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Alright, will read up on this today.

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VOTE: Bellaphant Greeting and bellaphant are mafia duo. I voted greeting and bellaphant voted me seems like a newbie mistake

Feels town

Hi @Player6. Can you elaborate on what you mean when Bellaphant voting you seems like a newbie mistake?

Nothing stood out to me as strange when Bellaphant voted you.

Feels scummy.

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Page 2 looks like a good time for a juicy RVS Hammer you have been judged Bella to be too sussy for our company. Begone!

VOTE: Bellaphant

This is scummy. Spartan, where has your cautious playstyle gone?

Yesh I'm getting that vibe too, think you probably rolled green again too, cab you really roll Red (idk how many) that many times!
UNVOTE: Bellaphant

What changed this read?

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I’ve read the interaction between P6 and Bella a couple of times again. The interaction doesn’t sit well with me and I feel that one of them could be mafia.

Not sure who - Whether it is Bella pushing against P6, or P6 getting a bit wordy with his explanations and being defensive.

I am leaning more towards P6 at the moment as his early comments and accusation towards Bella and Greeting still don’t sit well with me.

More interaction from the others would be nice (from darkj, Uncrowned and Greeting).

UNVOTE: Spartan117
VOTE: Player6

This feels like Ghardi is lining votes/elims up. Ghardi, why did the interaction lead you to believe that exactly 1 of them is scum?

I clearly don't care if I'm being sussed and am more than happy to use myself as a tool to drive conversation and get opinions, why is this scummy? Do you think scum want to try and be heavily sussed early on? Would it not make more sense to try and hide under the radar?

It's scummy because you know there are people who have played with you before in this game and if you do not get killed early (which as you said yourself earlier, does seem to happen) then people are going to start asking questions. As well as this, it gives you a reason to be alive later in the game because you were suspected a decent amount.

bella blue and spartan all look town to me

Talk to me about Spartan

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Hello, has anything important happened? I skimmed through and Spartan stands out the most to me. Can I get a votecount?

Talk about what stood out?

This was an in joke about bbt, sorry.

Rude!

I'm liking Tapio's posting on Greeting.

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Greeting has done lots of defending and 0 scum hunting.

That's not a good look, chief.

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How has it been 36 hours...fuck me.

Howcome we haven't elimmed Greeting yet?

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I think greeting was scum hunting in the early game?

Show me?

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If I squint really hard Bella, 60 might come across as scum hunting. The rest is dross.

I'm waiting to hammer. If anyone wants to put Greeting to E-1, I would greatly appreciate it.

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Oh.

I have already done so. I told everyone that Greeting isn't scum hunting. Therefore, he isn't trying to find scum. Ergo, he is scum.

I can't be any clearer.

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Because I want to make sure it goes through.

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PlayerSix I don't have too much of a read on, Spartan's 'reaction test' was pretty scummy and I find a lot of his posting fluffy.

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VOTE: Looker

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Hi. My slot was almost hammered. Huzzah

Also nails suck to type with

What do you think about how D1 went down?

I gave you as much time as I could

I see. Why did you vote Player6 like 10 mins before hammering Greeting?

Also, does anyone know how long was left in D1 when Greeting got hammered?

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Hmm, fair enough.

Who do you think is scum?

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If you think there should be a lot to talk about then why would you need a reread?

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Alright, I thought you might have just done that without stating intention to do so whilst actually contributing nothing...

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Your post makes it sound like you already thought there would be a lot to discuss from D1 but you don't actually share anything which makes me wonder what the point of the post is

If you think there should be a lot to talk about, then start talking? Why the need for a reread of 11 pages?

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I'm not scum so you can reevaluate now.

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I wanted Greeting to be elimmed, I think that was clear.

I didn't vote because I simply didn't manage to get online beforehand.

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It was true, that's a quick vote Bella.

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Your town read was based on weak sauce and I'm pretty skeptical of it, I can't lie.

Eh, I think this could be greetings town game. Dislike that two people turned up with the same narrative at the same time about them.

Where did this come from, Bella?

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I find I tend to scum read greeting for tone and be wrong a fair bit.

Eh, I think this could be greetings town game.

I finally think I have a good grasp of greetings meta: in the past I definitely scum read them too easy for tone things.

