Newbie 2095 | Game over

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Oh cool the game started!!! I put an exclamation mark to mirror Alianna and make them subconsciously townread me.

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Oh cool the game started!!! I put an exclamation mark to mirror Alianna and make them subconsciously townread me.

There was no need, I'm already informed you're town.

That's massive.

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How long has everyone been playing? Outta curiosity

I used to play a lot but it’s probably been about ~3 years since I did last. My home website went the way of the dodo sadly

I've been playing for a few months here.

Here are my completed town games: viewtopic.php?f=11&t=88666, viewtopic.php?f=11&t=89004, viewtopic.php?f=11&t=89124

And my completed scum games: viewtopic.php?f=51&t=89137, viewtopic.php?f=11&t=89296

So far I've won 1/5 completed games

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I've been playing for a few months here.

Here are my completed town games: viewtopic.php?f=11&t=88666, viewtopic.php?f=11&t=89004, viewtopic.php?f=11&t=89124

And my completed scum games: viewtopic.php?f=51&t=89137, viewtopic.php?f=11&t=89296

So far I've won 1/5 completed games

I'll be honest. I'm probably not going to read your past games unless I really, really have to thank you for providing them though.

Mafia can be hard did you win as a wolf or town?

Town, Newbie 2090. I think these games heavily depend on how many PR die early.

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How long has everyone been playing? Outta curiosity

I used to play a lot but it’s probably been about ~3 years since I did last. My home website went the way of the dodo sadly

A little over a year, but the last time I played in the newbie queue was back in September.

Did I see you fakeclaim Tracker in a game?

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Town, Newbie 2090. I think these games heavily depend on how many PR die early.

I don’t disagree but I would add vanilla games do exist so it’s not impossible for Town to win without PRs. Generally speaking how would you describe the play here on MS?

It's pretty interesting, sometimes it can get bogged down in overanalysis of jokes/nothing comments etc but mostly good fun.

Towards the end of introductions people usually make 'readslists' ranking people from town to scum.

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How long has everyone been playing? Outta curiosity

I used to play a lot but it’s probably been about ~3 years since I did last. My home website went the way of the dodo sadly

A little over a year, but the last time I played in the newbie queue was back in September.

Did I see you fakeclaim Tracker in a game?

I did actually, in Newbie 2070.

Postgame got a bit heated in that one, LOL.

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These notes from hutmeil are very entertaining.

I'm gonna start beef with 72offsuit so you other people have something to talk about.

You like to rhyme, and commit crime (?).

VOTE: 72offsuit

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These notes from hutmeil are very entertaining.

I'm gonna start beef with 72offsuit so you other people have something to talk about.

You like to rhyme, and commit crime (?).

VOTE: 72offsuit

Is this like a late stage RVS vote? Cause your phrasing doesn’t make it seem like you think 72 is scum. Offhand but it is funny they voted you for not RVS voting originally

I don't really think they're scum or not think they're scum. Just doing something for the sake of it.

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I guess since this is Day 1, all the current votes are senseless.

My notes:

Alianna
- was informed that furtiveglance is Town?? (Mason or Friendly Neighbor?)
- asks who wants to be nightkilled (sus)

Well this is just a disgusting post to start off the game.

I don't like this....

I guess since this is Day 1, all the current votes are senseless.

My notes:

Alianna
- was informed that furtiveglance is Town?? (Mason or Friendly Neighbor?)
- asks who wants to be nightkilled (sus)

Well this is just a disgusting post to start off the game.

Disgusting? Sure. But is it scummy? Ehhh...I think newbscum tries harder to look townie. Pretty sure it was just meant to be a joke post since it was during RVS.

Then again, they disappeared afterward. I understand that not much is going on right now, but it's been almost three days since their last post. Let's get some pressure going, maybe?

VOTE: Hutmeil

.....Or this.

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hutmeil seems Elim Bait ish to me but I am bothered by how they assumed Alianna meant a Town role in her post 11. Can you talk about that

@hutmeil

?

