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usesPython · Post Post #910 (isolation #200) » Mon May 01, 2023 9:54 pm

In post 905, Doctor Drew wrote:
In post 586, usesPython In Fire and Ice, not this game wrote:
In post 554, Doctor Drew wrote: Post Edit: Have decided my role based off another player not really commenting on my slot.

Hey python, I interacted with Furt now, so they can't be my scum buddy right?
Can we swap the Bulge/Drew scumteam wagon from Bulge to Drew? This is not townie behaviour:

Drew tr's Bulge in 534

Drew/Bulge solve gets pushed with a Bulge wagon

Drew starts defending
himself

If you actually tr Bulge you should be defending Bulge as the town you think they are because Bulge flipping town puts you at 0 risk of getting wagoned, why are you putting all your effort to discredit the Bulge/Drew connection instead?

VOTE: Drew

-A
This is the best post to from that game to illustrate what I mean(there is a whole string of posts similar in vain).

ScumPython here is saying that town should act a certain way, and if they are not acting in the way they believe.....must mean scum.

The same flawed logic I am seeing here.

No actually I'm genuinely wondering how you're getting these meta reads from my d1 play that game because:

I was genuinely trying to lim scum d1
In post 32, usesPython from Open 876 Ice Mafia PT wrote: Dragon was limbait, I'd rather
Fire Mafia
get limmed instead of
Town
today
I genuinely thought Drew/Bulge were Fire Mafia that game
In post 33, Aureal from Open 876 Ice Mafia PT wrote: Who are you actually suspecting, then? Basically everything I'm saying so far is what I'm thinking, but I know my reads are lousy. XD

In post 34, usesPython from Open 876 Ice Mafia PT wrote: Drew/Bulge

usesPython · Mon May 01, 2023 10:41 pm

In post 911, JasonWazza wrote: @Python, if mislim is scum, who do you think their partner is?

Sort by Ctrl-F mentions, become partner hunting expert is pointing me towards Drew/Merlyn/Jason

Doctor Drew_ClarkBar associatives are pretty bad since pretty much any time Clark was mentioned it was as part of Mislim defending them and going after Mint for sring them and there's a gaping lack of Mislim-Drew interactions or any sort of attempt to sort each other on both sides
I tr Jason
With Merlyn they've had the type of interactions this whole game that I think is difficult for S/S to do consistently and there at least seems to be an attempt to sort Mislim from Merlyns side

So Mislim/Drew makes sense to me

usesPython · Mon May 01, 2023 10:44 pm

Like even with the d2 Mislim/Python 1v1 Drew's pretty much ignored anything Mislim posted and only talked about me and while sure that could be explained by knowing my meta and not knowing Mislim's it's still sus as hell to pretty much have 0 comments on Mislim there

usesPython · Post Post #917 (isolation #203) » Tue May 02, 2023 1:51 am

In post 916, eektor wrote: I'm leaning towards python and Mislim is TvT. If that's the case, then Alianna's behavior has been pretty suspect end of day 1 and I did not like the idea of her coming in day 2 and voting without much thought to it.

VOTE: Alianna

It's 4 votes to lim, who do you think will join you on the Alianna wagon? Pretty much the only people treating this as TvT is you and Merlyn

usesPython · Post Post #921 (isolation #204) » Tue May 02, 2023 4:44 am

In post 920, Merlyn wrote: Actually, who do you think is the fourth mislim vote, Python? It would be really weird if Drew joined you after he sussed you so hard.

You or eektor as a deadline lim, if an Alianna wagon goes through I'd expect it to be from eektor/Merlyn/Mislim/Drew

usesPython · Post Post #922 (isolation #205) » Tue May 02, 2023 5:44 am

Actually can we skip the "oh I'm not moving from this wagon" posturing that'll be going on for the next 5 days and just get an ordered list of preferred lims. I'll start

Mislim Bait (Really want)
Drew (Ok with)
Alianna (Don't want but will vote here if the alternative is no-lim)

usesPython · Tue May 02, 2023 10:49 am

In post 923, Doctor Drew wrote: I didn't really comment on Mislim because the came off as way more towny then you Python, so I more focused on your scumminess.

And it doesn't matter that Fire and Ice was multiball, you are imploring very similar tactics as you did as scumPython did in that game.

Even this move putting yourself up for possible elim is similar to your little gambit in Fire and Ice where you said you would be fine to get limmed if I(or Bulge) didn't flip scum.

Tonally, you are almost identical.

I would prefer Python goes, but I can settle for Aliana.

Tactics and tonally it's identical because there I was pushing who I thought was scum and here I'm pushing who I think is scum, I don't think it's a hard concept to grasp and frankly I don't think town!Drew has this much trouble figuring this out after it's already been pointed out

usesPython · Tue May 02, 2023 10:53 am

Also current d2 prediction: Both scum will put Alianna in the "will settle" pool, Alianna gets compromise limmed and flips green, and we'll still be stuck with this 1v1

usesPython · Tue May 02, 2023 11:04 am

In post 926, Merlyn wrote:
In post 925, usesPython wrote: Also current d2 prediction: Both scum will put Alianna in the "will settle" pool, Alianna gets compromise limmed and flips green, and we'll still be stuck with this 1v1
If you're predicting that she flips green, she really shouldn't be in your limpool. You can't think of 1 more person that makes your top three lists of suspects that you won't predict is likely town, it's just definitely mislim and drew?

In post 922, usesPython wrote: Alianna (Don't want but will vote here if the alternative is no-lim)

Jason

Merlyn

Alianna

/

eektor

Drew

Mislim

usesPython · Tue May 02, 2023 11:11 am

In post 929, Merlyn wrote: If I'm understanding the multiball part correctly, python had to hunt another scum team in order to win even though they were scum themselves, right?

Correct, FaI is balanced around a

33

/

33

/

33

Town/Fire Mafia/Ice Mafia winrate, getting a d1 scum lim brings the winrates to like

50

/

33

/

15

in favor of the scum that didnt get limmed

In post 930, Merlyn wrote:
In post 927, JasonWazza wrote: I mean, it's the only wagon going and compromise might have to happen, would you rather Python says that she'd prefer a no lim?

Personal preference is to stay in the 1v1 between Mislim and Python
In post 928, usesPython wrote: Jason
Merlyn
Alianna/eektor
Drew
Mislim
What I would prefer is that Python didn't have Alianna on this list as yellow and also be saying they predict Alianna will flip green. You don't think that's unhelpful?

It's a gamestate read, if a person in my yellow list gets compromise limmed today it's scum hoping to push this to ELO

usesPython · Tue May 02, 2023 11:16 am

In post 933, Doctor Drew wrote: Congrats you passed the test, thanks for participating Python.

I feel confident it is TvT.

I intend to hammer Aliana.

In post 925, usesPython wrote: Also current d2 prediction: Both scum will put Alianna in the "will settle" pool, Alianna gets compromise limmed and flips green, and we'll still be stuck with this 1v1

usesPython · Tue May 02, 2023 11:17 am

Yeah no I'm not limming outside of Mislim/Drew today after that

usesPython · Tue May 02, 2023 11:23 am

Also new prediction for the rest of the game if Alianna gets limmed today: nightkills are Python/Jason in that order and Mislim endgames because the only people still alive think it's TvT

usesPython · Tue May 02, 2023 11:29 am

In post 941, JasonWazza wrote: Python, you don't have anything that can speed us along to a better solution do you?

wdym? I already solved the game

usesPython · Tue May 02, 2023 11:31 am

In post 942, Doctor Drew wrote: Also, thought I read Aliana was at E-1

If Alianna flips red who's her partner?

usesPython · Tue May 02, 2023 11:37 am

In post 946, Doctor Drew wrote:
In post 945, usesPython wrote:
In post 942, Doctor Drew wrote: Also, thought I read Aliana was at E-1
If Alianna flips red who's her partner?
Oh God, are you trying to get me to go back to scum reading you?