These three posts don't line up.

The two people saying the exact same thing generally worries me? It was you and....not known? The whole push felt scummy and I do have like a bop on you.

Why would two people saying the same thing worry you?

Why did the push feel scummy? And what do you mean you have a bop on me?

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No, they don't. The first post implies you usually read Greeting incorrectly based on tone.

This then progresses into a town read on Greeting (someone you admittedly find difficult to read) based on very little information and I don't think it's genuine.

This then progresses into you magically having a good grasp of their meta and this being the base of your read. How did all this happen in 5 pages or whatever it was?

OK, let's say three. There are only two scum. If you believe that Greeting was genuinely scum hunting then you also believe the following;

Scum decided to join together with the same 'false reasoning' to push somebody and thus inexplicably tie themselves together for the remainder of the game.

Or, exactly one person is scum. Which means that two townies saw the same thing and agreed with each other while one scum tagged along.

Or, all three people are town and Greeting wasn't scum hunting. I'm pretty sure you don't think the third is an option. So which of the first two do you believe?

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You, tap and not known. Three people !

Not known isn't in this game

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I don't think that would be something that scum discussed when assessing who to kill, no.

You're taking your time given you think there is so much we could be talking about.

Can you give a little something, something?

VOTE: Tapio

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Wouldn't mind seeing something from Elmo as well.

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Might look like a fake slip now. But post-game it's just going to look plain dumb. Meh, it's whatever.

I still stand by what I said regarding your posts about Greeting, but I'm more interested in Tapio right now so have no interest in pursuing it further.

Pedit - Vote Tapio with me then?

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On that note Bella, what made you decide that my vote for Greeting was worse than Tapio's?

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I'm reasonably confident that both scum are in Tapio, Elmo, Bella and Looker.

My problem is that I just can't read Bella, so if one of the other three could town it up, that would be great.

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I underestimate you in what way? I scum read you because every time I have felt reasonably confident you were town you turned out to be scum. So, you know.

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@Tapio, looking forward to seeing what you got to say about P6/Elmo

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I honestly don't know.

But I don't think it's something that factors into scum's thinking about who to kill.

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VOTE: Elmo

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Scum trying to seem carefree ^^^

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It might not be a choice.

Elmo could be struggling for content because they're scum.

I was specifically referring to your approval of my vote. Elmo.

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Elmo already has two votes Spartan and they have contributed nothing as of yet.

Can't find time to post content but can find time to explain why they're not posting content.

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Are we elimming Elmo now?

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Yeah, I would like to elim you as quickly as possible to be honest.

Do you have any opinions on the players you haven't commented on yet?

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Can everyone else give their opinions on Elmo as well please.

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Bella's voting is opportunistic as fuck right now.

Bella, what are your thoughts on Elmo?

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I find greeting hard to read, traditionally.

Missed this post regarding Greeting in my earlier conversation with Bella, too. Her read progression on Greeting was mad scummy.

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It's prob just Bella/Elmo to be honest.

Will elim either.

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Elmo's interaction with the game is almost entirely based on responding directly to things asked of him, as opposed to independent scum hunting.

Bella's read progression on Greeting and subsequent voting on D2 has been horrendous, too.

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Tapio has a vote Bella, it's not a naked vote.

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You technically made Tapio the joint leading wagon with Elmo and I don't understand why you're not prodding Elmo more and almost avoiding taking too take much of a stance on them.

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Elmo/Bella.

If someone thinks I am wrong, come fight me.

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Do you think my play is that messy?

Are you saying your town play is messy?

Like, I don't get this point at all.

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It's not 'basically' naked when it makes a joint leading wagon and is E-2. That's not a naked vote.

I want you to prod them. Vote them. Do something. You were voting me at start of Day when it looked like I was a potentially viable elim. Now you have shifted onto Tapio.

My solve is what I said - your read progression on Greeting makes 0 sense, especially your 'difficulty' in reading him which leads you to town read him when under pressure somehow. I mean, it's not that Elmo isn't doing much. They have contributed, but you have made no comments on anything. You're either unintentionally ignoring the slot (which you're not, otherwise you would have said) or you're just plain not interacting with them. So I ask myself; why would you do that?

My SR of Tapio evaporated into thin air when your good self and Elmo became so obviously scum.

