last post. Hindsight can really make you think. I know for a fact I haven't been ultra towny this game and yet Cabd and Greeting seem to think so. Unless both wolves really wanted to pocket me by putting me as both of their top town, I find Cabd/Greeting probably not mafia together.

Well, I am on the

Cabd

wagon and they're at E-1, so I am definitely okay with them being voted out. It's going to be

StrangeMatter

's decision probably though. I might hammer

ProHawk

as an absolute last resort - if for some odd reason no one is willing to hammer

Cabd

and someone moves to the other wagon. It is highly preferable to eliminate, and I would prefer that it's

Cabd

who's out, but if the choice is between

ProHawk

and noelim, I opt for the former.

When it comes to you, my reads haven't changed at all, so while I am reading your thoughts, I pay far more attention to what other players are doing in hopes of scum hunting.

[Greeting]

21 hours and 30 minutes left. So still some time, but when it’s under 12 hours until EOD, I think it’s time to vote someone out.

[Greeting]

is cabd scum..?

This is a post

I am concerned at the low post count from Marci despite me sidelining her essentially based on her early posting.

Marcistar

is still my first choice to eliminate, but unfortunately the rest doesn’t agree with me for whatever reason. The fact that she’s been on the sidelines of the game seems to fit in well with the notion that both scums are stalling and rather passive this game.

[Greeting]

If someone is wondering if it’s the right time to hammer or not then I answer:

yes, it is

.

[Greeting]

Still here to hammer if needed, and you can treat not doing so as a scumclaim from me.

I am adamant that we hear something from StrangeMatter today. Not commenting on either wagon is unacceptable.

Perfect timing, Greeting.

I will 100% be around and hammer as necessary barring severe physical injury. We will not no-elim as long as there are no random unvotes, so rest easy on that front.

Good.

I’m shocked and appalled that

StrangeMatter

just vanished at the climax of Day One, knowing their vote might be crucial to the outcome of this Day. They haven’t checked in the last, what, 24 hours?

StrangeMatter

are not a new player, they’ve played and spectated several times before. So unless something urgent happened on their part, I am treating this as a scumlean.

[Greeting]

If the choice is

ProHawk

, I should be around in around 2-3 hours in time to switch to the other wagon. Noelim is bad and I want to avoid it if possible.

[Greeting]

Personally, though I'm fine with eliminating Cabd here. Though I'm wondering if we still have things we want to discuss at this point?

I

very strongly

urge you to decide on one candidate of those two. I think it's way too late for discussion and nothing new could possibly emerge from this. Both cases have already been made. I have nothing more to say than what I've already said in light of Day One. I would prefer that it's

Cabd

who is gone this Day, but it's your vote and your decision.

[Greeting]

1 hour and 9 minutes to deadline.

Since Strange is here and commenting sporadically, I will wait to 30 minutes remaining, but do not feel comfortable waiting any longer than that. That is a hard deadline.

You have 8 minutes before I hammer.

I get being indecisive, or perhaps patient to a fault. Do you understand the ramifications of not voting as town? It is fine to be wrong. It is not fine not to vote, to risk no elim, and to let scum exert more influence on the elimination by default, and I cannot press this point on you enough.

Since I still would rather have

Cabd

eliminated, I am still waiting for this deadline to end or for

StrangeMatter

's vote. If you don't keep your word,

Prism

, you're landing on my scumlean and so is

StrangeMatter

if they refuse to vote. I don't think I need to explain why. This charade is going on for too long.

[Greeting]

Ain’t that disappointing.

[Greeting]

So, since

Titus

was Doctor, we have a Cop and a Roleblocker (A1) or Tracker and a Rolecop (B3) left. Then again, I'm not sure what to do with this information either.

I absolutely hated the last minutes of Day One, but

StrangeMatter

did vote in the end and admitted being very nervous (658). Not 100% sure that I'm buying it. But to be fair, if they weren't absent, they must have known that likely it was their vote that would decide the outcome of the game, so putting themselves out like this sounds like an illogical decision to make as scum. Or maybe that's really what happened and I just think they're more advanced than they actually are.

