Newbie 975 - Game Over

[Ythan]

Confirm. Do we only have one SE?

[Ythan]

Strange. Is this a new policy? Too many newbies, not enough experienced players?

[Ythan]

I have rarely seen this, but some players in the past have apparently attempted to trick other players with votes that would not be counted for some reason or another. Now most mods count any vote that unambiguously refers to a specific player in order to prevent that sort of thing.

[Ythan]

I'm your IC. I can answer any questions you may have about how the game works. Also

vote Kazasama

.

[Ythan]

ICs are experienced players who help in newbie games. They can still be any role. And no you don't ever just randomly vote for an entire day.

[Ythan]

Please explain votes. If asked to do so. As I am.

[Ythan]

The latter, though it's always a good idea.

Vote Count

Kazasama (1) - Ythan
montgomery (1) - Muthaa

Not Voting (7) - Kazasama, Good and Honest, Mitsuru Kirijo, Greydead, montgomery, Ottofar, FEMM the Attorney

With 9 alive it is 5 to lynch.

[Ythan]

Why did you place your vote.

[Ythan]

Policy vote based on inexperience in a newbie game.

[Ythan]

Policy vote based on inexperience in a newbie game.

is that at me Ythan? or to your vote? sorry Im just a bit confused as to that.

You.

If anyone has any questions they want to ask, no reason not to do so.

[Ythan]

I assumed that the unicorn was an attempt to avoid suspicion, as I have seen some people do. I'm pretty sure you had it before this game started though, so it obviously has no relevance to your role here.

[Ythan]

Some players have been known to choose avatars that they believe will cause other players to ignore them. And I said it

doesn't

have relevance. If she had the avatar before she received her role, how could it?

[Ythan]

Anything a player does after they receive their role may be relevant. Anything that happens before clearly is not.

[Ythan]

Muthaa, you disagree about

what

exactly? Do you think either of those two points is incorrect somehow? Don't just get your last word in then call a conversation over. And I voted for Kazasama because he is at the top of the list.

Monty, can't give you an example because I haven't delved into how that might actually work. I have only seen other players discuss it. It's not a significant portion of Mafia strategy.

Grey, you made a policy vote against another player. Your policy was their inexperience. This is a newbie game, and there is no reason to even think they are the least experienced player. Why?

[Ythan]

It's number of posts. Under 42 is Townsperson, under 100 is Goon. Above that is Mafia Scum unless you get a special title. There's also a new one for no game posts but I don't remember, it's really new.

What are these L1/L2 things you're talking about? L-1 or L-2? That's lynch minus a number, or how many more votes to a lynch.

[Ythan]

I never said it was a good tell or attempted to use it to support a case. Bring it up with players who do.

[Ythan]

Oh. My bad.

[Ythan]

Yep, majority. So, more than 4.5, which conveniently rounds up to the whole number 5. When there are an even number of players, like for example if we had 8 tomorrow, it would be 5 to lynch still because 4, being only 50%, is not a majority.

[Ythan]

@Muttha: suss = suspect, sorry if that like not apporiate termage for this site, its just how we speak of things where Im from

Is there an extended time, say an hour after all votes are in to change?

Where are you from, and no. Once there is a hammer nothing changes.

Another thing that I decided then was that I wouldn't lie while playing Mafia.

What's your alignment?

[Ythan]

A big empty post from FEMM.

[Ythan]

A big empty vote from FEMM.

[Ythan]

You can say it's still RVS if you want to.

[Ythan]

The kill is a factional ability. Just one. Also what makes you think it's two goons?

Vote Count

Kazasama (2) - Ythan, montgomery
montgomery (1) - Muthaa
Ottofar (1) - Greydead
Greydead (1) - Ottofar
Good and Honest (1) - Mitsuru Kirijo
Mitsuru Kirijo (1) - FEMM the Attorney

Not Voting (2) - Kazasama, Good and Honest

With 9 alive it is 5 to lynch.

[Ythan]

I wonder where that curiosity comes from...

If you have something to say you should say it.