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If you're town, you simply have to help me elim someone who you claim to not have much of a read on. You said yourself, you don't want to take them to Elo, but that's exactly where they're going if we elim wrong today.

What do you say?

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We're solving because this game seems pretty straight forward.

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It's prob just Bella/Elmo to be honest.

Will elim either.

With how the beginning of Day 1 went between Bella and Player6, I doubt that those two are a scum pair.

You're probably right.

VOTE: Bella

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VOTE: Elmo

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Still 0 scum hunting from Elmo by the way.

Hasn't done anything outside of what he was directly asked to contribute.

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I can't argue with that.

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I'm around but not sure what to do.

If Elmo is town then this is probably the easiest game scum will ever have.

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I thought you were going to self hammer?

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Hmm, that is an interesting night indeed.

VOTE: Bella

Pretty happy with this.

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Blue and Spartan I like for town unless I am horrible at reading.

Means there are two scum in Tapio, Looker and Bella.

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The fact that both Greeting and Elmo were town though is absolutely horrific. Like, fuck me.

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Is there a reason you're town reading me Spartan?

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UNVOTE:

You protected me? How sweet.

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Consider my town reads on Blue and Spartan retracted

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Not fully retracted but yeah, not as strong as they were.

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So it's Tapio/Looker?

I knew Blue was a PR but I thought they had something stronger on Spartan than a track

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I am SUPER paranoid that Spartan has been townreading me to avoid confrontation.

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VOTE: Tapioca

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Man, Tapio's start of D2 was awful. Should have stuck with that vote.

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I'm reasonably confident that both scum are in Tapio, Elmo, Bella and Looker.

You will notice the only two players missing here.

I'm phone posting, let me find the post from Blue.

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I'm pretty sure Spartan is town. I know I argued otherwise before, but I changed my mind. I was only being way too confident in a tinfoil theory I created.

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Vote me Tapio

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Spartan can you explain your town read on me when you're next on please.

I have asked previously.

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@Bella and BlueSnake: What motivated you to choose each of your targets?

Why does this matter?

Who do you think is scum?

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Why not? You think I'm scum so why you scared?

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I see

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Where are your reads currently at and what are they based on?

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I don't

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Where are your reads currently at and what are they based on?

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VOTE: Spartan117 I think you may also be due for a prod

pedit: nvm

what's the thinking behind this vote

I'm assuming similar thinking to the thinking that was behind this one

VOTE: Spartan117

But then, again, it was never explained - kind of like this one

man

VOTE: Greeting

This never goes anywhere

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Do you have independent reasons based on prior play?

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@spartan can I get an answer to 330?

Vibes.... feeling... hunches... more will be revealed day 3

Spartan, if you were trying to stay alive with your play...why did you soft a PR here?

UNVOTE:

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i also dont see why scum would want to night kill bbt

Because I'm the best?

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I don't know if 366 from Spartan is an attempt to draw protection to him - Doc or JK for example. That's what it feels like on a reread

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How did you realise that?

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Can you believe we're both town, Bella?

What a world we live in.

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Tapio is scum yeah?

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actually it was at start of day
iirc it was the fact that with no night kill it was very likely that prs had a lot of information and the way bella approached yesterday and then today read to me as pr
i won't lie i kind of forgot because i thought it was a moot point

What specifically about how Bella approached yesterday made her seem like a PR to you?

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Based on what?

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Yeah, Tapio is very thread flowy at the moment.

Didn't want to commit until she knew which way the thread was flowing.

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I don't think so. I really feel that BBT and Spartan are trying to get a miselimination Today at all costs.

Failing that, I can see a BBT/Looker duo too. Either Spartan and BBT could be trying to draw votes away from Looker and into Tapioca, but I don't really see Spartan/Looker as a particularly likely option. Plus, Spartan was jailed Night 1 while a NK still occurred, so Spartan is a less likely suspected than BBT overall.

Either way, I think we should eliminate BBT today.

This post gave Tapio the green light they needed to commit to me.

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I'm paranoid about Spartan and that is growing with him ignoring my posts.

I think my favourite elim is actually Looker atm. Everything they post looks scummy.

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Looker is really quiet at a real pivotal point of the game and really not saying much at all throughout the game.