Dislike Roden hedging on that wagon more though

VOTE: Roden

I like this take.

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I have early townleans on whiskey delta and hutmeil. I don't think anyone else has earned one yet.

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Hx = history

Ah.
Yes, furtive has actually been in all of my games thus far.

I'm fully aware.

Have you read all of those games? What do you think of us as players?

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You both are damn strong good players.

Did you see Open 850? LOL

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hutmeil seems Elim Bait ish to me but I am bothered by how they assumed Alianna meant a Town role in her post 11. Can you talk about that

@hutmeil

?

Dislike Roden hedging on that wagon more though

VOTE: Roden

Well, according to Alianna, she was "informed" that furtiveglance is Town. That could mean several things:
- Alianna is a Mason, so it was the mod that "informed" her
- Alianna is FN, which is not likely since we started with Day 1 and not Night 1. She can only be informed after Night 1 (if I'm right).

Based on above, she's likely Mason (assuming she's Town). So that means, we're either setup Col A Row 3 or Col C Row 3.

Right now, I'm not inclined to vote either of them because if both of them are Town, then the other will die on Night 1. So that's 2 Towns in a row. I'd rather vote someone who like to bandwagon like:

UNVOTE: takotsubo syndrome

VOTE: Roden

If Roden, turns out scum, then I'd say takotsubo is scum too since they're the ones who started the bandwagon on me.

On another note, sorry about my late replies. I'm from GMT +8 so most probably not same timezone as you guys.

Neither Mason nor FN work in this way. Alianna was joking that she is mafia. I like your notes though

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I have early townleans on whiskey delta and hutmeil. I don't think anyone else has earned one yet.

Why

whiskey delta

?

I agreed about hutmeil. That's it pretty much

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79 is just mech talk and speculation, why does Alianna get a townread?

This is unfair. Townread ME even though I don't deserve it. D:<

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Some players love dismissing others as limbait town and really labouring the point as scum. I'm not accusing Alianna of doing this, it's just something I've seen before.

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VOTE: takotsubo syndrome

First meaningful vote of the game.

Sus

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Tone mostly. Bad vote on hutmeil.

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My bad.

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I confused them with Tidus of the X (honest).

VOTE: Tidus of the X

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I have early townleans on whiskey delta and hutmeil. I don't think anyone else has earned one yet.

Why

whiskey delta

?

I agreed about hutmeil. That's it pretty much

You mean you agree with

whiskey delta

's evaluation of

hutmeil

and that makes

whiskey delta

town? Why is that alignment indicative at all?

Yes, I don't really think that right=town is much of a fallacy. If I agree with what someone's saying about another player, I'll generally townread them for it.

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Sure.
I really wouldn't want to eliminate anyone at that point in the game because if I'm wrong, I'm wrong, and if I'm right, we don't have much for associatives.
But if I had to, probably Tidus. He's lurked a lot, and 110 was very low-effort and basically a restatement of what was already discussed.

VOTE: takotsubo syndrome

First meaningful vote of the game.

Sus

Tone mostly. Bad vote on hutmeil.

What's wrong with it? It's simply an RVS vote.

I'm sorry Tidus. What happened was I confused you with takotsubo syndrome and you somehow evolved into one player who sussed then voted hutmeil.

I should unvote and clear my thoughts.

UNVOTE: Tidus of the X

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Will Nashville Dreams be making a cameo? LOL

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I have early townreads on Alianna, Greeting, hutmeil, whiskey delta, 72offsuit. Is that too many townreads?

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I think it's safe to assume that giving scum info about town PRs was considered anti-town play even a decade ago.

Is this the part where you double down on your pressure vote and turn it into a scum case?

I’d be curious to your thoughts on the reasons hutmeil is being TR by others and where you stand on that

I'll have further things to say on Hutmeil when they respond and offer more content.

Hutmeil is getting town read because no one really wants to rock the boat in newbie games. It's easier to defend someone than attack them, it typically gets you town read and lessens attention on yourself compared to those who go on the offensive. People are going to criticize Hut's play but hesitate to vote there, since they're giving off the appearance of a clueless townie.

