As of my first not-so-thorough readthrough,
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Olinea Mafia Scum
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Hey guys, I'll be the replacement for Spadille. It's my first game here, so I'm not sure how effective I can be in scumhunting and how much I may slip up. There may be tells that I'm obviously town and tells that I'm obviously scum. I'll just see how it plays out, I'll review the thread and get back.
As of my first not-so-thorough readthrough,FoS: neil1113and IGMEOY for wolf. But my reasoning is kinda weak at the moment, I'll re-read and see what stands out.GreyICE:
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Okay, really short analysis.
This post stood out a lot. I’d read the entire thread thinking Neil is scum, and so far, the only thing I found working for him being town is the fact that he posts quite a lot. I was genuinely surprised when I read that he'd played a ton of Mafia before. He targets Ups for "lurking" right off the bat (I believe this is the second post of the second page). Killing the RVS rather quickly, don't you think?neil1113 wrote:All of these votes in such a short time... it seems like that'd be the mafia's goal right? To try and get a lynch going on us and try to take us out... According to the info above, there are only two mafia. So this shouldn't be too hard to get them to expose themselves. My only concern right now is if Civil turns up to be scum. He's a bit more experienced according to the boards, and therefore he can play "Town" a lot easier then others. So to clarify Civil, I have my eyes on you.
Also, Ups it seems like you're posting just to get your name out there so nobody can claim you're "lurking", though you bring no valuable information to the town either concerning yourself, or concerning anything you've seen. Granted, it's day 1 so I'm not too worried about this but you're also in my sights. I'd rather not lose this game to the mafia scum, and so I'll be keeping a close eye out on this game. And if I get killed day 1.... I'll be rather mad. But if Civil or Ups really is scum, it'd be a dead give a way (okay, maybe not OBVIOUS but pretty clear) that you're scum. Just saying.
Now that I've had my say, continue on with your conversation.
The tongue thing is the only standout. Probably nothing. But this is why I suspect silverbullet. Scum obviously can’t avoid each other during the game; they have to act like they suspect each other. Silver and Neil’s interactions seemed very short-lived, but still there. At one point, I think Neil put a vote on Silver but removed it.neil1113 wrote:No. Be quiet Silver.
And Civil I did it way earlier so I could keep notes on the game and get an overview of who claims what, who's provided what info, who's lurked most of the game, ect. It's my default action at the start of every game.
P.S. Silver, you got me there. You're completely right on this one. Goodness gracious, I'd wish you stop doing that. You're making me look bad! I'm trying to impress the girls that read this! Gosh! *cough* scum... *cough*...
Neil seems to be going after the lurkers. Ups, Nevermind, and Yoenit. Going after someone purely based on activity seems scummy to me; it kills conversation. I read that "Shorter days hurt the town". Neil's certainly trying to shorten the days, I think.
Vote: neil1113GreyICE:
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Olinea Mafia Scum
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I'll be reading more carefully from now on, since I can view the posts as they're made rather than feeling pressured to read ten pages at once.GreyICE:
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Olinea Mafia Scum
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1. You've got to be kidding me, I'm not even going to respond to that.neil1113 wrote:*Sigh*
Oli, you've accused me with things that I have already defended. Please, read a little bit better next time before you make accusations. None-the-less, I'll do it... again.
Anything you say should be able to be used as evidence. Someone could dredge up this post ten pages in the future and use it against me. I still said it. The game isn’t about focusing solely on what was said recently.
1. The fact that I post a lot, would neither prove nor disprove if I was town.
I'm going off of very limited knowledge of how the game is played, I know. But more posting means more discussion.
2. What exactly does that mean? I explained to Civil I believe it was a little bit ago WHY I put myself out there. Maybe you should go reread that?
It was a vibe. I have a feeling I'll be relying on them a lot, at least for now.
3. I gave him a "FoS" if you choose to call it that. I wanted him to speak. That, my friend, is the point of Mafia.
Townies want people to speak for different reasons than Mafia want people to speak.
Neil seems to be going after the lurkers. Ups, Nevermind, and Yoenit. Going after someone purely based on activity seems scummy to me; it kills conversation. I read that "Shorter days hurt the town". Neil's certainly trying to shorten the days, I think.
I said myself that it's a weak argument. I assume you mean the tongue thing.
2. Wow. Really? Yet again another "Scum Team!" report, with little to nothing to back it up. Please, heed my advice next time and DON'T post theories without proper evidence?
"Scum Team" being the fact that I am aware there are two mafia members?
3. Again, really? First, I followed Ups into voting for him so it'd be more likely if I was teaming with anyone there, it was Ups. Secondly, I was going for the lurkers? Funny, I don't remember posting a single vote on Nevermind, nor on Yoenit. I called each of those three you mentioned out, to get them to speak but I never once put a vote on 2 of those 3 people you said I was using to "shorten the days." Also, I removed it because it was a stupid reason I put it on him in the first place. This, if you'd actually please take the time to read through, I also explained and the reasoning was quite obvious.
My bad. I should have been more clear when I used the term "going after". I don't explicitly mean that you placed votes on them. I mean that people who lurked always got jabs from you.