VOTE: Looker

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I'm tired and that's a really poorly constructed post.

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Town as fuck.

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I'm paranoid because I don't really feel like you have questioned my alignment.

I also think you know that I can be a spiky player and so, if you were scum, you would try to stay out of my way.

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OK, the first part doesn't do anything for me because as I know I am town I know that scum tried to kill me.

The rest does make sense though.

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Looker is really quiet at a real pivotal point of the game and really not saying much at all throughout the game.

VOTE: Looker

am i too hard to miselim

Nope.

I think you're goon and Looker is RB'er.

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so true besties

This is scum worried that Spartan and I will figure out each other are town.

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i don't really know how to read looker at this point. i think he might be town. i TR most of ghardi's posts and it seems like he might be trying to sort the game. i want to investigate this slot more.

Tapio, talk to me about your read progression on Looker.

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Looker is really quiet at a real pivotal point of the game and really not saying much at all throughout the game.

VOTE: Looker

am i too hard to miselim

Because you said this.

This post says you don't want Looker elimmed and would rather you were voted because if you lose your RB'er you know the game is over.

I'm probably lock voting Looker for the rest of this Day.

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That's a strange way of saying 'I don't want to vote Looker because he is my partner'.

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Talk to me about your read progression on Looker.

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As I suspected.

Can we just get this over with now?

Snake, vote Looker please.

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You almost never get two scum pushing for the same elim in ELo. Not saying it doesn't happen, but it's rare.

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Alright, here we go.

Let's see what happens.

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Man, Snake's vote feels weird after suspecting Spartan and I

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It's because this elimination is so critical that I'm doubting the push on Tapioca. Mafia wants us to get it wrong just as much as we want to get it right.

Had you had been pushing for Tapioca alone, I would've been more inclined to believe you. In that case, I would think you were a townie with a correct push on mafia, with the Mafia not knowing what to do in response.

But as things stand the way they are, with both you and BBT pushing for Tapioca, I believe in either of two possibilities:

- You and BBT are mafia working together to miseliminate Tapioca.
- You're a townie with a

wrong

push on Tapioca, and BBT is mafia trying to help you miseliminate Tapioca.

Like, I just ISO'd him and saw this post then looked again at his vote on Looker and I'm just like...what?

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Snake, does this same logic not apply to Looker?

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i would like to hear more from bella and looker before the day ends at least

regardless we'll have to wait for bella

Interesting that you use the word 'day' and not 'game'. You know, given you're townreading Looker...

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You didn't respond to what I said.

If you think Looker is town, why would you think the 'day' is over and not the 'game'?

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No, the second part of your sentence after 'but' negates the first part.

Let's talk about reading huh?

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It's rhetorical.

Second sentence says as much

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Little words/phrases are a pretty key ingredient in this game.

Walk me through how you arrived at your Looker town read.

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Spartan, can you post and rule out a Spartan/Tapio team please?

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Oof.

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Bella, come off it.

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I feel like you should know I'm town now.

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The above post is filled with nonsense and, as such, nobody needs to read it.

Just vote Looker instead.

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Bella just gets RB'ed from now on and is essentially useless in terms of her PR

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Both Tapio and Looker have come alive when under pressure.

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Bella you don't still think I am scum do you?

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I'm around..ish for the next few hours. I don't really feel like I have much to add though

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Spartan what the fuck are you doing?

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Fuck me, that was scummy as shit. What was that?

Can we please eliminate Looker?

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Fuck me, that was scummy as shit. What was that?

Can we please eliminate Looker?

If what I did was scummy, why do you want to eliminate Looker?

Because I don't think you're scum but that 180 on me had to be acknowledged.

If you're scum, I'm resigned to losing this game because I just don't think I ever vote you over Tapio or Looker.

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If you elim me, town will lose this game.

I'm in disbelief that there is a world in which I get elimmed before both of them.

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Snake, you basically just said that no matter what I did, I am scum.

That's absurd.

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Like, I will literally elim ANY of Tapio/Looker.

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I can only speculate as to why I was targeted.

I would assume scum were worried I would push them giving that I had managed to drive through two wagons?

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I was happy because I thought we were going to elim Looker.

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I didn't expect you to vote so quickly no because you seemed to be scum reading me. So I was a little surprised, sure, but I absolutely want the elim to go through.