I already fell down that trap a bit on D1, now I am just going to focus on today's lim then go from there.

It's called a hypothetical, there's only 7 people still alive which means you'd only need to consider 5 partners. This thought experiment ain't some big ask

usesPython · Tue May 02, 2023 11:39 am

In post 947, Merlyn wrote: Are you...and I mean this in the nicest possible way, Drew...drunk right now? Because that post was bonkers. I don't know what I think of it. I mean, I'll start with why Alianna, when the last thing you (very recently!) said about her was 'not feeling good but not enough info' and now thought you were about to hammer her?

No the progression is theoretically fine

In post 899, Doctor Drew wrote: I really feel it is scumPythin here, but don't want to be influenced by emotions from another game where they were scum, so will let it stew a bit.

But my as promised my reads, in tier form, are:

Won't elim today:
Merlyn
eektor

Won't elim, but tinfoil could say otherwise:
Jason
Miselim

The need more info from Aliana, but not feeling too good about her tier:
Aliana

Fool me once:
Python

usesPython · Tue May 02, 2023 11:39 am

actually why's eektor in your townpile?

usesPython · Tue May 02, 2023 11:41 am

The real issue at hand with Drew here is having only 1 scumread by d2 and the rest being either town or self-admitted tinfoil

usesPython · Tue May 02, 2023 11:50 am

In post 957, Alianna wrote:
In post 926, Merlyn wrote:
In post 925, usesPython wrote: Also current d2 prediction: Both scum will put Alianna in the "will settle" pool, Alianna gets compromise limmed and flips green, and we'll still be stuck with this 1v1
If you're predicting that she flips green, she really shouldn't be in your limpool. You can't think of 1 more person that makes your top three lists of suspects that you won't predict is likely town, it's just definitely mislim and drew?
Not just that, but Python said they'd settle, like, three posts before that.

Are people not reading the part where I say I don't want the lim but will hammer if the alternative is a no-elim?

usesPython · Tue May 02, 2023 11:54 am

In post 956, Doctor Drew wrote: PoE mainly, I can't really think of anyone else to be scummy enough to vote for, and yes I would like to hear more from her, but she seems to be ignoring this game and we do seem to be going in circles here.

scumposting

In post 960, Alianna wrote: Maybe I'm misinterpreting what you mean by "will settle"?

what Jason said

usesPython · Tue May 02, 2023 11:57 am

In post 962, usesPython wrote:
In post 956, Doctor Drew wrote: PoE mainly, I can't really think of anyone else to be scummy enough to vote for, and yes I would like to hear more from her, but she seems to be ignoring this game and we do seem to be going in circles here.
scumposting

Like if you literally have no one else that you consider scummy enough to vote for what have you been doing this game as town

In post 963, Alianna wrote: That's exactly what you said you would do and what you said you thought both scum were going to do though.

wtf do you want me to do in that situation, vote no-elim and have MeLo spent arguing why you should be limmed?

usesPython · Tue May 02, 2023 11:59 am

In post 935, usesPython wrote:
In post 933, Doctor Drew wrote: Congrats you passed the test, thanks for participating Python.

I feel confident it is TvT.

I intend to hammer Aliana.

In post 925, usesPython wrote: Also current d2 prediction: Both scum will put Alianna in the "will settle" pool, Alianna gets compromise limmed and flips green, and we'll still be stuck with this 1v1

In post 938, usesPython wrote: Yeah no I'm not limming outside of Mislim/Drew today after that

Also did you miss this part or something?

usesPython · Tue May 02, 2023 9:14 pm

In post 971, eektor wrote: @Python is the only reason why you would vote for Dr. Drew is because you think he is the most likely partner for Mislim or you think he is scummy as well?

No he's independently scummy as well

In post 1002, Alianna wrote: I've been WIFOMing over Drew's slot for the last hour, but I'm leaning town.
What's the scum thought process behind posting that readslist with Python as his only real SR (899), pushing them with that test, and then just...absolving them? I don't see it. That whole progression makes more sense as genuine town sorting imo.

Spoiler: the quotes for easy reference
In post 899, Doctor Drew wrote: I really feel it is scumPythin here, but don't want to be influenced by emotions from another game where they were scum, so will let it stew a bit.

But my as promised my reads, in tier form, are:

Won't elim today:
Merlyn
eektor

Won't elim, but tinfoil could say otherwise:
Jason
Miselim

The need more info from Aliana, but not feeling too good about her tier:
Aliana

Fool me once:
Python

In post 904, Doctor Drew wrote:
In post 903, Merlyn wrote:
In post 902, Doctor Drew wrote: Again as I said in my little recap, I saw scumPython say a similar thing in Fire and Ice in regards to me supposedly defending another player(not an exact comparison, but the tone and wording was the same).
I went and looked this game up, and I haven't read it all cause it's like 80 pages but it seemed kind of a weird game to do meta on Python with? Like they were attacked so much by a really rude guy that they replaced out in frustration. So not only were they probably not playing the way they normally do, they weren't in the game to completion.
Before all that, they came after me. I will try to find specifically what I am referencing.

In post 905, Doctor Drew wrote:
In post 586, usesPython In Fire and Ice, not this game wrote:
In post 554, Doctor Drew wrote: Post Edit: Have decided my role based off another player not really commenting on my slot.

Hey python, I interacted with Furt now, so they can't be my scum buddy right?
Can we swap the Bulge/Drew scumteam wagon from Bulge to Drew? This is not townie behaviour:

Drew tr's Bulge in 534

Drew/Bulge solve gets pushed with a Bulge wagon

Drew starts defending
himself

If you actually tr Bulge you should be defending Bulge as the town you think they are because Bulge flipping town puts you at 0 risk of getting wagoned, why are you putting all your effort to discredit the Bulge/Drew connection instead?

VOTE: Drew

-A
This is the best post to from that game to illustrate what I mean(there is a whole string of posts similar in vain).

ScumPython here is saying that town should act a certain way, and if they are not acting in the way they believe.....must mean scum.

The same flawed logic I am seeing here.

In post 923, Doctor Drew wrote: I didn't really comment on Mislim because the came off as way more towny then you Python, so I more focused on your scumminess.

And it doesn't matter that Fire and Ice was multiball, you are imploring very similar tactics as you did as scumPython did in that game.

Even this move putting yourself up for possible elim is similar to your little gambit in Fire and Ice where you said you would be fine to get limmed if I(or Bulge) didn't flip scum.

Tonally, you are almost identical.

I would prefer Python goes, but I can settle for Aliana.

In post 933, Doctor Drew wrote: Congrats you passed the test, thanks for participating Python.

I feel confident it is TvT.

I intend to hammer Aliana.

In post 942, Doctor Drew wrote: I wanted to push Python because of Fire and Ice, and thought I could use specifics from that game because I thought their case on me in that game was just scum pushing town for a dumb reason, which I thought I saw Python doing to Mislim here.

