Newbie 839 - Game over

[Bub Bidderskins]

Vote: Del

for having too short a username.

[Bub Bidderskins]

Vote: Bub Bidderskins

Because who has such a long username? He must be trying to detract attention from himself with his long name!

Would you vote any different if it was an underscore instead?

[Bub Bidderskins]

Well, we all voted, didn't we?

[Bub Bidderskins]

No, scratch that last post. Every one of us has voted except for Danny, even though Danny has been around and talking about stuff, he has not voted. Why would he do that? Is it simply because he does not know who to vote for.

Or is it because he is scum and is waiting to convince some of the other people to change their vote so he can lynch a townie and give the scum a double kill?

I will have to ponder this over time...

[Bub Bidderskins]

I'm not really sure how the game progress's past the RVS.

At this point in time, the only thing I can really do is find an reason to switch my vote to someone else on the list for no reason, which doesn't do anything, or attempt to sift through the posts for any sign of scummyness, and I don't think I can accomplish much except nitpicking and being condemed for it. I'm new to this and I doubt I can see the more subtle reasoning more experienced people use. Best I can hope for is someone declaring themselves Mafia :/

Dilemma much?

Just vote, or better yet, convince Debonair Danny DiPietro to vote. For that matter,

unvote, vote: Debonair Danny DiPietro

for holding us up.

[Bub Bidderskins]

IC, what is done in cases like this? Ask questions?

Sure that'd be a common route to pursue.

Just vote, or better yet, convince Debonair Danny DiPietro to vote. For that matter,

unvote, vote: Debonair Danny DiPietro

for holding us up.

So let me get this straight you find nothing else warranting a serious vote; so you vote for me for not voting when I don't find there to be a serious reason to vote either. Would me casting a random vote really move the game along in any serious fashion?

Yes.

[Bub Bidderskins]

Also, Bub Bidderskins doesn't mean anything in other languages, it was just some random name I cobbled together when I had too much time on my hands.

[Bub Bidderskins]

Haha, I love how everyone is posting what their names mean/don't mean now. Not my intent, but I can see how you might think it was.

We are actually doing it in an attept to justify the fact that we spent the full minute to get on and check this, just to find out that nobody else (and by that I mean DDD) has voted yet.

[Bub Bidderskins]

Okay, we need to calm down, stop accusing people, and actually catch some scum. That is the reason why DDD isn't voting. He was sitting back and waiting for somebody to do something stupid.

[Bub Bidderskins]

Scum points for trying to stifle discussion, Maemuki. True, I was talking to myself, but that's more conversation than we've had yet.

True, but talking to yourself is going to help us find scum...how?

BTW, question for you Maemuki....are you scum?

No. Why do you ask?

Oh. Let some of the lurkers get here first before we put him at L-1, possibly making the conditions for a quick lynch. And why do you want to make the L-1 vote?

And let me ask you that question too. Are you scum?

I don't see any reason why he wouldn't be scum. Asking the power roles to claim so him and his buddy know who to knock out in the night and masking it as an attept to get discussion started. Of course, he could just be mad at the lack of activity and is just trying to act wacko. At any rate,

unvote

[Bub Bidderskins]

On another note, could Starkmoon please come in hear and post a vote count. I've lost count among all the self-accusations.

[Bub Bidderskins]

Okay, we need to calm down, stop accusing people, and actually catch some scum. That is the reason why DDD isn't voting. He was sitting back and waiting for somebody to do something stupid.

Yes, maybe if we stop pressuring people and just ask nicely people will admit to being scum, that makes sense.

I don't see any reason why he wouldn't be scum. Asking the power roles to claim so him and his buddy know who to knock out in the night and masking it as an attept to get discussion started. Of course, he could just be mad at the lack of activity and is just trying to act wacko. At any rate,

unvote

Are you seriously suggesting that Raskol was seriously suggesting that any power roles claim?

There is a difference between pressuring and what Raskol was doing. Also, Raskol might have, I was simply throwing out the possibility.

At any rate, I don't think Raskol is scum. What would a mafian have to gain by announcing his presence to the world? A scum would have something to gain from a half-dead topic with nobody posting trying to catch them.