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Not really.

Bella/you just die and we continue in this circle. You probably die tbf.

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meh im willing to vote looker

Do it then?

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Both scum already voting me so I'm chill.

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Will switch to Tapio if needed but much prefer Looker.

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I can be around for the next 6 hours or so but will probably just miss the deadline.

Perfect situation for scum this is.

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Outside of defending themselves, during D3 Tapio and Looker have offered very little.

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VC 2.4

Tapiocaphobe (3) Spartan117, Bellaphant, Elmo TeH AzN [E-1]

Bellaphant (1) BlueBloodedToffee

Elmo TeH AzN (1) Tapiocaphobe

Not Voting (2) BlueSnakelet, Looker

With 7 alive, it takes 4 to eliminate.

Day 2 Deadline: (expired on 2022-11-25 19:58:43)

This is the only real wagon on either Tapio or Looker all game.

All town wagon on Tapio?

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What do you feel should be happening right now, and what do you have against BBT and Tapio other than BBT's trying to gamesolve and Tapio's asking for more activity?

Looker, talk to me about how your read changed on me throughout the game.

You scum read me, then appeared to think I was game-solving and ergo town, then started D3 with BBT is scum again.

I'm not sure I've seen any reasoning from you at all on these read flips.

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Kinda hoped for more of a reaction from my test rather than being outted, let it be known if anyone votes for bella now and Hammers that they are scum.

One mafia found, one to go!

UNVOTE: Tapiocaphobe
VOTE: Spartan117

I’ve read the interaction between P6 and Bella a couple of times again. The interaction doesn’t sit well with me and I feel that one of them could be mafia.

Not sure who - Whether it is Bella pushing against P6, or P6 getting a bit wordy with his explanations and being defensive.

I am leaning more towards P6 at the moment as his early comments and accusation towards Bella and Greeting still don’t sit well with me.

More interaction from the others would be nice (from darkj, Uncrowned and Greeting).

UNVOTE: Spartan117
VOTE: Player6

This looks rather opportunistic/hedgey.
VOTE: Ghardi

choo choo VOTE: Ghardi

i think i'm also okay with a p6 vote

bella blue and spartan all look town to me

VOTE: Spartan117 I think you may also be due for a prod

pedit: nvm

what's the thinking behind this vote

VOTE: BlueBloodedToffee

VOTE: BlueBloodedToffee

Youre voting the wrong Blue

He's voting the right blue.

BlueSnakelet

is town.

VOTE: BlueBloodedToffee

where are these votes coming from

so the read I have on yesterday is that me and NK15 pushed a greeting wagon hard, a couple of people jumped on, and the rest of town was conflicted.
with the flips we know NK15 (the biggest pusher) was town, so I know the wagon was almost entirely town-aligned, which makes me think scum was playing reactively to d1 and probably hopped on to the greeting wagon.
so out of the wagon, that leaves me with bbt, spartan, looker, and p6 (elmo's slot). imo BBT is basically locktown with his play. he's aggressively prodding slots and trying to sort.

spartan was really scummy in d1. he had very little to say after RVS, talked repeatedly throughout the day about how unsure he was of greeting's slot (172, 175, 199, 226/227) without seemingly any interest in actually sorting the slot, but is very happy to vote him once town starts running out of time. he does, however, have a lot to say (and an OMGUS vote!) on blue for bringing up something I actually thought had some water to it: the idea that scum!spartan is happy to let greeting eliminate himself. spartan says himself in 175 that he has little influence on how the push goes (i think its also scummy he then goes on to imply there's scum voting him by "wondering" aloud without trying to sort). I'm honestly surprised blue backed off on this read today; NK15's flip should make that read

stronger,

considering we now know a big part of the push was town.

i think p6's vote on greeting was also scummy. what struck me as very odd yesterday was the fact that P6 stuck to his RVS reads and continued to push bella and greeting as scum throughout the day. I initially read him as being misguided town, but even in 165, he's

still pushing greeting

off of 16. I honestly thought 16 was just a joke vote for RVS. why is he still committed to it so close to the end of the day? it reads to me like he's scum trying to join a miselimination off of reads he started the game with.

i don't really know how to read looker at this point. i think he might be town. i TR most of ghardi's posts and it seems like he might be trying to sort the game. i want to investigate this slot more.

bella and blue i still sort of town-lean, i want to also look at these slots more but i'm running out of time right now. i'll get to it soon, maybe tonight or probably tomorrow if not.

