Newbie 2095 | Game over

[hutmeil]

Let's start this off.

VOTE: Whiskey

Why?

[hutmeil]

I guess since this is Day 1, all the current votes are senseless.

My notes:

Alianna
- was informed that furtiveglance is Town?? (Mason or Friendly Neighbor?)
- asks who wants to be nightkilled (sus)

[hutmeil]

How long has everyone been playing? Outta curiosity

I used to play a lot but it’s probably been about ~3 years since I did last. My home website went the way of the dodo sadly

Played ages ago but not here, but thru email threads.

[hutmeil]

Alright, let's start talking.

I guess since this is Day 1, all the current votes are senseless.

My notes:

Alianna
- was informed that furtiveglance is Town?? (Mason or Friendly Neighbor?)
- asks who wants to be nightkilled (sus)

hutmeil

, what do you make of

Alianna

's claim from post 11?

I'm neutral on this since we don't have much info.

[hutmeil]

@hutmeil

Mind getting an avatar?

Okay I'll try to find one.

[hutmeil]

I guess since this is Day 1, all the current votes are senseless.

My notes:

Alianna
- was informed that furtiveglance is Town?? (Mason or Friendly Neighbor?)
- asks who wants to be nightkilled (sus)

Well this is just a disgusting post to start off the game.

Oh really now?

VOTE: takotsubo syndrome

My notes:

Alianna
- was informed that furtiveglance is Town?? (Mason or Friendly Neighbor?)
- asks who wants to be nightkilled (sus)

takotsubo syndrome
- planting seeds of doubt (sus)

Roden
- senseless vote on me (sus)

[hutmeil]

hutmeil seems Elim Bait ish to me but I am bothered by how they assumed Alianna meant a Town role in her post 11. Can you talk about that

@hutmeil

?

Dislike Roden hedging on that wagon more though

VOTE: Roden

Well, according to Alianna, she was "informed" that furtiveglance is Town. That could mean several things:
- Alianna is a Mason, so it was the mod that "informed" her
- Alianna is FN, which is not likely since we started with Day 1 and not Night 1. She can only be informed after Night 1 (if I'm right).

Based on above, she's likely Mason (assuming she's Town). So that means, we're either setup Col A Row 3 or Col C Row 3.

Right now, I'm not inclined to vote either of them because if both of them are Town, then the other will die on Night 1. So that's 2 Towns in a row. I'd rather vote someone who like to bandwagon like:

UNVOTE: takotsubo syndrome

VOTE: Roden

If Roden, turns out scum, then I'd say takotsubo is scum too since they're the ones who started the bandwagon on me.

On another note, sorry about my late replies. I'm from GMT +8 so most probably not same timezone as you guys.

[hutmeil]

You do realize how anti-town this conversation is right now?

I just really hope you are scum thats fishing for reactions right now, but at least if you are town you will be learning a good experience for the future to never really point out stuff like this and drag it on because it helps scum aid in finding who the PR's are based on reactions.

I respectfully disagree. Town is at a disadvantage because of lack of information. One of the most logical ways to counter this is to bring information to the forefront. Sometimes this means role revealing if it has to come to that. But right now since it's still Day 1 we don't have to do so.

Has everyone sounded off already?

[hutmeil]

hutmeil seems Elim Bait ish to me but I am bothered by how they assumed Alianna meant a Town role in her post 11. Can you talk about that

@hutmeil

?

Dislike Roden hedging on that wagon more though

VOTE: Roden

Well, according to Alianna, she was "informed" that furtiveglance is Town. That could mean several things:
- Alianna is a Mason, so it was the mod that "informed" her
- Alianna is FN, which is not likely since we started with Day 1 and not Night 1. She can only be informed after Night 1 (if I'm right).

Based on above, she's likely Mason (assuming she's Town). So that means, we're either setup Col A Row 3 or Col C Row 3.

Right now, I'm not inclined to vote either of them because if both of them are Town, then the other will die on Night 1. So that's 2 Towns in a row. I'd rather vote someone who like to bandwagon like:

UNVOTE: takotsubo syndrome

VOTE: Roden

If Roden, turns out scum, then I'd say takotsubo is scum too since they're the ones who started the bandwagon on me.

On another note, sorry about my late replies. I'm from GMT +8 so most probably not same timezone as you guys.

Neither Mason nor FN work in this way. Alianna was joking that she is mafia. I like your notes though

Please enlighten me on how these roles work.

