Newbie 2113 - Shea it ain't So! | Game Over!

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hello all!
VOTE: dio

@mod i am regularly vla on fridays and saturdays

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:)

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have any of you played mafia before?

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Oh that's v interesting

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I read this like six times and i'm finding it v confusing for some reason

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And what do both of u think of dio?

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And what do both of u think of dio?

0 opinion, why is dio being voted?

Dio voted herta

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Spoiler:

have any of you played mafia before?

Yes I used to play forum mafia on an old site

@kawaii why'd you vote Black?

They don't think Herta is cute :(
Or they are jealous I didn't call them cute

VOTE: Dionysus

@kawaii why'd you vote Black?

Black voted Herta

I'm trying to track if this sort of logic applies to dio for voting herta too

And no idea what's up with the herta thing

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Why was their entrance scummy?

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I kinda think patchwork's entrance was a bit scummy too

UNVOTE:

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Well, were you thinking their entrance was scummy at the time u voted them?

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it was rvs

rvs?

Random voting stage: the beginning of the game where there isnt a ton of info yet and people vote for, well, random reasons

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I think kawaii is town for now

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The reasoning is fine .... if herta had posted before dio

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it was rvs

0kay Ik the concept b4 knowing the name, I thought that was why Black voted herata
If it was rvs why didn't you say it was initially?

Did I have to

the issue i'm having is that initially dio said the entrance was scummy, but when it was pointed out that herta hadn't posted yet, backtracked to saying it was rvs

i'm trying to understand what dio was thinking at the time he voted herta/gave the initial explanation
if herta had actually posted first, i think the explanation is fine, but given that herta *hadn't* posted, it kinda feels like dio made up a reason to vote them

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you misremembered what exactly?

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hmmmm

pedit honestly it feels kinda scummy to me
i don't hate voting patch either but yeah

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i've done that kind of thing as scum tbh

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Yeah, sure, scum can be. On this occasion, I don't think that's what it is.

The fact Dion took the time to go through Herta's ISO to try and justify the vote and came up with that explanation makes me think he is town. Town are much more careless about voting than scum are.

Why wouldnt scum do that tho

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what do you think abt patchwork

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what do you think abt patchwork

I think town. Their focus on irrelevant things like gender identity or sexual orientation is too weird for that to be how scum opens imo.

Hmmm i'm not sure these are great reasons to tr someone

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I kinda think patchwork's entrance was a bit scummy too

UNVOTE:

"based red pfp" is scummy???

I didnt like the kawaii vote

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I didnt like the kawaii vote

Which vote?

MOD NOTE: Fixed quote tag.

The vote patchwork made on u

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what do you think abt patchwork

I think town. Their focus on irrelevant things like gender identity or sexual orientation is too weird for that to be how scum opens imo.

Hmmm i'm not sure these are great reasons to tr someone

maybe not but it is only 3 posts so

what do you think abt patchwork

I think town. Their focus on irrelevant things like gender identity or sexual orientation is too weird for that to be how scum opens imo.

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wtf does this even mean lol, asking what someone's pronouns are is definitely relevant and while i concede that the "are you gay" question was def a bad joke that's a really dumb thing to tr someone for

take the w

I mean that's why you're professing a tr on them so
I would understand null, tr seems like a bit of a stretch

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Weird vibes. I think maybe because she seemed a bit too focused for my tastes on arguing that Dio could still be mafia (not that he definitely was, but specifically that he could be), which to me felt a bit like she was trying to keep options open, rather than actually pursuing someone she had a read on. Does that make sense?

It's not strong vibes or anything, but it is weird vibes lol

I feel like he could be mafia, yes
In fact, VOTE: dio

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Why is herta the leading wagon

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Not really following why you think i'm scummy here

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It just kinda feels like you're making a mountain out of a molehill with the Dio thing. To me it feels opportunistic for you to jump on someone and call them scum over something that happened in RVS and I'm not seeing that as a town perspective

I mean it's a scummy event from my POV, the fact that it's in RVS doesn't seem like a good reason to not pursue it

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I mean sure but i was thinking abt it for a while

@ black we can agree to disagree, i believe we can extract value ajd meaning from rvs

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I kinda think dio is scum tbh

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VOTE: skitter30

We can go this route first if you'd prefer.

