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But certain other people do things at night to! No, its only the good townies, the fine upstanding backbone of society who can afford the luxury of sleep
L-3 is hardly a point of concern. At L-2 theres always the faint possibility of some kind of quickvote or such, but at L-3 there is no real such possibility
Admittedly mine isnt valid, but still
Unvote, vote tubbySo I can spread the OMGUS aroundThere is no problem so big it cannot be solved by an even bigger explosion-
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Whoa, have you never heard of WIFOM? Scum doesnt want to do stuff scum would do, but then since scum wouldnt want to do it, people wont expect it of scum, so scum should do it, round and round the merry go round goes etc
But anyway, the one line replies and whimsy are just the starting point, youll then notice in most games they gradually build up into proper cases, day 1 is in fact quite good for catching scum before they get their groove going (admittedly anecdotal, but Ive generally seen more luck on day 1 than any other day . . . Im not going to do a comphrehensive analysis of 800 odd newbie games to check)
If I was scum I would do the exact same thing I would do if I was town, find and vote for the person I found most interesting/suspicious
Unvote Tubby
Now, the person who interests me most would be Tubby . . . mainly because his complaints about lack of discussion, without well, actually discussing. Two of his three posts are pretty much 'need more posts!', and the other one is his random vote
Kinda makes one think of Active Lurking, how to look like your involved without well, being to involved
Vote Tubby
Soyasushi - lots of posts, but thats early RVS silliness (I like early RVS silliness to), I cant say I find anything yet there
WrathofShadows - I could be suspicious there, lurking can be a scumtell, and WrathofShadows posted twice to discuss replacements in confirmations, however, it hasnt been nearly long enough by far to get that suspicious, the game started Sunday and its Monday morningThere is no problem so big it cannot be solved by an even bigger explosion-
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Ill admit, your still not convincing me tubby, it doesnt feel very helpful. I am still thinking tubby here
As for yernab, I was okay with his whacky WIFOM scenario to stir up discussion (look, theres discussion). The game I was in that just finished the (in this instance town) IC started off with 'Okay everyone, make a case on me' (which I found very suspicious and am dubious about . . . but basically, Im not quite going to say weird quasi icebreaker gimmicks to get things rolling are a true scumtell)
I like Soyasushi's posts, seem pretty pro town scum hunting, are smilies really a scumtell though?
WrathofShadows - Its not a huge deal to me, but it is something I noted upon reading yernab's comments
And now we definitely need to hear something from david and ZachThere is no problem so big it cannot be solved by an even bigger explosion-
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Okay, this is the first time Ive seen smilies be the topic of discussion. Looking back through (and at the aforementioned smilies), I note that yernab's 'alright, alright, I back down' post came after 3 posts. Mine, manho's and tubby's. Right after tubby in fact
My post and manho's werent particularly critical of his approach at all, tubby's was (and tubby voted for him), this was only the 2nd vote on him (and I cant credit Soyasuhi's 'post already' vote as that scary), so, it does seem he abandoned his idea pretty quick
And most importantly, hiya crazypianist1116, nice to see you againThere is no problem so big it cannot be solved by an even bigger explosion-
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David - Im not really sure which I prefer, everything is good
Soyasushi - Ive seen very very defensive townies, noone likes being lynched. Also, as town, you should try very hard not to be lynched, after all, you are certain you are not scum, so anyone who isnt you is thus a better lynch (more or less) - that said, the best way to defend yourself really is to find someone who is a better choice. If all your doing is saying 'Im not scum! Smilies are not important!' etc, it doesnt provide a better option. Find who is scum and explain why they are scum
Also, that way if you got lynched anyway, at least you provided hopefully useful insights that after the flip are revealed to be not lies
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That makes sense then. I don't believe this was a tell of any sort on manho's part now
On Cookie/Wrathofshadows
WrathofShadows definitely does have that OMGUS effect to it, as it seems to boil down to 'Your intelligent, but you like me best?' which is strongly not so helpful
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Okay, I went back and looked over this whole crazy scumlist battle and the Wrath/Cookie war
Zach / Cookie - do note on the scumlist topic
tubby - good, but near the end of the day
manho - bit anti-town
myself - you have to decide yourself
soyasuhi - doesnt seem to have an opinion (was asking)
Zach + Cookie - like scumlists
Hardly unaminous support, I hardly find the opinion that scumlists are less helpful to be a great scumtell
That said - lets look at Wrath's posts
55 - nothing, says net down
59 - says the discussion could be interesting, but doesnt share any of these interesting insights. Also assures me he knows of the scum lurk bit (which I said I didnt suspect him of really)
65 - Assures me AGAIN (ookay. Im sure my 61 wasnt that accusatory), answers soyasushi's question, says starting discussion is pro-town
66 - cant post much
82 - FoS Manho . . for no discerned reason to gather response? (I question in 83)
92 - not doing anything suspicious makes you suspicious? Right, a version of the too-townie fallacy almost? Also doesnt like scumlists
95 - more on not liking scumlists
103 - votes only when concrete. Arguing with Zach on scumlists and Zach saying he isnt scum hunting really
And then in 131 the Cookie go round begins!
