furtiveglance wrote:In post 1019, BigTerp wrote:
Val/Mala is unlikely. Even at ELO with 2 mafia remaining, I wouldn't find it crazy that mafia would have their vote on their partner. Starting the wagon though? Seems pretty bold. Val also started with the first vote on Mala day 3. They both bussed each other the remainder of day 3. I can't imagine a scum team doing this. Also, the below. scum!Mala would have a much easier time getting a miselim on Furtive than Val here. So why risk voting your partner here?
This paragraph is full of inaccuracies. You're either misremembering the events of yesterday or pushing an agenda. It's hard to tell which, but either way you should be more careful with the truth.
Look at Malakittens' 775 at the start of day 3. They have you/me as the scumteam. This makes perfect sense in a Val/Mala world. They then voted for me for about 4 hours. Neither of us posted during this time. TistDaniel then arrives with 849. Val is his biggest scumread by far. At this point, it's clear that Val will be the elimination. At Elo, town always votes with the confirmed. Then in 872 Malakittens votes for Val.
To argue that Malakittens led on Val is true IF you look at only vote counts. But it's basic strategy to vote with the confirmed player at Elo, so as soon as TistDaniel called the scumread on Val, he was a goner.curacies. You're either misremembering the events of yesterday or pushing an agenda. It's hard to tell which, but either way you should be more careful with the truth. Look at Malakittens' 775 at the start of day 3. They have you/me as the scumteam. This makes perfect sense in a Val/Mala world. They then voted for me for about 4 hours. Neither of us posted during this time. TistDaniel then arrives with 849. Val is his biggest scumread by far. At this point, it's clear that Val will be the elimination. At Elo, town always votes with the confirmed. Then in 872 Malakittens votes for Val.To argue that Malakittens led on Val is true IF you look at only vote counts. But it's basic strategy to vote with the confirmed player at Elo, so as soon as TistDaniel called the scumread on Val, he was a goner.
That's my point though. Mala started the voting on Val. Agreed that it was after Daniel called out Val as scum, but it was also after Val voted Mala. As Mala stated Val started pushing them hard after Mala pushed Furtive. That makes WAY more sense from a Val/Furtive team than it does a Mala/Val team. Also, as I've already pointed out, Mala would've had an easier time running Furtive up since I was adamant on not voting Val day 3 and had Furtive as my #2. Mala knew I wasn't voting Val, and Val was obviously not either. That only left you. Why would scum!Mala risk town!Furtive comming in and hammering Val, when they could've voted Furtive and had a much easier time convincing myself to vote with them? Then it's simply Val coming behind me to hammer and win the game. I would at least expect a decent try there before letting Val hang at E-1 for so long. I'm not misremembering anything nor is there any inaccuracies in my post and if there is any agenda I'm pushing it's that a Val/Furtive scum team makes WAY more sense than a Val/Mala scum team.
I do not agree with "it's basic strategy to vote with the confirmed player at ELO". Take their reads/thoughts more seriously than others, sure. But to blindly vote along with the confirmed town is a lazy way for a town player to play. Just because they are confirmed town doesn't mean their reads are correct. Italiano had bad reads as well as Aspho. I fought against Daniel's read on Val up until you came in and confirmed them scum. So, Daniel's ended up being correct, but you should see my point here.
furtiveglance wrote:I don't like the way you're talking about Malakittens' vote on me. It doesn't rule out you/Val, because that logic assumes a world where we're always available. If you weren't near a device for that time, bad luck. So I'm ignoring that argument. As for how I feel about you specifically right now, I'm conflicted. You've played a very steady and reasonable game - compared to Malakittens' voting antics yesterday - and also maintained posting level throughout, whereas Malakittens has really stepped it up since the start of Day 3. But right now you're doing a lot of logical gymnastics, going back and forth on reads, and seem to be itching to vote at Elo. It just doesn't seem in line with your character so far this game.
It is what it is. I saw the vote and it immediately brought some suspicion from me on Mala. I usually check in during the evening, but being on mobile it's a pain to keep up and post. I already explained how I find it difficult for a scum team to miss a 4 hour window to come on and hammer though. There isn't any evidence of us being on at the same time, so I cannot disagree with you ignoring that argument. I am ready to vote at ELO. I'm convinced you're scum and don't want you to have the opportunity to plant seeds of doubt with Mala and eventually convince them to vote me with you. And I can see you've already started with that.
furtiveglance wrote:I came on and didn't hammer because I didn't see the voting. I literally saw that pages had been added and didn't read any. Then when I went to post later the thread was locked. As for the bolded sentence - I stated above that bussing is a near certainty at Elo - if the scumteam openly pairs they look horribly exposed. Besides, as soon as the conftown stated intent to vote Val, he was gone. That's what you should be realising if you're town. The fact this hasn't occured to you is very questionable indeed.
I'm calling BS on this one. You seem like a good player at this game who is typically in tune with what is going on and wouldn't just come on to check in without being aware of the vote count. Again, I don't expect anyone to blindly follow the conformed town vote, ESPECIALLY at ELO when the game is on the line. I've already explained, several times, why I think Mala's vote on Val shows that they are much less likely the scum partner than yourself. Keep planting those seeds of doubt though.