Do tell

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I kinda think dio is scum tbh

I Thought this was off because they were voting Dio already but it fits. Still don't like the "kinda" and the "tbh" together.

- i didnt like his vote on you
- kinda/tbh is how i write

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I kinda think dio is scum tbh

Skitter what are ur thoughts on players not named Dionysus

Bbt/kawaii townish
Maybe black too
Patchwork/empathice
You

Others are null

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I kinda think dio is scum tbh

I Thought this was off because they were voting Dio already but it fits. Still don't like the "kinda" and the "tbh" together.

- i didnt like his vote on you
- kinda/tbh is how i write

what was wrong with my vote on them?

Pinged me wrong
Why did you vote them

@bbt i would consider voting patch too tbh

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Ok but the slot was getting replaced and the replacement hadnt posted yet - why would voting them at that point help?

And do you have any reada you'd like to share?

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I don't know why you voted there, it doesnt make sense as a town vote at that time, esp. since you don't seem to have other scumreads ...

But i am willing to acknowledge that perhaps i am tunneled and just viewing everything you do in a negative light rn

VOTE: patchwork

I'll take a break and see how i feel abt your slot like tom or something

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I had a thought that maybe empathice/dio could be partners but maybe empathice is town

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I'm having a procedure

Hope the procedure goes well

:up:

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I like this analysis by Dio. Posts like this with a summary of the game accompanied by thoughts as well as a full reads list always ping me as town. Wolves are more than capable of these types of posts but they can easily talk themselves into a corner by being so open early on. My only issue is that a couple of his reads (skitter, patchwork) seem to mimic my own but I don't necessarily find this scummy, just notable. Also I think kawaii just might be newtown. That's the vibes I'm getting so far at least

Tbh i don't find a post like that particularly townie, i think it's easy for a wolf to do/fake

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Oh good you're seeing what i'm seeing

Pedit @bbt

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Creating a reason for voting someone after being questioned about your vote. If you were town and actually hunting, you would not presuppose that something about Herta is scummy when questioned.

There would be a chance that you conflated a read on Herta with your RVS vote, however that is not what you said. You said you looked for a read on them after you were questioned.

I Don't believe TWTBAW (Too Wolfy To Be A Wolf) applies in this case either IMO.

Skitter, remember this;

I'm not saying Dion is lock town by any means, but given that he already had three votes and there are two of you already pushing that angle, I feel that would be an easy 'in' for scum to come into the game with so I'm backing off.

I feel like this fits Empathice perfectly.

also readlist coming soon

Why announce this instead of, you know, just doing it?

Bbt/kawaii townish
Maybe black too
Patchwork/empathice
You

Others are null

Couple of reads off but you're town enough for D1.

@bbt i would consider voting patch too tbh

I welcome you aboard the Patch train. Heading to scumville!

That's why i was sus of empathice originally but i think their later content is townie

And you're town too i think
You're hitting all the highlights of why i'm sus of dio

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Patchwork did you ever end up posting that readslist?

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Can you just give a very off-the-cuff label of 'town/scum' to each player in the pl without doing any rereading, analysis, etc

I'm just trying to get a sense for where you're holding

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UNVOTE:

I'm kinda itching to revote dio but i feel like it's a little too early to put anyone to e1

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Ty

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I don't really find patchwork scummy anymore tbh

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Patch is town

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Hey sorry for the sparse posting on my end, work and show prep have slammed me the last day or two

Uggh I am struggling to form reads here tbh.

I don't like the patch wagon. They read super town to me (and my fave is Luxray btw)

Weird vibes about skitter was just that, weird vibes. I didn't say she was "scummy", because I didn't necessarily have scummy vibes. If I felt 'scum', not only would I have said that, I would have voted her.

Skitter on your readlist (if I'm reading it correctly), you're labelling a bunch of people as town and the rest as null. Any people other than Dio you think are/might be mafia?

tbh if it wasn't for their procedure I'd be more sus of Herta. They do seem to be reading, but their posts are fairly innocuous questions. Also I'm wondering the motivation behind just questioning 2 of patchwork's posts, both of which are quite far apart and quite a bit before herta posted. It almost reads like someone engaging with one person in particular to idk, set up an elimination, avoid needing to engage with lots of other people, idk. Quite possibly other motivations but I'm not sure what. @Herta could you explain your reading/thinking process behind this?

But then I feel bad about this because of the procedure. But then, even with that, the posts chosen read strange to me.