There's someone else that's been irking me.

MegAzumarill

has been visibly absent, both in terms of posting and in terms of content they produce, in the last few days and it really stands out for me in light of their constant activity in N2081. I feel like I wrote them off sooner than I should have.

VOTE: MegAzumarill

[Greeting]

Welp, that’s unfortunate.

I’ll try to make some new reads and cast a vote this evening

We can still win it!

Do you think that both scums were on the

Cabd

wagon or did they spread votes? We have two conftownies on the

ProHawk

wagon, and

Cape90

whom I'm still reading town. But then there's

marcistar

.

Cabd

[5]: Meuh, Greeting, ProHawk, MegAzumarill, StrangeMatter [HAMMER]

ProHawk

[4]:

Prism

, marcistar, Cape90,

Cabd

[Greeting]

Welp, that’s unfortunate.

I’ll try to make some new reads and cast a vote this evening

We can still win it!

Do you think that both scums were on the

Cabd

wagon or did they spread votes? We have two conftownies on the

ProHawk

wagon, and

Cape90

whom I'm still reading town. But then there's

marcistar

.

Cabd

[5]: Meuh, Greeting, ProHawk, MegAzumarill, StrangeMatter [HAMMER]

ProHawk

[4]:

Prism

, marcistar, Cape90,

Cabd

My first thought was 2 scum in Prohawk/Meg/Strange so I’m leaning towards them being on the Cabd wagon

If I'm not wrong about

Cape90

, then the

ProHawk

wagon looks like a pretty townie place to be. That would leave

marcistar

out of the pool of suspects.

I'm also leaning towards both scums choosing to decide on the

Cabd

wagon. Since

Cabd

was playing pretty neutrally and it was a neutral read for most, this seemed like a safe spot even after they flip town. Voting out a town-aligned

ProHawk

(not saying that he is) could have been far more incriminating than a neutral

Cabd

.

Leaving out myself and yourself this indeed does leave these three. I think there is

at least

one scum amongst them. I need to do look back at

Prism

's case on

ProHawk

and

StrangeMatter

's game history. I'll do that as soon as I can.

[Greeting]

I don't really fully get the logic behind two scum on wagons idea. To me, it's generally unlikely and more commonly done that scum spreads themselves thinly instead of though I haven't tested this idea much (it's happened before, where both scum jumped onto one wagon, so maybe it's more likely to happen with scum who knows this idea well, though that's a guess in its own right and should be taken with a huge side of salt).

Do you think that the votes are spread? If so, then whom from from this group:

Cape90

,

marcistar

is the second scum?

[Greeting]

Also prism kill strongly implicates Greeting as scum.

Why is that?

[Greeting]

You were irreparable scum in their eyes and you knew it.
You would have to kill them at some point this game or you would lose. And each day their vote only grows stronger

It’s starting to look obvious to me.

Prism

was killed off to supposedly implicate and frame me for it.

[Greeting]

Probably feared investigative prism? They would need to kill them at some point.

Prohawk Greeting makes a lot of sense if it's a tracker setup tbh.
Prism would track one of the two for sure

Investigative? There are non-investigative role setups in every column, such as A3 for instance. Being scum, how would I even know that there is an investigative role in the game for sure?

[Greeting]

Inb4 the scumteam is

MegAzumarill

and

ProHawk

. This isn’t newbie play. They weren’t town PR hunting, they just wanted to kill two birds with one stone and simply got lucky while doing it.

[Greeting]

Inb4 the scumteam is

MegAzumarill

and

ProHawk

. This isn’t newbie play. They weren’t town PR hunting, they just wanted to kill two birds with one stone and simply got lucky while doing it.

You're both saying it's the other with ProHawk... you should unite and vote ProHawk!

Not before I do my research on

Prism

's case on them. But this scumteam makes a lot of sense. Especially given

marcistar

's 684, who points out well

Prism

's reads are being used selectively.

MegAzumarill

's behavior let me know what's going on here. I am almost 100% sure that an SE is behind this.