[hutmeil]

hutmeil, I think you're probably town, but this discussion is anti-town, so I'll clarify these and we'll leave it at that.

You do realize how anti-town this conversation is right now?

I just really hope you are scum thats fishing for reactions right now, but at least if you are town you will be learning a good experience for the future to never really point out stuff like this and drag it on because it helps scum aid in finding who the PR's are based on reactions.

I respectfully disagree. Town is at a disadvantage because of lack of information. One of the most logical ways to counter this is to bring information to the forefront. Sometimes this means role revealing if it has to come to that. But right now since it's still Day 1 we don't have to do so.

Has everyone sounded off already?

Role revealing is generally only a good idea if you're at E-1 with intent to hammer, there's a massclaim, or you have crucial information (like a cop guilty). Otherwise, it's anti-town to discuss roles.

hutmeil seems Elim Bait ish to me but I am bothered by how they assumed Alianna meant a Town role in her post 11. Can you talk about that

@hutmeil

?

Dislike Roden hedging on that wagon more though

VOTE: Roden

Well, according to Alianna, she was "informed" that furtiveglance is Town. That could mean several things:
- Alianna is a Mason, so it was the mod that "informed" her
- Alianna is FN, which is not likely since we started with Day 1 and not Night 1. She can only be informed after Night 1 (if I'm right).

Based on above, she's likely Mason (assuming she's Town). So that means, we're either setup Col A Row 3 or Col C Row 3.

Right now, I'm not inclined to vote either of them because if both of them are Town, then the other will die on Night 1. So that's 2 Towns in a row. I'd rather vote someone who like to bandwagon like:

UNVOTE: takotsubo syndrome

VOTE: Roden

If Roden, turns out scum, then I'd say takotsubo is scum too since they're the ones who started the bandwagon on me.

On another note, sorry about my late replies. I'm from GMT +8 so most probably not same timezone as you guys.

Neither Mason nor FN work in this way. Alianna was joking that she is mafia. I like your notes though

Please enlighten me on how these roles work.

Masons - are confirmed as town to each other and share a PT.
FN - targets one player each night, the targeted player is informed that the FN is town.

If it still isn't clear, you can read the sample role PMs in 2.
And now I would like to cease the role discussion.

Interesting.

Thanks for the role infos, that's exactly how I understood them.

My vote stays.

[hutmeil]

I saw that, I mean what was their actual experience playing the game.

Hmmm not sure exactly what you're asking but I played via email as I've said and that was like more than a decade ago. I guess I have 10-15 games under my belt.

[hutmeil]

Prodding hutmeil.

I'm here! Just got busy with work and life lol

[hutmeil]

Does anyone have a TLDR? lol

Anyway, I'm still learning how to use the forum, especially the ISO (cool). Will ISO then probably post again later.

[hutmeil]

Since no one's counter-claiming as of now.

UNVOTE: Roden

Right now, I'd rather vote the lurkers - Tidus and 72off.

Well you could make a case that I'm lurking but all these "heated" discussions has me in the middle of it so I've done my part

[hutmeil]

Here's my readslist as you guys call it. It's not comprehensive as some of you did, just how I feel about each one at this point in time.

hutmeil

For obvious reasons.

Alianna

Townie tone for me.

Malakittens

Same as above. Said I should be eliminated early in the game. Ouch . I agree though which makes him townie to me.

Roden

This one's not a popular opinion. At first, I found him scummy because of his bandwagon vote on me. But his posts makes sense to me as time goes by. However, it makes too much sense so it could be scum trying hard to look like town.

No one's counterclaiming so he could be really the cop. I hope there's a doc in this setup if he's really town.

Greeting

For an SE, I find that she has few posts and more questions posted.

whiskey delta

I like how he generates discussion. But something is off and I can't put my finger on it.

furtiveglance

Same as above. I don't like how he "likes" my notes. My anti-town notes are not to be liked.

Tidus of the X

Lurker. In the olden days, we vote lurkers on day 1 haha.

72offsuit

Lurker. Read above.

[hutmeil]

After quick-reading pages 11-15, I'm inclined to either vote for:

Tidus/72off (lurkers)

or

Furtive (in my scummy list plus being pushed by PR)

Has anyone counter-claimed yet? I haven't checked in detail. Once he's confirmed cop, I'll most probably vote for Furtive since we got more info from him being eliminated than the lurkers.

I find it interesting though that 72off suddenly came to life this past few pages after getting a vote.