Fwiw wrt herta my last scumgame they were town and i spent most of the game tunneling them for similar reasons that are being cited in this game for finding them suspicious - in short i dont think it's scum indicative for them

Dio is the main person i'm scumreading rn

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This one, particularly. I'm going to have a hard time supporting a herta push rn

And like i said above, dio js my main sr

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I agree with Dion.

Town reads on Patch because 'long post' are bad.

It's not abt the quantity of the words, but the qualitu of them

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My current is like dio + herta/hadrian

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I liked getting their unfiltered thoughts, it felt v real and raw. The frustration seems townie to me

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Black, empathice, patchwork and probably bbt are town
Dio is scum
And a partner in the remainder imo

This ia my present view of the game

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Black, empathice, patchwork and probably bbt are town
Dio is scum
And a partner in the remainder imo

This ia my present view of the game

Could you elaborate on your empathice tr?

I liked the following things:
-299 very insightful and i don't feel like it's a read a wolf would make
- dio push
- how forceful he is in sharing his views

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Black, empathice, patchwork and probably bbt are town
Dio is scum
And a partner in the remainder imo

This ia my present view of the game

Why are you so sure of me?

Your posts keep pinging me as being just 'off- - not just once or twice, but over and over and over again

I don't feel like you're solving - you have a lot of activity and are ~here a lot but tbh i don't really feel like you have solid scumreads

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Like did you even read the link or did you just have it ready to copy paste when you made your weak Dio push?

VOTE: Empathice

I don't think the dio push is bad or scummy at all tbh
I think empathice is townie on this page

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Black, empathice, patchwork and probably bbt are town
Dio is scum
And a partner in the remainder imo

This ia my present view of the game

Could you elaborate on your empathice tr?

I liked the following things:
-299 very insightful and i don't feel like it's a read a wolf would make
- dio push
- how forceful he is in sharing his views

299 is definitely something wolves do. It's called pocketing and they do it all the time

299 doesn't look to me like pocketing at all
(Or at least, not my 'normal' definition of pocketing - wdym by this term?)

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Like did you even read the link or did you just have it ready to copy paste when you made your weak Dio push?

VOTE: Empathice

I don't think the dio push is bad or scummy at all tbh
I think empathice is townie on this page

Why do you think the push is good? At least with your case you say you're getting weird vibes from Dio. Empathice admitted he doesn't get those vibes. He's pushing for an elimination over a mistake that isn't alignment indicative at all

I mean i found the mistake scummy too - he's calling out a lot of the things that i found scummy abt dio

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Why is dio being the focus of town? Pages and pages of dio being town vs. dio being scum, we need to move on, focus on someone new

What's your read on dio?

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Black, empathice, patchwork and probably bbt are town
Dio is scum
And a partner in the remainder imo

This ia my present view of the game

Why are you so sure of me?

Your posts keep pinging me as being just 'off- - not just once or twice, but over and over and over again

I don't feel like you're solving - you have a lot of activity and are ~here a lot but tbh i don't really feel like you have solid scumreads

This is pretty terrible reasoning too from someone who has me top of their scum list. In summary your read is based on vibes. You also cite me having a lot of posts but don't get the sense I'm trying to solve yet you tr patches of all people.

- i literally just don't see town when i look at your posts, they feel scummy to me
- i kinda get the sense they *want* to solve but don't have the time to atm. You keep making posts/pushes that are meaningless: voting empathice right qhen they repped in, and/or hadriaan when they said they aren't going to be here is fluff. You're not accomplishing or scumhunting or pushing anything with those votes. They look like they're there so it seems like you're doing something, but they're empty and meaningless

Like patch is being v honest abt their inability to solve right now. I feel like you're trying to look like you are, but you're not actually doing anything. You look busy

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Your posts keep pinging me as being just 'off- - not just once or twice, but over and over and over again

What feels off about what dio is posting? I feel dio feels off too but that's only a feeling, I do not believe vibes/feelings alone is sufficient enough to vote dio, we need something substantial if we do this

This is pretty terrible reasoning too from someone who has me top of their scum list. In summary your read is based on vibes. You also cite me having a lot of posts but don't get the sense I'm trying to solve yet you tr patches of all people.

Sometimes vibes/feelings is all you have to go off of, I don't think it's pretty terrible, definitely not ideal

Uh these two directly contradict each other, no?