[Bub Bidderskins]

Okay, since starkmoon isn’t posting the vote count, I will.

1 Debonair Danny Dipietro—Maemuki
1 Bub Bidderskins—Tehstefan
2 Diakron—Skitzo, Ibrahimagic
2 Raskol—Del, Raskol

-not voting-
Bub Bidderskins
Debonair Danny Dipietro
Tehstefan

Diakron 2 skitzo, Ibrahimagic,
Ibrahimagic
skitzo
Tehstefan
Bub Bidderskins 1 Tehstefan
Del
Raskol 2 Del, Raskol
Maemuki
Debonair Danny DiPietro 1 Maemuki,
Not Voting

Debonair Danny DiPietro
Diakron
Bub Bidderskins

[Bub Bidderskins]

i'm sorry i lost my link to this page in the midst of all my other bookmarks.

I believe Raskol is town as he could of left his vote on me and had me lynched but didn't he is still trying to go after the scum.

DDD is being unusually quiet for someone who is supposed to be our role model for proper gaming techniques, maybe he is scum and wants us to have a good chance?

Maemuki: what question? i must of missed it.

What is l-1 and l-2?

can someone else do some diiging on this with me?

I say that we lynch the inactives (i believe a person (Ibrahimagic) has yet to say anything )

I think the reason Raskol changed his vote is because he was trying to get attention. Which also ment that his vote on you wasn't really serious nor did it carry much merit.

As far as Ibrahimagic, I haven't heard much from him, and that is probably a decent reason to lynch him. Even if he is town, he really isn't helping anybody.

[Bub Bidderskins]

Well, you didn't put the words into your own mouth, and since you aren't saying otherwise, I assume I was right.

So, why do you vote for Diakron, huh? Explain that. Also, just because I state that there is a slight bit of reason to what somebody says doesn't automatically qualify me as scum parters. You, I might add, are not the only one voting for Diakron. Does that make you a scum partener with those other people?

[Bub Bidderskins]

My opinion on Diakron huh? Well, I don't know any more. He says he's played Mafia on another site and doesn't know what an RVS is, as well as taking the RVS way too seriously. I'm starting to think that it was all a facade to make him look like an overeacting noob who could not possibly be scum. For that reason,

FOS Diakron

.

He does have a point with Ibramagic. So, Ibramagic, explain yourself. Why are you lurking so much?

[Bub Bidderskins]

As far as my top suspects,

Diakron: For acting like a noob then saying he's played the game somewhere else

Ibramagic: For trying to duck under the radar

Raskol: For spamming randomly to try and get attention instead of doing something beneficial to the town.

Starkmoon: For not posting the vote count when we have four pages.

[Bub Bidderskins]

Okay Diakron. I could hammer vote you right now. If don't want that to happen, I suggest you give me a good reason not to lynch you. In other words, ROLECLAIM.

[Bub Bidderskins]

Vote count:

1 Debonair Danny Dipietro—Maemuki
4 Diakron—Skitzo, Ibrahimagic, Raskol, Tehstefan
1 Raskol—Del
1 Ibramagic--Diakron

-not voting-
Bub Bidderskins
Debonair Danny Dipietro

[Bub Bidderskins]

unvote

vote: Bub Bidderskins

Why? Honestly, I was tyring to pressure him into roleclaiming and was waiting for a response. Instead, now we're back at L-2 because of your antics. Fine, if you want to hammer him, go ahead.

vote: diakron

[Bub Bidderskins]

unvote

vote: Bub Bidderskins

Why? Honestly, I was tyring to pressure him into roleclaiming and was waiting for a response. Instead, now we're back at L-2 because of your antics. Fine, if you want to hammer him, go ahead.

vote: diakron

[Bub Bidderskins]

Thanks to you, we might not get him lynched at all.