So to put it simply Mr. Oli,
Since you are new, I have no desire to really "pressure" you for your accusations with little to no proper evidenceThere's only one way to learn how the game is played. I don't want a watered-down version of it. Be brutal. Accuse me. I don't intend for this to be simultaneously my first and last game, and I don't want to have to keep playing like this where I pull two quotes out of 8-9 pages of useable material., nor with any true scumtells that you pointed out. You also missed very key points (either on purpose, or by skimming through and not actually reading up on me)The second one, though that applies to everyone. :/that I've stated that have both, A. Cleared my name for the time being at least from several of your accusations. And B. Put the reasoning behind a lot of what you just questioned, which shows that you truly didn't research me.I know I need to read it more.
If you'd like to vote for me, that's fine. But please, use evidence that is applicable, not old arguments that are in the dust? Also, I already have a vote on me, so your vote would only push further into the "bandwagon" chance. I'd like it very much if you could take your vote off of me now, that is... unless you have evidence that supports me being scum other than what you have stated, and what I have already disproved (per say.)?
I wouldn't call it a "bandwagon" if I'm the only one who hadn't placed a vote yet and you weren't even a top suspect when I did place it. And what's the difference between "bandwagon" and "placing a vote on somebody who you suspect is scum"? I’m not trying to rush the game along; if I were, I’d vote with the mass every single time. I'm saying that you are at L-3 and it'd take a major slip-up for three people to suddenly take their votes off and lynch you. If the situation were that only Razgriz and I had our votes up on you and seven others didn't, I would definitely do so.
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I'll stand by my vote. I don't want to halt what was going on before I subbed in. We'll see what happens. I'm not rigid and unchanging in my votes, but unfortunately I am a stubborn person by nature. I will reread the thread more carefully when I have a bit more time so as not to be completely useless to the town. I do not want to intentionally blind myself, both for the sake of this game and all others I will play in.GreyICE:
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Ups wrote:3. What do you do about people that bandwagon? -Look at their motives for joining, and question them. If they're town expect them to work off of evidence, if they're scum expect them to try to mislead.
Bandwagon claim is kinda tossed out here.Vinicius Chaim wrote:
bandwagon is really scummy, and I knewI'd be accused of it when I voted, but, at least until now, I don't regret my vote, you still are my top suspect so farYoenit wrote:Sorry to see you go Spadille. Best of luck surviving in the wilderness.
VOTE: unvote Spadille, Vote Vinicius Chaim
Just a placeholder for now, as my vote on Spadille was random and it would be rude to have a replacement enter the game with such a vote on him. Picked VC because he voted on me (screw you argument), was the third voter (scumtell ahoy!) and doesn't seem to have posted much yet.GreyICE:
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And one more before I'll probably turn in for the night.
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3. sorry, what's a bandwagon?Razgriz wrote:3. What do you do about people that bandwagon?
Either he's freakin' deductive or played dumb. Not sure what to make of that.Vinicius Chaim wrote:bandwagon is really scummyGreyICE:
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Vinicius, you're not the only one who's in his first game.
All this tells me is that you don't actually have a way to defend against that argument. Not knowing what a bandwagon is (or saying you don't, though I can't see how doing that would be helpful) and then claiming it to be scummy doesn't add up. I'll put up what the explanation was.Vinicius Chaim wrote:and now Oli, accusing everybody like a blind-shooter in the middle of the dark...
Look it over; Razgriz doesn't call it scummy at any point. Later on, you see it as scummy behavior; did you do some research or deduce that? After being accused of bandwagoning you just called it scummy and dismissed the claim; that may turn into WIFOM if I think about it too much, but do you have anything to say about it except "I'm not bandwagoning, in order to lynch you're gonna need a third vote"?Razgriz wrote:A bandwagon (BW) is when people pile on voting for people very quickly either lynching them or putting them a L-1. In the first few days before there are 6-5 people left a bandwagon is considered 3 people suddenly voting. Then the thrid voter is accused of bandwagoning, especially when the reasoning is poorGreyICE:
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That's what I said.silverbullet999 wrote:-Oli
This is actually untrue, a newb mistake that scum members make sometimes is completely ignoring (not interacting with) each other the whole game.Scum obviously can’t avoid each other during the game; they have to act like they suspect each other.GreyICE:
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I said that scum shouldn't completely avoid each other, then you told me something like "actually, you're wrong, scum shouldn't completely avoid each other". That's the meaning behind the "That's what I said" post.silverbullet999 wrote:EBWOP
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Just so you don't get confused oh holy oli
Now what you claim is in the above paragraph yet you now say that a newb mistake that scum members make sometimes is completely ignoring (not interacting with) each other the whole game.
Anything Spadille has said, I've said. I await your breakdown of his (and perhaps my) statements and claims.Civil Scum wrote:Silver: I also read Olinea's post with your same initial interpretation. In fact, I do think it was pretty clear that that was the correct reading. He looks to have back tracked a little...which is interesting to me since I was fairly suspicious of Spadille before he left us.