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Black i v strongly disagree with you about empathice

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B/c a lot of what you are doing otherwise is kinda performative. On top of that, i don't think patches is scum

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Also hadrian did say they're busy irl atm and are in the 'lurker' category for most people

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Empathice replaces Simon.

VOTE: Empathice

VOTE: Dionysus

Toffee is likely powerwolfing if this hits.

Welcome to the game!

UNVOTE: Empathice

What was the point of this sequence exactly?

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Game is stagnating a bit so I'm gonna pivot to one of the lurkers.

VOTE: hadrian

You're not even voting patches, your vote is on someone you literally called a lurker

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I thought he was at e2 and i wasnt ready for e1

Per the vc that's mistaken
VOTE: dio

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Empathice replaces Simon.

VOTE: Empathice

VOTE: Dionysus

Toffee is likely powerwolfing if this hits.

Welcome to the game!

UNVOTE: Empathice

What was the point of this sequence exactly?

I've already explained this.

I voted Empathice because the slot at that point had no posts and I wanted to vote for them to encourage activity. They posted and seemed engaged so I unvoted. Why are you so fixated on this? We can use our votes in lots of ways. Applying pressure is one of those ways. If you disagree with how useful that is, fine, but that is why I did it and I don't understand why it isn't landing.

I mean dis you think he wasnt going to be active if you didnt make that vote? Like that's why it seemed performative: it didnt seem to be accomplishing anything

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Game is stagnating a bit so I'm gonna pivot to one of the lurkers.

VOTE: hadrian

You're not even voting patches, your vote is on someone you literally called a lurker

Believe me, I'd much rather flip patches atp than hadrian. But see my last post about using my vote to apply pressure. I want some content form hadrian.

So ...you're telling me that although i'm suspicious of you for having performatice votes, that should be discounted given your other legitimate pushes (i.e. patches) ... while voting for someone who's low activity that you called a lurker in order to pressure them ... ?

That doesnt really make sense to me

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I thought he was at e2 and i wasnt ready for e1

Per the vc that's mistaken
VOTE: dio

Why are you not ready for e-1 if you are convinced he's scum?

B/c there's two slots with little content and lolhammer are known to happen in newbies sometimes and i don't want the day to end without content from them two

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You're voting a lurker during your strong push on patches tho .... it kinda undercuts the strength of that push, no?

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Ok ... in what way is your patches push 'strong' ?

I would normally associate 'strong' with a vote, which is not the case here

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Why is dio being the focus of town? Pages and pages of dio being town vs. dio being scum, we need to move on, focus on someone new

Why are you voting dio rn?

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Maybe dio + kawaii

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Yes it is

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@bbt tbh i really don't know where scum is if it isnt dio

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I think throwing that down is townie
I don't want him to actually go thru with it

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What if both dio/emp = 2 scum?

actually that's a theory that's.. not impossible

I'm not sure that's very likely at all tbh

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What if both dio/emp = 2 scum?

actually that's a theory that's.. not impossible

I'm not sure that's very likely at all tbh

it makes sense

Their interaction's don't really feel partnered

And if they're partnered .... empathice can just choose to not push their partner instead of tunneling him ...

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You gave the reason in your own post.

Hadrian hasn't contributed much but they sit in your town reads. Wild.

I think Empath thinks that Thunderdoming someone will make them look town and it appears to have worked. It doesn't happen in reality and I don't think I have ever seen one actually go through in all my time on this site.

It just feels like such a wild thing for a new scum player to propose tho

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Empathice and dio's

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Yes it is

I think with the exception of one post, maybe two I'd have to check, all their posts have been about me and the push has been quite aggressive. The closest they've ever come to entertaining someone else was a fluff vote on you which was immediately retracted (no commentary from you tho on what the purpose of it was tho. Weird). But since then: Dio Dio Dio Dio. No focus elsewhere. Not interested in thinking they might be wrong. Dio Dio Dio Dio.

How is that town behaviour? Some verbose way of saying "because I agree with them" is not an acceptable answer to this question either. Tell me why they are town

Well, for one, i like he's agreeing with me
Two, i'm townreading the aggression. I don't think scum is usually *this* cocky and forceful and aggressive in pushing a flip

He's offered to gladiate you, and doesnt seem to care if we flip him so long as we flip you too ... i townread that

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It feels like you've convinced yourself Dio is scum to the point where you are jumping through hoops to find ways his posts are scummy

^^^^^^^^ like skitter whats even going on there lol, can you back up your claims with actual facts and not stretches at implications that don't exist

I mean agree to disagree, i don't think i'm 'stretching at implications that don't exist'

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Black, sorry for asking, but are you masons with Dion?

