Newbie 960 - Game Over

[andrew94]

first game at this website hi guys = =

rules of thumb= copy+ paste?

[andrew94]

having no avatar= a zero vector avatar= an avatar so its not so confusing since i have no avatar,

also, i play mafia the card version be4 with my frds, not really much online

[andrew94]

Unvote

since Ren cleared her reason up.

Vote: NomDePlume

cause of this question:

Andrew94: welcome, first game of mafia or just first game on this site?

It means he wants to know who the complete newbs are, because they can make an easy target for his scum tactics.

Yay we're off!

And, he is excited about getting started. He and his scum buddy must have made a plan before hand, and he can't wait to get it into action.

err i cant see the question???
am i blind or something

[andrew94]

how do i make avatar?

i said i play mafia with my friends with cards

[andrew94]

direct me to a avatar mine all cant put on, too big and not jpg or something

[andrew94]

i still cannot make avatar. too big etc. even paint with nothing is too big

[andrew94]

i already resized it and it says file thingee not r ight.

pls just gimme a website thingee, ill put t he website onto my profile.

y do u want more activity, so u can lynch off some inncocent? scummy.....

fos

ren

going off to sleep

[andrew94]

no, i havent played online mafia.
yes, i have play real life mafia ( 6 ppl)

is that what u were asking

[andrew94]

nah, ' i havent played online mafia'--- on this webiste


also, if you're gonna continueing to attack me ren, i might as well tell the truth later

[andrew94]

furthermore, ren do you enjoy repeating questioning then finding a flow/irregularity in my answers? if so i need a lawyer....

[andrew94]

p.s. think on the good sides of my ireegularities before jumping out like a lion pouncing on a deer

[andrew94]

you vote me for lying, but im pretty sure you lied as well, so should i place a vote on you?> there are a million reason that i should lie, and only 1 is bad

[andrew94]

how old are you ren?

[andrew94]

look ren, i have no way of knowing whether you lied or not in this whole game,

i however know that all humans lie, consciously or not, therefore voting someone that lies is kind a ???? idea

[andrew94]

every1 lies in this game, someone would lie about their age, others would lie about their time zones, some would lie about thier roles, others would lie about their EXPERIENCE

[andrew94]

i already said, i cannot find out lies until i ask a question 1 million times and ren answers 1 of them a bit differently

[andrew94]

there are 'good' lies and 'bad' lies. my 'lie' was considered good.

i also notice that most posts you make include a quote from someone else. so what if i want to go to sleep? can i not? so what if i dont like answering your question? i like avoiding it. can i not? its my first game on this website, why should i reveal my experience and get owned?
l

p.s. if i wanted to lie i would have lied better, you just confused the crap outta me with avatars and stuff.
other webiste never cared thats y, they dont ask 'huh whats ur experience'.




WHAT IS YOUR ROLE REN

[andrew94]

'we' are 21 years old?

huh?

[andrew94]

. What is your primary language? chinese

2. Have you had any experience with Mafia outside of this website? It can be real-life Mafia, IRC Mafia, forum Mafia, anything Mafia- or Werewolves-related.
other forum mafia, but extremely different playing style- firstly, every1 bullshits and theres way more ppl in a game, i am not used to this new website, where ren immeditely wants to know about my experience. i mean wth.. i dont want my experience known....
3. Do you feel Mafia theory has any place in scum hunting? Why or why not?
no idea whats mafia theroy
4. Should town players ever lie? Why or why not?
errr think about it yourself, there are plenty of occasions were townies lie
5. What is your preferred method of scum hunting? Why? (If this is your first time playing Mafia, I don't expect you to answer this question as thoroughly as everyone else, but I'd still like to hear your thoughts.)
this game is random because we dont even know all the roles, there are 4 different kinds? normally at other website some shit happens first day with a joker claiming everything, eventually most of the time wolf time loses due to jumpibng on lynch
6. What do you think about fence-sitters, the people who don't have a position either way? Is it an anti-town thing to do? Why or why not?
i notice a lot of ppl still havent said much, some especially kept quiet when me and ren were fighintg, im kinda sure they are elike on
7. This question is very important. It must be answered. Coca-Cola or Pepsi? mountain dew D




also, i made that random comment because ren said can we have more activity from ............
also i think that graphics calculator guy (forgot name0 wil check later) ;has he said anything so far

[andrew94]

it is because at that moment only me and ren were posting so he was focussing his whole attention on me, quoting everything i said, picking bones in eggs.