[hutmeil]

There's about 1 day to go. I don't like hutmeil's recent posting at all. Alianna isn't really giving me town vibes either.

What don't you like about my post?

It changed. Reads change. I know you think that's scummy, but I'm trying to keep you updated as best I can. I thought hutmeil was newbtown but no longer think so. They aren't talking like a noob, and it unnerves me.

Well I'm both. I'm sort of not newbtown because I have played before. I'm newbtown as well since it's been a long time and am trying to get my feet wet again. Fun fact (if I counted right), both you and Whiskey have voted 5 times each. Not that it means your scum, but certainly is scummy.

At this point, no one has CC'd so Roden is conftown. I didn't meta him (no time for this), but his play throughout the game seems towny to me as time progresses. As for FG, he keeps on trying to bandwagon and create new bandwagons (me and Alianna). I TR Alianna and I know I am Town. My gut feels says you are scum. I'm also keeping my word that once Roden has been conftown that I'm voting for you.

Having said that,

VOTE: Furtive

After quick-reading pages 11-15, I'm inclined to either vote for:

Tidus/72off (lurkers)

or

Furtive (in my scummy list plus being pushed by PR)

Has anyone counter-claimed yet? I haven't checked in detail. Once he's confirmed cop, I'll most probably vote for Furtive since we got more info from him being eliminated than the lurkers.

I find it interesting though that 72off suddenly came to life this past few pages after getting a vote.

Scummy.
Instead of interacting with my posts and the content in them, keeps me lumped in with tidus as a lurker and also actively discouraging town from posting by shading me for being active.

My bad, but I hated that you lurked in the beginning especially that you are an SE. And I'm not shading you for being active - the opposite. I'm shading you for being inactive before. Reason is scum would want to keep out of the limelight by not being so active but active enough to not get called out. At least that's one of the strategies to being scum. So for now, Tidus is the only one in my lurkers list. However, I'm still keeping my eye on you.

[hutmeil]

Votes are a tool to gather information and should be used accordingly.

Exactly. I'm using your voting history and find that you flip a lot. Just an FoS.

[hutmeil]

“Reason is scum would want to keep out of the limelight by not being so active but active enough to not get called out”

Wasn’t 72 called out for being inactive though? Isn’t that the entire reason they were even considered for elim? Your theory and stance don’t jive.

What doesn't jive? My theory is scum doesn't want to be the focus of attention. 72off wasn't the focus of attention. That's why he was scummy to me. Note the past tense. Now that he's active, he's less scummy to me since he no longer fits my theory but then again, if 72off is scum and he's outed for it, he has no choice but to be active. So that's scummy too. For now, he's in my scummy list but not as scummy as you and FG.

[hutmeil]

Checking in. Will post later.

[hutmeil]

Greeting fits that “active enough to not raise suspicion but still under the radar” description better imo.

They are either playing a super clean (albeit thus far incorrect) Town game or they are just scum and staying above the fray but still landing on wagons. Their interactions have been fairly minimal. The way they pop in, make a few reads, ask a few questions, drop a vote, and then are gone again is really unsettling to me.

I agree with this.

Roden

- (whiskey delta), hutmeil, Greeting,

FG

, Alianna

furtiveglance

-

Roden

, hutmeil, Greeting, Alianna, WD

There's at least one scum between hutmeil, Greeting, Alianna, and me. The alternative means both scum are within Tidus, malakittens, and 72.

Where does everyone stand on this? Do you think the scum are split between the two groups? Both in one group?

I don't really know. My scumdar was way off on Day 1. But if I have to rely on it again, it would be a combination of you (whiskey), Greeting, Tidus and 72off.

VOTE: hutmeil

Sorry

I was so tired that morning that I screwed up the formatting

I still want to lim hutmeil. I was giving him the benefit of the doubt but now I just want
Him dead so

Why do you want me dead so badly?

So the more I think about the game the more I think an Alianna elim makes the most sense today.

I can’t get over how she was E-2 and still the FG wagon eventually took the lead. That has to be significant. If all three major D1 wagons were Town then we’re in trouble. If Alianna is scum her partner has to be within Greeting/Hutmeil/Mala who all voted to save her over FG.

Thoughts?

That makes sense. However, you're on both wagons. You flipped from Alianna to FG. And you're the eliminating vote. Come to think of it, you're also on the Roden wagon.