Even if you think this you shouldnt have asked this here
(Also: no scum asks this ever)

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Empathice and dio's

No Ik, I mean who do you feel is scum partnered with dio?

Oh sorry i misread the question
Someone in {kawaii, hadrian}
Offchance of bbt

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It just feels like such a wild thing for a new scum player to propose tho

didn't they say they had more than 10 games on other sites

I thought black said that but i could be misremembering

Also i'm kinda scumreading you again

Kawaii actually had p good partner equity with dio

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vla for the next few days

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Oh interesting, i didnt see him saying that

Tbh a part of why i'm townreading him so hard is that he's viewing the game p similarly to me and i know i'm town so i equate that with a town mindset

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Black, sorry for asking, but are you masons with Dion?

Are you really PR hunting rn?

You

ARE

going to die tonight. It's optimal to claim if you are masons with Dion right now because Dion's absorbing the attention of the thread.

Really, don't
And even if you have this thought you should be talking to dio, not black imo

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And black i don't think you should answer that question

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Why is dio being the focus of town? Pages and pages of dio being town vs. dio being scum, we need to move on, focus on someone new

Your posts keep pinging me as being just 'off- - not just once or twice, but over and over and over again

What feels off about what dio is posting? I feel dio feels off too but that's only a feeling, I do not believe vibes/feelings alone is sufficient enough to vote dio, we need something substantial if we do this

These two posts (made while voting him) feel v partner-y to me

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Well scum gains knowing where the pr's are
(Or narrowing it fown more)

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I don't think it's a given thay black is dying and tbh making scum nk to try to find prs is a good thing

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That's not a given tbh

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Yeah maybe i should try again to drop it ...
What do you think abt patch?

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Black have u ever seen a wolf do that in thread before ?

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Black have u ever seen a wolf do that in thread before ?

He's an experienced player in a newbie game. I'm not putting it past an experienced wolf to try to pull this off. I also can't say because this is my 2nd newbie game on the site

I have played many, many games of mafia and i can't recall ever seeing scum do what you're suggesting

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I change my mind on kawaii again, they're prob town

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I mean fwiw part of this is that ur acting rather different than 2110 and there you *weren't* pinging me like this

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Different how?

Well, last game you were solving more and didn't feel off the entire game

I could understand the point of your posts and why you were making them, and what you were trying to accomplish with them. That's why i'm having such an issue with the posts/pushes that don't seem like they're going anywhere

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Black, empathice, patchwork and probably bbt are town
Dio is scum
And a partner in the remainder imo

This ia my present view of the game

Why are you so sure of me?

Your posts keep pinging me as being just 'off- - not just once or twice, but over and over and over again

I don't feel like you're solving - you have a lot of activity and are ~here a lot but tbh i don't really feel like you have solid scumreads

Skitter, would you mind elaborating here? What scumreads of Dio's do you not like? Besides the sr on Empath

Conversely, what do you like about Empath's scumreads? And how do you feel about Empath's attempt at solving so far this game?

I feel like i've kinda answered these questions and variations on them a few times now, there isnt anything new here:

- i don't like dio's vote on empathice when he joined the game, or his vote on hadriaan while pushing patches. I feel like they are performative. I also don't like the sr on empathice

- i like empathice's sr on dio, and i'm townreading the aggression/confidence. I don't think most wolves sugggest a thunderdome, or would ask abt masons in thread. These sorts of thinga might not be *pro-town* (in fact, i would argue that they aren't), but they aren't very likely to come from scum either. I would be v surprised tbh if scum did eitther of those things. The way ge's playing is unideal, sure, but it'a hard for me to call it scum. This is at that point the main reason for the tr, it's a little less abt his dio push tbh

Also: i don't really liie the conclusions of ' there's probably scum in me/empathice' b/c i know i'm town and i think empathice is as well, and trying to flip both of us is rather unideal from my pov

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Different how?