[andrew94]

what is his scummy motivation behind his inconsistency?

Not so much his inconsistencies, but more like these:

WHAT IS YOUR ROLE REN

and the fact that he has been unable to back up ANYTHING that he has said so far with evidence. Another thing:

What is your primary language? chinese

Sorry, but I smell a lie here. And this one has motive, people are already backing off of him because of a "language barrier". I have never heard of someone chinese that is named andrew. Sorry if this is incorrect, but I really do think it is a lie.

since wolf is the IC, I would like to hear more from him.

You only want to hear from him since he is the IC? Also:

Sorry all, work got me the past few days and I won't be able to give a good post here until Tuesday sometime.

mod if you feel like you need to replace me i understand but i will be back tuesday if that is ok

你好我爱你爱的死抱着不放. its my english name? came from 岸君

[andrew94]

since wolf is the IC, I would like to hear more from him.

may i know what IC is?

[andrew94]

ren, i dont want to say anything unnesseccary YET

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Vote Count

Day 1; 9 alive, 5 to lynch

andrew94 (2) - Titiboo, mb53
NomDePlume (1) - wolframnhart
Ren (1) - NomDePlume

Yet to vote (5) - andrew94, Memnon, Equinox, Kenman, Ren

[andrew94]

anyways, what does every1 think about the guy that had to go to work

[andrew94]

im a hindrance? what have u done apaprt from ur graphics calculator

[andrew94]

pls post those questions again, i must have skipped through them

[andrew94]

ok im gonna answer the questions:

the lies are considered good by myself because i had something to hide- my experience
in other games, i notice the most pro ppl get pwned first and 2nd nights, so im not wanting to be too pro.
cops and doctors and vigiliantes lie about their role
and i believe the truth is that im experienced?
im just thinking its sus that that guy had to go to work, so making discussion

[andrew94]

if i dont answer someones question, they gonna be like 'LURKER, anti town guy etc pls answer question or we lynch u etc'.

i was just trying to get some discussion going on,.


@ ren ur 1st question is already answered by my second quote

and ur 3rd thing is conflicting ' you dont saty ur role, but u dont lie' i find it hard to accomplise this unless i dont answer, then ur gonna be like 'oi dont skim through pages, anti town'


following ur advice, i am not answering the last question

[andrew94]

it only makes me shady and untrustworthy is because the only questions are directed at me.

i played 5 games, happy?

[andrew94]

equinox said: It's not just answering questions. As townie, you will also need to read other people's posts carefully and look for inconsistencies, slips, etc. Your #1 job is to find the mafia. Answering questions is secondary (but still important).

errr every1 is just questioning me there are NO SLIPS.
and i thought he was suspicious but not anymore because he actually asked for a replacement?

[andrew94]

what i meant was because all you are asking is questions, it is very hard to find YOUR slips

[andrew94]

[quote="ToG"]If mb53 has been voting anyone

Unvote

Ok, I have now completed my complete reread.

Town

Scotty7
I Am Innocent
Ren
NomDePlume
Equinox
Andrew94
Memnom

Scum

quote]

i am going to comment on this spreadsheat.
usually on my other website, mafia puts their teammate on the most suspicious people list as to not achieve suspision. also, since i am innocent justifies and some other guy agrees with him, you then place memnom on the most bottom. this is kinda sus cos you really look like your distancing yourself from him.


just my 2cents

[andrew94]

Why not post thoughts on the players that are here and worry about the others when they finally post? This sounds like stalling. If you think there is scum among the replacers, who and why? Come on, get your hands dirty already. Sitting back and asking theory questions isn't helping this game move forward at all.

I was thinking of probability when I said I thought scum would be among the replacements. With four replacements needed, chances are there's one mafia among them.

I'm stalling because I don't like working with half a game. Lynch me for that if you will, but I think scum would be a bit more eager to push rather than sit back. There are plenty of cases to piggy back right now.

Is it legal to communicate from the grave through your spreadsheet with us ?

I got a "no" from one of the moderators, so I'll do the same thing here.

Spreadsheet

If I'm dead, spreadsheet dies with me.

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Now that I've done a run through...

I'm tempted to call a Ren + andrew94 team based on their interaction, since it looks like distancing taken a bit too far. Both of them have been tunneling each other to the exclusion of all else.