Regardless of Hutmeil's alignment, scum won't be pushing there and will almost certainly white knight the slot. If Hut is scum, their play is just there to obfuscate the game state and make it a slog to solve people. If they're town, they will get white knight'd extra hard, and scum will let them lead the charge on OMGUS counter wagons so that Hut will take the heat every time town gets flipped.

This is an interesting point. My initial response is that you earlier scumread Hutmeil and backed it up, but now seem to be acknowledging that they're townread. Do you now think they're town, or am I wrongly inferring that?

You say regardless of Hutmeil's alignment, but scum can only 'white knight' a town player, surely?

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I have early townreads on Alianna, Greeting, hutmeil, whiskey delta, 72offsuit. Is that too many townreads?

Can u elaborate on these reads, even if it's just one line each?

It's probably time for me to do the old 'readslist'.

Greeting

: My biggest townread (congrats!). Something about the tone, it's wary, and guarded, but it in a towny way. As if they're constantly on the lookout for mafia.

Malakittens

: Seems town to me, 177 is a good response with some interesting thoughts. Thanks for calling me a strong player, I'm gonna be very remorseful when you die!

hutmeil

: I kind of get newbtown vibes, as had been said by others. I'm enjoying the notes, long may they continue.

whiskey delta

: So far their reads are Alianna/72offsuit/Greeting town, and voting Roden. I understand why, and I think whiskey delta is town for now.

Alianna

: I don't think Alianna warrants a townread yet. I give townreads for analysis, not being bored by a slow game or talking mechanics.

72offsuit

: Hasn't said much, in the null range for me. I'm aware others townread them.

Tidus of the X

: Hasn't said that much, seems pretty low-key. I'd love to hear more thoughts, any posts that take his eye, or players he susses.

Roden

: Seems to be the consensus scumread early on, and I actually want to put the boot in even more (!). Roden is always banging on about what scum would do, what he's done as scum, his own scum 'meta' etc... what he said about hutmeil was suspicious in the extreme. It was just the constant 'regardless of hutmeil's alignment'.....I don't think speculation is as useful as direct opinion.

Any thoughts appreciated.

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I have early townreads on Alianna, Greeting, hutmeil, whiskey delta, 72offsuit. Is that too many townreads?

Can u elaborate on these reads, even if it's just one line each?

It's probably time for me to do the old 'readslist'.

Greeting

: My biggest townread (congrats!). Something about the tone, it's wary, and guarded, but it in a towny way. As if they're constantly on the lookout for mafia.

Malakittens

: Seems town to me, 177 is a good response with some interesting thoughts. Thanks for calling me a strong player, I'm gonna be very remorseful when you die!

hutmeil

: I kind of get newbtown vibes, as had been said by others. I'm enjoying the notes, long may they continue.

whiskey delta

: So far their reads are Alianna/72offsuit/Greeting town, and voting Roden. I understand why, and I think whiskey delta is town for now.

Alianna

: I don't think Alianna warrants a townread yet. I give townreads for analysis, not being bored by a slow game or talking mechanics.

72offsuit

: Hasn't said much, in the null range for me. I'm aware others townread them.

Tidus of the X

: Hasn't said that much, seems pretty low-key. I'd love to hear more thoughts, any posts that take his eye, or players he susses.

Roden

: Seems to be the consensus scumread early on, and I actually want to put the boot in even more (!). Roden is always banging on about what scum would do, what he's done as scum, his own scum 'meta' etc... what he said about hutmeil was suspicious in the extreme. It was just the constant 'regardless of hutmeil's alignment'.....I don't think speculation is as useful as direct opinion.

Any thoughts appreciated.

I only just recently said anything about meta...after someone else brought it up. This is a blatant misrep, but I'll give you time to correct yourself in case you were just mistaken.

Disgusting? Sure. But is it scummy? Ehhh...I think newbscum tries harder to look townie.