[Greeting]

My first thought was 2 scum in Prohawk/Meg/Strange so I’m leaning towards them being on the Cabd wagon

If

Cape90

is scum then I congratulate him on convincing me otherwise.
I suspected

marcistar

before, but this is evidently an engaging play and I'm willing to believe that someone who lost interest in the game wouldn't come to a decision to frame me with killing

Prism

. Only to defend me later (689). Plus post 684 is something made by a townie. A scum would have no reason to point this out. I'm leaving this case for now.

Meuh

's posts like the most recent 693 are also written by a townie. If someone says exactly what I think without me being prodded, like they,

Prism

and

Cape90

did before, then I consider this a townlean. And I tested this with 672.

This leaves the trio of

StrangeMatter

,

ProHawk

and

MegAzumarill

.

MegAzumarill

is the scummiest of them all. Coming over to do tunnelling on me, getting a soft townlean out of it, tactically ignoring my PT reveal only to later decide to use it and

Prism

's death to frame me.

This must be the solution of the game.

The actual logistics of it are complicated.

If Greeting is scum the prism kill is forced, but prism could still be killed with town!Greeting.

Independent of the nightkill I want a Greeting elim on long discussed grounds. I don't think their play matches them as town and there's always the whole PT think prism likely died over.

Prohawk aftee my catchup would be the most likely partner for Greeting. After their exchange with prism it looked townie at first, but looks more like forced cluelessness as scum digging deeper.

So now that other townies aren't so willing to vote me out you're trying to flake out?

[Greeting]

You thought this would be easy: my PT reveal, your „meta” research and

Prism

’s death would all work well enough against me. But it isn’t so you’re trying to find a „solution” to the game which involves me being town. Good news, I have one and it involves you being behind all this.

[Greeting]

You were irreparable scum in their eyes and you knew it.
You would have to kill them at some point this game or you would lose. And each day their vote only grows stronger

This is pretty strong pressure and a pretty strong statement I would say. Considering the fact that I read all

Prism

’s posts in preparation for analysing

ProHawk

and the facts are that

Prism

in her last posts wasn’t willing to vote me out that much at all until they got a stronger read on me.

[Greeting]

I am definitely okay with a

MegAzumarill

elim today. Like I said before, their behavior has assured me why

Titus

was killed off.

Their partner is one out of:

StrangeMatter

,

ProHawk

. I guess I’d rather vote out the latter first before the former.

[Greeting]

I don’t think what

MegAzumarill

is doing is opportunistic at all, it’s a deliberate plan which involves killing one dangerous slot (

Prism

) and selectively using their reads to implicate another (myself).

[Greeting]

Apparently the bulk of my case is meta, of two of my games in particular: N2078 and N2081. I feel like I addressed this already, but let me bring it up again.

While it is true, I posted significantly more stuff like this in N2078 and N2081, due to what I perceived as a negative reaction from other players I toned it down a bit. And that can already be seen in N2082, a game in which I was town.

And there's not much more to it. I guess if someone doesn't believe it, then there's nothing more I can do about it than what I've already done. I don't think the push for me comes from town at all though.

[Greeting]

We have 7 players left. Which means that we have two more chances to vote out scum. My bet and my choice is to focus on the earlier mentioned three, if indeed two of them are scum, then the game should be solved.

[Greeting]

I am not the lim today.
This game is pretty much solved from my perspective.

Meuh and Cape are almost definitely town.
Prohawk is not s/s with marcistar.

I am town.

Therefore we have 5 scumteam options: Greeting with strange, prohawk, or Marci.
Or strangematter with Marci/prohawk.

A Greeting into strangehawk lim guarantees we make it to d4 at least. If I get limped we likely lose lylo

This is not a solve of a game.

Not just because I'm town. Mathematically it doesn't add up. Let's say we vote out myself today. What will you do when I flip town? You have three suspects left, amongst whom two are scums.

We get

two more chances

to vote out scum. If it doesn't happen today, D3 is eliminate or lose. You named four suspects: myself,

StrangeMatter

,

ProHawk

and

marcistar

, but mathematically at most only two of them can be. Which means that by going with your plan, a it is entirely possible that the game is not solved.