VOTE: Spartan117

oh i also don't think the p6 wagon at the end of yesterday was scum-motivated, so i kind of think looker's/blue's play was town. i still need to look at it.

side note i know speculating on night kills is an exercise in futility but NK15 being killed is weird to me

also i can't proofread rn so sorry if there's any mistakes above

i don't like the posts they've made and i don't like the time it's taken to make them even with an excuse

How is this different from Greeting?

what do you mean?

i don't like the posts they've made and i don't like the time it's taken to make them even with an excuse

How is this different from Greeting?

what do you mean?

Spoiler:

Greeting has done

[...]

0 scum hunting

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That's not a good look, chief.

I think that greeting being in my first scum read and also has done a lot of shady things like having

0 scum hunting

and maybe I'm heading towards a Greeting/Ghardi scum team but I still think that bellaphant needs to be watched still as they aren't fully in the clear VOTE: Greeting

Did you guys pre-decide this push and blatantly untrue argumentation, which can be easily proven by just looking into my ISO, in the scumchat?

Elmo already has two votes Spartan and they have contributed nothing as of yet.

Can't find time to post content but can find time to explain why they're not posting content.

Takes 30 seconds to make a post about what's going on irl then an hour reading this whole game.

The crime seems to be more about not being present than doing anything sneaky.

like i said in 297, i think the behavior of his slot was suspect in d1. i find 307 and 312 particularly disingenuous considering I had just given my reasons for suspecting the slot

in fact, where is 312 coming from after 303? if they themselves think their slot should be suspected then why do they go on to make a post discrediting the push on them?

VOTE: Tapio

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Shit. Was ISO'ing and refreshed on diff tab.

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There are very few interactions between Looker and Tapio throughout the game and exactly 0 alignment solving.

I don't usually do pre-flips but, like, this seems obvious.

Can anyone find a single post from either of them trying to solve each other's alignment?

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Like, Tapio weirdly town reads Looker for weak reasons and literally never reevaluates the read

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i don't really know how to read looker at this point. i think he might be town. i TR most of ghardi's posts and it seems like he might be trying to sort the game. i want to investigate this slot more.

This 'investigation' never happens and the town read is NEVER reevaluated despite being based on some weak sauce.

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Talk to me about your read progression on Looker.

it's a sixth sense

This was Tapio's response when I pushed him on the read and everyone else in the game is like 'Yeah, that seems legit'...

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Can anyone find a single post from either of them trying to solve each other's alignment?

Quoted again because this is key.

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And the rest?

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Because I think Tapio is goon and you're RB'er.

I said as much earlier.

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Have you not read any of my recent posts?

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What do you feel should be happening right now, and what do you have against BBT and Tapio other than BBT's trying to gamesolve and Tapio's asking for more activity?

Looker, talk to me about how your read changed on me throughout the game.

You scum read me, then appeared to think I was game-solving and ergo town, then started D3 with BBT is scum again.

I'm not sure I've seen any reasoning from you at all on these read flips.

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It does matter because if you think I was game-solving then that would imply you were town reading me. It's a convenient excuse to use 'you were jailed' as a reason for your read when in actual fact it's just a complete 50/50 as to whether I was protected or whether I was stopped from killing.

As an aside, after driving through what turned out to be two mislims, there is no way on this planet I put myself forward to do that kill as scum.

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Again, you have both just been online and there is 0 interaction between the pair of you.

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I see, why would Elmo have a problem with me game-solving? That literally makes 0 sense

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I think you don't need to interact with each other because you blatantly don't need to figure out each other's alignment.

Unless you can quote some posts of yours in this entire game that shows otherwise?

Can you find a single post of yours that shows you trying to figure out Tapio's alignment?

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I would prefer BBT unless Tapioca has boldly led both miselims as scum

This seems to describe me, Looker, no?

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@Elmo - When you say you feel yuck about Tapioca's blame game, are you saying that they're wrong or are you saying that they're being disingenuously wrong?

i don't like the posts they've made and i don't like the time it's taken to make them even with an excuse

How is this different from Greeting?

what do you mean?