[Ythan]

First of all, stop using ellipses. It makes me think you're scum. Second, you're clearly trying to make a point but distance yourself from it, forwarding a theory and then immediately calling it "just thoughts..."

[Ythan]

unvote vote Muthaa

[Ythan]

No it makes it look like you're full of crap. And getting an accusation out without sticking to it even in the same post does too.

[Ythan]

It is what I think, and that's why I've got a vote on you. Not defending yourself is why I'm keeping it on you.

[Ythan]

Additionally, if the scum team is a blocker and a goon and the goon dies, the blocker can both kill and block each night.

[Ythan]

You're not really doing anything at all, are you?

[Ythan]

Okay then, what would you do if I started talking to other players about voting for you?

[Ythan]

What's the point of your first paragraph? Unsolicited information with no application.

And did I already say to let players answer their own questions?

[Ythan]

On one hand it's important to have players answer questions which may be intended to illustrate something about their standing in the game. On the other, nobody

needs

defending but for some reason scum often do it anyway.

[Ythan]

As quickly as possible. Prolonging the RVS and wasting valuable time is anti-town.

[Ythan]

No, what I'm contributing is an honest and open attack against FEMM. If you want to pick a different post of mine maybe and say that it's devoid of content I'll let you try one more other one again.

Vote Count

Good and Honest (2) - Mitsuru Kirijo, montgomery
montgomery (1) - Muthaa
Ottofar (1) - Greydead
Greydead (1) - Ottofar
Mitsuru Kirijo (1) - FEMM the Attorney
Muthaa (1) - Ythan

Not Voting (2) - Kazasama, Good and Honest

With 9 alive it is 5 to lynch.

[Ythan]

Given that it was an obvious attack I'm curious where you're coming from making such an assertion.

[Ythan]

I was talking about a single post. Not his other posts. And yes I can be a little aggressive. By all means, anyone, let me know if it put you off. Some players on the site can be pretty pushy, but plenty are not.

[Ythan]

So we should only go hard in reaction? OMGUS? And if you think I'm being

over

-anything then do tell me specifically what it is.

[Ythan]

Thanks Mitsy. I'm particularly interested in Grey's answer.

[Ythan]

Point out my empty post. Be specific. Show me where it was.

[Ythan]

I've read your posts and it's gotten to the point that I think you must be intentionally obscuring any meaning that may or may not exist in them. Put something solid in your case please.

[Ythan]

Don't you see how that's worse? Attempts to field any kind of attack without committing to it are scummy, I say. If you don't believe in it, don't say it. If you do, don't back off from it. If you're scum, get it out there then if people agree with it come on after someone else gets the wagon going. The last of those possibilities is why I'm attacking you now.

[Ythan]

So that's where you've been.

[Ythan]

What you did was field an attack and distance yourself from it. That is textbook scum behavior. It is a scummy thing to do. You are more likely to be scum for having done it. Simple.

[Ythan]

I told you to say something if it bothered you. And I never said my playstyle was the one correct one. I said you made a scumtell. Being accused is part of the game and its best not to take it personally. It's a game.

[Ythan]

This is a newbie game and you seem to be a newbie. Mafia on this site is different from mafia elsewhere. The purpose of these games is to educate. If you are unclear on anything, point it out or ask. I'm a player in the game, and while I am here to answer questions and clarify confusion, I can't answer any questions you don't ask. In the mean time I'm going to attack behavior I see as scummy until someone needs some help because this is a game.

[Ythan]

G&H, it's actually a case of Grey making OMGUS attacks against me by just repeating what I accused him of. Otto, on this site a godfather usually chooses who to kill but this game doesn't have a godfather. Either member of the mafia may choose who to kill but there will only be one.

[Ythan]

You're not voting a person to be actually lynched, nor really killing anyone. I'm put off by G&H's weirdness. I don't get the point. And I don't like gimmicks. They confound simple reads.

[Ythan]

Good and Honest just strikes me as someone who hasn't grasped the mechanics of forum mafia yet. I'm sure they'll adjust.