But when I read that Python actually was scum reading me in that game I was like 'lets see how they react if I still push him using a bit of flawed logic'. Definitely was a bit of a drunken Drew idea lol, but thought it might be funand their reaction was more calm and logical then I expected, since I was scum reading them. I expected scumPython to really come at me harder. And while I don't agree with them about Mislim, I don't think they are scum either.

Also, thought I read Aliana was at E-1

Why are you assuming that was an actual test instead of a push that he realized wouldn't work?

In post 1023, Doctor Drew wrote: But logic, there is that silly word again, said that if Python is town....then Mislim is basically lock town as well(with bad reads by Python)

My guy if you think my reads aren't based on anything solid when I'm genuinely scumhunting then statistically they'll be =rand and you might as well throw dice to decide if Mislim is locktown. This kind of shit is why I don't think you're scumhunting but instead just giving a reason not to be on the Mislim wagon

usesPython · Tue May 02, 2023 9:16 pm

In post 1033, usesPython wrote: Why are you assuming that was an actual test instead of a push that he realized wouldn't work?

Or even just a reason to give a Mislim tr so that they can get on a counterwagon and let Mislim deepwolf until endgame after killing all the people who don't think it's TvT

usesPython · Tue May 02, 2023 11:24 pm

In post 1037, Mislim Bait wrote:
In post 940, usesPython wrote: Also new prediction for the rest of the game if Alianna gets limmed today: nightkills are Python/Jason in that order and Mislim endgames because the only people still alive think it's TvT
Scumslip? LMAO

there's only 1 night kill if alianna is town because then it would be elo next day
Only 2 if she's scum

This is also such a fake thought python actually thinks that scum would prioritize killing him over the pr hunt

Alianna lim -> Python nightkill -> Your partner gets limmed -> Jason nightkill -> Town mislim

usesPython · Tue May 02, 2023 11:27 pm

Also the PR hunt is only there because claiming a PR either confirms the person or forces a 1v1, if everyone alive thinks it's TvT there's literally no reason for either of us to be alive unless it's either scum or scum think we misvote in ELO

usesPython · Tue May 02, 2023 11:28 pm

Like wtf is Mason/FN/Doc/JK/Tracker with no red results gonna do in 5p ELO, literally the only PR scum need to worry about is Cop

usesPython · Tue May 02, 2023 11:39 pm

In post 1041, Mislim Bait wrote:
In post 1040, usesPython wrote: Like wtf is Mason/FN/Doc/JK/Tracker with no red results gonna do in 5p ELO, literally the only PR scum need to worry about is Cop
You literally just made up a scenario where 1 of my partner is limmed

It doesn't matter at that point if theres no red if it's f3 with a pr an alive check
I'm toast

like wth are even this thoughts

The alive check only matters if it's a red check or if it's from cop, wtf is this argument

usesPython · Tue May 02, 2023 11:42 pm

Like you'd have a point if the alive check happened after the lim but in that case scum will just holster and give 0 info to tracker/JK anyways

usesPython · Tue May 02, 2023 11:46 pm

If it's cop then scum have to PR hunt
If it's tracker/JK scum holster and give 0 info
If it's FN/Doc/Mason then the only value of their role is in being clear in which case the lim is decided by who'll throw the game

usesPython · Tue May 02, 2023 11:47 pm

and since 5p ELO is gonna massclaim anyways scum will know what's optimal to do

usesPython · Tue May 02, 2023 11:49 pm

In post 1041, Mislim Bait wrote:
In post 1040, usesPython wrote: Like wtf is Mason/FN/Doc/JK/Tracker with no red results gonna do in 5p ELO, literally the only PR scum need to worry about is Cop
You literally just made up a scenario where 1 of my partner is limmed

It doesn't matter at that point if theres no red if it's f3 with a pr an alive check
I'm toast

like wth are even this thoughts

Also you're making a pretty critical assumption that Jason and I are both VT and I don't vibe with that mindset

usesPython · Tue May 02, 2023 11:52 pm

In post 1049, usesPython wrote: Also you're making a pretty critical assumption that Jason and I are both VT and I don't vibe with that mindset

Like if you're correct in that assumption I think it says a lot more about you than about me, namely Rolecop game

usesPython · Tue May 02, 2023 11:53 pm

Like realistically speaking in a rolecop game I'd have absolutely rolecopped Jason after d1 with the pr hunting blowups, thanks for the perspective slip though

usesPython · Wed May 03, 2023 12:05 am

In post 1053, Mislim Bait wrote:
In post 1008, JasonWazza wrote: I mean they have better looking reads then you do right now which is everyone is town except Alianna.

Like you trying to write off Python's reads just makes me think your scum even more.
This sudden aggressiveness from jason came out of nowhere

like what do you even think drew should do here? Python literally scumreads drew
Is drew suppose to agree with python that they're scum?

Drew literally has a single scumread and that's POE, literally his reads are worse than happys rn because no reads > drews reads

usesPython · Wed May 03, 2023 12:17 am

and also that's not even what's being talked about since it's the nonsense "Python town therefore Mislim town because Python thinks they're scum" read that Drew had

usesPython · Wed May 03, 2023 12:21 am

In post 1055, usesPython wrote: and also that's not even what's being talked about since it's the nonsense "Python town therefore Mislim town because Python thinks they're scum" read that Drew had

No wait got the posts out of order, yeah it's the "Everyone is POE town except Alianna" thing

usesPython · Wed May 03, 2023 12:50 am

In post 1058, Mislim Bait wrote: I don't know whats so hard to understand about not trusting the person who reads you wrong.

If drew is town then he knows for sure that you're 100% wrong
Anything is literally better than that

In that case town!Drew would know I'm wrong about him, what about the 5 other people still alive that I have reads on?

usesPython · Wed May 03, 2023 12:52 am

Like you're making this big deal about how Jason is pushing this and that Drew shouldn't trust my reads but I don't understand how

you

don't see a problem where you POE 5 people other than yourself to be town

usesPython · Wed May 03, 2023 1:13 am

In post 1062, Mislim Bait wrote:
In post 1060, usesPython wrote:
In post 1058, Mislim Bait wrote: I don't know whats so hard to understand about not trusting the person who reads you wrong.

If drew is town then he knows for sure that you're 100% wrong
Anything is literally better than that
In that case town!Drew would know I'm wrong about him, what about the 5 other people still alive that I have reads on?
So okay if drew is town and I'm scum then who is my partner?

The rest of your reads are literally all built just from a me/drew scumteam

Drew literally said he's not partner hunting d2, this aint the gotcha you think it is

usesPython · Wed May 03, 2023 1:15 am

In post 1062, Mislim Bait wrote: The rest of your reads are literally all built just from a me/drew scumteam

In post 928, usesPython wrote:
Jason

Merlyn

Alianna
/
eektor

Drew

Mislim

Also didn't realise Alianna and eektor were yellow, guess I should move everyone but you/Drew to the green

usesPython · Wed May 03, 2023 1:16 am

Me acknowledging that Alianna and eektor have been scummy outside the Mislim/Drew thing can't be me, I'd never do that

usesPython · Wed May 03, 2023 1:19 am

In post 1064, Mislim Bait wrote: just answer the damn question

No but literally this aint the gotcha you think it is, if Drew isn't partner hunting d2 then it shouldn't matter to him who your possible partner is when deciding whether to vote you or not and the actual argument here was that Drew should completely throw out every read I have (Including the scumread on you) because I scumread him

usesPython · Wed May 03, 2023 1:20 am

In post 1068, Mislim Bait wrote: Oh dumbass me town!Drew should've sheeped town god python after reading drew wrong
After all town god python cant be wrong twice right?