Regardless of Hutmeil's alignment, scum won't be pushing there and will almost certainly white knight the slot. If Hut is scum, their play is just there to obfuscate the game state and make it a slog to solve people. If they're town, they will get white knight'd extra hard, and scum will let them lead the charge on OMGUS counter wagons so that Hut will take the heat every time town gets flipped.

I say this having done that as scum. It's a consistently solid strategy to just play passively and town read volatile townies while town cannablizes itself for you.

Also, scum can white knight each other, because unless the town knows who the exact scum team is, no one can tell the difference between white knighting and defending a partner.

You agree that it isn't in my scum meta to go "guns blazing", yet you still voted me?

This is what I'm talking about Roden.

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I have early townreads on Alianna, Greeting, hutmeil, whiskey delta, 72offsuit. Is that too many townreads?

Can u elaborate on these reads, even if it's just one line each?

It's probably time for me to do the old 'readslist'.

Greeting

: My biggest townread (congrats!). Something about the tone, it's wary, and guarded, but it in a towny way. As if they're constantly on the lookout for mafia.

Malakittens

: Seems town to me, 177 is a good response with some interesting thoughts. Thanks for calling me a strong player, I'm gonna be very remorseful when you die!

hutmeil

: I kind of get newbtown vibes, as had been said by others. I'm enjoying the notes, long may they continue.

whiskey delta

: So far their reads are Alianna/72offsuit/Greeting town, and voting Roden. I understand why, and I think whiskey delta is town for now.

Alianna

: I don't think Alianna warrants a townread yet. I give townreads for analysis, not being bored by a slow game or talking mechanics.

72offsuit

: Hasn't said much, in the null range for me. I'm aware others townread them.

Tidus of the X

: Hasn't said that much, seems pretty low-key. I'd love to hear more thoughts, any posts that take his eye, or players he susses.

Roden

: Seems to be the consensus scumread early on, and I actually want to put the boot in even more (!). Roden is always banging on about what scum would do, what he's done as scum, his own scum 'meta' etc... what he said about hutmeil was suspicious in the extreme. It was just the constant 'regardless of hutmeil's alignment'.....I don't think speculation is as useful as direct opinion.

Any thoughts appreciated.

I only just recently said anything about meta...after someone else brought it up. This is a blatant misrep, but I'll give you time to correct yourself in case you were just mistaken.

Disgusting? Sure. But is it scummy? Ehhh...I think newbscum tries harder to look townie.

Regardless of Hutmeil's alignment, scum won't be pushing there and will almost certainly white knight the slot. If Hut is scum, their play is just there to obfuscate the game state and make it a slog to solve people. If they're town, they will get white knight'd extra hard, and scum will let them lead the charge on OMGUS counter wagons so that Hut will take the heat every time town gets flipped.

I say this having done that as scum. It's a consistently solid strategy to just play passively and town read volatile townies while town cannablizes itself for you.

Also, scum can white knight each other, because unless the town knows who the exact scum team is, no one can tell the difference between white knighting and defending a partner.

You agree that it isn't in my scum meta to go "guns blazing", yet you still voted me?

This is what I'm talking about Roden.

You're bringing up recent posts, like I said.

What is post 55 supposed to be?

It's all you looking at the game from mafia's POV, what scum would do etc.

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Furtive is likely scum, if Hutmeil is town then they're white knighting them. They never really gave a reason for why they town read them, at most just saying they like Hut's notes (which are notably anti-town). Early posts also pinged me since it felt like they were trying too hard to be pleasant and approachable. I also just think it's strange in general that they implied they know me and how I play, but then tried to chastise me for talking about my playstyle and general scum strategies. Additionally also just bad form to shut down discussion about how scum will try to play the game, especially in a newbie game where it's probably the most pertinent to discuss.

VOTE: furtiveglance

This seems sudden to say the least.

No luck pushing hutmeil?

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Ok, but do you still scumread hutmeil? Why unvote them?