FOS: Raskol

Diakron 4 skitzo, Ibrahimagic, Tehstefan, Bub Bidderskins
Ibrahimagic 1 Diakron
skitzo
Tehstefan
Bub Bidderskins 1 Raskol
Del
Raskol
Maemuki
Debonair Danny DiPietro 1 Maemuki,

Not Voting

Debonair Danny DiPietro


Del

[Bub Bidderskins]

Vote count:

1 Debonair Danny Dipietro—Maemuki
4 Diakron—Skitzo, Ibrahimagic, Raskol, Tehstefan, Bub Bidderskins
1 Ibramagic--Diakron
1 Bub Bidderskins--Raskol

-not voting-
Debonair Danny Dipietro
Del

[Bub Bidderskins]

Also, please discount the above double post.

[Bub Bidderskins]

unvote

vote: Bub Bidderskins

Why? Honestly,

I was tyring to pressure him into roleclaiming

and was waiting for a response. Instead, now we're back at L-2 because of your antics. Fine, if you want to hammer him, go ahead.

vote: diakron

Have you ever played mafia before?

As a matter of fact, no. In anyway, I thought it would be fun to see if he was lying or not. :shrugs:

[Bub Bidderskins]

Excellent point DDD.

[Bub Bidderskins]

EBWOP

My opinion on Diakron huh? Well, I don't know any more. He says he's played Mafia on another site and doesn't know what an RVS is, as well as taking the RVS way too seriously.

Having played Mafia on another site, I have never heard of RVS until stumbling upon Mafiascum. I guess browsing pages such as this:

http://www.mafiascum.net/wiki/index.php ... reviations

And browsing some threads/guides.

Back on topic and in answer to Raskol's question about top two suspects, I cannot yet answer without saying none. I considered Diakron and Bub, but I somewhat dislike translating apparent newbieness and ignorance to scuminess. Of course, if it turns out they were feigning being newbs/ignorance, then I'm sure for my next game I'll have turned as cynical as any.

Well, Diakron also took the RVS too seriously and yet he still claimed to have played the same game on a different site. Still, I admit that on different sites they might have different customs and abbreviations. Even though I voted for him, everybody should still think hard before hammering him. We still have quite a bit of time left, and there's no need to rush a lynch.

[Bub Bidderskins]

Mod:

(If you're there. It's me, Margaret) Please prod Iba---magic and anyone else who needs prodding.

And post the vote count.

[Bub Bidderskins]

Okay, update: I don't think Raskol is scum. I think he shamelessly accuses people who parter with people whom he's accused for the same reason, but I don't think he's scum. A scum wouldn't try to get so much attention, nor would he so vehemently try to catch scum.

I think that the under-contributers have a reason to be scum, but they may have just abandoned the game. (mainly Del, Skitso, Ibramagic, and the Teh guy.)

I also think that Diakron seems scummy for acting like a noob, then saying he's played the game somewhere else, and then posting as if he'd just given up.

I have no reason to think that DDD or Maemuki are scum, but I also have no reason to think that they aren't, so I'll keep my eyes on them.

[Bub Bidderskins]

Okay, let's rehash, who are our top suspects? I know there was a great deal brought up against Diakron, and he hasn't posted since. Also, there were some acusations up in the air against one of the lurkers. Also, Del just brought up something against Maemuki.

[Bub Bidderskins]

We could just shamelessly bandwagon them until they say something instead, how does that sound?

Better than nothing. Why don't you start us off?

Sure thing.

Vote: Tehstefan

What is your reason for voting for him?

[Bub Bidderskins]

I'm keeping my vote, despite it being completely random at first. A lot has been brought up about Diakron, and even if he does turn out to be town, he'll be no great loss.

Why are you keep your vote? You say it's random and you don't even unvote. If it really is random (as in, a random townie), then why do you keep it?

Oh, and DDD, now I see. However, it isn't really too random seeing as he really is undercontributing and wouldn't be a real loss even if he was town.

[Bub Bidderskins]

I'm keeping my vote, despite it being completely random at first. A lot has been brought up about Diakron, and even if he does turn out to be town, he'll be no great loss.

i totally agree about that with you

For that matter Skitzo, you seem quite scummy yourself. Which part of Ibramagic's post do you agree with? The random part or the Diakron part? And why are you undercontributing? You leave a lot of questions unanswered. I'm going to

FOS: Skitzo

.

[Bub Bidderskins]

I have nothing else to say as this game is so slow that i have gotten bored with it. i will try playing one more time on this forum and if its the same i will find another place to play.

what would you prefer?
alot of one-liners?