[hutmeil]

Why not Alianna/Mala? Tidus did not vote on any of the wagons yesterday. Do you think that is more likely to be Town or scum?

As I will mention below, Aliana is my TR. I'm neutral on Mala but she seems town. As for Tidus, most of his posts are safe posts and he's lying low most of the time. So FoS. If he's strategy is to lie low, then he won't wagon as much as possible so as not to attract attention to himself.

This is true, as were you, and exactly why we are having this conversation. It's extremely unlikely there isn't at least one scum in those who were on both Roden and FG wagons.

I switched to FG to hammer after waiting until almost the last minute, and no one else was around to do it. If you reread the end of D1 you will see my preferred elim was Alianna. Would you rather I have not hammered in that situation?

That's partially true (which makes it false?). I voted for Roden (for bandwagoning) and Furtive (when Roden turned out TC). I never voted for Aliana and she's my TR. As for hammering, it's not really conclusive but of course it's in the scum's best interest for a mislynch. If time's running out and no one wants to do it, scum will very much be tempted to hammer.

(How do i quote only one part of a post)

Lol, same question. What I do is, copy the quote and use the quote button. It's a hassle but it is what it is.

[hutmeil]

So the more I think about the game the more I think an Alianna elim makes the most sense today.

I can’t get over how she was E-2 and still the FG wagon eventually took the lead. That has to be significant. If all three major D1 wagons were Town then we’re in trouble. If Alianna is scum her partner has to be within Greeting/Hutmeil/Mala who all voted to save her over FG.

Thoughts?

Re-read some posts. Are you going to unvote and vote for Alianna then?

[hutmeil]

I guess we r in C1.
Good ol fashion scumhunting from here on out

I don't see you posting and generating discussion to out scum. Just you voting on greeting without any given reason.

[hutmeil]

1) Can you elaborate why them seem Town to you? irt Tidus, consider that if he were scum that he would be in a PT with another player that could give him advice on how to play. To me he seems more like newbTown moving his way thru the dark.

2) I’m only talking about the Roden and FG wagons (which I was on twice technically). You covered why scum!WD would hammer. Why would town!WD?

3) It is a bit annoying lol. Look into BBCode

1) Aliana - She's my TR. But nothing is set in stone of course. Just the way she responded to my "anti-town" post on D1. But as you pointed out, VCA on her somewhat deducts points from her Towniness.

Mala - As I've mentioned already, I've no current read on the slot (neutral). Basically, anyone who disliked my "antitown" post on D1 either got a TR or a neutral reading from me. Almost everyone did except for you (WD) and FG.

2) Town!WD would because FG was scummy toward the end of D1. It was basically FG vs Roden at that point. When he turned out PR, FG was the obvious choice (in addition to him sounding scummy).

So the more I think about the game the more I think an Alianna elim makes the most sense today.

I can’t get over how she was E-2 and still the FG wagon eventually took the lead. That has to be significant. If all three major D1 wagons were Town then we’re in trouble. If Alianna is scum her partner has to be within Greeting/Hutmeil/Mala who all voted to save her over FG.

Thoughts?

Re-read some posts. Are you going to unvote and vote for Alianna then?

I’m still considering it. I’m also waiting to see what other people are going to say when they are caught up/not VLA. We have time

How does my theory affect your TR now that you’ve looked at it a second time?

Hmmmm, I want to actually wait for BBT first before I reanalyze. He's posted here and there but no solid arguments so far. Waiting for him to post after he's read everything. I hope it doesn't take long though, I think we only have less than 3 days left?

I can’t with you anymore.

See you post game ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Not going to base an entire scumread off this, but this feels really sketchy, as if they knew Roden was dying because no doc.

Oof I dig that

@Mala: You haven't answered why you want to lynch me.

[hutmeil]

@BlueBloodedToffee, can I can call you BBT for short? Have you caught up with all the posts?

[hutmeil]

I haven't read all of the posts yet, no. Trying to get some interactions going.

BBT is good.

What are your thoughts on Alianna and Whiskey?

Alianna - Right now, she's between Town and neutral to me.

Whiskey - Still scummy to me. Was in my scummy list on D1. Was in Roden's list too. Not sure if he's the best candidate for D2 lynch though.

My issue right now with Hutmeil is his playstyle seemed to do a complete 180 overnight. He went from playing like legit newbscum to different in a way that's just bothering me.

D1 was spent fishing for information IMO.