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Yes, I 'townread too many people' earlier. Sorry if my generosity offended you. I refined my thoughts in my readslist.

If I had to divide people into townread/not townread right now, I'd say Greeting, Malakittens, hutmeil and whiskey delta are all my townreads. Is 4 fine, or is that over the limit?

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Yes, I 'townread too many people' earlier. Sorry if my generosity offended you. I refined my thoughts in my readslist.

If I had to divide people into townread/not townread right now, I'd say Greeting, Malakittens, hutmeil and whiskey delta are all my townreads. Is 4 fine, or is that over the limit?

There's no need to be passive aggressive.

What happened that knocked Alianna and 72 out of your town reads? What raised Mala into being a top town read after you had her in your PoE earlier?

I realised I only townread Alianna and 72offsuit for not being scummy, when I now have them in null for not being towny. The onus should be on someone to earn my townread, not start with a townread until you lose it.

I hadn't looked at Malakittens before, so I didn't mention them. But when I did look at their ISO, it's towny.

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Some players love dismissing others as limbait town and really labouring the point as scum. I'm not accusing Alianna of doing this, it's just something I've seen before.

This heavily contradicts their current viewpoint and their argument against me.

What changed your stance here?

My stance was always that hutmeil is town, regardless of how people are treating them. My problem with what you said was that you implied hutmeil was being white knighted (or could be white knighted in future) by mafia, but voted hutmeil nonetheless. And you seem right now to be operating in Schrodinger's box by saying that hutmeil is scummy, and also town being white knighted by mafia. Which is it?

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At first I was apprehensive of both you and Malakittens for scumreading/shading hutmeil, but then they expressed some concern over your alignment and I read it as town/mafia.

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As for my vote, I think E-1 would be a bit hasty. If you currently had 2 votes, I'd vote you.

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1) It's just the way I read the interaction

2) You're talking a lot which is better than some. If you vote Tidus or 72offsuit, I'll consider voting with you. If you stay on me I'll probably end up voting you.

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vote count 1.08

Many duck fans believe that most ducks dive, but that isn't the case! Rather than diving, most ducks (like the pictured) just dabble! That's because their food sources are generally pretty close to the surface.

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Roden (3): whiskey delta, hutmeil, Greeting
furtiveglance (2): 72offsuit, Roden
hutmeil (1): Tidus of the X

Not Voting (3): Malakittens, Alianna, furtiveglance

With 9 players alive, it takes 5 votes to reach an elimination.

Day one will end in (expired on 2022-06-04 10:00:00)

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Mod notes:

• quack.

As for my vote, I think E-1 would be a bit hasty. If you currently had 2 votes, I'd vote you.

VOTE: Furtive

Have I committed some kind of mafia cardinal sin?

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My two SRs suddenly turning on each other is an interesting twist that I'm gonna have to sleep on

I don't really get why I was a scumread initially, but that aside, this comment looks like you thought you had solved the game with me/Roden. Which is a terrible solve.

VOTE: Roden

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My two SRs suddenly turning on each other is an interesting twist that I'm gonna have to sleep on

I don't really get why I was a scumread initially, but that aside, this comment looks like you thought you had solved the game with me/Roden. Which is a terrible solve.

VOTE: Roden

LMAO perhaps so… I would be lying if I said I hadn’t entertained the idea already, but then again I figured your vote could end up here going back to 165 so I suppose it’s not all that surprising after all. I have been wondering when or if it would ever come which is also part of why I forced the issue.

What I really mean is you and Roden cross voting and being tied at E-2 is good info for now and later on. I don’t expect to be 2/2 but I also don’t think I’m 0/2. It’s a toss up until I’ve had more time process and see others weigh in.

I don't really appreciate you laughing away at me like the Joker when my place in the game is at stake. Switching from Roden to me makes it look you don't care which of us goes. If this isn't Town/Town, you need to choose one of us rather than going "both of these are scummy, idk". It's making me consider you setting up miscondemns.