Skitzo, please stop posting one-liners. Or two-liners. Just. Post. Something. Kthx.

isnt that what diakron wants maemuki?
if we dont really go into very much detail then it will be faster?
right now my top suspect would definitely be diakron seeing as he wanted all the power roles to claim

As a matter of fact, it wasn't Diakron that asked the power roles to claim. It was Raskol.

[Bub Bidderskins]

EBWOP: As well, I'm sticking with diakron, he definitely seems scummy to me, and his demeaner states it.

You mean lack of demeaner. I think he abandoned this game when he saw he was being bandwagoned.

[Bub Bidderskins]

Of course, even if all of that weren't true, it would still be worthwhile to lynch him just on the basis of being a lurker.

[Bub Bidderskins]

You still haven't answered any of DDD's other points. Besides, the fact that you are not the worst lurker further proves that you are scum. The worst lurker doesn't post at all because he quit the game. You also confirm this by shifting the blame to another person who is "a worse lurker".

[Bub Bidderskins]

I thought I already voted tehstefan, but any way.

unvote, vote: tehstefan

His defense was very weak and scummy, throwing the blame on somebody else. He only started posting once we got him up in high vote numbers, and when he did, it made him look all the scummier.

[Bub Bidderskins]

Copying? As I said before, I thought I had already voted and had already stated my reasons for that before. It was not a copy vote, I didn't even realize at the time that it was 10 min. after Del.

[Bub Bidderskins]

Man, this game is moving sllloooowwww... too many people seem to have left the game.

[Bub Bidderskins]

Okay, since this game is moving slowly, I'll put something up to get some conversation going; my list of suspects.

Scummy:
Del: For L-1 vote on D-1 with no reason, lurking, keeping under the radar if at all possible. This guy's been trying to stay under the radar pretty much since confirmation stage.

Skitzo: Lurking, keeping under the radar. Same reasons as Del 'cept for L-1 vote yesterday.

No Read:
CSL: Replaced in for Diakron and hasn't posted much yet. I didn't like the way Diakron played, but he left the game. I'm thinking this was because he was townie and was angry that he couldn't convince us not to lynch him. Still, he could have been scum and left for the same reason.

Townie:
Raskol: Totally crazy. He tried to revive the game when it was dormant, something a mafia would not do. I think he's got more posts in this game than anyone else. While you may not like his style, it isn't an anti-town one.

Maemuki: Logical arguments, not crazy, yet not sleezy. Not trying to stay under the radar, and nothing really anti-town brought up.

DDD: Puts forward good, logical arguments against suspects, keeps a level head. He did push forward the lynch on Tehstefan, but there was ample, townie reason to do it, and I'm sure those four other people who voted for him (including myself) thought the same thing.

Having said that,

vote: Del

,

FoS: Skitzo

.

[Bub Bidderskins]

Maemuki, I think asking to replace somebody is a bit too specific and hard to accomplish. We're desperate here. A more appropriate response would have been "

Mod, please

" .

Seriously, this game's in the gutter. People, post! You no longer have the excuse of having nothing to post about now that my LoS is up. Post about that. Either shoot it down or build it up or make suggestions about it or

something

. Just don't sit at your desk in a hypnotic stupor wondering why nobody else is posting while you aren't posting.

[Bub Bidderskins]

Glad that you're feeling better Raskol. You've got an excellent point DDD, because both Raskol and Maemuki have tried to keep the game moving in both D-1 and D-2.

[Bub Bidderskins]

Though, DDD, while I do agree with the logic, how is it in a mafian's best interest to keep the game moving?

[Bub Bidderskins]

When you eliminate the impossible, whatever left, however improbable must be the truth.

But is a noobie voting for a random reason impossible? I find that an SE is just as likely to be mafia at this point as a newbie. They may not know who to kill or why to kill. I thought that it would be in favour of a mafian to kill somebody who was contributing. And the way this game is going, that might be enough to let it coast right up to the deadline.

Oh, and Del. If you're out there. Why did you come in for no reason and give an L-1 vote in D-1? Why?