So that's why you're voting for me? Okay, makes sense. I would vote for me too I guess. But then again, it was D1, a newb game and I wanted to see how everyone reacts to an anti-town post. Just trying to feel how the game plays out on this site.

I mean, it seems as if the anti-town posting was a reaction test.

It definitely was. It was D1 and it's a vanilla game so not much info to go around. First time here, so might as well shake things up to see how everyone rolls.

As far as Ali and FG which is points that Hutmeil brought up that they were partners because of the page 1&2 antics if you have ever been in the last two dead threads that I modded that’s them in a nutshell. It’s more of an NAI.

I don't remember making this point?

I still got a null read on 72.

I also do like BBT’s posts but idk if that’s just because I miss playing with BbT or it’s an actual read feeling

BBT is 72's replacement. 72 was lurking but BBT is very active. Change of strategy? Or maybe 72off was just too busy (which got him replaced)? Since 72 and BBT's slots are basically the same, I'll remove the slot from the lurkers list (personal note). So that leaves Tidus as the only lurker though I don't see Greeting as much as too.

[hutmeil]

To answer your question, BBT, I probably won't be voting whiskey, but I could be persuaded. I'd like to hear why

you

want to eliminate them so badly.

I don't. I want to eliminate you now.

Other than her alignment, what information do we stand to gain with her elim?

[hutmeil]

You don't elim for information.

You elim because you think someone is scum.

That's partially true. You vote for someone scummy to you. Once the slot flips town/scum, that's where you get more info - how those lynched players interacted with other players, how the VCA went, etc... Much like what you said on 595

Why is Alianna a town read for you?

I'm not fully sold on this. I'm just basing it on how her posts are not of a scummy nature (i.e. she's not aggressively pushing anyone to be lynched). But then again, it might be her scum strat so there's that. Speaking of Alianna, you wanted to elim WD at first then suddenly turned on Alianna, why the change of heart?

VOTE: Whiskey

^ I'm sticking to my guns here. I found him scummy on D1. When everyone disliked my anti-town posts, he didn't do so - 67, 129, 191. It feels like he's protecting me (whiteknighting?) I don't like his wagoning on D1 (how he jumped from wagon to wagon). Fresh eyes (BBT) found him scummy.

[hutmeil]

I did find him scummy. But his pages 16 and 17 were decent, I disliked his posting after this again though. Specifically, where he towns himself.

You've basically just said Alianna is not scum hunting and so you town read her. That's insane.

She sits in the sweet spot for just active enough to not be questioned but not too active where she doesn't appear to be doing anything and is easily spotted.

ISO her and see if you can see any scum hunting.

Hmmm, well mostly one or two liners. But she has some posts where she looks like she's scumhunting. But at this point, I'm curious as everyone else on how Alianna flips.

Ugh. I want hutmeil dead

But intent to hammer.

I understand why, but big mistake there.

[hutmeil]

Hutmeil, you need to hammer Alianna.

She isn't scum hunting.

Mala said he'll hammer?

[hutmeil]

You don't want to?

Hmmm, how can I hammer someone in my TR-neutral list. My conscience is holding me back lol. You make a good point though that she's not scumhunting hard enough.

But if Mala is purposely delaying, I guess I'll hammer. How many hours are there left?

[hutmeil]

Just realized, I'm not using my timezone time in this forum. Let me change my settings.

[hutmeil]

Weird, the date/time is wrong both on my laptop and tablet. Anyway, I think we still have more than a day (if my calculations are right). If Mala doesn't do it by my noon tomorrow, I'll do it.

[hutmeil]

But I'd really like to hear from Alianna. Why are you not scumhunting? Who is on your town/scum list now?

[hutmeil]

Found the culprit, tablet - not logged in. Also DST was set to Yes. Just posting in case someone else has the same issue

[hutmeil]

I will push through with my WD vote. But I want to hear from everyone first.

Think about this. WD is on both Town (mis)lynches from D1 to D2. Same with Greeting.

D1 - furtiveglance (5): Roden,

Greeting

, hutmeil, Alianna,

whiskey delta

D2 - Alianna (4): BlueBloodedToffee,

Greeting, whiskey delta

, Malakittens

WD has been moving from wagon to wagon both days as I've said earlier. He's been on my scum list since D1.

How long has everyone been playing? Outta curiosity

I used to play a lot but it’s probably been about ~3 years since I did last. My home website went the way of the dodo sadly

WD asked this early in the game. I believe, scum strategy was to elim the strongest players first.