I've defended andrew94's defensiveness before, but I can't deny that he appears to be hiding something.

Sotty7, I Am Innocent, and ToG appear to be fine, so my initial statement that one of the replacers is scum might not apply. Of course, we still need to hear from Titiboo's slot. Leaning town for NomDePlume.

Not sure what the obsession with Memnon's graphing calculator is. Sure, it's as bad as a dice vote, but scum could just as easily make up some reason during RVS as town. Not significant.

Null on Memnon. It looks like a bunch of newb tells to me, rather than scum tells.

I'll admit all that makes it look like I'm fence-sitting. Ugh.

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We will still try to get on to post when we can but we will be really busy with work every day till monday and then things should go back to normal.

Ren last posted on Friday, and they'd previously hinted at limited access until today.

Requesting prod of Ren if they don't post by Tuesday afternoon.

what i meant was because all you are asking is questions, it is very hard to find YOUR slips

andrew94 last posted on Saturday with no indication of V/LA.

Requesting prod of andrew94.

so basically, your still fence sitting? telling the mod to pod ppl is a way of not getting off the middle of the fence? correct me if i am wrong

[andrew94]

i just havent posted for 20 hours and im MIA? is that missing?
and yes, in previous games, there is ONLY ONE possible set of roles. in this, there might not even be any power roles and ppl can just bullshit and no1 coounter claims due to not even having THAT role.

also, you are still fence sitting equalix.

and ren is my top suspect.

[andrew94]

yes,i am uncomforable with teh interrogation cos i dont have the chance to retort and find some wolves; especially random people liek memnono just adding in.

now, i find ren extremely sus cos hes just lurking while equionix well.... is just posting a lot of things to defend himself. i strongly suspect ren is scum or equinox and memnon wolf pair

[andrew94]

ren

[andrew94]

look, if ren lying about her age is not considered scummy, then how does lying about my experience make me scummy

i believe someone said before: 'lying is anti town, if ur townie you dont have to lie, only scums need to lie' etc etc.

also @ ren, wolves= scum to me, i refer to scum as wolves.

also why do u emphasise on the need to

VOTE ren

. is it because the vote will not count, ir is it something more sinister such as drawing attention away from ren?

[andrew94]

i think ren is scum because she keeps asking me lots of questions and making every1 join in, making it extremely hard for me to look for wolves.
she then lurks when we are accusing her.

equinox is scum because he/she randomly defends ren, how do u know whats really going on?

also, i think we should also focus on the replacements since all they are doing is asking questions again

[andrew94]

Crazy posting. Equinox, I see you have posted a Memnon case and I don't have the time to look it over right now but I will over the weekend.

now, i find ren extremely sus cos hes just lurking while equionix well.... is just posting a lot of things to defend himself. i strongly suspect ren is scum or

equinox and memnon wolf pair

WOLF PAIR?!

andrew94, please do me a favor and read this post. I don't care if you skip the bottom part, but at least look at the first 6-7 lines.

We're using one of those four setups.

I actually think this is another pointer for AndrewTown. If he was scum he would have gotten a Goon or Mafia roleblocker PM. I'm not going to clear him 100% but this makes me even less interested in his lynch right now.

ok im gonna try this...

WHAT KIND OF bullcrap is this.
just cos i said wolf does that mean im not? wtf? so im suddenly andrew town now?you have absolutely no reason to trust me. so why are you saying i am town? BECAUSE U ARE THE FREAKING WOLF THATS WHY@!

[andrew94]

I've let this go far too long.

what the heck does this mean

i notice equinox is also useing the words 'poliocy lynch'

scotty keeps saying im townie, is it because he is scum and when i get lynched he can say 'I TOLD U SO'

finally, equinox says before 'haha andrew is townie' now he says andrew has shown repepatedly that he doenst. contradicvtion?

[andrew94]

no i meant i thought i heard i am innocent said dont use the words policy lynch wolves use it so they can pretend to be innocent wh en they flip town

and u just used the words 'policy lynch' equinox

[andrew94]

Sotty7: Townie. No comment.


Ren aka iamkingdavid: Tunnelled on andrew, then vanished into the dark oblivion of lurkerdom. Nothing on the replacement yet. I am content to leave my vote on her/him, unless I change my mind in the next two people.