It doesn't sound like a mechanics issue to me.

Is there a scumchat forum in quicktopic or something alike, by the way?
Assuming there is, why would've I asked on the thread?

Wow that's really

Oh god, I just realized how WIFoM-ish that was...

Yeah.

Some mods use quicktopics, some don't. I really want to know why you asked this.

[Ythan]

Curiosity or "Look I must be town if I don't know how the mafie communicates."

[Ythan]

That's it, Webz?

[Ythan]

Your selection of Otto out of the whole thread so far just seems selective.

[Ythan]

unvote vote Greydead

[Ythan]

Wait are you accusing him based on his refusal to reveal his role?

[Ythan]

It is.

[Ythan]

Misrepresenting me and ignoring the meat of my attack on him. Then maybe flaking.

[Ythan]

Thought he may have left, looks like he didn't. Wonderful.

[Ythan]

Pathetic? If you want to talk about pathetic then we can talk about pathetic. If you don't think it will be too harsh for you.

[Ythan]

Everything that Webz just said. Goodposting.

[Ythan]

Quit your floundering. It's unbecoming and hardly necessary in an introductory game.

[Ythan]

I would like Greydead to tell me what specific action I am taking that he feels is unwarranted, because his posting of late seems to be heavy on complaint and light on game content.

Seriously, are you saying that your response has been so slight? I saw more of a reaction than that in a single post.

[Ythan]

If you weren't aware, there is a warning before you make a post if another post has been made since you begun. I typed a question only to have it poorly answered before I could submit it.

Now, given that it is your own talk that has dragged our conversation down into the grudge-potential range, trying to spin it off is yet more dodgy icing on the hollow cake of your participation in this game.

You attempted to call my post empty because you felt like parroting instead of responding to my accusation against you. You seem unable to address this problem. You're just blithering on. Stop and participate in the game please.

[Ythan]

Seriously, that still? Beating a dead horse. I say you're reactionary and false with your flimsy accusation. You pretty much are just saying "no you" with no support. And that's bad. Just so we're clear. And if I see disingenuous I see scummy.

[Ythan]

/barn

Now let's move on and be friends? Excepting when we lynch each other? Honestly, while this is pretty much how I always play, as an IC I need to try to reign it in. Sorry Grey.

[Ythan]

See Webz's post immediately preceding mine.

[Ythan]

Ythan only you are lynching me, my vote lies elsewhere, and I had moved on a few pages back. But lets move on.

I disagree and still find you incredibly dodgy.

[Ythan]

I'm not feeling much game-related activity from Muthaa's corner.

[Ythan]

My mistake, I had intended to answer that question. I think that questions asked of a specific player should be left for that player to answer

first

. Questions are asked for reasons, and those reasons can be undermined if taken by another player.

[Ythan]

FEMM, you're scum this time right?

[Ythan]

In my opinion, he is either, as you said (mont), curious or he is trying to make his first question seem like curiosity. Funny thing is that if he were really that curious wouldn't he check the first page for the rules and info about this game the mod posted?

This is your only post remotely connected to what's going on in thisgame.

[Ythan]

No, no I'm not. And isn't that metagaming?

No. Why do you ask? And that's a serious question.

[Ythan]

Town players tend to try to find scum in order to fulfill their win conditions.

[Ythan]

First of all, stop using ellipses. It makes me think you're scum. Second, you're clearly trying to make a point but distance yourself from it, forwarding a theory and then immediately calling it "just thoughts..."

[Ythan]

@Ythan: I know what you think, but that doesn't mean it's the same for everyone.

What are you even trying to accomplish with this part of your post?

[Ythan]

Reads to me more like attempting to undercut my accusation instead of refuting it, and as if you intend to ignore it unless it might actually get you lynched.

[Ythan]

Not good. You suggest that if he was town he could just wait and see but it's a pretty big deal.

[Ythan]

Why would you want to insist on a bad theory? Is that what you're asking? Implying that, if you do insist, it must be good?