town!Drew doesn't exist this game but go off

usesPython · Wed May 03, 2023 1:22 am

Also thank you for the advice, I will make sure to ignore you from now on because you think I'm scum

usesPython · Wed May 03, 2023 1:22 am

In post 1070, Mislim Bait wrote:
In post 1067, usesPython wrote:
In post 1064, Mislim Bait wrote: just answer the damn question
No but literally this aint the gotcha you think it is, if Drew isn't partner hunting d2 then it shouldn't matter to him who your possible partner is when deciding whether to vote you or not and the actual argument here was that Drew should completely throw out every read I have (Including the scumread on you) because I scumread him
alright but I want to know regardless.
idk why you're stalling

You don't have a backup plan in case you're wrong?
oh wait you're town god I'm a dumbass ofc you're 100% confident

My guy it's literally a Mislim/Drew game for, idk what you want from me

usesPython · Wed May 03, 2023 1:23 am

In post 1072, usesPython wrote: My guy it's literally a Mislim/Drew game for
me
, idk what you want from me

EBWOP

usesPython · Wed May 03, 2023 1:25 am

You're literally asking me to make up reads here, wtf did you expect me to say

usesPython · Wed May 03, 2023 1:28 am

and also still missing the point that Drews worldview doesn't require him to throw out my entire readslist and that this whole argument started with you having a problem with Jason calling out Drew for POEing 5 other people as town

usesPython · Wed May 03, 2023 1:31 am

In post 1077, Mislim Bait wrote:
In post 1075, usesPython wrote: You're literally asking me to make up reads here, wtf did you expect me to say
You can't even worldbuild another scumteam without one of drew or me in it
and you said that you're suspicious of eektor and alianna?

You're my top scumread with a Mislim/Drew solve, if I'm wrong I'm shooting inside Alianna/eektor

usesPython · Wed May 03, 2023 1:39 am

Mislim/Alianna no, partner equity just isn't there from what I remember
Mislim/eektor lemme ISO

usesPython · Wed May 03, 2023 1:42 am

Mislim/eektor has terrible partner equity, I'd put eektor in the green if you flipped red ngl

usesPython · Wed May 03, 2023 1:45 am

In post 1082, Mislim Bait wrote: So you haven't even checked my partner equity with other people you're suspicious of before this

just because drew is more blatant with their TR on me you immediately called us the scumteam
good to know

In post 912, usesPython wrote:
In post 911, JasonWazza wrote: @Python, if mislim is scum, who do you think their partner is?

Sort by Ctrl-F mentions, become partner hunting expert
is pointing me towards Drew/Merlyn/Jason

Doctor Drew_ClarkBar associatives are pretty bad since pretty much any time Clark was mentioned it was as part of Mislim defending them and going after Mint for sring them and there's a gaping lack of Mislim-Drew interactions or any sort of attempt to sort each other on both sides

I tr Jason

With Merlyn they've had the type of interactions this whole game that I think is difficult for S/S to do consistently and there at least seems to be an attempt to sort Mislim from Merlyns side

So Mislim/Drew makes sense to me

Like I did partner hunting because I got asked to and stopped after I found a strong candidate. If I didn't find anything I'd have expanded to the rest of the playerlist

usesPython · Wed May 03, 2023 1:48 am

Also are you forgetting that eektor and Merlyn were also TRing you?

usesPython · Wed May 03, 2023 2:00 am

In post 1085, Mislim Bait wrote: Anyways from your pov then my only partner if I'm scum is drew?

If you flip red and Drew flips green I'd be limming inside eektor/Merlyn, I really doubt I'll need to though

usesPython · Wed May 03, 2023 2:21 am

In post 1088, eektor wrote:
In post 1086, usesPython wrote:
In post 1085, Mislim Bait wrote: Anyways from your pov then my only partner if I'm scum is drew?
If you flip red and Drew flips green I'd be limming inside eektor/Merlyn, I really doubt I'll need to though
If Mislim flips green, who would you be pushing? Dr. Drew?

You or Alianna probably, when it comes to ELO it doesn't matter if you're right if you can't force the lim through so I'd rather go for a lower% that can actually get limmed over Drew who I don't think can get limmed in 5p ELO

usesPython · Wed May 03, 2023 2:35 am

In post 1092, eektor wrote: If Mislim is green, you think it will be Dr. Drew with a partner of me or Alianna?

I havent partner hunted Drew outside of the Mislim/Drew connection yet, the Mislim green ELO is more POE where I don't really wanna lim Merlyn/Jason and don't think I have the votes to lim Drew

usesPython · Wed May 03, 2023 4:30 am

In post 1095, Merlyn wrote: Okay. I've been thinking about this for too many hours now, and I think the choice has to between mislim and drew. I think that because the only thing drew has really done that's concerning is his gambit/half gambit/half real readlist, but the only reason I can think of scum!Drew doing all this is to distract us from mislim. So a mislim flip really helps me know what to think about Drew. Likewise, a mislim flip helps me know whether I'm right to trust python's reads on folks. On the other side, a drew flip would help me know if I'm right to trust python and Jason's reads, and also whether or not to suspect he was covering for mislim.

I would prefer a drew lim because I just have this feeling that mislim is town. I do recognize though that it may be better for the game to lim mislim because of the all the potential info we draw from it.

I'm gonna VOTE: Doctor Drew, and I will switch to mislim if the consensus is they're the better choice. And...I think that's it for my limpool today.

If the only reason you're limming Drew is because of the Drew/Mislim associatives then you should either be limming Mislim or shooting elsewhere. If Mislim flips green then Drew wasn't covering for Mislim in which case why are you limming there, if Mislim flips red then Drew's an easy lim. If you think Mislim is town why are you limming Drew for Drew/Mislim associatives?

usesPython · Wed May 03, 2023 4:36 am

In post 1095, Merlyn wrote: Okay. I've been thinking about this for too many hours now, and I think the choice has to between mislim and drew. I think that because the only thing drew has really done that's concerning is his gambit/half gambit/half real readlist, but the only reason I can think of scum!Drew doing all this is to distract us from mislim. So a mislim flip really helps me know what to think about Drew. Likewise, a mislim flip helps me know whether I'm right to trust python's reads on folks. On the other side, a drew flip would help me know if I'm right to trust python and Jason's reads, and also whether or not to suspect he was covering for mislim.

Like legitimately how do you write this and then vote Drew over Mislim

usesPython · Wed May 03, 2023 5:21 am

If you think he's covering for Mislim and that's the only reason you're voting for him then that's the reason to be voting Mislim and not Drew

usesPython · Wed May 03, 2023 9:05 am

In post 1102, Doctor Drew wrote: Personally I feel more comfortable limming between Alianna and eektor, the two people who have participated the least in the whole Python/Mislim/Drew conundrum.

In post 925, usesPython wrote: Also current d2 prediction: Both scum will put Alianna in the "will settle" pool, Alianna gets compromise limmed and flips green, and we'll still be stuck with this 1v1

In post 1103, Doctor Drew wrote: And how dare you use the yellow m&m without my permission lol

usesPython · Wed May 03, 2023 9:08 am

In post 1102, Doctor Drew wrote: Merlyn, objectively speaking limning Mislim gives much more info than limming me.

Yeah that's why I'm not getting why Merlyn's voting you over Mislim with their stated reasoning

usesPython · Wed May 03, 2023 9:14 am

In post 1103, Doctor Drew wrote: Post Edit: Lulz all protecting Mislim amirite?

