Newbie 1016 - Trouble in Joestown (Game Over, Mafia Win!)

[andrew94]

Also,
1) Is this your first mafia game? If not, give a little background info as to your experience with mafia.
2) What is your favorite alignment?
3) What is your favorite role?

1) no, 5th newbie game
2) independent
3)SK

[andrew94]

DO NOT LIE AS TOWN. Even if you are at L-1. Do not claim Cop when you are not the Cop. have u ever heard of drawing the nk target?

[andrew94]

err andrius, you gave me that scum role, that causes me to get lynched

i hate u 4ever = =

[andrew94]

vote noraaa

cos female? Oo

[andrew94]

1) lynch all liers?
2) lynch all lurkers?

[andrew94]

woman do exist over the internet...

[andrew94]

wraith, i am asking YOU specifically, do u lynch all liers?

finally, nice bandwagoning

[andrew94]

ok ur a lier wraith, should we lynch u?

[andrew94]

Hello, I'm Wraith, an SE. I've played or am in about 10 games on this site now. I prefer SK or scum greatly over town because I always get mislynched as town. Serial Killer is my favorite role so far, not only because it is interesting but also because

I've only ever been SK, Scum RB, or VT on this site so far.

bolded bit is lie

[andrew94]

newbie 978 = mafia GOON.
nice bandwagoning, and unvotes tyvm etc etc

unvote vote wraith

[andrew94]

hiraki. can u not talk inside other ppl's quotes
also, u said u doubt anyway that is town would lynch wraith, why the heck did you vote him then?
and how i 'trying to hard'

[andrew94]

I wish I was scum. VT gets boring after a while. And I mean a while. I was hoping to pull the wool over newbie eyes and finally win a game as scum but the dice didn't roll by way this time.

confirmed townie RIGHT THERE [sarcasm]

[andrew94]

hiraki. can u not talk inside other ppl's quotes
also, u said u doubt anyway that is town would lynch wraith, why the heck did you vote him then?
and how i 'trying to hard'

1)I was on my iPod where editing is horrible for forum posts, therefore, when I'm using my iPod, no. There was only one bold in Andrius' post, so I don't believe he could've been that hard to find.

2) I don't understand the part about "u said u doubt" please clarify/make it easier to understand.

3) Because you went back and looked for a single contradiction in his "IC" post. I don't see how/why he needs to say every role he's ever played since he has claimed to play 10 games. Again, like I said before, "lol u played 9 games, not 10" is not a scumtell.

@Wraith: I was assuming that your post about #58 was not toward me, but I must assume nothing. That post doesn't resolve my vote. You sir lied about your "RVS" vote, and I want some explaining.

2)

At the moment, I'm going to,
UNVOTE: displaced

FoS: displaced, tj84

VOTE: Wraith

Preview Edit: Andrew. I doubt anyone would want to lynch Wraith, and be town, for the reasons that you just added. People can forget games. Not to mention, lol 10 games, you only played 9" is not a scumtell. While it is a form of lying, it's not true lying. tl;dr: Dude, you're trying too hard.
.

you said 'i doubt anyone would want to lynch wraith and be town' but you just voted for him.. so... this is what i meant
3) i actuallly wasnt trying so hard to look at his games, he only played like 3 newbie games (which finished)
plus hes a SE, not an IC

[andrew94]

The wagon started because:

1. I made a late randomvote
2. andrew blew a memory mistake waaaay out of proportion

The only reaction fishing andrew did was the lynch all liars question. He nitpicked an early post, which is a major scumtell in my book. Town don't need to look for slip-ups to use against someone, they'll see them clearly enough.

no but your reaction was way out of proportion, which is a major scumtell in andrew's book

[andrew94]

I didn't like andrew94's 'nitpicking' although I do believe that in early game nitpicking is necessary to some degree to get things flowing. As for displaced, I'm still waiting for him to respond.

do some scumhunting instead of sitting on the fence pls

[andrew94]

Anyway, let me explain the Wraith case on more time. I don't think it was that hard to understand, he's basically ignoring it IMO.

Hello all this is my first mafiascum game, but I have played in a few games on a different website. I've very little experience of the various roles and alignments; I have never been given an evil role and only once been given a power role, that of cop, which I have to say was the most fun playing.

Vote: displaced

Why? You mean Mafia requires reasoning?

Are you all...serious?

Well, I'll give you this

reasoning

.

First "d" is lowercase.