[Bub Bidderskins]

At the moment, I'll keep my vote on Del/Feeres, because he didn't explain the L-1 vote yesterday at all.

I guess in this game it's hard to just lynch lurkers because everybody's lurking .

[Bub Bidderskins]

CSL & Bub is possibly scum.
Maemuki possibly scum.
skitzo not very active, can't tell.
Raskol & DDD probably town.

Care to elaborate a bit on these?

[Bub Bidderskins]

(I don't know, but Bub, you seem more experienced than I'd expect).

Well thank you for saying so. This is actually the first game of Mafia game I've ever played .

As far as the "surpise" hammer. I said I didn't notice the

date

on del's post, not his post all together. I didn't realize it was only ten minutes before mine until maemuki brought it up. Explaining the hammer: I was under the impression that the vote would be carried all the way to the lynch, and so I obliged. Also, with the deadline closing in and the pace of the game, it seemed to me as if we probably wouldn't be able to lynch anybody if we didn't lynch Tehstefan.

On that whole Diakron deal, I was threatening to hammer, and when I did Raskol changed his vote to me, which was never explained.[/b]

[Bub Bidderskins]

Well, um . This is kind of weird. Del sent me a PM talking about the game. Is it legal to discuss the PM?

[Bub Bidderskins]

Hm, CSL is being really useless, and I feel as if Diakron never really seemed to be town from the start. I don't think it warrents a vote at this point, though, but

FoS: CSL

. I'll also

unvote

because Del's replacement seems to be helping the town. I don't want to vote for CSL at this time because I don't want an L-1 so early in the day.

[Bub Bidderskins]

Care to explain your actions CSL?

[Bub Bidderskins]

Second off, I have really huge suspicions for skitzo, due to his not posting for a whole week, but depends on what happens to him is where my vote goes.

Any other reasons why you think he's hugely suspicious apart from lack of participation? To be fair, he has been the most inactive out of us all, but apart from that I can't really find anything strictly wrong with his posts.

The reason you can't find anything strictly wrong with him is because he hasn't posted. He seems to have abandoned the game though.

Mod: Please Prod/replace skitzo

[Bub Bidderskins]

DDD, may I ask just what are you doing?

Ditto. I know you're trying to go somewhere with this, but where or whether it's on a train, bus, or boat, I don't know.

[Bub Bidderskins]

I think that DDD's whole night kill thing was pretty trivial, and I don't think it holds any water.

Theory: He killed Ibramagic then used his logic to blame it on one of the SE.

Keep in mind that just because he's the one who suggested the theory doesn't make him imune to it. As a matter of fact, it applies to him even more than the SE's.

At the moment, however, it's just a theory and nothing more. As of now, I'm not liking CSL's play and can understand Raskol not posting. Feeres seems to be really helping the town, while Maemuki is still coming up as neutral on my scumdar. I can't get any read on Starbuck, having only made a single post in the game.

I also find it depressing how many replacements we've had to go through.

[Bub Bidderskins]

Man, I let myself get prodded. Sorry about not posting, but I was working on a writing contest that I recently learned was due today, and that was three days ago X-(.

Regardless, I'm glad that there's some content being posted now. As far as CSL and Maemuki, I'm not liking either one. CSL is either lazy or just doesn't want to help the town.

Maemuki hasn't helped the town much either, and has just posted a bunch of fluff. As of right now, I'm keeping my vote reserved for when it's needed.

[Bub Bidderskins]

I agree that Maemuki is very likely scum. Her play at the end of D-1 left me unimpressed. She totally failed to help the town in any meaningful way. I'm not going to vote just yet, though, as it's way too early for an L-1 vote.

[Bub Bidderskins]

I think that, provided that Maemuki isn't scum, Feeres is next on the mafia hit-list. So that would leave...

Raskol
DDD
Bub Bidderskins

In Lynch or Lose, at which point I would have to go with DDD. He seems to be cunningly manipulating things, while his logic appears to be sound.

[Bub Bidderskins]

Well, considering CSL's post-mortem remarks, I think we've won the game.

[Bub Bidderskins]

Good game! I'm glad that my first ever Mafia game was also my first-ever Mafia game win .