In post 660, Ahri wrote:EBWOP: tabbing didn't work.
Why I’m Voting Progo
I extremely dislike Progo’s reaction to me calling the scum team as LicketyQuickety and Pale Ale Dog, where he states in 436 that I “pretend to rule out” a Progo / Ahri team by immediately flipping to vote onto Progo.
The reasoning behind this is simple: if Progo is a town, I don’t need to rule out a Progo / Ahri team, because Progo is the one being bw’ed currently. If he claims a pr, or if he outs town and the vote flips off of him, a Progo / Ahri team is immediately not possible because he’s town. However, if he is unable to save himself, and he flips town, in D2 a Progo / Ahri team is still not possible.
He puts me in his top two townreads, and yet states that I am “pretending” to rule out a mafia team; a mafia team with him, no less. The keyword here which made me flip was the word “pretend”. If he truly trs both Somnus and me as his top two trs, there is absolutely no reason for him to use the word “pretend”, a word with an obviously negative connotation.
My conviction on voting him is further strengthened when he says “if I flip town” in. It’s clearly not a use of third person perspective; throughout the game, he constantly states “once I flip town”, such as in 443.
The phrase “And just when I was about to trust her again" doesn’t help. When I’m trying to flip the vote off of him, he calls me “pretending”, but then when I vote him back, when Cat Scratch Fever and LicketyQuickety are voting him and are arguably lower on his own reads list, he refuses to sr these two, and goes on to vote me eventually. He says there is 1 mafia in the wagon on him, but votes me because that’s the easiest push for today out of us three, as others have shown an intention to vote me.
Why I Can’t Be Mafia
How many interactions today have been created by me? Literally, look back at all of your reads; how many reads have been developed based on something I’ve done? If I just sit back and afk, pretend like I have nothing to do, the game is not being developed. There was a decent exchange between Andante and LicketyQuickety on early pages, but that eventually amounted to nothing. Furthermore, there has been essentially no interaction outside of me; I’m not saying that generating content is inherently towny, but if I was mafia, is there a point furthering the game? The main point is when LicketyQuickety and Cat Scratch Fever try to start a wagon on Progo the only two reasons that I would defend as mafia are simple:
(1) Progo is my scum partner, and I want to protect them.
If you believe this case, first of all, you should be voting Progo, and not me, when I can be town without Progo but he can’t be town without me. Secondly, do I point out the defensive posts in the main thread, instead of telling him in our dm? Do I try to flip off of Progo, and immediately get scared off of someone calling a Progo / Ahri scumteam? If I’m going to try to save my scum partner, I’m going to do it properly and not flip off after one person calls us teamed.
(2) Progo is town, and I want to gain his trust.
In this case, there is an obvious defense: I already had Progo’s trust. He called me and Somnus the top 2 towns in this game. He openly stated that “if either Ahri or Somnus is mafia, I will be very surprised”. I’m already defending him and stating that he doesn’t have a reason to give relatively accurate reads as mafia, narrowing down his own pool. So the question is, what is the point of me flipping back to vote on him? Like I said multiple times, if Progo is town and I am mafia, I do not get scared by a Progo / Ahri team call. He’s the one being voted, not me. Once he either outs or flips town, that team call eventually collapses, and doesn’t need me to vote Progo to change that. Furthermore, I create the interaction of calling LicketyQuickety and Pale Ale Dog two mafia, and vote myself when Progo is being voted. If he’s town and I’m mafia, there is absolutely zero reason to change the attention onto me; perhaps I can fencesit and say I think progo is town, like I did, but there is no reason for me to drastically attack both LicketyQuickety and Pale Ale Dog.
Lastly, I’ve been tr’ing Somnus and Cat Scratch Fever, and trying my best to make them locktown. Obviously, if I’m mafia, I can make these two reads incredibly easily since I know who mafia is. However, like I stated with why I didn’t like Progo mafia initially, narrowing down a possible elim pool is incredibly bad. If my point is to try and get Somnus and Cat Scratch Fever to trust me, I already succeeded. There is no point of furthering to lock them town; the point of mafia is to make themselves look better than town; I don’t care if Somnus and Cat Scratch Fever look better than me, because we’re collectively town. The logic is that when Player X trs Player Y, Player Y has an obviously higher status than Player X. If I really needed a town to trust me, I can continue with our little “Golden Girls townbloc” of 2, without having to extend an invitation to Cat Scratch Fever. By making two players who the table agrees are generally townlocks, I’ve made their status highly above mine.
Analysis on Somnus, the Town Book
I initially insta tr’ed Somnus for their entrance, which felt extremely pure. This continued when I saw their post reacting to me inviting them into a block with me, where they had even more pure chat. This, coupled with his willingness to be the second poster of the game, made me confident enough to locktown him. The thing that made me not even want to consider Somnus mafia is that his notes feel incredibly genuine. They are long, long documentations of essentially everything that happened this game, and I see nothing that could remotely be pr hunting. Either he has two sets of notes, one for pr hunting and one for town hunting, which seems extremely, extremely over for a newbie game, or he just has this one set of notes and is town. (He could have no pr notes whatsoever as mafia, which I feel is extremely unlikely). I’ve been called out for insta tr’ing Somnus, most notably by LicketyQuickety, and that’s reasonable; however, I like playing flamboyantly, and will often overstate my reads or overreact to something. Me conftowning Somnus and saying “I won’t read him anymore” doesn’t truly mean that; but when I see his notes and his reaction to me tr’ing him, I am even more confident in this read as the game progresses.