GTFO SCUM.

So Hikari, you have voted for me for no reason. Why shouldn't I make a tit for tat response and vote for you? In fact why am I even asking that.

vote Hikari

This is terrible. That was obviously an RVS vote, you are overreacting incredibly. This is one of the few instances I will vote for an overreaction this early, especially because this seems like a serious response.

Unvote Vote: displaced

This is Post #3 from Wraith.

As you can see here, Wraith assumes, and he doesn't really care if displaced is scum. For all he knows, this could be a reaction test. Kudos to displaced if I'm right. I'm doubtful though. Doesn't really matter anyway, moving on.

Yes, lynch all liars. They're either scum or dangerous.

And it wasn't a bandwagon, that was a belated randomvote.

Unvote

This however, is Post #5 from him.

I'd love to know how that was a belated random vote. Because honestly, that doesn't look like a random vote to me. You stated in the post in which you voted him, that, and I quote with bold on the previous post "This is one of the few instances I will vote for an overraction this early, especially because this seems like a serious response". This is in no way a random vote, therefore you lied. Therefore, you're either scum or dangerous. See what I did there? This is why I'm confident in Wraith-scum.

I'd really like FullCircle, Andrius, and tj84. They're not underfire, and I am aware the game only started a few days ago, but I like to get things going.

is this sarcasm? because they havent said much = no1 noticing them = not under fire.

you know what, i completely agree with the contradiction of random vote+ reasoning

[andrew94]

to me it seems you are active lurking

[andrew94]

To get this clear how did this wagon on wraith start? From what I saw what happened was Wraith said lynch all Liars. He was pointed out for a "lie". This in itself is not scummy at all he wouldn't intentionally not mention a role hes been. After it seems he may overreacted a bit when Andrew applied some pressure. At first I thought Andrews arguments were scummy and overly aggressive but i realize that he was trying to see wraiths reaction. If this is the case and I'm not sure it is I think Wraith is the most likely to be scum at this point followed closely by displaced.

do not ask someone to summarise things for u, read it urself. stop just jumping in and asking random questions, says some suspisions without backing evidence.
above all , stop active lurking

preview edit :read my previous posts, i explained my pointing out his lie

[andrew94]

At the time of Wraith's vote-switching and andrew's "ur a lier", the pressure wasn't actually on either of them- it was on displaced, for his OMGUS vote against Hikari. Interestingly enough, displaced is one of the few people that andrew94 has not accused/attacked/whatever, despite the fact that he has only posted... once? I think? Correct me if I'm wrong. Anyway, he's one of the less active players, yet andrew has not voted for him or so much as mentioned him despite his desire to "Lynch all Lurkers." The Wraith bandwagon, which andrew has pushed for heavily, has taken almost all of the pressure off of displaced. This looks an

awful

lot to me like a Chainsaw Defense, and is, in my opinion, a good indicator that the both of them may be scum.

Another fact- guess who's voting for displaced? Wraith.
Dun dun dunnn.

So, my proposal is this.

Lynching andrew seems to be the way to go for D1. If he turns up Scum, we've at least somewhat cleared our other main suspect and established a link with another possible suspect, displaced. But then, should he turn up town, we've somewhat cleared displaced and damn near confirmed Wraith.

Thus:

UNVOTE

VOTE: andrew94

A note to whoever votes next- between nora and myself, along with the previous voters, andrew is now at L-1. If you vote, you're hammering him. Vote Wisely.

you failed. my desire is to lynch all LIERS not all lurkers,

[andrew94]

The wagon started because:

1. I made a late randomvote
2. andrew blew a memory mistake waaaay out of proportion

The only reaction fishing andrew did was the lynch all liars question. He nitpicked an early post, which is a major scumtell in my book. Town don't need to look for slip-ups to use against someone, they'll see them clearly enough.

no but your reaction was way out of proportion, which is a major scumtell in andrew's book

hiraki, are u blind?
i was using sarcasm, which copies wraith's book

[andrew94]

Ebwop: hiraki, you are really blind, all your posts dont make sense

after saying that NOBODY WOULD VOTE WRAITH AND BE TOWN, YOU VOTED HIM

finally, a lynch this early with half the players MIA fails, so i suggest some ppl unvote first in the case of soemone 'oops i didnt know that was a hammer, so sorrryyyy'

[andrew94]

obwodp: i was referring to andrious and tj94 whos votes were random votes, and which actually tj94 was defending me

[andrew94]

ok i finally understood what you meant hiraki:
you meant: no1 will vote wraith for MY reasons
i thought you meant: no1 who is town will vote wraith

anyway, with that gone, i am on L1. and this is only page 5, tj94 unvoting me is hardly suspicious, as i WAS on L1, and his vote was a random vote,
andrius, i dont believe your misclicked and lost it post, i find that you are intentionally keeping me at L1, remember, your vote was a rvs as well.