I think Memnon is voting for what he thinks is the most likely lynch that isn't him.

i totally agree


also, what do you mean scotty is townie? how in the world do you know that? unless
1)ur scum and his not ur partner
2)ur scum and his scum and ur bussing him
3)u guys r friends and u cheated
4)ur scum
5)ur scum

[andrew94]

look wolves have to make up some goody reason to place their vote, although memon's reason was crappy, it actually sounded like 'nice' and believeable unlike equinox and ren who conjure up a series of metaphor, pillow puinching and imagery- WHICH does not have an effect on me.

[andrew94]

skill said:I’m ok with lynching either Andrew or equinox tomorrow (after discussion, of course, and not immediately like we’re setting up lynches) if I find them scummier by then, but I really don’t want to lynch them today. This may sound weird, but I stand by my decision
if i am not mistaken u replaced titibo.also, how can a person seem more 'scummier'. from my point of view ur post seems contradictary and confusing and weird

[andrew94]

i actually just said that random thing to test my avatar lawl

[andrew94]

nice ppl afking near the deadline

[andrew94]

my post was a random thing except when i asked 'how can a person seem more scummier'which i have received no reply.
afk= away from keyboard not flaking?

and
@ equinox ur last post makes no sense. i believe imkingdavid (ren) just said he gives resonable excuses for being afk. so......

i gotta go overseas {sarcasm]

[andrew94]

Conclusions!



Not because of your analysis, I did one of those on another forum when I was scum once (and everyone ate it up). And not because I think NDP is scum, because I don't. But it has entirely to do with you finally taking a stance.

taking a stance= not scum? whers the logic

[andrew94]

Mod: Skill unvoted Andrew when she replaced in

hint hint*

[andrew94]

i am innocent, you unvoted someone{equinox?) because they took a stance

[andrew94]

Mod: Skill unvoted Andrew when she replaced in

hint hint*

scotty, was that a hint to your partner to get of me? lawl

[andrew94]

errr i think he was hinting to you to place your vote somewhere else

[andrew94]

i personally think memmon claiming cop is kinda ___, if there is no doctor hes dead, if there is a doctor hes gonna get mega roleblocked. just food for thought
also nice policy lynch on me, DO NOT HAMMER ITS STUPID. if you want me to explain myself i will, however if you will believe me, its good/

p.s. i am not the cop

[andrew94]

Fine then. I would say it's your funeral, but it is actually my funeral.

/claim cop

@Memnon, if you really are a cop, there is a setup with a Cop & Doctor combination, so claiming doesn't necessarily make it your funeral.

Dude if I am not NKed that means there is a roleblocker. So I don't get an investigation anyway. Im dead or im roleblocked, unless mafia try to discredit my claim by letting me get a result.

The only good things about this are 1) you get a confirmed townie and 2) if anyone counterclaims me then I know they are scum, and if you lynch me then you know they are scum.

i dont understand ur bit should it be 'try to discredit my claim by NOT letting me get a result?

[andrew94]

i hope the dateline is 22 hours from now or more because i have to go to sleep now. will try to post at school

[andrew94]

i am the doctor

[andrew94]

gj guys

[andrew94]

Firstly I would like to know how to do iso reads

Claim: Not Cop

I'm a bit confused at the moment because I'm back to square two. I'll need to take a look at my notes again for Day 2; it's too late to do so for today, since it's going to take a lot more than "this seems a bit scummy" to move off the current wagons.

I've said before that I would be uncomfortable with lynching andrew94. I am also currently uncomfortable with lynching imkingdavid. If I am forced to choose between these two, however, I will vote to lynch andrew94 as a policy lynch.

Vote: andrew94

Yay for following imkingdavid... for now.

As for actual stances: I suggest questioning Skill006 tomorrow for reasons I've stated in my second wall of text. I am also going to keep an eye on ToG (mainly for things mb53 did that I found pretty odd) and NomDePlume (just in case, even though he's cleared for now based on meta).

i believe someone stated be4 that they didnt like policy lynches but now u decided to use the words 'policy lynch'


also, I had 3 votes on me, now looking back I strongly suspect one of them is wolf as the wolves could have just hammered me.

[andrew94]

i actually said look at the ppl on the wagon, wolves would have jumped on the chance to own me, but they did not , this suggests that either 1, or 2 of them were already on my wagon or they dont wanna be linked to it

[andrew94]

is there a need to ask who i protected? it is obvious

[andrew94]

i protected memnon at night happy?