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It's a massive problem that 72offsuit and Tidus of the X aren't talking more. They've entered my scumpool by process of elimination.

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Out of the more active seven of us, I can only really see Roden and Alianna being mafia.

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UNVOTE: Roden

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I feel like either 72offsuit/Malakittens counterclaims here, or we should vote 72offsuit.

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@FG

can you go into more detail on your 246?

How do you and Alianna read each other generally?

Same question to

@Alianna

as well.

Alianna is never obvtown (for me at least). I often wrongly read them.

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Maybe I'm just a bad player who can't do anything right, but to me it looks like Furtive and Whiskey were hedging their bets on my elimination, and now that they can't have it they want to vote out a low poster slot that won't fight back and nobody wants to defend.

I townread pretty much every other active player. It's just poe.

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@Furtive:

What do you think of Whiskey wanting you dead and claiming that you're a top scum read, then changing his mind when I claimed Cop? What do you think of him wanting to vote 72 with you even though he thinks you're scum?

It's weird, and I never understood why I was a scumread in the first place; that is to say that I disagreed with his scumcase on me.

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I said, it's weird. By weird I mean scummy.

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I wish I had more to say, this is quite an important period in the game. I have a few points:

1) Roden, I can understand being forced to claim as Cop Day 1 is frustrating, and I too have scumread people for pushing me before (it's only natural and sometimes scum push town). However, your entire view of the game right now seems to be dominated by pushing the people who pushed you (me and whiskey delta). This isn't good for the game.

2) Regardless of reads at this point, the day 1 elimination should move us forward. If we can offload someone who isn't contributing as much, it makes for a healthier gamestate. I've never advocated for this kind of Darwinian thinking in a game before, but Tidus/72 just aren't providing as much as others.

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I think I've been consistent - you were my only real scumread.

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What do you think my flip will reveal?

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I wasn't lying - you were my only scumread. 72offsuit/Tidus are down the list due to poe, but they were basically null/scum.

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I wasn't lying - you were my only scumread. 72offsuit/Tidus are down the list due to poe, but they were basically null/scum.

So if they're null/scum, why do you not want to vote Whiskey, who you just admitted is scummy? Why vote out a low poster you don't actually scum read instead of player you do think is scummy?

Whiskey delta is a complex read for me. I'd like to keep them in for a bit.

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I wasn't lying - you were my only scumread. 72offsuit/Tidus are down the list due to poe, but they were basically null/scum.

So if they're null/scum, why do you not want to vote Whiskey, who you just admitted is scummy? Why vote out a low poster you don't actually scum read instead of player you do think is scummy?

Whiskey delta is a complex read for me. I'd like to keep them in for a bit.

This statement doesn't mean anything. It's not even an excuse.

It really looks like you two are just scum partners and don't know what to do. By all means, you only appear willing to vote out your scum reads unless it's each other. Otherwise, you prefer to just vote people who aren't talking that much and aren't here to defend themself.

I'm sorry, I'm just keeping you updated with my thoughts. I'm becoming increasingly concerned that you're pushing me because I pushed you, and the same with whiskey delta. We're also not paired - or if we are it's one-way, they seemed quite keen to get me out earlier.

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Ok, but be that as it may, I don't remember you scumreading whiskey delta prior.

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I don't really know why I'm arguing with the Cop, but no one else is around so this is all I can do.

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Do you have thoughts on anyone other than whiskey/me? You might need to generate some if you get your way and condemn us back to back (I think that seems to be your plan).

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In terms of scum hunting, meh. What's the point anymore? There's 1 or 2 Days left before we condemn someone (probably me because town will vote with the Cop), and once I die people will forget what my reads were.

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Pretty sure I won't be around unless a Doctor exists. I'm actually pushing my scum reads right now, so I think I'm fine. If I somehow survive to tomorrow and one of you flips town, I can reassess then.

Also, back to back miscondemns? You said Whiskey was scummy. Do you town read him now?

I didn't say miscondemns. I explained my read on whiskey delta already.