[Ythan]

Well that's an easy question to answer for me, because I think you're scum. And scum usually need bad cases in order to win.

[Ythan]

No. I don't know where you're getting that idea.

[Ythan]

I don't get what you're not getting and if you don't ask for clarification on a specific point I don't know what to tell you. I think you're being intentionally obtuse.

[Ythan]

I don't get why you insisted that it must be a good case. It runs profoundly contrary to conventional logic.

[Ythan]

I believe that I have misunderstood your post and will drop the bit about you allegedly claiming it must be good if you held to it.

However I still think you're scummy for the post itself.

[Ythan]

Alright, content. By the way, anyone who doesn't want to play should replace out instead of trying to die. If you're not going to play to your win condition don't play.

The interactions between Ythan and FEMM the Attorney make me think that they have played together in at least one other game on this forum. Is that so? And are your interactions in this game based in some way on your previous game(s) together?

We played in a canceled newbie game before this one.

Grey hasn't posted in a bit. I may move Muthaa to L-1 if nothing else develops.

[Ythan]

FEMM echos.

[Ythan]

I personally don't think listing town reads is a great idea because it outlines the least likely lynch and therefore by some accounts the best kill for scum.

[Ythan]

It may be a matter of personal taste. I haven't really delved into it too far myself but I do often see it shot down.

[Ythan]

I don't like G&H's style but I have yet to find them scummy.

[Ythan]

You don't have to pick one.

[Ythan]

They get to talk but not kill before the game begins. And RVS isn't the most important place to look for voting patterns.

[Ythan]

I just mean, in RVS its unlikely partners will vote each other in fear it may cause a vote, if that makes sense? But still it could be wifom. But yeah its not the most important thing, just something to look into.

That doesn't make sense. Nobody fears that a random vote will lead to a lynch.

[Ythan]

@mont: Why are you pushing this?

The reason I'm considering putting you at L-1 is that you question regular fact finding efforts.

[Ythan]

Random votes don't cause lynches unless a majority of players are really dumb.

[Ythan]

Webz, you'd prefer if we wait? I don't like calls to wait without having specific mean time goals in mind.

Grey, I'm not getting into a slinging match. I'm telling you that random vote do not do that. I'm telling you this as your IC. If it is a RV it will not have that result.

[Ythan]

It can be the first post on a wagon. It will not give a wagon momentum.

[Ythan]

Was that a mistake or are you agreeing with me?

[Ythan]

What are the consequences of putting someone at L-1 that you're concerned about?

Vote Count

Muthaa (3) - Mitsuru Kirijo, FEMM the Attorney, montgomery
Greydead (2) - Ottofar, Ythan
Ottofar (1) - Greydead
montgomery (1) - Muthaa

Not Voting (2) - Good and Honest, Webz

With 9 alive it is 5 to lynch.

[Ythan]

It's good as long as there's something to talk about.

[Ythan]

Don't just ask for claims. Ask for claims at L-1 before you hammer.

[Ythan]

Ythan that was me echoing you, I do agree with what you said in that quote. (:

Ok. I don't understand your concern then.

[Ythan]

Claims are for right before a lynch.

[Ythan]

Muthaa or Grey. I am not saying I don't want a Muthaa claim but it should wait until there is nothing left to do but lynch. Although we do still need time to reassess if he has a meaningful claim, so don't dick around.

[Ythan]

Has everyone posted top suspects? That would be good.

[Ythan]

Are you an alt?

[Ythan]

You and now also Otto.

[Ythan]

Alternative account.

unvote

And yes, the day can end without every player voting.

[Ythan]

Your mention of Al.

[Ythan]

o, k.

[Ythan]

I don't support a claim as long as some players voting him seem ready to back off if he does something they ask. As I've said, a claim is for when a majority of players are all ready to see you hang.

[Ythan]

I am hesitant to say that they are bad, but in this case that is more or less the case. The purpose of a claim here is to prevent the lynching of a town PR, but we don't want town vanilla or town PR claims unless that player is going to die without one. A vanilla claim narrows the scum's search for PRs, and outing a PR is of course not ideal. But if the player is otherwise going to die and flip you may as well ask.