In post 1106, Doctor Drew wrote: I am not settling for Alianna, I thinks she or eektor is most likely to flip red.

You are making my point here Python.

Pointing it out doesn't change the fact that you're still doing it

usesPython · Wed May 03, 2023 9:17 am

Like sure maybe town!Drew wants to lim in eektor/Alianna but the end result is that you're still moving it away from a Mislim lim and scum!Drew has reason to do that in a Mislim/Drew game

usesPython · Wed May 03, 2023 11:10 pm

Don't let drunk drew distract you from the fact that Mislim is scum

usesPython · Thu May 04, 2023 3:01 am

In post 1127, Merlyn wrote:
In post 1126, usesPython wrote: Don't let drunk drew distract you from the fact that Mislim is scum
Why are you fighting the vote change so hard? You said it's mislim/drew, you said you've solved the game. Why does it matter so much to you who goes first?

I'm more confident in Mislim being scum than I am in Drew being scum

usesPython · Thu May 04, 2023 3:05 am

In post 1130, Merlyn wrote: I actually want to say one more thing to this. Jason, what makes me a probable scum partner of mislim in your mind? If it's that I was scum in the other game we were playing I don't feel like that's good enough.

I mean, you're also the 2^nd most likely Mislim partner behind Drew for me. Associatives wise I only gave you a macro level pass due to the number of interactions but on a micro level all of them could have been done in a Mislim/Merlyn game

usesPython · Thu May 04, 2023 3:12 am

In post 1132, Merlyn wrote: You seemed pretty confident...

It's a 90% scum vs 80% scum sort of thing

usesPython · Thu May 04, 2023 3:15 am

In post 1133, Merlyn wrote: I'm ready to lim either Drew or Mislim today, I think I'll learn a lot from either.

Then go put your vote back on Mislim so that Jason can give intent, I'd rather not drag this out to the deadline for no reason

usesPython · Thu May 04, 2023 3:39 am

In post 1136, Merlyn wrote: 80% confident is a lot, why don't you put your vote on Doctor Drew if you'd rather not drag anything out? He'd be at E-1 then.

90% > 80% and both lims can go through today, it'd be weirder for me to lim Drew here than it would to lim Mislim

usesPython · Thu May 04, 2023 9:21 am

btw Drew did you ever explain why you're voting Mislim?

usesPython · Thu May 04, 2023 7:57 pm

In post 1161, Mislim Bait wrote: How tf did everything went to shit after I got busy for awhile
Even the people who TRed me are voting me for shit like better info?

Well here's your fckin info
I'm Tracker
N1 on python
I've already asked the host if scum can multitask and they do
I thought I got outed after I hammered happy when they started softing pr
I wouldn't have revealed my n1 info here but I think python is just goon here and their partner both did the nk and pr action so that there's less risk of getting caught

No CC

	A	B	C
Mafia	Mafia Roleblocker	Mafia Rolecop	Mafia Goon
Row 1	Town Cop and Town Doctor	Town Tracker and Town Friendly Neighbor	Town Cop and Vanilla Townie
Row 2	Town Jailkeeper and Town Tracker	Town Jailkeeper and Town Friendly Neighbor	Town Jailkeeper and Vanilla Townie
Row 3	Town Mason and Town Mason	Town Tracker and Town Doctor	Town Mason and Town Mason

We're in one of A2/B1/B2/B3/C2, if Mislim is tracker then B1/A2/B3, if Mislim is scum then B2/C2. If we think it's B2 we can ask if anyone was visited by a friendly neighbor so that Jailkeeper can cc, if it's C2 then Tracker is a safe claim

In a C game Tracker is the optimal claim because C1 it outs cop, C2 it's a safe claim, C3 it doesn't matter what PR you claim.
In a B game Tracker is the optimal claim because B1 it outs tracker, B2 it's a safe claim until ELO/FN visits JK, B3 it outs tracker. Even in B3 you can't claim Doctor to try for a doc cc because you risk B1/B2 where a VT visited by FN cc's you
In an A game Tracker is the optimal claim because A1 it outs the cop (and the doc doesn't matter because you just roleblock the cop), A2 it outs the tracker, A3 it doesn't matter what PR you claim.

Also just gonna drop this here if anyone is confused about whether they should be ccing, yes I was scum that game but the mech in that post is still accurate

Spoiler: long tracker cc guide I wrote in an old game

In post 621, usesPython from Newbie 2115 not this game wrote:
READ THIS EVEN IF YOU'RE VT

Newbie Setup
Newbie Setup

NewD3 (as designed by RadiantCowbells):

A B C

Mafia
Mafia Roleblocker
Mafia Rolecop
Mafia Goon

Row 1
Town Cop and Town Doctor
Town Tracker
and Town Friendly Neighbor
Town Cop and Vanilla Townie

Row 2
Town Jailkeeper and
Town Tracker
Town Jailkeeper and Town Friendly Neighbor
Town Jailkeeper and Vanilla Townie

Row 3
Town Mason and Town Mason
Town Tracker
and Town Doctor
Town Mason and Town Mason

Each Newbie Game will be given a setup that incorporates one mafia role from the top of a column, and then two town roles from a row below the selected mafia role. The remaining six roles will be filled in by
one mafia goon
and
five vanilla townies
appropriately, to create a
2-mafia
and
7-town
setup.

All Newbie games use the Natural Action Resolution system for determining Night action effects.
Mafia Roleblocker
action takes precedence over a
Town Jailkeeper
action should that apply.

Mafia are able to communicate in their Private Topic at all times.

Spoiler: Full Setups
Column A & Row 1:
Mafia Roleblocker, Mafia Goon, Town Cop, Town Doctor, Vanilla Townie x 5

Column A & Row 2:
Mafia Roleblocker, Mafia Goon, Town Jailkeeper, Town Tracker, Vanilla Townie x 5

Column A & Row 3:
Mafia Roleblocker, Mafia Goon, Town Mason x2, Vanilla Townie x 5

Column B & Row 1:
Mafia Rolecop, Mafia Goon, Town Tracker, Town Friendly Neighbor, Vanilla Townie x 5

Column B & Row 2:
Mafia Rolecop, Mafia Goon, Town Jailkeeper, Town Friendly Neighbor, Vanilla Townie x 5

Column B & Row 3:
Mafia Rolecop, Mafia Goon, Town Tracker, Town Doctor, Vanilla Townie x 5

Column C & Row 1:
Mafia Goon x 2, Town Cop, Vanilla Townie x 6

Column C & Row 2:
Mafia Goon x 2, Town Jailkeeper, Vanilla Townie x 6

Column C & Row 3:
Mafia Goon x 2, Town Mason x2, Vanilla Townie x 5

There are six possible town PR's in NewD3: Jailkeeper, Cop, Mason, Tracker, Doctor, Friendly Neighbor

Spoiler: When should Jailkeeper cc?

A B C

Mafia
Mafia Roleblocker
Mafia Rolecop
Mafia Goon

Row 1
Town Cop and Town Doctor
Town Tracker
and Town Friendly Neighbor
Town Cop and Vanilla Townie

Row 2
>
Town Jailkeeper and
Town Tracker
<
>
Town Jailkeeper and Town Friendly Neighbor
<
>
Town Jailkeeper and Vanilla Townie
<

Row 3
Town Mason and Town Mason
Town Tracker
and Town Doctor
Town Mason and Town Mason

The only possible Tracker setup with a Jailkeeper is Roleblocker/Jailkeeper/Tracker

If Roleblocker flips pod is mechanically town. If Rolecop or Friendly Neighbor flips or someone claims to be visited by a Friendly Neighbor cc immediately. If there's no indication of a Friendly Neighbor and no mafia PR has flipped yet then a Goon/Jailkeeper/VT setup with a Tracker fakeclaim is possible

Spoiler: When should Cop cc?