Well, last game you were solving more and didn't feel off the entire game

I could understand the point of your posts and why you were making them, and what you were trying to accomplish with them. That's why i'm having such an issue with the posts/pushes that don't seem like they're going anywhere

Perhaps if I had some breathing room and wasn't being tunnelled from two different directions you might take a different view.

But.

I don't particularly want to continue to be the main character of day 1. I want to focus on empath now and await their answers to my latest posts.

I mean i'm trying to move on, i'm not picking apart your every post

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Also like i'm noting that you aren't reallu addressing the differences so

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vla for the next few days

I mean, sure, i'm being lazy
I don't have a ton of time, i'm limites to mobile, and quoting on mobile is a massive pain

Doing that is going to require like sitting down and dedicating like half an hour to that which i don't have today

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Which is also why i didnt really want to get into the meta b/c going to be hard to justify it, but i feel p strongly that this game doesnt look much like that one

If you want to look at like day3+ of that game you couod see he's universally townread. And earlier in the game he had controversial opinions that he was pushing too

And, like, i don't think the fact that i'm being lazy, which i will readily admit to, invalidates the points i'm mentioning either

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Oh actually fair point, forgot abt that. Either way earlier in the game you definitely felt different too

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'Scum wouldnt do this' is like the key metric for scumhunting imo. That's how i find town and my thought process when trying to read people

If you can figure out what scum won't do, and you see someone doing it anyways, they're probably town. It works

And honestly i townread the sheet audacity of offering a thunderdome: i have a really, really hard time seeing scum trying that move

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Having a mess of a timw trying to quote it in a way so that my response is readable, give me a few. The forum ate the post twice now

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- i don't like dio's vote on empathice when he joined the game, or his vote on hadriaan while pushing patches.

These votes are consistent with his playstyle. He votes inactives/lurkers and that's NAI

How do you know his playstyle? Have you played with him before? I don't recall seeing him do this last time

I feel like they are performative.

Townies are performative all the time. This isn't a scumtell

again, i don't recall seeinf him do this before + i think being performative is a lot more likely to come from scum than town. (When do you even see townies being performative)

I also don't like the sr on empathice

Do you like his sr on Kawaii? Also do you like Empathice's sr on patches?

i have no significant thoughts on either of these

- i like empathice's sr on dio, and i'm townreading the aggression/confidence.

Why don't you tr Dio for his aggression/confidence?

it isnt as extreme and doesn't feel as unlikely to come from scum
also feels less real to me

I don't think most wolves sugggest a thunderdome, or would ask abt masons in thread. These sorts of thinga might not be *pro-town* (in fact, i would argue that they aren't), but they aren't very likely to come from scum either. I would be v surprised tbh if scum did eitther of those things. The way ge's playing is unideal, sure, but it'a hard for me to call it scum. This is at that point the main reason for the tr, it's a little less abt his dio push tbh

I don't think justifying scummy behavior because "scum probably wouldn't do this" is good logic. And I disagree that wolves are unlikely to try to pull this off, especially in a newbie game where it would be much easier to try to out the Masons D1. Thunderdoming? It's too easy for a wolf to manipulate in a newbie game, and Emp never said he would go first. wolf!Emp could easy have the motive of suggesting this to clear himself, pushing for the Dio lim, and then finding a way to get out of it on D2. That's not out of the question at all

addressed this one already

Also: i don't really liie the conclusions of ' there's probably scum in me/empathice' b/c i know i'm town and i think empathice is as well, and trying to flip both of us is rather unideal from my pov

If Emp somehow flips town then your buddying will have seemed really informed tbh

1. That's v unfortunate b/c i am town
2. I don't think i'm buddying him at all
3. If he is town there'sv likely scum in people suggesting this, there's been a few of you

I'm responding in another color

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@furitive why dio

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@furitive why dio

Just seems awkward and scummy

What do u think wrt the last game?

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Skitter, who do you think has been trying to solve this game more: Dio or Empath?

Honestly neither

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This is a quote from Dio in the other game. Seem familiar?

I'm not new to mafia but I am new to this site and I think my playstyle just doesn't gel because I feel like such a noob. Everything I say seems to be wrong and draws suspicion!

I'm normally very good I swear!

He isn't playing that card here: he's just trying to move everyobe and is rolling his eyes. Like i feel like he knows how scummy he is but is trying to get people to move on by callibg it old news. I don't really feel like he's addressing the meat of the accusations against him

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Skitter, who do you think has been trying to solve this game more: Dio or Empath?