Vote Count

Muthaa (4) - Mitsuru Kirijo, FEMM the Attorney, montgomery, Webz

Greydead (1) - Ottofar
Ottofar (1) - Greydead
montgomery (1) - Muthaa

Not Voting (2) - Good and Honest, Ythan

With 9 alive it is 5 to lynch.

[Ythan]

G&H's posting style makes me want him to not be here anymore.

[Ythan]

If that's so, Webz, then he's doing a poor job of it.

[Ythan]

He said you're trying to avoid attention. You have a lot of attention. If it was your intention then you were doing poorly.

[Ythan]

Contributing information to the thread in which we're playing the game to which the information pertains. Derp.

[Ythan]

Don't ever "agree to" your lynch, with few exceptions. You know your role 100% and so you know that your lynch is not good for your faction unless it triggers some strange event or you're a jester.

[Ythan]

If you're town then you know that you're town and you know that your lynch is a mistake. But I guess you have tried to do something about it.

[Ythan]

Quotes. That confused me.

[Ythan]

Vanilla town claims typically precede lynches. The purpose of the claim is to assure that you don't lynch a town PR. Players scummy enough to be lynched should still be lynched if they claim VT.

[Ythan]

tbh leaving your vote on a player is consenting to his lynch.

[Ythan]

It seems to me that G&H thought Greydead was scum. He was the only one accusing Greydead of anything, and POOF. He's dead.

The only one?

I've played two games in which a kill like this happens, andboth of them were newbies.

Vote: Greydead.

Neat anecdote there.

Also, that's a really easy target for scum to latch onto and turn into a townie lynch.

This. It certainly is a weird kill unless they thought he was a PR.

Two times out of two, in my games(not on these forums, though), when someone is the only person to accuse someone of something, and is nightkilled, the accused person is scum.

I'm probably going to vote you for all this anecdotal evidence when I catch up.

Ythan: Is Ottofar actually onto something? Is this a strong scumtell, or a very dodgy one? I don't have the experience to judge.

This is WIFOM. If anyone believed it that strongly then nobody would do it.

vote Ottofar

[Ythan]

Not very carefully.

[Ythan]

eeny meeny

[Ythan]

Too early for a lynch? That's an anti-town sentiment to act on unless you have something specific in mind to spend the time on.

[Ythan]

unvote

No. Too quick, too little discussion, I don't like this wagon.

[Ythan]

Also, Ythan, why did you (seem to) dislike my unvoting for Otto when he was at L-1 (437) but do almost the exact same thing in 443?

I said I dislike the wagon.

Also, since I'm probably lynched today, you'll find at least one scum of the people accusing me.

Poor reasoning. Interesting though. At first I thought it was your attempt to set up a mislynch tomorrow but that wouldn't work if you flipped scum and so I can't think of how it would make sense from that position.

That is why we should lynch me today. I wasn't so sure before he didn't vote for me.

More poor reasoning. If you are town you know 100% that this is a mislynch, and it is one that would offer us nothing substantial.

Ythan, you should contribute more, since you are the IC.

I think I know better than any other player in this game what is required of an IC thanks.

He's got the definition right by the way.

[Ythan]

I have been hesitant to suggest that Otto be killed because of his request that his wagon be searched for scum. As I said, this would serve no pro-scum purpose

after his death

. However I have decided that it could simply be an attempt to prevent his death in the first place and so can not, as I now see it, be very meaningful.

[Ythan]

Since only Otto and Grey have votes and the one on Grey is from Otto I decided to review that vote. It's anecdotal. I don't like it. Good mislynch for him after all the hubbub yesterday or distancing. He's also very pushy over Grey's "overreaction" over his one vote, outright calling him scum. I'm okay with an Otto lynch.

[Ythan]

Yes. I should probably re-vote actually.

vote Ottofar

[Ythan]

EBWOP: After Otto posts, and claims, that is.

A claim was the first thing on my mind. An afterthought for you?