As for Greeting, she's been in my neutral list for a while. However, she's been posting safely so she fits my "not being so active but active enough to not get called out” theory. She also on both mislynch wagons so she's shifted to my SR. Meta-wise, I think mod would want at least one SE on the scum side. The other 2 SEs are dead, so that leaves only her.

[hutmeil]

I'm 100% on WD. If Greeting is not WD's partner though, I'd say it's Tidus. Why? Because Tidus also fits my "not being so active but active enough to not get called out” theory. He's been on my lurker list for a long time. And he has no meaningful contribution to the game but hasn't been called out for a long time (ISO him and see).

[hutmeil]

“I think mod would want at least one SE on the scum side”

That’s not how role assignments work (or they shouldn’t). It’s supposed to be random.

I disagree. This is a newbie game. If all 3 SEs are Town, scum would be at a great disadvantage which is not good for the game. If I were the mod, I'd want to keep the game balanced and not lopsided. Are you trying to save Greeting?

[hutmeil]

“I think mod would want at least one SE on the scum side”

That’s not how role assignments work (or they shouldn’t). It’s supposed to be random.

I disagree. This is a newbie game. If all 3 SEs are Town, scum would be at a great disadvantage which is not good for the game. If I were the mod, I'd want to keep the game balanced and not lopsided. Are you trying to save Greeting?

As someone who has hosted a game on MafiaScum, I can assure you that all draws are random and must be randomised in accordance with sitewide guidelines. Hosts are held accountable for their games by the moderation team, and Newbie games hosts have higher requirements than hosts for other games, because these games are meant to provide a very standardised experience for new players to learn from.

What I am thinking as of this moment is that either

Malakittens

has been pulling the strings for most of the game and I have allowed myself to be pocket her with reciprocation or that we have two Newbies, like any pairing from {

Tidus of the X

, yourself,

whiskey delta

} who are kicking ass. And to be fair, I do not think one is more likely than the other.

Okay, read the pages. I'll give you that.

I will push through with my WD vote. But I want to hear from everyone first.

Think about this. WD is on both Town (mis)lynches from D1 to D2. Same with Greeting.

D1 - furtiveglance (5): Roden,

Greeting

, hutmeil, Alianna,

whiskey delta

D2 - Alianna (4): BlueBloodedToffee,

Greeting, whiskey delta

, Malakittens

WD has been moving from wagon to wagon both days as I've said earlier. He's been on my scum list since D1.

How long has everyone been playing? Outta curiosity

I used to play a lot but it’s probably been about ~3 years since I did last. My home website went the way of the dodo sadly

WD asked this early in the game. I believe, scum strategy was to elim the strongest players first.

As for Greeting, she's been in my neutral list for a while. However, she's been posting safely so she fits my "not being so active but active enough to not get called out” theory. She also on both mislynch wagons so she's shifted to my SR. Meta-wise, I think mod would want at least one SE on the scum side. The other 2 SEs are dead, so that leaves only her.

My vote history is bad and there's no use of me denying it. My performance in this game has been below my own expectations. Sorry, team.

But, if you take a more detailed look than at just the final vote tallies, you'll find this post:

You don't want to?

Hmmm, how can I hammer someone in my TR-neutral list. My conscience is holding me back lol. You make a good point though that she's not scumhunting hard enough.

But if Mala is purposely delaying, I guess I'll hammer.

How many hours are there left?

You were just as much willing to hammer

Alianna

, just

Malakittens

beat you to it. And if you did hammer instead of

Malakittens

, the list would include not just me and

whiskey delta

, but yourself as well. But you conveniently left that out, didn't you? I guess now you could be explaining that you didn't really mean to hammer

Alianna

, but I'm not sure if anyone is buying it.

Sure, I could have hammered Ali too. But if you read my D1 to D2 posts, I never waivered on my Ali!Town to Ali!Neutral read. I even said my conscience was bothered to hammer her. In other words I was hesitant to do so unlike you who was determined to do so.

Hutmeil

Really needs to go

Can I at least get my one lim please?

I been on my game lately in general with reads

If that's your statement then your read is off real bad.

“I think mod would want at least one SE on the scum side”

That’s not how role assignments work (or they shouldn’t). It’s supposed to be random.

I disagree. This is a newbie game. If all 3 SEs are Town, scum would be at a great disadvantage which is not good for the game. If I were the mod, I'd want to keep the game balanced and not lopsided. Are you trying to save Greeting?