[andrew94]

look, i said andrious already had his vote on me for rvs
he then basically did nothing , keeping me at L1

[andrew94]

I wouldn't believe him if he -did- claim, because every game I've seen of him he's been scum that fakeclaimed doctor just before being lynched. Soooo yeah.

my dear friend, the only game that that happened was in newbie 960, but i actually didnt GET LYNCHED.
and in newbie **** (ongoing game) i claimed, no1 believed me and lynched me, and i was a townie.

get ur facts straight?
more discussion and less complaining about my english

[andrew94]

finally, i am not scum

[andrew94]

my barely coherent english?
are u racist?

and im trying to scumhunt but u guys ignore my points

[andrew94]

underfortunately, i am still at high school, and that is how i and my frds and everyone my age talks

[andrew94]

I wouldn't believe him if he -did- claim, because every game I've seen of him he's been scum that fakeclaimed doctor just before being lynched. Soooo yeah.

my dear friend, the only game that that happened was in newbie 960, but i actually didnt GET LYNCHED.
and in newbie **** (ongoing game) i claimed, no1 believed me and lynched me, and i was a townie.

get ur facts straight?
more discussion and less complaining about my english

Okay. You've done it in at least one game other than that, but it's ongoing so I'm not listing the name of it. Another game you claimed just after hammering the last viable townie so I got confused there (heny weny? lol). And you hammered yourself in yet another game that you proved scum in. I knew I wasn't completely wrong.

you are a lier. in NO game, did i fakeclaim doctor in which i was scum (hobbits medical = i didnt claim at all) (ongoing newbie game i was a townie)

[andrew94]

my scumhunting :

andrius said he prepared a huge post but he 'lost it', conviently keeping me at L1 while he is 'angry' with his random vote at the start of the game.
he is also a IC , not active etc etc (medium)

tj94 was defending me against hiraki but has his vote on me (his random vote, because my name is andrew and his neighbour is andrew), keeping me also at L1, does not unvote until pressured. ( medium)

wraith: i was provoking discussion, also he put me on L2 with his so called 'random vote'

hiraki: seems to be acting like the leader "today we lynch him" "2morrow we lynch him" - wtf...

[andrew94]

i only have 3 ongoing nwebie games now, one i got lynched already and is a vanilla townie, the only 2 i am still playing, wtf are u talking about.

in that hobbits mafia finished game, iwas a mafia goon but didnt claim doctor, so i still dont know wtf you are talking about

[andrew94]

when you see my flip, no matter what happens, lynch tj94 tommorrow. he is obv scum

[andrew94]

also, from now, every game im not going to contribute to discussion and instead lurk like andrius is doing. this seems to be quite an excellent strategy.


i am the cop

remember, lynch tj

noobs

[andrew94]

o yea, fullcircle/noraaa is prob the other scum

preview edit: why would i lie when i dead = =


(i checked tj94 night0 and hes scum) so lynch him 2 morrow

[andrew94]

yea if i claim guess who dies tonight retard.
your still scum so stfu

[andrew94]

it doesnt matter, when i flip cop, you know who to lynch tommorrow

[andrew94]

it still doesnt matter, when i flip cop, your as good as dead

[andrew94]

Leiskyrie brings up a good point. Andrew, if you knew for a fact TJ was scum, why the fuck were you going after me?

o yea, wouldnt it be obvious if i just jump on TJ for nothing, i would most possibility get lynched, or like when i go after you, get lynched

[andrew94]

logic > cop results.

tj94 is scum.
just hold of your trolling comments until my flip

[andrew94]

ur not listening to a cop?
good one

[andrew94]

dissapointed in andrius for lurking day1, maybe ill do that in all my future games.

and i didnt believe the doc claim, i even said there was no doctor.

killing thor made the game go from 10% speed to 1% speed , you could have not killed him to make the game go faster.


p.s. i cant believe day1 wagon was all town. (or was there 1 scum) call it mishandled

[andrew94]

Diaf lurkers