[andrew94]

I'm going to allow myself a little bit of WIFOM speculation here, only because it's something I'm going to personally look into. I'm going to assume, for now, that andrew94 really is doctor and tried to protect Memnon. Roleblocking the doctor and killing the cop is sort of an odd thing to do, considering that not everyone bought Memnon's claim. (At least, I didn't, hence my willingness previously to lynch him to prove his alignment.) Off-site experience suggests this is something an inexperienced scum team would do: Kill the cop at all costs. That's just me, though.

aka me? inexperienced? what are you trying to hint here?

[andrew94]

I'm starting to get more suspicious of equinox, less suspicious of sotty, and just a tad bit of IAI, but not too much (though I know we shouldn't turn a blind eye to him).

That looks better.

===

...okay. So, I officially need to do some isolation reading. That's going to have to wait for a couple of days, though, since my unexpected V/LA has put me way behind in everything and I need to prioritize. I hope to get everything ready before the 72-hour mark.

how does that look better? anyone
can write that

[andrew94]

The real meat of this post:

NomDePlume had stances early in the game, but that pretty much vanished during the latter part of Day 1. This may have been due to things in real-life, but I'd like to hear more from NDP about the circumstances around the imkingdavid lynch, the NK, and the speculation we just had at the start of the day.

The people who have posted in this thread so far have posted their stances on things, with the exception of andrew94 and ToG. ToG, thoughts on the same things I asked NDP?

andrew94, why did you become upset when we asked you who you protected?

so you attacked him, unvoted and now attacking him again?
i have posted my stance- you and ren aka imkingdavid
i didnt become upset? i merely said 'happy now?'

[andrew94]

but you ARE my suspect still?

[andrew94]

how am i supposed to know how wolves operate, in my previo9us games, the doc obs protects the cop so he gets 1 check at least? i just thought that was pretty obvious guess not

[andrew94]

With all that being said,

@mod: Can you please replace me?

I really hate to do this to all of you, but my play is going to get disgustingly lazy (even moreso than it already is) and I don't think I'll be able to keep up with the game with everything going on right now. Summer just isn't a good time for me to play mafia.

too pro, playing the replacement card now

[andrew94]

i dont get the above post



replacement card=
ppl1;lynch ppl2
ppl2: sup i gotta go replace me pls

ppl3,4,5,6 ok ok we cant kill replacement etc etc etc
replacement ppl 2:sup reading throught blh blah blah
3 days later:

ppl2 is WOLF
GG

[andrew94]

limited access?

[andrew94]

y the change of avatars so much o.o

[andrew94]

equinox ,skill/netopalis

[andrew94]

equinox ,skill/netopalis

Why Skill006/Netopalis?

didnt netopalis replace skill?

[andrew94]

Nom de Plume is probably town. There is no reason for him to defend Andrew if he is scum and Andrew is scum - Andrew was setting himself up to be an easy lynch target and Nom de Plume, if scum, should have started handing him some more rope. Thus, I feel as if Nom is likely town. (Note: I wrote this before I got to the point that Locke Lamora replaced NDP. Same stuff applies.)

Hi.

I also defended Andrew, what do you make of that? In fact, I have defended him harder and more often than Nom did, why don't I get a town read for that?

YEA well HE GOT REPLACED [sarcasm]

[andrew94]

equinox ,skill/netopalis

Why Skill006/Netopalis?

didnt netopalis replace skill?

Yes, but that's not what I asked. Why did you suspect Skill006?

Mod: Requesting second prod or replacement of ToG. He has been inactive since Wednesday.

cos he afked, then ask replace also afk when i claimed. and thats about it

[andrew94]

Nom de Plume is probably town. There is no reason for him to defend Andrew if he is scum and Andrew is scum - Andrew was setting himself up to be an easy lynch target and Nom de Plume, if scum, should have started handing him some more rope. Thus, I feel as if Nom is likely town. (Note: I wrote this before I got to the point that Locke Lamora replaced NDP. Same stuff applies.)

Hi.

I also defended Andrew, what do you make of that? In fact, I have defended him harder and more often than Nom did, why don't I get a town read for that?

YEA well HE GOT REPLACED [sarcasm]

*sigh* him being replaced has nothing to do with this point. Please re-read and think about what is said.

= = = = =

.

i am clearly saying that because nom got replaced, OBVIOUSLY he should automatically town as someone has said in the past

[andrew94]

My town read on you, Equinox, is not due to the "insightful" comment, but rather because you've done stuff that you really didn't need to. If you're scum, you've given up an awful lot of opportunities.