A B C

Mafia
Mafia Roleblocker
Mafia Rolecop
Mafia Goon

Row 1
>
Town Cop and Town Doctor
<
Town Tracker
and Town Friendly Neighbor
>
Town Cop and Vanilla Townie
<

Row 2
Town Jailkeeper and
Town Tracker
Town Jailkeeper and Town Friendly Neighbor
Town Jailkeeper and Vanilla Townie

Row 3
Town Mason and Town Mason
Town Tracker
and Town Doctor
Town Mason and Town Mason

Since there is no setup where both a Cop and Tracker can be in the game, Cop should cc immediately

Spoiler: When should Mason cc?

A B C

Mafia
Mafia Roleblocker
Mafia Rolecop
Mafia Goon

Row 1
Town Cop and Town Doctor
Town Tracker
and Town Friendly Neighbor
Town Cop and Vanilla Townie

Row 2
Town Jailkeeper and
Town Tracker
Town Jailkeeper and Town Friendly Neighbor
Town Jailkeeper and Vanilla Townie

Row 3
>
Town Mason and Town Mason
<
Town Tracker
and Town Doctor
>
Town Mason and Town Mason
<

Since there is no setup where both a Mason and a Tracker can be in the game, ONE Mason should cc immediately. Discuss amongst yourselves which Mason cc'ing is more optimal

Spoiler: When should Tracker cc?

A B C

Mafia
Mafia Roleblocker
Mafia Rolecop
Mafia Goon

Row 1
Town Cop and Town Doctor
>
Town Tracker
and Town Friendly Neighbor
<
Town Cop and Vanilla Townie

Row 2
>
Town Jailkeeper and
Town Tracker
<
Town Jailkeeper and Town Friendly Neighbor
Town Jailkeeper and Vanilla Townie

Row 3
Town Mason and Town Mason
>
Town Tracker
and Town Doctor
<
Town Mason and Town Mason

Since there is no setup where two Trackers can be in the game, Tracker should cc immediately.

Spoiler: When should Doctor cc?

A B C

Mafia
Mafia Roleblocker
Mafia Rolecop
Mafia Goon

Row 1
>
Town Cop and Town Doctor
<
Town Tracker
and Town Friendly Neighbor
Town Cop and Vanilla Townie

Row 2
Town Jailkeeper and
Town Tracker
Town Jailkeeper and Town Friendly Neighbor
Town Jailkeeper and Vanilla Townie

Row 3
Town Mason and Town Mason
>
Town Tracker
and Town Doctor
<
Town Mason and Town Mason

The only possible Tracker setup with a Doctor is Rolecop/Tracker/Doctor

If Roleblocker flips it means your cop hasn't been reading this post and it's up to you to cc, cc immediately in that case. If Rolecop flips it means pod is mechanically confirmed

(Though you can take the lack of a cop cc as mechanical confirmation since cop
should
have cc'd immediately if there is one)

Spoiler: When should Friendly Neighbor cc?

A B C

Mafia
Mafia Roleblocker
Mafia Rolecop
Mafia Goon

Row 1
Town Cop and Town Doctor
>
Town Tracker
and Town Friendly Neighbor
<
Town Cop and Vanilla Townie

Row 2
Town Jailkeeper and
Town Tracker
>
Town Jailkeeper and Town Friendly Neighbor
<
Town Jailkeeper and Vanilla Townie

Row 3
Town Mason and Town Mason
Town Tracker
and Town Doctor
Town Mason and Town Mason

The only possible Tracker setup with a Friendly Neighbor is Rolecop/Tracker/Friendly Neighbor

Friendly Neighbor has a big BUT to when they should cc, because if anyone who's been Friendly Neighbor'd is still alive they can cc instead of the Friendly Neighbor

If Jailkeeper flips OR there's a strong reason to suspect a Jailkeeper is in the game (e.g. no NK's over multiple days, the person you visited claims not to have gotten Friendly Neighbor'd) then someone visited by the Friendly Neighbor should cc if they're still alive and if all of them are dead the Friendly Neighbor should cc.

Spoiler: When should someone visited by a Friendly Neighbor cc?

A B C

Mafia
Mafia Roleblocker
Mafia Rolecop
Mafia Goon

Row 1
Town Cop and Town Doctor
>
Town Tracker
and Town Friendly Neighbor
<
Town Cop and Vanilla Townie

Row 2
Town Jailkeeper and
Town Tracker
>
Town Jailkeeper and Town Friendly Neighbor
<
Town Jailkeeper and Vanilla Townie

Row 3
Town Mason and Town Mason
Town Tracker
and Town Doctor
Town Mason and Town Mason

The only possible Tracker setup with a Friendly Neighbor is Rolecop/Tracker/Friendly Neighbor

If Jailkeeper flips OR there's a strong reason to suspect a Jailkeeper is in the game (e.g. no NK's over multiple days) then cc immediately (DO NOT OUT WHO THE FRIENDLY NEIGHBOR IS JUST MENTION ONE EXISTS)

Spoiler: When is pod mechanically confirmed?

A B C

Mafia
Mafia Roleblocker
Mafia Rolecop
Mafia Goon

Row 1
Town Cop and Town Doctor
Town Tracker
and Town Friendly Neighbor
Town Cop and Vanilla Townie

Row 2
Town Jailkeeper and
Town Tracker
Town Jailkeeper and Town Friendly Neighbor
Town Jailkeeper and Vanilla Townie

Row 3
Town Mason and Town Mason
Town Tracker
and Town Doctor
Town Mason and Town Mason

If any of the following roles have been shown to be in the game and there is no cc pod should be considered mechanically confirmed:
Roleblocker, Rolecop, Friendly Neighbor, Doctor

Spoiler: When can scum!pod get away with claiming tracker without being cc'd?

A B C

Mafia
Mafia Roleblocker
Mafia Rolecop
Mafia Goon

Row 1
Town Cop and Town Doctor
Town Tracker
and Town Friendly Neighbor
Town Cop and Vanilla Townie

Row 2
Town Jailkeeper and
Town Tracker
Town Jailkeeper and Town Friendly Neighbor
Town Jailkeeper and Vanilla Townie

Row 3
Town Mason and Town Mason
Town Tracker
and Town Doctor
Town Mason and Town Mason

The only PR's that can be in a Tracker game are Friendly Neighbor, Jailkeeper, Doctor, and VT

In the case of a Doctor game: pod would have been cc'd by Tracker or Cop
<- IS ALWAYS CC'D

In the case of a Friendly Neighbor game: pod gets cc'd by Tracker in a Rolecop/Tracker/Friendly Neighbor game, but can get away with Friendly Neighbor assuming it's a Rolecop/Tracker/Friendly Neighbor game and Jailkeeper assuming it's a Roleblocker/Jailkeeper/Tracker game until one gets some indication of the others existence and can cc pod in a Rolecop/Jailkeeper/Friendly Neighbor game
<- IS CC'D AFTER A MASSCLAIM OR A TOWN OR MAF PR FLIP

In the case of a Jailkeeper game: pod gets cc'd by Tracker in a Roleblocker/Jailkeeper/Tracker game, can get away with Friendly Neighbor assuming it's a Rolecop/Tracker/Friendly Neighbor game and Jailkeeper assuming it's a Roleblocker/Jailkeeper/Tracker game until one gets some indication of the others existence and can cc pod in a Rolecop/Friendly Neighbor/Jailkeeper game, and can survive a massclaim in a Goon/Jailkeeper/VT game
<- CAN SURVIVE A MASSCLAIM

In post 1163, Mislim Bait wrote:
In post 1051, usesPython wrote:
In post 1049, usesPython wrote: Also you're making a pretty critical assumption that Jason and I are both VT and I don't vibe with that mindset
Like if you're correct in that assumption I think it says a lot more about you than about me, namely Rolecop game
Like this is just not town behaviour
Dropping their PR cover and lowkey admitting that I'm right just to shade for dumb reasons like I'm rolecop
how do you even role cop 2 people in 1 night? it's absurd

I was pretty clearly implying you rolecopped Jason but ok

In post 1183, JasonWazza wrote: UNVOTE: Doctor Drew
VOTE: Mislim Bait

This is E-1

In post 1185, Alianna wrote: Is that a CC?