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Surely the people who town read you early on would remember your reads?

Probably not, check Mewbie 2092.

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What I'm basically saying is, you're the Cop. Fine. I can't counter claim that, and town will inevitably vote with you. I can tell you're not going to change your mind, so I'm as good as gone already. There's nothing I can do.

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Pretty sure I won't be around unless a Doctor exists. I'm actually pushing my scum reads right now, so I think I'm fine. If I somehow survive to tomorrow and one of you flips town, I can reassess then.

Also, back to back miscondemns? You said Whiskey was scummy. Do you town read him now?

I didn't say miscondemns. I explained my read on whiskey delta already.

Why would I need to generate new reads if we voted you out back to back then? Is Whiskey scum or not?

I don't know. Probably not.

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Obviously I want to live.

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72offsuit, are you aware that Roden claimed Cop? You know you don't get points for townreading a Cop claim.........

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I'm seeing some questions posed to me regarding changing reads without explanation. The blanket answer is that I changed my mind. Right now, you can still refer to my coloured readslist and it's pretty accurate to what I think now.

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There's about 1 day to go. I don't like hutmeil's recent posting at all. Alianna isn't really giving me town vibes either.

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I think whiskey delta is probably town for their approach to Roden pushing me. I'm kind of townreading Tidus' recent posts also.

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Still thinking Greeting/Malakittens are town.

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I think 72offsuit is town.

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VOTE: Alianna

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Furtive and Whiskey try to wagon me, it fails. They scum read each other but refuse to vote each other, instead choosing to wagon 72 even though neither scum read 72. 72 then town tells, the rest of the player list feels hesitant to vote there, so Furtive and Whiskey both swap to Alianna without even discussing anything with each other. Neither scum read Alianna, and she isn't a low poster. Whiskey claims he wants to vote Alianna because I said she did something anti town, but doesn't want to vote Furtive even though we both scum read them.

They are making it very clear that they are aligned, and we know Masons aren't in play.

I'm just townreading whiskey now. Your whole argument is based on the idea that the push on you was scum-driven. I don't think it was, you looked scummy to me pre-claim, and were a consensus scumread.

I now do scumread Alianna, hence the vote.

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Which reads did you flip?

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Roden, I don't know how many times I can say this, but me/whiskey delta is just not it. You're searching for ghosts, man. I'm worried that you're going to derail this game for us if you keep the blinkers on.

My preferred options for today's elimination are Alianna/hutmeil. If you would rather do hutmeil, I'll switch. Otherwise my vote stays.

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It changed. Reads change. I know you think that's scummy, but I'm trying to keep you updated as best I can. I thought hutmeil was newbtown but no longer think so. They aren't talking like a noob, and it unnerves me.

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The Day isn’t over yet, Roden. You’re getting ahead of yourself. Let’s see where the people who aren’t voting actually vote first before declaring them Townie or not.

Conftowns aren't allowed to have town reads now huh

This doesn't even make sense because you and Furtive are hard defending each other even though you were supposedly each other's only scum reads

Like you're outright telling me I can't town read people and that only you are Furtive are allowed to do so

whiskey has never been my only scumread. I flip-flopped a bit, and agreed with you something they did was weird/scummy before, but I townread them now.

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After quick-reading pages 11-15, I'm inclined to either vote for:

Tidus/72off (lurkers)

or

Furtive (in my scummy list plus being pushed by PR)

Has anyone counter-claimed yet? I haven't checked in detail. Once he's confirmed cop, I'll most probably vote for Furtive since we got more info from him being eliminated than the lurkers.

I find it interesting though that 72off suddenly came to life this past few pages after getting a vote.

Scummy.
Instead of interacting with my posts and the content in them, keeps me lumped in with tidus as a lurker and also actively discouraging town from posting by shading me for being active.

Yeah. I'm wondering if hutmeil is the better vote today.........

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What do other people think regarding Alianna/hutmeil?

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Alianna, current votes aside, who would be your preferred elimination?