IAI: Thinking about it more, reading more, writing up the cases...It bumped you up in the order of precedence. I've given examples of your questions that I found to be scummy already. I think that you've largely ignored questioning Sotty. You agree with him an awful lot and you mention him in passing, but you never really engage him on some of his trickier posts. To me, that's a pretty glaring oversight.

that sounds as if you are defending equinox AND accusing him at the same time.wtf?

[andrew94]

Yes. I also feel that a lot of your questions are designed in such a way that you already know the answer. You're looking for evidence to lynch somebody that you've already decided that you want to lynch.

can you please give examples

[andrew94]

can someone please look at the case i put against equinox.

[andrew94]

can someone please look at the case i put against equinox.

You've only accused me of being mafia. You never put an actual case against me.

case1- accuse ndp then after a short defence unvotes him (it seemed to me as if you never intended to vote him or let him get lynched in the first place i.e, false accusing or floating?

case2- your statements just seem wrong to me (ill find some)

[andrew94]

so you attacked him, unvoted and now attacking him again?

The last time I attacked NomDePlume, I did it based on something he said that I felt was scummy. His rebuttal was solid, so I dropped the case.

This time I am attacking NomDePlume based on something else. I may have to drop the case again and start over if NDP is AWOL, though... >_o

solid rebuttal= ndp post #23

[andrew94]

i see some liquid rebuttal there not solid

[andrew94]

There are a lot more walls than I was anticipating in this game.
On page eight, it looks like Equinox and NDP (or whoever replaced him) are scum.

i see no post of ndp and few of equinox on page 8?

[andrew94]

post 26 of ndp: Ugh, what a mess.

I've seen people using IKD's tone before and they flip town...

UNVOTE: ImKingDavid

post 28 of ndp: Obviously we need a lynch so I'll revert if necessary before the deadline. Has anybody got an alternative?

Ok, I'm here and we need to get a lynch sorted pronto. Out of IKD and Equinox I prefer IKD as the lynch.
Equinox has been incredibly indecisive and uncommital in her suspicions but it has been a hard first day and some of her stuff I thought was town talk. I suspected Ren strongly and nothing IKD has said has me reading him as town - apart from that "lynch me now" post which could just be as he and IAI say, a cool scum.

VOTE: ImKingDavid


please look at above.


also, i just THINK the rebuttal is not as solid as you said it was. in fact hes just defending his actions- any one can do that

[andrew94]

IKD was lynched on D1. He was a townsperson. Seriously, read the bloody game.

wtf did you even get what i posted?


@equinox shes makaing another classic example of how easily she backs down.

i find equinox sus cos she always makes a cast at someone that backs down? (she doesnt back down easily apparently)

vote ]quinoix

[andrew94]

also, i think iai equinox and scooty 2 of them are wolves cos it says '4 to lynch' and 3 already on neto so just one jump in and can make the ratio 4.2 then 3.2 after night

but since no1 jumped in after they wolf?

[andrew94]

what townie wind?

[andrew94]

errr im accussing equinox all the time and now even more cos of your backing down.

i accused the ppl on the wagon or neto
either ppl on wagon are wolves
or neto is wolf.....

[andrew94]

/facepalm

either ppl on wagon are wolves
or neto is wolf.....

You're accusing people because they're on bandwagons?

Is there a reason why you think bandwagoning is a scum tell?

/facepalm
i explained earlier that 3 ppl were voting neto , only 1 more vote and his out! so any wolf could have voted and got rid of him right....
so either neto is a wolf therefore his partner doesnt wanna get rid of him, or 2/3 ppl on the wagon are wolves....

[andrew94]

Why did YOU not vote Netopalis, then? Are you a 'wolf' with him?

yea of course i am thats why i totally suggested the idea to doom myself [scarcasm]
i didnt vote him COS HE GOT REPLACED [even more scarcasm] (actually i found equinox more sus yeaa)

also, you keep jumping off and on someone, and now u say u should have 'stick to your guns'

and you refer to yourself as a 'scummy townie' -paradox>? wtf

p.s. stop referring to yourself as equinox

[andrew94]

DUDE EQUINOX I EXPLAINED A MILLION TIME

NETO WAS 3 VOTES ONE MORE VOTE AND HIS OUT got that?
then if any wolf votes him HE IS DEAD
since no1 votes him that means he is wolf, or that ppl on the wagon are wolves. get it? seriously



and i SAID SARCASM WHEN I SAID 'HE GOT REPLACED' ur deliberating ignoring the fact that im accusing u of not sticking to your guns


read the whole passage jeeez

[andrew94]

if they hammer neto and assume his town the ratio is 4 to 2 then night kill psssoh 3 to 2

then.....