Here's a better question for people, why didn't scum!Alianna or scum!eektor just hammer tracker!Mislim at this point when neither of them are making it to 3p ELO? In a B3 game it lets them kill the tracker through the doctor and also waste a day and in other setups it saves them a nightkill and forces a mislim

Also UNVOTE: Mislim while we're talking about this just in case they're scum who forgot, consider my vote spiritually on Mislim for the time being

usesPython · Thu May 04, 2023 8:05 pm

In post 1226, Alianna wrote: In B, it's a little more complicated, as they have to try not to claim it on a PR, but they should still have a rolecop result to help them out. If they are the rolecop and were jailed, then they just claim "no result."

If they claim no result in Column B they instantly get cc'd by FN (or worse for scum!Mislim, someone visited by FN) instead of possibly surviving until massclaim, if they knew they were roleblocked (Since being roleblocked implies JK/FN game) they'd be claiming Jailkeeper to force a Jailkeeper cc or Tracker with results to force either a Jailkeeper cc or a 1v1 in ELO with a Jailkeeper who didn't cc them earlier

usesPython · Thu May 04, 2023 8:24 pm

In post 1229, JasonWazza wrote: God this is just going to be a repeat of 2118 and we are going to have a claimed tracker that isn't worth having around.

@Python, Drew/Merlyn?

I need to reread the game tbh, all I know is that for the likely lims today I don't want an Alianna lim right now just for not hammering (I'd include eektor in that list but they could have legitimately forgot and if their partner is Merlyn then I can see them also forgetting to tell eektor to hammer)

usesPython · Fri May 05, 2023 2:27 am

In post 1236, Alianna wrote: True, forgot about that.

You scumread eektor, what do you think about them not hammering Mislim here when Jason put them back to E-1 and then just letting their scum buddy fight it out in 3p ELO?

usesPython · Fri May 05, 2023 3:06 am

In post 1161, Mislim Bait wrote: How tf did everything went to shit after I got busy for awhile
Even the people who TRed me are voting me for shit like better info?

Well here's your fckin info
I'm Tracker
N1 on python
I've already asked the host if scum can multitask and they do
I thought I got outed after I hammered happy when they started softing pr
I wouldn't have revealed my n1 info here but I think python is just goon here and their partner both did the nk and pr action so that there's less risk of getting caught

Is there a reason you tracked me over Mint who was universally townread by everyone other than you and Drew and who you scumread pretty heavily?

In post 1223, Mislim Bait wrote:
In post 1222, Merlyn wrote: Mislim, I've been reading back today and yesterdays twilight and I do have a question- why would you get involved in a thunderdome with python as the tracker? You would be basically guaranteeing your own lim if you weren't right that python was wolf.
You could ask the same question if I was scum
like why would I do it as scum?

PR or NOT As town my first priority would always be limming scum rather than playing safe

Your results show that I'm not

Roleblocker

/

Rolecop

/

Doctor

/

FN

/

JK

, statistically speaking that puts my role in the

Mafia Goon

/

3x VT

pool (1/4 chance of limming scum) compared to the

2x Mafia

/

4x Town

pool (1/3 chance of limming scum) for you. Why not push Alianna/eektor who were also your d1 scumreads and who'd have a higher chance statistically of flipping red in your eyes?

usesPython · Fri May 05, 2023 3:37 am

In post 1238, usesPython wrote: Is there a reason you tracked me over Mint who was universally townread by everyone other than you and Drew and who you scumread pretty heavily?

Also approx. how long did you spend deciding who to track and did you re-read the thread/re-iso anyone (if yes, who?)

usesPython · Fri May 05, 2023 6:43 am

In post 1240, Alianna wrote: I can't say I townread them for it, as they could easily have forgotten or just not realized that they should hammer,
but I do see your point
. They can go in the nullbin for now.

Yeah this kind of response is why I shouldn't be clearing either of you for not hammering because I can see the both of you forgetting that you can hammer Mislim as scum

usesPython · Fri May 05, 2023 6:51 am

In post 1242, Alianna wrote: I never said you should be clearing me for it. Did I imply that?

In post 1227, usesPython wrote:
In post 1183, JasonWazza wrote: UNVOTE: Doctor Drew
VOTE: Mislim Bait

This is E-1

In post 1185, Alianna wrote: Is that a CC?
Here's a better question for people, why didn't scum!Alianna or scum!eektor just hammer tracker!Mislim at this point when neither of them are making it to 3p ELO? In a B3 game it lets them kill the tracker through the doctor and also waste a day and in other setups it saves them a nightkill and forces a mislim

Also UNVOTE: Mislim while we're talking about this just in case they're scum who forgot, consider my vote spiritually on Mislim for the time being

I'm talking about my posts, you didn't actually say anything about it no

usesPython · Fri May 05, 2023 7:25 am

Ok after the re-read my POE if I'm assuming Mislim is real is shooting inside Merlyn/Alianna/eektor and I really want eektor shot for 1088.

The only way Mislim gets full cleared is if Doctor comes out/flips in B3 during massclaim or Roleblocker flips in A2, anything else scum can cc later so we're gonna need to speed this up and decide if we believe Mislim and if we're hypoing n1/n2 JK/FN actions because deadline is in less than two days

usesPython · Fri May 05, 2023 7:54 am

In post 1245, Alianna wrote: I believe Mislim and I'm fine with hypoclaims if we want to do that.
Why specifically 1088?

It feels like it's setting up 5p ELO with me misvoting and I don't vibe with it

usesPython · Fri May 05, 2023 9:07 am

In post 1251, Doctor Drew wrote: Is hypoclaiming saying who you targeted at night?

Yeah pretty much just going:

If I am Jailkeeper I targeted X n1 (and will target Y n2)
If I am Friendly Neighbor I targeted X n1 (and will target Y n2)

We can drop the N2 thing for JK if you want but we should definitely be forcing FN claims to commit to visits before we announce intent on anyone so that scum can't just claim FN and say they visited dead people/their buddy/the person that gets limmed today

usesPython · Fri May 05, 2023 9:28 am

And also if Doctor is WIFOMing by healing outside of Mislim we don't want scum to know that someone in the playerlist is willing to risk like that

usesPython · Fri May 05, 2023 10:34 am

In post 1226, Alianna wrote: I'll admit that my head hasn't been in the game as of late, but I've given the Mislim claim some actual thought and I've changed my mind. I don't see a good reason why scum!them would claim the result specifically on Python. It's highly counterintuitive to claim a clearing result on a player you're hardpushing, even though a tracker "no visit" isn't a 100% clear. Yes, it's also counterintuitive to hardpush a player you have a semi-clearing result on, but I think scum care more about that kind of consistency than town do. Mislim's claim is also one that draws unnecessary attention if they're scum.