[Greeting]

FFS Titus is not in this game

I’m sorry, I meant

Prism

. I had played with Titus before and I was reading that game. And I guess post 731 confused me.

[Greeting]

And I guess post 731 confused me.

wut?

you were the one who called Prism Titus first, not me...

I checked and you’re right. I didn’t even notice that.

[Greeting]

Inb4 the scumteam is

MegAzumarill

and

ProHawk

. This isn’t newbie play. They weren’t town PR hunting, they just wanted to kill two birds with one stone and simply got lucky while doing it.

You're both saying it's the other with ProHawk... you should unite and vote ProHawk!

@Greeting I checked the post you said pointed towards Mueh being townie, but....I don't quite get this logic? Kind of want to know why you think what they said comes from town I mean.

My soft townlean on

Meuh

isn't very strong, but it's still a townlean. I would refer you to my wallread in 224 for their posts before that.
I would say that their posts after their wallread in 189 are pretty consistent.
Post 233, as their reply to my accusations towards them makes sense and to be fair, I'm buying it. It also occurred to me that one can hold onto an inaccurate read and do a 180 on someone upon further analysis. Scums generally worry about being inconsistent far more than genuine townies.
Their reasons for voting you are genuine and remind me of my push on you from N2082. I would probably have joined had it not been for the meta I knew from that game. As a matter of fact, I was making notes of this in my PT, even before that game came to an end. I remembered to judge you basing on whether you would flip town or scum in that game. Post 316 exemplifies that case in a good way. It's just like with

Prism

's push on me regarding my PT reveal - even if wrong, it is a genuine thing to suspect someone for and shows town thinking.
I also don't think a scum would lecture me on how to play, posts like 268 and 355 come from a place of genuine concern.
On top of that, I agree with their reads, and they've said things I was thinking about unprompted. (post 673 for instance)
Their carefulness and shifting away from the

MegAzumarill

wagon is a town sign. Though the evaluation of this might change in my eyes later in the game, if

MegAzumarill

is a potential elimination and they decide on someone who I think is townie. But I think it's unlikely given that our reads seem to align.

There are some things I find questionable about them. Like their very certain townread on me in 505. Obviously it's correct, but that seems overly confident. Even

Cape90

voiced some bigger concern about me. Post 713 seems to soften this a bit though.

Overall, I'm definitely not voting out

Meuh

today.

[Greeting]

Let's not stall out here.
Let's get a general consensus with 2-3 IRL days on the calendar and not run down to the wire in case we need to make a change in decision *last mintue*

I have seen a lot of people throwing out StrangeMatter on their list of mafia candidates, why isn't there more of a push here?

Why do you keep trying to throw shade (that's what it feels like) onto people?

Because he knows your town and with this shade he is throwing at you, he believes that he can start a misvote on you through this message.

Oh I mean, if ProHawk is mafia that is :p

Yeah, I was thinking that too. Obviously I mistakenly started talking about Titus instead of

Prism

and this created some confusion, but continuing that seemed like an attempt at derailing and deflecting attention.

[Greeting]

If you're paying attention to the game, why in the hell would you mistake Prism for Titus? Like where is that even a link? Even if you were playing a game with Titus somewhere else, where is that crossover?

Because they're both female and, in my eyes, were senior figures and experienced players in their respective games.

[Greeting]

My list to eliminate today is:

MegAzumarill

,

ProHawk

and

StrangeMatter

in that order.

Maybe I just biased myself so hard into this, but I just cannot see

any

scum outside this pool.

[Greeting]

If you're paying attention to the game, why in the hell would you mistake Prism for Titus? Like where is that even a link? Even if you were playing a game with Titus somewhere else, where is that crossover?

Because they're both female and, in my eyes, were senior figures and experienced players in their respective games.

Titus posts nothing like Prism from my experience

I don't know what to tell you, and I don't know where you're going with this. If you think that the two posts where I accidentally mentioned Titus are not paying attention to the game, then I can only ask to look at the remaining 112, maybe except the few where I was obviously giffing and meme-ing.