[andrew94]

admitting your mistakes cancels them? i wasnt aware of that

[andrew94]

admitting your mistakes cancels them? i wasnt aware of that

Is that what I was saying?

No.

u were implying it by saying 'i should have' blah blah blah
that just makes me think ur trying SO HARD to justifying ur actions

[andrew94]

i was playing maplestory due to the new release of dual blades.

i protected nikanor last night because i figured he and sotty was one of those not on neto;s wagons and it was one of them to protect as they are thus not a valid wolf suspect, thus the wolves would kill one of them at night. on hindsight, it probrally didnt matter anyway because i probrally got roleblocked anyway. so why ask who i protected?

@ equinox all ur posts indicate that your town and appeal to emotion 'guarenteed lost' blah and bullshit and your extremely scared to vote someone instead wanting to use 'FOS' . why is that? is it because your scared that you vote someone, nobody follows and your obviously scum?

[andrew94]

andrew94, just vote if you're convinced Equinox is scum.

nice job of saying that (sacrifice) so your partner would not be involved and could claim 'afk'

vote equinox

[andrew94]

zzz equinox u screwed my epic plan up but i still think ur scum

[andrew94]

Normally

I would try to weasel my way out of this, but if I was unsuccessful on Days 1 and 2, I doubt there is anything that would change here. What is the point of convincing someone who doesn't even bother to read the thread? This scum read andrew94 has of me started when I questioned him, and he has never taken it off since; that is my fault, and I will take entire responsibility for town's loss in this game. I also should have replaced out; that would have changed the situation as well... perhaps, as andrew94 seems to think replacing out is a town tell.

All in all, I am absolutely angry at all the failure, most of which is

my own

.

I'm done arguing with Nikanor. I've been holding on to this since this morning, hoping to get Nikanor to explain how andrew94 and Equinox were miraculously clear of killing jasonT1981 before shooting down. Now I'm tired, and I want the game to end or at least get moving to Day 4.

Since Nikanor has used "NK analysis," I feel that gives me license to do the same thing. After my game with Incognito in 958, I am not going to let something like a "WIFOM!" accusation stop me from using NK analysis.

Nikanor benefits the most from jasonT1981's death.

I dug up I Am Innocent's, Locke Lamora's, and Nikanor's scum meta. I Am Innocent and Locke Lamora have never, as far as I can tell, had a completed scum game with jasonT1981. They are out of the running for now. Nikanor, however, has had two: Open 167 and Mini 916. Nikanor the scum did not really get a chance to play in Open 167, as a cop investigation threw the game to town. However, Nikanor was in a team with jasonT1981 in Mini 916; being in a scum team gives you great illumination into your buddies' scum tactics, which makes for excellent metagaming in future games.

Even if I lose this game, I want the chance to be able to call at least one scum. Here we go. Take it away, everybody!

VOTE: Nikanor

there is also the argument that they knew of this and chose to kill jason......

[andrew94]

my plan = waiting for someone to vote equinox (means that guy prob wolf) then i ninja unvote but since nobody has done that.... it is shown that equinox is wolf?

and u made this flawed argument about nikarnor to blow my plan up

[andrew94]

and lol again and again equinox u make a flawed/flawless case and then unvote.

gj

[andrew94]

i said 'it is shown that equinox is wolf' because no1 hammered her

flaws= equinox/ppl know he and jason played? so equinox/ppl killed jason then equinox brings out this case and attempts to vote nikarnor out then immedaitely unvote soon after

[andrew94]

Oh, yeah. What's this NK WIFOM and NK analysis you were on about? I'm still interested.