Honestly neither

Two of your main reasons for thinking Dio is scum is that a) he's not solving and b) you don't like his scumreads. Why are you not applying this same logic to Empath?

Well i like empath's scumreads ... i do feel like he can try to solve elsewhere too tho

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I like that furitive's reads align with mine but it makes me a little nervous

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I was talking abt the dio read, yes
I'm kinda reconsidering the patch tr

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No, i said that last night already

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It's not so uncommon tbh

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Skitter can you please now concede that empathice is full of it? Their push on me is based on me generating a read of herta on demand on PAGE 2 and that being indicative of a scum mindset not actually interested in solving the game. They accept my explanation for the mistake is fine. This is why they have been obsessively pushing me the whole game.

Are you for real

Uh i found that sequence of events scummy for the same reason so

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I thought it was scummy that you couldn't explain your sequence of posts but had to make up an explanation after fact - to me it looks like you weren't solving and that you were only producing the explanation behind your posts when asked b/c you hadnt really thought abt it before

We've had, like, numerous convos abt this

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I don't townread patches anymore, for the third time today ...

I've kinda dropped the p2 thing buti'm answering the question that no i don't find that read absurd

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'Scum wouldnt do this' is like the key metric for scumhunting imo. That's how i find town and my thought process when trying to read people

If you can figure out what scum won't do, and you see someone doing it anyways, they're probably town. It works

And honestly i townread the sheet audacity of offering a thunderdome: i have a really, really hard time seeing scum trying that move

isn't "scum wouldn't do this" townhunting and not scumhunting lol

Townhunting and scumhunting are two sides of the same coin

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Heya

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Heya

skitter would you be willing to vote patchwork today or are they too wholesome

I like my dio vote more but a patch vote is growing on me again

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I'm pretty null on patch and would much rather vote my main Sr tbh. This quick wagon is alarming

agreed tbh

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I'm gonna be straight up: I have zero interest in flipping anyone other than patchwork today.

I'm really not convinced they're scum + the fastwagon makes me wary

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patchwork is flailing here

I think this is town tbh

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hmph. You all know what I think, and I'll be annoyed if patchwork isn't hammered today.

And i don't like the rush

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patchwork is flailing here

I think this is town tbh

@furitive

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Furitive i feel mildly ignored :(

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Why are u so convinced they're scum again?

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I'll try to be around later, i've not read anything since i posted last

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Can i get a tldr of the last 15 pages?

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patchwork [ 4 ]

BluebloodedToffee, furtiveglance, dionysus, empathice

If patchwork flips town I feel there there is at least one wolf here

I feel like furitive might be scum here

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vanilla townies

and that's a completely hypothetical question because someone in my other game mentioned it in passing i am absolutely not outing my role

Not even at E-I?

idk i don't really have motivation rn so i'm just gonna be annoying until a) i regain my motivation b) someone quickhammers me

Town?

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Patch + one of Bewolkt/Furtive is probably the solve RN. I Can see Furtive bussing here.

Furitive bussing patch would be kinda weird imo. I don't really see this as a team

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I'm not a fan of it because it'd like to push other people honestly

Who do you want to push? I imagine dio/emp

Yes with empa as my first choice and keeping in mind that I am very wary about bbt so why not VOTE: bbt

???

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OK I am gonna potentially he a bit of a hypocrite, but as patches' other game has just ended we can now acknowledge it. In 2112 patches was town and their ISO is here: viewtopic.php?t=90446&user_select%5B%5D=36976

They are clearly trying to solve the game from the beginning in a way that they just haven't in this game yet and it is page 52. Like this is not a question of playstyle at all. Their style is very similar in both games. But in one they are hunting scum and in this one they're not.

It is now that I admit my read was partly based on meta, and I fully agree with this.

Hmmmmm
Ok that iso does look a bit different

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I agree that the iso's are different but tbh not convinced that patch is scum still. I'm kinda see-sawing on this read.

I do feel bettwe abt furitive now that i see his read is meta-based

I didnt find the bbt case v convincing tbh

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patchwork [ 4 ]

BluebloodedToffee, furtiveglance, dionysus, empathice

If patchwork flips town I feel there there is at least one wolf here

I feel like furitive might be scum here

Go on

Didnt like/understand the strength of the patch read, makes more sense now that it's established to be meta

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Fwiw i'm kinda with bbt here

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Bbt is 100% correct. 60 pages for day 1 is completely ridiculous and isn't remotely helpful for town because we have spent most of these 60 pages going in circles. It is to the point that previously active players who were away for a day or so are totally overwhelmed with the amount of content to read.