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That's funny, I was thinking the same about you!

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We're running out of time and I've received no answer to 373. I'll have to assume that your reads are capitalising on the fact that

Tidus

' ISO is short and he hasn't contributed much rather than getting to read into his few posts and trying to make out something of them. The most likely answer for that is that

Tidus of the X

is inactive newbie limbait and you wanted to make sure that you can always dig up that read whenever it was convenient for you to do so. And there is not enough time to build a wagon on

Tidus

at this point so the timing for you is bad.

It's easy for scum to go after players like this since you usually cannot count on them effectively defending themselves. That also explains why you're going after

hutmeil

. And in my opinion, someone being less active than most is not a reliable scumtell at all, and is mostly used by opportunistic scumbags to push innocents out.

Now you're desperately trying to get people to jump aboard the

Alianna

wagon, and as much as I am hesitant about

Alianna

, she is not as desperate to get anyone eliminated solely to preserve herself. As a matter of fact, she's quite hesitant to vote at all (428). Which is why I'd rather have her stay and have you go instead.

VOTE: furtiveglance

Tidus had done pretty much nothing when I made that readslist - so I put him in null. I said in 384 that I liked Tidus' recent posting. I was under the impression that Alianna was your big scumread - 183 for instance. You now townread her for what, doing nothing? Being hesitant to vote isn't towny. This is completely bizarre and illogical. Yes my reads change, so you can probably find me guilty of 'inconsistency', because I'm not saying the same thing throughout the entire game, but I'm constantly sharing my reads, Alianna hasn't been as vocal. If you keep me in the game, there'll be more information and associatives.

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Ngl I don’t wanna elim alianna.

FG

This just stinks
Bc I really want one of 72 hut & Tidus sorted

I won’t be back before deadline most likely in going to sleep

Is this a vote? If so, you know you can vote for hutmeil, I might even join you. Your hands aren't tied, you don't have to vote for me.

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I guess I'm getting hammered then. Meh. Maybe Roden will start listening to other people when I flip. Best guess for the scumteam is [Hutmeil, Alianna/Greeting]. Nothing else to say, no power role.

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Greeting fits that “active enough to not raise suspicion but still under the radar” description better imo.

They are either playing a super clean (albeit thus far incorrect) Town game or they are just scum and staying above the fray but still landing on wagons. Their interactions have been fairly minimal. The way they pop in, make a few reads, ask a few questions, drop a vote, and then are gone again is really unsettling to me.

I agree, reminds me of Newbie 2090 when I townread Mr Turtle (mafia) early for the same thing. Anyway, it's definitely weird that Greeting had reservations about Alianna earlier in the day (183), but now saves Alianna by voting me out. Possible scumteam there, I don't think Greeting would defend hutmeil so hard if they were paired.

Anyway, I have 1 foot in the grave so that's just my honest read of the game.
Final Reads:
Roden (uncced Cop)
whiskey delta
72offsuit
Mala
Tidus of the X
hutmeil
Alianna
Greeting

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This is the first time I've been miscondemned Day 1. Guess I won't push the Cop next time.

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Is anyone around to help ease my passage into spectator chat?

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If I flip town (will I, wont I?!), what is your best guess, Alianna?

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whiskey delta, I'm leaving my investigating kit to you. Lead on Greeting tomorrow.

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Bruh........I was getting hammered anyway.

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I suddenly have a bad feeling about this.

Just now?

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Perhaps Greeting? But really, I'd have to reread the thread.

ok Greeting, that's a good read. There are 2 mafia - is the other one you? Greeting/Hutmeil aren't paired.

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whiskey delta, I'm leaving my investigating kit to you. Lead on Greeting tomorrow.

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But yeah too many coasters. Initially 72/Tidus/Mala didn't really do enough to be town or mafia, if town were more active then coasters would get voted more.

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Don't worry about it, I think I've won 1/7 games I've played on here! You were definitely one of the most interesting players to play with this game, I'd love to push PR with you again sometime (sorry Roden!).