In the meantime... I'll probably look into the case on IAI. I'm going to give it a few hours before I start, though, because if scum quick hammers, I'd have wasted my effort.

do u mean quickhammer you or iai. becos if its iai its not a waste of ur 'effort'
and it cant be you cos ur fcking wolf

[andrew94]

i have absoulting no proof that you are not wolf ok?theres 4 other ppl so theres 50% chance im right.
with your sus votes and unvotes that increases it to 75%
when u said u should ahve lynched me on day 1 thats 90% now
and I KNOW YOUR THE KIND OF PERSON THAT DOES THE RESEARCH

even if they dont do the research and you only did the reserach after nikanor announced he was using nk analysis, it would either be nikanor wolf or the wolves just randomly killing someone right..... (tell me if u agree on this or not)
ur implying that theres a bigger chance nikanor killed jason then some random person killing another random person(jason)
i was just thinking it was an extremely good wolf proposal when you went ahead and unvoted


there we go.
voting and unvoting very fast when ppl are afk is JUST LIKE FOS
U DONT WANT UR BUDDY TO GET VOTED OUT SO U UNVOTED HIM WHEN HE MADE A RESPONSE.
its that or you just saw no1 bandwagoned and quit the case

either way gg for u

[andrew94]

p.s. whats ockhams razor

[andrew94]

My line of thought was something like:
Nikanor was suspicious of Sotty and IAI, Equinox was suspicious of Nikanor, andrew was suspicious of Equinox, IAI was suspicious of nobody and Locke was suspicious of Equinox.
A jason kill there makes no sense from you since a wildcard would be more beneficial than what we have now.
I think andrew is town and I know I'm town, so voila.

the only way u can confirm that i am town is if you are wolf!

[andrew94]

Occam's razor (or Ockham's razor[1]) is the principle that "entities must not be multiplied beyond necessity" (entia non sunt multiplicanda praeter necessitatem). The popular interpretation of this principle is that the simplest explanation is usually the correct one. However, this is often confused, as the 'simple' "is really referring to the theory with the fewest new assumptions." [2]


what was unexpected

[andrew94]

i accuse everyone

[andrew94]

lol nicolbolas is browsing this topic. definitely an alias of nikar

[andrew94]

unvote

in case im wrong

[andrew94]

mmind telling me whats scum meta

[andrew94]

let us be reminded that locke hammered

[andrew94]

nice ppl pretend afk

[andrew94]

the requested topic cannot be found

[andrew94]

locke and iai u have 12 hours to say something

[andrew94]

if equinox is wolf then her arguments are bullshit
her arguments her bullshit
shes wolf!

[andrew94]

edit: her arguments are* bs

[andrew94]

dam = =

[andrew94]

i copied it from wiki

[andrew94]

i said i got it from mafiascum wiki theroy.
it was meant as a joke and i thought u wouldnt know it

[andrew94]

Locke, enough people think that Equinox is scum that pushing a lynch on her would've been easier than cooking pancakes (which I would never do, kind of like I would never push a lynch on Equinox in this game). If I were scum, I can assure you that I would have voted for Equinox.

well.... that doenst make a whole lot of sense.

[andrew94]

nikarnors explanation didnt make sense i unvoted cos of that.
but keep in mind that there is 2 wolf...

[andrew94]

ermm the 2 wolves timeline is prob different. so when they can see one vote one of them is afraid to vote and instead waits for his/her partner to vote so he can pile on it.
however, the partner might be thinking the same thing

so instead they have to wait for 2 votes on a person, then they hammer

[andrew94]

look nik equniox and me were on at that time

equinox 1 andrew
iai 1 nik
nik 1 equinox

so if equinox was town, wolves cant finish the game becos equinox wont vote herself
if nik was town, wolves still cant finish game becos nik wont vote himself
if iai is town, me and equinox could hammer(but since im not wolf, plus my vote was on equinox at the time)


also @ iai i believe my point of timeline and wolf scarediness is valid
no wolf would dare to put the 2nd vote even if a townie voted another person becos the first peron could 'haha unvoted!'
so the more active person would be waiting until his partner came on(but then his partner might be toilet or something) so the first person can unvote.
so both wolves dont wanna get revealed for the 2nd vote. THEREFORE only way wolves can win is if 2 townies vote a person then he hammers......
that was the point i was making

[andrew94]

my plan was do to tunnel vision on a single entity (ie equinox) whom i felt/knew was townie so into making my survival ensured as it would seem natural for me NOT to die at night even though i claim the doctor. then i would suddenly not go after equinox at d3.

vote nikanor

[andrew94]

lol i tunnel vision you so that i dont get nk'ed cos your townie

[andrew94]

how would i not...

[andrew94]

yea and ur my partner good job...

[andrew94]

i am interested in who memnon checked first night

[andrew94]

still waiting for who memnon checked night1...