My list to eliminate today is:

MegAzumarill

,

ProHawk

and

StrangeMatter

in that order.

Maybe I just biased myself so hard into this, but I just cannot see

any

scum outside this pool.

Why not StrangeMatter first?

at the end of D1 you weren't willing to vote StrangeMatter at all. What changed?

Because of meta I have on them from N2082. Their play style seems to be a match to that game.

[Greeting]

MegAzumarill

is lurking. Care to join us once you're done discussing in the scum thread?

[Greeting]

Also, voting

StrangeMatter

at the end of D1 would be a

blunder

given the fact that there were two other wagons formed and a vanity vote at that stage of the game risked noelim.

[Greeting]

I’ve already made up my mind. I don’t think I have anything more to say now. It’ll be up to the players who are not voting to decide if they trust me, or

MegAzumarill

, or perhaps someone else. As of this particular point in the game I am willing to vote out only out of the aforementioned pool of three players.

[Greeting]

It isn’t me and

marcistar

. Nor me and anyone else.

The push for my elim is coming from scum.

[Greeting]

Two scum?

At least one. It's is likely that both.

[Greeting]

Greeting’s behaviour in the first few posts of this day just seem like scum trying to appeal to a trusted townie in order to reinforce their own place in the game

Don’t like it

???

Who are you even talking about as a trusted townie? And, what do you mean by trying to appeal to a trusted townie?

Sorry for not being clear, to me it just seemed like the way Greeting approached the start of the day was deliberately to appeal to me (who is one of the more townread players), and by appealing to me, getting his name out of the elim pool for today, or at the very least my vote off of him.
Don’t know if it fully makes sense but I’m paranoid of getting pocketed and I think that might be what Greeting’s been attempting as of late? On a reread Greeting’s early day 2 isn’t that bad in terms of pocketing potential but idk, it felt like all of our thoughts magically lined up and I don’t like that

You're a player whom I'm town reading and choosing to trust. I have certain thoughts about the game. I usually post them sooner or later. Sometimes I need to formulate them better, and that's why I asked for a PT, a place where I do it. I withhold about 10% of them - because I want to test other players so that I can draw conclusions out of the result. Even then, when I'm done with that 10%, I inform everyone of what I'm doing.

I'm town and I'm not a Town Mason. Which means that I have no automatic allies in this game. Any alliance that occurs and involves me will have to be built - and this is what I'm doing by working with you. I can't eliminate anyone myself alone from scratch. I can only try to convince other players to vote with me on someone, even then I often have to compromise which I do and I've done before both in this game and in every other mafia game I've played on this site.

That is how it looks like from my perspective, at least.

[Greeting]

Two scum?

At least one. It's is likely that both.

Tell me why MegAz is scum again

Very well, in shorter words. All of it can already be found in my earlier posts.

They've come to this game, done a good job doing nr 2:

I agree it's probably objectively bad for town but as a player I typically do 1 of 2 things.

1 Form reads slowly but have confidence in them
2 Jump on someone that I think is scummy early and death tunnel them forever (ask Greeting)

That made me townread them. I left them out and started hunting for others, most notably

marcistar

.

But then they vanished, started being far less investigative and less interested in the game. This didn't feel right compared with their constant activity in N2081. When it came to end of D1, they visibly didn't protest against either yourself of

Meuh

being voted out. There are some classes of players in my mind, who behave in a certain way. Like, I would get if an actual newbie, who isn't that heavily invested into mafia would be unbothered. But it really irks me that

MegAzumarill

didn't care more than myself,

Prism

or even

Meuh

. Sure, I was on the

Cabd

wagon too, but I've exhaustively elaborated what led me to that place in the game back then. And this is pretty much what we get from Meg:

I'm pretty busy for the most part and skimmed through my catchup
VOTE: Cabd

Prohawk is a town read so I prefer a null read over them obviously

And a lot of inactivity.

That was when my eyebrows were beginning to rise, and when it came to D2, I was ready to question (maybe not vote them out yet) them about the few earlier days.