Analysis on Cat Scratch Fever, the Town Porter
Some newbies will call me out for this comment, but I don’t really care. You’re dying tonight. You are the only possible person mafia can kill tonight. You have carried this game so far on your back, hence my designation of you as the town porter. You have done everything in your power so far, checking practically every player as well as trying to teach newbies how to play. The initial reason people tr’ed you was reasonable; I omitted a mafia game I played on MS (which I genuinely forgot about lol, I think we lost it) and you background checked me and pointed it out. I didn’t feel like it was a big deal, but it shows that you’re genuinely trying to play the game. Regardless, I furthered my tr on you when you’re genuinely trying to interact with every player. THe most recent example might be with StrangeMatter, where they’re arguing with me about how to read lurking vs active players, and they’re using a (in my opinion) bad strategy on reading lurkers before active posters. You could have stood by on the sidelines, instead of stepping in and trying to correct his gamestyle. This is again extremely prevalent in the game, not necessarily with me; for example, when people were initially voting Progo, you disagreed with my and LicketyQuickety’s reasoning for voting him, but still voted him nonetheless. This type of splitting is the only type of splitting that isn’t scummy; disagreeing with a reason, but still agreeing with the result. Cat Scratch Fever can easily call people out for reasons already stated, but they choose not to.
My IQ Loss on calling LicketyQuickety and Pale Ale Dog
Like I´ve stated, I really liked progo´s carefree attitude that they displayed initially, and since they were willing to change their defensive nature, I unvoted him initially. Furthermore, even though LicketyQuickety has had good logic throughout the game, I didn like their posts from an attitude perspective (hence the gut feeling)When I call LicketyQuickety mafia, the only second mafia that can really follow is Malcolm or Pale Ale Dog; his interactions with Andante eliminate them as a team, Cat Scratch Fever and Somnus are two of my locktowns, he´s not mafia with progo pushing them, and StrangeMatter seemed town at that point. I called this team mainly to see LicketyQuicketyś reaction until Progo ¨slipped¨.
Overall Statement on Gamestate
I’ll start posting scumread paragraphs if people other than Cat Scratch Fever and LicketyQuickety want to actually start playing the damn game. I know I’ve been having fun, whether it be making overreactions, conftowning players in a buddylike manner, and jumping all over the place with random reads. However, I’m genuinely frustrated that in a game where I have posted perhaps 25% of the game (don’t quote me on it) and am trying my best to interact with every player to try to guage their alignment, I’m being pushed on Day 1. People agree with my reads on Somnus and Cat Scratch Fever, yet aren’t respecting their tr’s on me. I genuinely don’t understand what players outside of Somnus, Cat Scratch Fever, and LicketyQuickety are doing. Andante disappears for a couple of days, pops in with two random reads on Progo and Malcolm (?), drops a vote on me, and asks why they’re being called out for their terrible interaction with LicketyQuickety on page 6 (somewhere around there). StrangeMatter would rather read afks and lurkers than the active posters who are having conflicts or clashes and refuses to listen. Malcolm afk’ed the first ten pages and now drops in with a vote on me for reasons that I can´t comprehend, while making reads synonymous to rng.org. Pale Ale Dog sheeps everything Cat Scratch Fever and LIcketyQuickety said, and then dropped off of the radar.
To be fair, I would be frustrated as mafia as well, after posting so much. But I am even more pissed as town, mainly because I am willing to put in the time and effort to talk to each and every player, to try to push on people to see how they react and to check their alignment, the time and effort to post daily explaining things or questioning things, to make reads with little caution of being wrong in order to progress the game, the time and effort that some people in this game are unable or unwilling to put in, and I´m on the chopping block for Day 1?
What´s the plan after I flip town? Or since Progo apparently didn´t slip, whatś the plan if I flip town? Cat Scratch Fever is dying, and if the read on LicketyQuickety, the game is just lost. I love Somnus and he´s locktown and all, but he seems more inclined to follow others. Malcolm and Andante have both shown intent to come back and post, but when it hasn´t happened, I´m not hoping for anything. StrangeMatter would rather read the people who aren´t even here, so that´s not going to lead to anything, and Pale Ale Dog is awaiting replacement.
Look back to Day 1, and think about how most of the ¨information¨ has been attained. If I get limmed, once I roll mafia in the future, I´m just going to be useless, not post at all, and when Iḿ prodded, roll something on rng.org and make some ¨reads¨ and go back to doing whatever I was doing before that MS game.
I am genuinely frustrated, angry, and disappointed in this game. At the fact that I am a possible lim on D1, but not because I might be limmed; if CSF is voting me, or Somnus is voting me, or even if LicketyQuickety is voting me, I respect that there´s a reason they are and I did something wrong. But when my bw is full of people who haven´t been playing the game, who have made essentially useless and irrelevant reads, when I have been trying my goddamn best to make reads and help other players make valuable reads by talking to everyone and trying to understand various perspectives, while questioning others.
If people continue to vote me for irrational and frankly stupid reasoning, I´m not posting my sr paragraphs. Consider this a tantrum or a threat if you want. I don´t give a shit. I am done trying my best when others clearly aren´t, and just want an easy lim. If other people aren´t willing to play properly, I´m not going to either.
Again, I´m not mad at all at the possibily of me being limmed. Cat Scratch Fever found a game I omitted; that´s a red flag. LicketyQuickety pointed out what looks like TMI; that´s a red flag. Somnus pointed out the possibility that I might be buddying them; that´s a reg flag. But frankly, Andante, Malcolm, and even possibly Progo (maybe even StrangeMatter as well), the only word that can describe your reasons is the word ¨stupid¨.
Thanks for coming to my TedTalk. I´ll now be playing reactively and only respond when someone asks me a question or when it´s absolutely necessary, because apparently that´s towny, and I want to become a better town. Bye.
I have the honor to be,
Your Obedient Servant.
A.hri