Spoiler:

Greeting has done

[...]

0 scum hunting

.

That's not a good look, chief.

I think that greeting being in my first scum read and also has done a lot of shady things like having

0 scum hunting

and maybe I'm heading towards a Greeting/Ghardi scum team but I still think that bellaphant needs to be watched still as they aren't fully in the clear VOTE: Greeting

Did you guys pre-decide this push and blatantly untrue argumentation, which can be easily proven by just looking into my ISO, in the scumchat?

Elmo already has two votes Spartan and they have contributed nothing as of yet.

Can't find time to post content but can find time to explain why they're not posting content.

Takes 30 seconds to make a post about what's going on irl then an hour reading this whole game.

The crime seems to be more about not being present than doing anything sneaky.

Gonna be out of pocket for the holiday. Happy Thanksgiving.

Is armchair QB a scum thing or is that just a playstyle that you don't like?

Gray gif profile pic - I mixed up Elmo and Bellaphant while reading on a previous page. Either way, I'm not a fan of what comes off as a self-hammer bluff. Also, you said BBT was being an armchair QB but that that wasn't scum-indicative. And then you said in 337 that Tapioca's case on you wasn't inaccurate but that you just weren't here for the game despite actively choosing to rep into the slot. It seems contradictory, or at least that there's pieces missing that would make it make sense. What do you feel should be happening right now, and what do you have against BBT and Tapio other than BBT's trying to gamesolve and Tapio's asking for more activity?

This is the entirety of Looker's posting when Tapio was under pressure and E-1.

Not the slightest bit of interest.

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Up until recently, Tapioca had the highest post count in thread - I think I have enough material. Also, I feel like you and Spartan cliqued up pretty early under the guise of having played together before and just...assumed?...each others' alignments. That's something that's difficult to overlook. And 537 doesn't really describe you because you weren't on Greeting's wagon and also Bella didn't JK Tapioca.

p-edit: @Spartan: I don't know what buzzwords like "towned it up" are supposed to mean, but you can quote your questions and I'll try my best.

This is no way answers what you have been asked.

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If I have to do too many p-edits, I'll just stop and come back later.

If I find your questions too difficult to answer, I'll just leave the thread.

Showinh 0 concern for the time we have left.

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782 is you not referencing or even acknowledging the Tapio wagon despite not seeming to give a read on them at all.

You even throw in a soft defence for good measure. Unless you were clarifying Elmo's position again...

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Where is Bellaphant? And why aren't you accusing them of 'showing 0 concern'?

Because Bella isn't here posting while ignoring questions and saying they will leave thread because people are posting.

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Looker throw out some thoughts on Tapio's play this game.

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Looker throw out some thoughts on Tapio's play this game.

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Feel what way?

Snake has always been a pretty strong town read of mine, Bella is pretty much conf town so I need no thinking power there?

What are you actually referencing?

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I think you don't need to interact with each other because you blatantly don't need to figure out each other's alignment.

Unless you can quote some posts of yours in this entire game that shows otherwise?

Can you find a single post of yours that shows you trying to figure out Tapio's alignment?

I would prefer BBT unless Tapioca has boldly led both miselims as scum

This seems to describe me, Looker, no?

Any answers?

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For anyone paying attention, Looker is very clearly cherry picking what questions he wants to answer.

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For page top to ensure everyone sees, cliff notes;

Few interactions between Looker and Tapio
0 alignment solving attempts by either player to work out the other
Can't even speak about each other
Looker's Tapio read should apply to me
Looker completely ignored Tapio when she was under pressure on D2(?)

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What does that even mean, Looker?

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Up until recently, Tapioca had the highest post count in thread - I think I have enough material.

Like, what does this mean?

There is no read on Tapio. Just simply said that she has a lot of posts...like wtf?

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I was talking about you cherry picking the questions you answer.

Can you talk about what I think should be done for show?

Can you answer the two questions above? Infact, just quote 801 and answer each point and we're all good?

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I give up.

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There is more than enough to elim you or Tapio.

Let's get it done.

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I don't think we need to wait.

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Let's goooo.

Don't forget that Looker is scum Tomorrow please!

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Yeah