As Greeting already clarified, this simply isn’t a thing. How does that affect your read now?

Well, that's not the only basis for my SR on her. But sure it softens my SR on her a bit.

So what's everyone's thoughts on who should be eliminated today? I would want to eliminate either hutmeil or WD today.

Can you state your reasons why?

You and hutmeil have both been scumread by many people all game IIRC(yes, I know that's dependent on other's reads, but I currently have trouble scumreading and townreading people, just check out my short life in newbie 2094)

I think I have also seen some scumminess in a few of your posts earlier in the game too WD, I would prefer eliminating you today over hutmeil

Let's vote without voting:

WD - Hutmeil, Tidus
Hutmeil - Mala

@Greeting, @WD: Who do you want to vote for at this point?

[hutmeil]

^^^ should add that hutmeil doesn’t seem at all bothered for being SR by the same player all game.

Mala is neutral because why?

I've already answered this here => 571.

hutmeil

- follow-up.
Please note that for the duration of all of Day 1 and Day 2 there was virtually no interaction between

whiskey delta

and

hutmeil

. To me this looks like both of them were distancing from one another so that we could not find any connection between them. It does make sense and is a pretty valid strategy as scum.

No interaction? What do you call this => 90, 447, 450, 507, 526, 571, etc... Not only was I actively interacting with him, I found him scummy since D1.

I guess you're trying to plant seeds of doubt here since I caught you and WD.

I also have a read on

hutmeil

's part which seems to be proving this theory. In 260, I noted his nullread of me as caused by me asking supposedly too much questions, while he didn't seem to notice the same thing about

whiskey delta

. And here's the read on

whiskey delta

:

whiskey delta

I like how he generates discussion. But something is off and I can't put my finger on it.

What was I doing asking questions if not generating discussion? And what was

whiskey delta

doing that supposedly worried him? Does not make sense. Looks like a slip.

I've already answered this too before. While everyone was grilling me for my "anti-town" posts on D1, WD was not doing this. That in itself raised a red flag. Also, while D1 was basically Roden vs FG, it could arguably also be Roden vs WD based on their activity and the "hostility" that was generated between them. So he's scummy for pushing Roden to the point of elim.

Other than that, I've already pointed out his bandwagoning habits which I'm pretty sure everyone is aware of at this point.

Another thing, who brought up the voting history right now? His partner,

hutmeil

, in 692. And, as I pointed out in 699, this was a double-edged sword, because

hutmeil

's voting record looks less bad only on paper.

Again, you were determined to eliminate Ali. I was not. See 706

I am town, I believe

Malakittens

is town, plus she doesn't seem aligned with either

WD

nor especially

hutmeil

whom she's been gunning after since the beginning of time. So the pool has got to be {

whiskey delta

,

hutmeil

,

Tidus of the x

}. And I think both

WD

and

hutmeil

know they're time is up, and they are gunning against each other to make the other one look cleaner Day 4.

Do not be fooled by this.

I am pretty much sold on this solve, so I will not hesitate to cast an actual vote. Do not follow me on this too easily,

WD

needs to be given a chance to explain himself and respond to this post.

VOTE: whiskey delta

VOTE: hutmeil

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

I can say the same thing about you. You're voting for your partner WD, so you'll look cleaner on Day 4. I on the other hand have SRd WD since D1.

[hutmeil]

VOTE: hutmeil

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

LOL. Old scum habits die hard.

VOTE: Whiskey

[hutmeil]

First of all, GG Mafia! My record is now 0/1 lol!

VOTE: Whiskey
gg and gn.

Oh man, I really thought you were scum! Scumdar still broken!

At least I know I'm still terrible at this game. Fuck.
Why the fuck was I killed?

Was surprised and not at the same time at this. As already mentioned, you were very intimidating this game and I thought you had something right that's why they NKd you. If ever WD turned out scum, I was ready to use your not-scumhunting-is-scum theory on D4 which ironically would have TRd Greeting for me hahahaha.

Second one was that the only player who caught on to this was

hutmeil

, and, while he was absolutely correct pointing it out, he lacked the influence to make town look into it.

Yup I lacked Towniness. I guess my D1 gamble didn't work. But if Roden didn't go down N1, I guess, town might have won still.

But yeah too many coasters. Initially 72/Tidus/Mala didn't really do enough to be town or mafia, if town were more active then coasters would get voted more.

This ^ . D1 should be about eliminating lurkers lol!