In post 1163, Mislim Bait wrote:
In post 1051, usesPython wrote:
In post 1049, usesPython wrote: Also you're making a pretty critical assumption that Jason and I are both VT and I don't vibe with that mindset
Like if you're correct in that assumption I think it says a lot more about you than about me, namely Rolecop game
Like this is just not town behaviour
Dropping their PR cover and lowkey admitting that I'm right just to shade for dumb reasons like I'm rolecop
how do you even role cop 2 people in 1 night? it's absurd

I'm actually the safest person to claim a no visit on in their eyes if they're scum since I apparently dropped PR cover to them in that post. Yeah it means I probably can't get limmed but in a scum!Mislim game if their partner is Alianna/eektor they're forced to make this fullclaim since otherwise they just lose to POE

usesPython · Fri May 05, 2023 10:41 am

In post 1260, usesPython wrote: I'm actually the safest person to claim a no visit on in their eyes if they're scum since I apparently dropped PR cover to them in that post. Yeah it means I probably can't get limmed but in a scum!Mislim game if their partner is
Alianna/eektor
Merlyn/Drew
they're forced to make this fullclaim since otherwise they just lose to POE associatives if they get flipped today

EBWOP, don't post at midnight

usesPython · Fri May 05, 2023 12:44 pm

In post 1264, eektor wrote: @Jason That's what I understood, which is why you didn't vote right then.

If I understand correctly, we have less than 2 days til the end of Day 2, is that correct? If we are going to do the hypo, I would like to see someone go first, so I can see how to do it.

Not that hard, you pick visits that would make sense with your current reads in thread (e.g. the hypos that I could believable make if I wasn't outed as VT right now would be:

If I am Jailkeeper I jailed Jason n1 (Makes sense with my strong TR on them d2, explains why the Jason/Mislim tinfoil I apparently had in my notes overnight in 806 got dropped, and also a reasonable JK target)
If I am Friendly Neighbor I visited Mint n1 (Makes sense with me TRing Mint during d1 while also being consistent with me thinking it's possible for them to survive to d2 in 806)

usesPython · Fri May 05, 2023 8:54 pm

In post 1333, Doctor Drew wrote: But yes, if Mislim is telling the truth.......python/eektor is the only sure bet of can't be a thing

Even if Mislim is lying Python/eektor can't be a thing unless you think Mislim fakeclaims Tracker as town

usesPython · Sat May 06, 2023 2:47 am

Drew's mechanically confirmed town then since there's no cc. We're either in A2 (

Jailkeeper

/

Tracker

/

Roleblocker

) or C2 (

Jailkeeper

/

VT

/

Goon

) meaning that if Mislim is real we won't know until we see

Roleblocker

flip

Mechanically speaking the only information we have from those PR's outside of their value as a named townie is that Python/eektor is impossible (Since eektor was JK'd and Mislim tracked me to nowhere. If Mislim is real I went nowhere so in a scum!Python game my scum buddy would have had to do the kill. If Mislim is fake then Mislim is scum which rules out Python/eektor) and that eektor did not perform the n1 kill.

Spoiler: POE wise I'm shooting inside Mislim/Merlyn/eektor/Alianna which gives me the following teams:

Spoiler: Pairs I think are possible:

Spoiler: Pairs I think are likely:

usesPython · Sat May 06, 2023 2:51 am

I think if Mislim flips green the game is solved and we just lim Merlyn and eektor, if Mislim flips red we flip Merlyn as the probable partner and then figure out Alianna/eektor if Merlyn green. So preferred lims today would be:

Mislim Bait
Merlyn
eektor/Alianna

usesPython · Sat May 06, 2023 3:02 am

Also since the deadline is close, can we all agree that if we can't reach a consensus lim in time today we all just sheep Drew for the d2 lim since they're confirmed town

usesPython · Sat May 06, 2023 3:15 am

In post 1361, Merlyn wrote: Ugh, I need to read more carefully- why are you saying it's me and eektor if mislim flips green?

POE for me there'd be two scum in eektor/Alianna/Merlyn. I don't think eektor/Alianna is a thing in this game and I think your earlier d2 push on Alianna makes Merlyn/Alianna unlikely which'd just leave Merlyn/eektor

usesPython · Sat May 06, 2023 3:16 am

Who'd it be from your POV if Mislim flips green today? Alianna/eektor? Or are you including teams with Jason/Python in them

usesPython · Sat May 06, 2023 3:18 am

VOTE: Mislim Bait

E-1 btw

usesPython · Mon May 08, 2023 10:50 am

We really should have told Drew who to JK in the case that Mislim flipped red

VOTE: eektor

I don't think that scum!Merlyn jumps on limming Mislim like that after they successfully fakeclaim Tracker so POE for me is just eektor/Alianna. Since scum knew that the only way who does the kill matters is for JK I think that Mislim is always doing the kill in Alianna/Mislim and eektor/Mislim games so Drew JKing eektor n1 doesn't actually mean much

usesPython · Mon May 08, 2023 10:53 am

We don't actually need to figure out who's scum right now btw, we can also solve the game by figuring out who Drew JK'd or by figuring out who's town in Alianna/eektor/Merlyn.

Since Drew hypo'd an FN visit on Merlyn and since Merlyn was on the Mislim wagon that got hammered I don't see a world in which Merlyn got JK'd n2. Between Alianna/eektor I think Alianna is more likely to have been JK'd since eektor got JK'd n1 and Drew wanted an Alianna lim d2

usesPython · Mon May 08, 2023 11:12 am

I think it's safest to just lim Alianna and eektor, if Merlyn actually busses Mislim as scum here after 1358 and a successful fakeclaim then well played

usesPython · Mon May 08, 2023 11:56 am

In order of likelihood it's eektor > Alianna > Merlyn. D1 it kinda feels like Mislim jumped on the DADV theory to save eektor and then the whole mess with breaking their progression on eektor by hammering happy when both were E-1 feels pretty partner indicative.

usesPython · Mon May 08, 2023 9:05 pm

Jason don't paranoia brain this, just vote Alianna

usesPython · Mon May 08, 2023 9:52 pm

or well, vote whoever as long as you're not paranoia braining it. Game should be easily solvable

usesPython · Tue May 09, 2023 12:01 pm

Yeah we weren't winning that one lol, ggwp you two

Also that explains why Mint was shot over Jason as part of the PR hunt

usesPython · Tue May 09, 2023 12:32 pm

Yeah the best way to crumb is either "don't crumb" or "do a big brain crumb where the 2nd letter of the last word over 6 posts spells out your role"

usesPython · Tue May 09, 2023 12:36 pm

In post 1420, Merlyn wrote: BTW Python I LOVE your new avatar

ty <3

usesPython · Wed May 10, 2023 2:32 am

In post 21, JasonWazza wrote: Mod said they aren't a hydra because admittedly i saw their signature and tried to get them re-replaced immediately because hydra's are a headache (and a no in newbies).

They are a "Plurality".

https://pluralityresource.org/plurality-information/

Link the mod gave me, seems odd to me but what ya gonna do?

Yeah we try to keep it to one person fronting throughout the entire game when hydras are a no-no for that reason