His recent activity explained it all. It must have been decided in the scumthread that

Prism

is being killed off in order to frame it on me. This came out of none other than himself - and even the rest of players doesn't seem to see it. Hell, even I didn't really see the correlation between myself and getting

Prism

killed, yet this logic is clearly being forced onto other townies. And here's how:

You were irreparable scum in their eyes and you knew it.
You would have to kill them at some point this game or you would lose. And each day their vote only grows stronger

And why I think it's likely that you're the partner (and, coincidentally is a strong townlean for

marcistar

)?

why does it imply greeting but not imply prohawk

I mean it does but more strongly for Greeting

It gets into Wifom for prohawk but with Greeting its more straightforward

Marcistar

showed very much townie energy with that post and explained the flawed logic. The reads which are being used against me are being used very selectively. This isn't

MegAzumarill

tunnelling

Greeting

to no end energy. This is scum

MegAzumarill

framing

Greeting

energy.

[Greeting]

Here's who's still alive as of now:

StrangeMatter
Meuh
Cape90
Greeting
ProHawk
marcistar
MegAzumarill

Meuh

and

Cape90

are almost universally townread.

Which leaves:

StrangeMatter
Greeting
ProHawk
marcistar
MegAzumarill

I'm relatively outspoken plus there is this whole PT speculation, which explains the mafia's direction D2.

Marcistar

is ambiguous, seemed to be townread when I was pushing that slot and now apparently people are open to seeing them as my supposed scum partner. If I am correct about the earlier mentioned trio,

marcistar

is probably the reserve wagon in case the scums cannot pull mine off.

It worries me that it's hard to see the correlations amongst

MegAzumarill

,

ProHawk

,

StrangeMatter

. I mean,

ProHawk

recently has made some points, in 796, which, although I disagree that two days before EOD is time to exert pressure, are in general fair enough.

MegAzumarill

has said something about pairing me with them as scum, in 740, but it doesn't feel like real pressure to me.

StrangeMatter

's attitude towards voting this game has been difficult to say the least.

Maybe it's

MegAzumarill

/

StrangeMatter

? It seems to fit as well. But I still think it's

MegAzumarill

/

ProHawk

.

My vote is staying where it is now, but consider this to be my willingness to hammer either one of

ProHawk

or

StrangeMatter

if it comes to either getting at E-1.

[Greeting]

[Greeting]

Did you take my gun?

I'm European, what is a gun?

[Greeting]

With 1 day and 17 hours left, it would be highly preferable if we made a decision by tomorrow this time. @

Cape90

@

Meuh

@

StrangeMatter

[Greeting]

So now

Meuh

is choosing to ignore me and go with

MegAzumarill

. It's a real shame.

[Greeting]

So now

Meuh

is choosing to ignore me and go with

MegAzumarill

. It's a real shame.

So you have a reason to defend Meg like this? Look I think Meg is town but what gives here?

I'm not defending anyone, especially not

MegAzumarill

? If you meant

Meuh

and not

MegAzumarill

, I've outlined my view on them before, most recently in 751 and 807.

I'm just expressing my disappointment at this post.

I mean I’m fine with a Greeting lim, he could be scum with either Marci or ProHawk, I don’t think Marci/ProHawk is S/S

I consider

MegAzumarill

and

ProHawk

to be prime scum suspects, and obviously they need to win over townies to vote me out.

[Greeting]

(To all townies, including the one townie left amongst

MegAzumarill

,

ProHawk

and

StrangeMatter

.)

If you think I'm town, or at least more towny than

MegAzumarill

,

ProHawk

and

StrangeMatter

than all I can is ask you

is to vote for one of them

. I'll jump on whichever wagon of those three emerges as the most likely elim, unless it's

MegAzumarill

- in that case the vote is already there. I've made my preferences very clear, so my choice will reflect that. But so far it looks like the competing wagon might be me.

I think that eliminating one of them this Day is key to pushing the game forward.

I will be soon heading to sleep. I will definitely be around tomorrow afternoon, but cannot guarantee that I'll be around earlier than that. Highly depends on how busy my day will be.

[Greeting]

So now

Meuh

is choosing to ignore me and go with

MegAzumarill

. It's a real shame.