[Ythan]

I can't make sense of that. What, and why.

[Ythan]

Anti-town, pro-scum. Lots of people do it in newbie games regardless of alignment.

[Ythan]

Feeling pretty good about Otto as scum, especially that last comment. Also worse and worse about Femm continuing to push after me based on nothing but that comment at G&H.

[Ythan]

I am not. L-1 and I'm already on.

[Ythan]

And if someone does have a problem with it?

[Ythan]

!!!

He said second scum? Need to check, who did he say was first?

[Ythan]

Are you saying it's okay because you don't want to be accused of defending him?

[Ythan]

You keep mentioning it and it's very flimsy. That you have taken this long to drop it, and I only have your word as of your last post on that, is suspicious.

[Ythan]

Well he's dead now.

[Ythan]

Morning.

[Ythan]

I've had my suspicions against Grey, and why on earth is he trying to plant suspicions of millers?

vote Greydead

Everyone claim cop/not-cop. If we don't have a counterclaim we lynch Greydead. If he's town we lynch monty.

[Ythan]

Assuming Monty is telling the truth: Grey is first scum, second scum is within Webz/Mitsu/Femm. Night says we have a doc in addition to our cop, meaning scum has RB. Doc should

not claim

and just protect Monty if Grey flips scum. If Grey is the RB then Monty can investigate more. If Grey is scum then we assume Monty is the cop until lylo. If she doesn't have another result before lylo, or if she gets one going into lylo, then we can allow that she

may

be scum at that point.

[Ythan]

Ythan thats a bit of a mistake in your last part. The only way to find out that I am town is to lynch me, and lynching me would result in a game over and an inabilty to lynch monty. So I dont see how that works. And ty ald

It's actually not a mistake. I'm your IC to explain things like this to you.

[Ythan]

Roleblocker. In this setup, if town has either both a cop and a doc or neither then one of the two members of the mafia is a roleblocker. Their ability blocks a targeted player's ability. So, if he's not the blocker, the one who is can prevent your investigations.

[Ythan]

That strategy would be entirely pointless for mafia. At this point I am much more willing to trust Monty than I am you.

[Ythan]

I don't

care

. I don't think it will be a mislynch.

Monty, you should now that you're out. If you can confirm one or two townies then go for it.

[Ythan]

You're appealing to emotion. You can say that you're town all you want and it won't prove anything to anyone. We HAVE to lynch someone, unless you want to just no lynch until the mafia kills everyone, and I'd much rather lynch you, who I have found scummy and who a player who I trust more has claimed a guilty result on.

[Ythan]

I want to be nice because I am an IC, don't test the limits of my patience please. Your continual inability to accept that I find you untrustworthy and that I have no reason to believe you over another player is getting old.

[Ythan]

Interesting. I want to see everyone post before we have a hammer.

unvote

[Ythan]

Are you dense? You asked "is it not mylo?" And you're griping about me not answering, despite the fact that you must know the answer if you are paying the slightest modicum of attention to the conversation you're having with me.

[Ythan]

I'm not insulting you. You're insulting because you're flailing. Shut the fuck up and post game content please.

[Ythan]

First, as I realized shortly after my initial post, we're already in lylo. We have to choose between Grey and Monty and I think Grey is the obvious lynch. Grey has not made any argument or taken any action to convince me of his towniness, nor has he or any other player convinced me that Monty may be scum. Grey will hang today. Part two in my next post.

[Ythan]

For planning beyond today we must assume that Monty is telling the truth. If not then we won't make it beyond today anyway. Under this assumption we know that Femm is also innocent. This leaves Webz, Mitsu, and myself as the possible remaining scum. Good news. I'm the doctor and I protected Webz last night. Mitsu is the other scum.

[Ythan]

553 should say mylo, not lylo.

[Ythan]

The roleblocker is going to be attempting to block the cop, so that they can't investigate and reveal Mafia, or the doctor, so that they can't protect targets and prevent Mafia kills. A powered Mafia role is much more dangerous than a Mafia Goon.