And his main focus in 131 is 'Cookie is smart and charismatic, and has other options, so why me?'
Im not to terribly impressed . . . especially with his, uh, not one shred of suspicion generated toward ANYONE in the previous 6 posts (not counting the net down one), the FoS Manho doesnt count, since didnt give any reason for suspicion (and blatantly said, in the post where he FoSed, just to see reaction)
I am beginning to think yeah, we have our scum here
We need a votecount <b>Mod, votecount please</b>
But Im happy with Wrath now, just dont want to accidentally hammer before the 'good at end of day' scumlists appearThere is no problem so big it cannot be solved by an even bigger explosion-
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Sure, lets see. Why vote for Wrath?
First off - he hasnt posted since Oct 3, and suddenly shows up to post right when he goes to L-1?
His Cookie vote is not very solid, (11th Wrath post). Cookie is 'intelligent and can sway any argument' and that Cookie had two other cases that apparently were good. The cases also werent good enough for Wrath, since he voted Cookie
He in his 12th apparently it was bad of Cookie for focusing on him, manho, and tubby. Yet in the SAME post he notes he has 3 ideas for scum also. How is that a case on Cookie?
13+14 - not so interesting. But definitely not convincing me Cookie is better
15 - Ah, Im bad now that I voted for him? (And he finally posts again when he is at L-1). Why not post when I made my case earlier on him when I said I was going to vote
The day is nearing a close and Im deciding Wrath is looking like the best bet
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Okay, Ive done a reread on bfl . . . and he, like yernab, contributed almost nothing. Especially nothing on the whole Wrath case despite having at least a few people spefically ask him his thoughts. He just said he didnt see anything scummy, and asked what the case on Wrath was. And never replied after I presented my case
bfl is my new favorite person
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When doing lots of quotes like that, please use the quote function where it can say stuff like 'Meji wrote' etc (you didnt attribute the stuff I said to me in the above), like in Zach's post above yours
Unfortunately I don't use quotes, so I can't actually tell you how to do that . . . but its harder to follow the not so attributed quotes
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Sorry . . . weekend hasnt been good for me
Now, the most relevant and exciting thing bantered about I think is from EC
"Oh, and I talked you out of lynching my buddy? How? That makes no sense. If you thought my buddy was scum, wouldn't you lynch him first? If he showed scum, then you'd lynch me. However, by lynching me first, it doesn't prove anything if BJL is scum or not. I could just be defending him because I see you have a terrible case against him. You're just looking for an opportunity to get rid of me, Tubby. It's obvious, now."
That is pure WIFOMy goodness. If bjl is scum, then EC is scum . . . right. The converse must also mean that if bjl isnt scum then EC must not be scum? bjl has done nothing, absolutely nothing to seem town, so, the only way to really think bjl is town is to know bjl is town
I dont disagree that tubby is interesting, and hey, I could see a point for 'tubby is more scummy than bjl', but the conviction on bfl being town strikes me as suspicious, almost suspicious enough to change my vote, but then . . .
from bjl, "lol... what am I at? L-1? man... I've been sick since thursday and haven't been near a computer. I'm not going to defend myself other than say I'm a plain ol' townie. I don't have time for more right now. good luck."
Sickness can be true or not, and no problem with sickness. But 'lol, Im not going to do anything, Im a townie'
This is totally verging into appeal to emotion, contributes absolutely nothing, and doesnt even try to offer an alternative. I like my vote (and it has lol, bringing back the smilies?)There is no problem so big it cannot be solved by an even bigger explosion-
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As for 'vote bjl as he is being useless', not answering questions and such is scummy. He was doing that before he was sick. That (combined with yernab's weird play and most importantly the congratulating the doc) settled my vote
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bjl is flat out scum and should be todays lynch, Ive explained why
Im not as convinced with cookie, as bad as bjl is looking scum I think Cookie would have bussed . . . I cant think of any explanation for Cookie's vehemence on bjl _not_ being scum, especially as soyasushi noted, Cookie claimed, so he has no hidden evidence (or he is a bloody liar)
tubby/manho - I like manho, he seemed town, though his 'lets vote bjl today and then cookie tomorrow' is a bit of a suspicion along the setting up lynches lines. I see no reason you two are necessarily a scumpair though . . . everyone except bjl and cookie thinks bjl is scum, so, you two are not necessarily connected.
As for you, I thought you were pretty suspicious yesterday, and, while you did go after bjl, you pretty quickly switched away to EC, and I think bjl is the better choice - Im sure you would have been willing to bus bjl if cookie hadnt turned upThere is no problem so big it cannot be solved by an even bigger explosion-
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Arent you now offering to do just the same thing you accused tubby of last time? Lynch someone you dont think is scum to get to the person you think is scum
Except tubby certainly didnt seem emphatic about wrath not being scum
And it was near deadline
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This also was my first time playing scum. I tried to do what I have normally tried to do lately . . . pick whoever strikes me as interesting and go after them. Didnt work so well (I kept getting picked out for being wishy washy before, so, that became 'thing I must try and avoid')There is no problem so big it cannot be solved by an even bigger explosion
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