I laughed. Might steal this to use in my signature after the game is over!

I wonder how this meme will age. Most likely really badly.

[Greeting]

This string of posts just really looks like scum who's desperate after someone they relied on (me) shifted their view on them.

The pink bits just seem like Greeting trying to invoke emotions in me to make me feel bad, stupid or rude for even suggesting that liming him would be okay, very scummy to me. Maybe I am stupid for wanting to lim you, but I'd rather stay true to my reads and what I think is right than not trusting myself just because you made me feel bad

I tried to appeal to logic several times. Didn’t work. So I’m turning to my second resort. I would call it an appeal to trust. I’m not sure if trust is an emotion. I suppose it kinda is?

You focused on the tone of my posts, but completely ignored the content. Why?

[Greeting]

With regard to feeling bad or making someone else feel bad... this is a game. I am trying to build an alliance with people who I think are townies to solve the game, but see the alliance slipping away. It is disappointing to me and I’m not going to hide it. Still, I don’t think all is lost and I will continue to push for an elim of one of those three. At least when I’m gone from this game I will have no regrets.

And I don’t think

marcistar

is scum anymore, so I won’t be voting for her either.

[Greeting]

I remember how I tried the same thing in N2082 - to find allies and get them to go with me in a common direction. I wasn’t a despot. I narrowed the list of suspects down to four players (and it was correct, the two scums were there!) and tried to get everyone to focus on it - including the people who were in it. This attempt, however, backfired and I was forced to self-hammer (I had promised to do that in that game when time comes).

Why is buddying up to other people considered scummy? How else am I supposed to win this game as town? I can’t vote out anyone by myself. One can accomodate people to a very high degree and even then it’s not enough. Eh.

[Greeting]

Very well.

Greeting

is the Town Cop.

I investigated

marcistar

N1 and they’re town.

[Greeting]

Meuh

, well done. You brought me to the scums on a silver plate. I’m bitter about this, because I was hoping to elim one of the trio and then investigate one of the other. But it’ll fail now. I hope you’re scum and if you are, then you really played me well. If you’re town then this is very unfortunate.

[Greeting]

I’m pretty much useless at this point anyway, so feel free to vote me out. It’s sad how this played out, but I have no regrets.

[Greeting]

VOTE: Greeting

[Greeting]

Wha-why???

Get off of Greeting please.

No, it’s okay. Go on, hammer this if you wish. If it takes down

MegAzumarill

D3 then it should be done.

[Greeting]

We have 15 hours left.

It is time to decide.

I willingly put myself at E-1. Do the deed, then go for

MegAzumarill

and

ProHawk

. And the game, although this may be hard to believe, can still be won.

[Greeting]

@

everyone

[Greeting]

Thank you for the game. I sincerely congratulate the scum team for a very deserved win, especially StrangeMatter.

[Greeting]

Thanks for your feedback,

Prism

.

But maybe calm down first please. You're clearly getting worked up and incredibly emotionally involved. Happens to all of us, and I've also been guilty of that. Not that I'm gaslighting you, but when we let emotions take over, logic and observation comes second.

Looks like I inadvertently predicted my own downfall. Posting this, little did I know,

I

would ultimately be the drama.

[Greeting]

I don’t really have much to say, to be fair the heated argument in the Dead Thread wore me out. But I can say that after Meuh hammered me and I found out that ProHawk wasn’t the second scum, I heavily suspected her due to their obvious „alliance” with MegAzumarill and the hammer itself.

[Greeting]

I almost forgot. Hopefully, after redactions, my notes PT will be published soon. Yes, this was real and I relied on it extensively when I still was in the game. The reason for me asking for one was... because I was Town Cop and I quickly figured out that I needed to keep tabs on everyone to make the best possible choices for investigation.

[Greeting]

Regardless of whatever was the time I made the post with my reads, I think it would have been unlikely for any game host to intervene. It was my mistake and my job to answer for it and Datisi would have been in the wrong if they tried to clean up the mess. In my PT, it was clearly stated not to copy directly from it, a rule which I treated too lightly.