Someone knows we have a blocker in the game.

I think you should just answer the questions, Greydead. Regardless of how hostile he's being, you should be able to answer questions, even if you consider another player overbearing. The sooner you answer, the sooner the town can get a read of you, and decide whether they find you scummy or not.

The thing is, if you answer questions with questions, alarm bells go off on my head right away saying: This person is scum. If you're town, there's nothing to fear from answering questions, regardless of their validity in your eyes.

To be honest, your accusation of hypocrisy on Ythan struck me as more of a newbie mistake than a scumslip. Even in the RVS, aggressive interrogation is an absolute must because it gets information out of people.

Three subsequent posts. Coaching.

Greydead I haven't seen a whole lot from. He strikes me more as newbie town. His actual asking of questions and attempt to answer questions (even if not to Ythan's liking) gives him a town vibe in my eyes.

There's no accounting for taste but I personally don't buy it.

@ Mod.

Think we can get a prod on Greydead? Thanks.

This.

Until I put them together I couldn't get a solid read on Mitsu. Good play. I'm convinced though that I was successful with my block and that it wasn't some misbegotten scum ploy.

[Ythan]

This was an inopportune time to stop posting, Grey. Also mod ninja!

[Ythan]

Also shoot I planned on using this in my claim but forgot.

[Ythan]

I clearly was, at least trying. 552 is easily the least civil post I've directed at him during this exchange, and in comparison with his own record it pales.

[Ythan]

Excitinggg. Can't wait to see more posting.

[Ythan]

I protected Webz, which as good as confirms him as town. If Monty is to be trusted then it's a Grey/Mitsu scumteam. We're just waiting for possible counterclaims.

[Ythan]

Which, actually, have not come up after everyone has posted.

vote Greydead

[Ythan]

Good one Monty. Also good job Mitsu. As I said, I didn't suspect you until I narrowed it down, and that has nothing to do with your play. This was a well-earned scum win.

[Ythan]

Femm I had Ythan tunnel on me,

As your IC I need to tell you that you are incorrectly using that term. Tunneling would be if I ignored everyone else and focused on you. Just because I found you much scummier than anyone else, don't dismiss it as tunneling.

Also I can't believe I forgot/never noticed that montgomery was female. Good thing I didn't post any flavor this game.

Hmm, that's an odd kill [G&H's death]. Not sure what to make of that. I guess I'll re read G&H's posts and see if I can work anything out.

I'm surprised Ythan wasn't all over this. Saying that a kill is odd or that you don't understand it is a fairly standard scum tell (though I'm a bit skeptical of it) so I would have figured that someone would have at least raised an eyebrow.

Oh, and if you look at the lynches both Mafia were on them except that Mitsuru Kirijo did not participate in the final lynch.

Props to montgomery for a very nice Cop claim. montgomery, in the future you almost always want to disclose all your results when you claim Cop, whether you're actually the Cop or not. The more you delay a full claim the more it seems like it's fabricated. The reasoning goes that a person who actually has that role can immediately explain everything, while someone who hasn't thought out their claim enough has to think before he reveals more.

On both of these potential tells, particularly the former, Monty's status as a newbie helped. In my experience it is risky to use many standard tells on newbies who are unfamiliar with site meta.

By the way, thanks Ythan for good docing (yep, I may be biased, but it did result in a null kill)

I protected you N1, too, if I recall correctly. Honestly nobody else seemed like a good target.

By the way, did you decide to claim cop when you saw a failed kill and knew there was only one PR? Good play in this setup.

[Ythan]

Well, gg.

[Ythan]

Personally I don't enjoy being scum as much. Hope you got some good PRs at least!

[Ythan]

I have trouble pretending to scumhunt. If it comes naturally then you may have a fun career ahead of you.

[Ythan]

I should have looked at the possibilities if Monty was lying. I think that it still would have implicated Mitzy, buying us another day, but I probably would still have sided with Monty over Grey.

[Ythan]

G&H you're pretty sharp. I think that style's going to keep getting you into trouble though.