At this stage we need to go ahead with an elimination and start afresh tomorrow.

I was gone for a day and came back to 15 pages, and feel rather out of it now

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Furitive if this is town i'm pushing you tomorrow

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I feel like we should be entering yhe 'wrap it up phase' but that doesn't mean we need to end the day in the next 5 min

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To be perfectly blunt i am not convinced patch is scum but i'm ok ending the day flipping them

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I actually thought that comment was scummy

@kawaii even tho we have the time given the length of day1 i think we should wrap it up, get a flip, and start afresh tomorrow

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vla on Wednesday/thursday

Idk when day2 will start but i will not really be around on these days

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I actually thought that comment was scummy

@kawaii even tho we have the time given the length of day1 i think we should wrap it up, get a flip, and start afresh tomorrow

Why is it on kawaii to hammer? Isn't your vote still on me? You can hammer yourself

It isn't on them, i meant we shouldnt like wait for significant further analysis

I'm not confident enuf to hammer just now but if nobody does like by this evening i will

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I'm ok waiting until black can wrap up whatever she wants to do, and then ending

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I feel very confident that black/kawaii are town
Empathice and bbt are probably town

Scum is in the remainder: furitive,patch, dio, and bewolkt

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Yeah i was debating which half to put bbt in, but leaning towards town

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That flip was somewhat disappointing, and i don't understand that kill at all

I'm not really going to be around today

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Black why do you think you arent dead + how do you view the game now that empathice is known to be town

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Patch i sr you a lot tbh

Black is town, and so is bbt

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VOTE: patch

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Who are you talking abt?

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Patch i sr you a lot tbh

Black is town, and so is bbt

Why the switch?

Eod1 + entrance today

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Both od these hammers have been super annoying. Agreed it's most likely kawaii, i don't know who the partner is, but i'm leaning towards furitive

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There are no framers in newbie games

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Thanks skitter

B/c

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I'm kinda busy tonight/tomorrow
I'm only here for a minute rn

But what sort of content and i really, really don't like your patch push

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Well, if i'm alive tom, this is gonna be a fun 3way

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It was a completely different playstyle to the one I recognised so I thought patch must have been scum.

I can understand this thought process but i'm a little baffled who the second scum is and you make the most sense

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What's black's scumgame like

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I need Skitter to come into the game.

I think this is solved.

I'll be around tonight

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Alright, can I get a quick rundown of where you're at?

Gonna be honest i've had some really busy days irl and need to do some work here - i need to reread dio day2 to see what i think of it and then i'll work from there

I'm most sus of kawaii and furitive rn

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I was kinda hoping to have some more time day2, i'm really quite annoyed abt how that unfolded

Pedit that doesn't read like a green check to me tbh

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I'm not sure i like that idea

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For you not to like that idea, are you saying you think the scumteam is Me/Black?

I think there's a very good chance you're scum here and i'm wary of you proposing any sort of hammer testing

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....
Well gg scum, ty shea for modding
Thi was incredibly frustrating to play tho

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Hammer testing is just .... why

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Black and kawaii, you guys played well

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Black and kawaii, you guys played well

Although between how all three hammers went down, town lost this more than scum won this ...

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I didnt have a chance to reread dio's day2 (was going to tonight) but yeah voting in elo off of that is not great

kawaii tbh the quickhammer day2 was not super great either

If skitter and Emp are not masons then I just have a feeling they are straight up cheating. Maybe they know each other irl or something. Having this strong of a TR on a scummy player and constantly defending them is so weird to me. Like yeah I'm doing it with Dio but I know he's town lol

No, he was just that town and there was no need to flip him day1

In retrospect i gave bbt's hammer way too much of a pass

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Patch wasnt a foregone flip

But even if they were ... hammer 1 hour into a day just cuts off discussion that could have been beneficial

Also empathice was townie and like we should jave ended on patch day1 ... unfortunately like all the bursts of activity this game happened while i wasnt around

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I would have if i was online for like another 30 min, i wasnt expecting to need to be wary of a quickhammer within the like 2 hours i wasnt online

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All three times ...