I would like to point out that in the other Newbie game he has played, in about the first 3-real days, nevermind managed to post about 75 times. This is day-7 of this game, and he's only posted a third of that. In other words, he was 6 times more active in his last newbie game than he is in this one, out of the gate. He finished that game with 174 posts.
He also sounds quite about different. In ways I'll explain and breakdown later when I have more time.
I think Nevermind and Olinea are a nice fit, and I also don't want to forget about Ups, though I have a slight town read on him.GreyICE:
Cult: You're playing monopoly, when all of a sudden someone grabs the gameboard and throws it across the room. Then plops down a risk board. And then tells you you were playing risk all along. And that you now have 5 armies left, and control two countries in the middle of Africa.-
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By the way, I could stand to go by "holy Oli". Nice ring to it.GreyICE:
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Paraphrased that last one.silverbullet999 wrote:-Oh Holy Oli
There is no should or shouldn't in above.Scum obviously can’t avoid each other during the game; they have to act like they suspect each other.
This wording says that scum hardly ever avoid each other. They normally act like they suspect each other.
I said oh contrare(sp?) monsieur! There are times that they make the mistake of completely avoiding each other and not mentioning each other.
Thus what miracle have you cast to make your above quote turn into
Also would still like clarification here.I said that scum shouldn't completely avoid each other,
It can be obvious if you don't interact at all with your scumbuddy. Someone'll notice. Of course, there are no definites in Mafia (aside from knowing your role/scumbuddy), so "can't" is the wrong word there.
Well, if you go off on each other too much, you may accidentally raise concerns that'll lead to one of you getting lynched.You then state our interaction has been short-lived (which I'm not sure how to interpret... are you saying that we haven't interacted much?).
Enchantments. I don't do curses.silverbullet999 wrote:-Civil
Civil my good sir...
You seem to be in a love/hate relationship here...
Yet before on this very pageHe looks to have back tracked a little...which is interesting to me since I was fairly suspicious of Spadille before he left us.
What curse has the holy Oli cast on you to make such a drastic change?I feel a lot better about Spadille's slot and am liking the sound of Olinea.GreyICE:
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If you are looking for an explicitly yes or no response, my answer is Yes.silverbullet999 wrote:
This is a pull me around answer where I'd interpret it as you answer my question as yes. Am I correct in this interpretation?Well, if you go off on each other too much, you may accidentally raise concerns that'll lead to one of you getting lynched.
However, after a bit of thought, I realize that my only "evidence" for you being scum was the tongue idea, which, in retrospect, is probably the weakest argument in the entire thread. As that has been invalidated, you are now no more scum in my eyes than Civil Scum, Yoenit, Ups, Razgriz, or nevermind. I have a bit of free time now so I will carefully reread for all six of you and perhaps Neil as well so as to get a read without prior bias.
That bumps Vincius up to my #2 spot -- the first still being Neil, for the time being.
Also, if anyone has RVS-style questions they'd like to throw my way in order to shed a bit of light on how I think the game should be played, I'll respond.GreyICE:
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Unvote
I'm gonna need more evidence before I start placing votes. After re-reading, I think Neil has done more than a good enough job to counter the claims I had against him.GreyICE:
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Ups, you gonna post? The thread hasn't seen the album artwork for The Final Frontier in over 3 days.
Vote Count as of Post 287:
Razgriz (2): silverbullet999, neil1113
neil1113 (1): Razgriz
Yoenit (1): Ups
silverbullet999 (1): nevermind
Vinicius Chaim (1): Yoenit
Ups (1): neil1113
nevermind (1): Civil Scum
Civil Scum (0): No one
Olinea (0): No one
Not voting (2): Vinicius Chaim, Olinea
With 9 alive it is 5 to lynch.
Deadline Vote Count:
Razgriz (2): silverbullet999, neil1113
neil1113 (1): Razgriz
silverbullet999 (1): nevermind
Vinicius Chaim (1): Yoenit
Ups (1): neil1113
nevermind (1): Civil Scum
Yoenit (0): No one
Civil Scum (0): No one
Olinea (0): No one
Not voting (2): Vinicius Chaim, Olinea
With 1 not having posted within the last 48 hours, 0 currently being replaced, and 0 who have requested to not have their vote counted for deadline purposes; 8 votes would be counted if deadline was now, and therefore it would take 5 votes to lynch. Deadline: September 30th@8:00 AM EDT/GMT-4 (12:00 PM GMT). A countdown to deadline can be found hereLast edited by bird1111 on Thu Sep 16, 2010 1:06 am, edited 1 time in total.GreyICE:
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Mods, when does Ups's prod go? iirc it's after 72 hours, correct?GreyICE:
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To me, what neil did wasn't that treacherous -- it's not like taking a quote saying "I am scumhunting" and quoting only "I am scum". Oh, but backing up neil after accusing him means I contradicted myself, and are therefore scum, right? We have a lot of middle-grounders as of now (I'm one); the biggest argument here as of now is the Razgriz/neil one, which is ongoing.
Not seeing any major slipups as of yet. I really want Ups to get back in here -- last time I checked his control panel, he hasn't logged in since the 12th (It's the 16th over here); if he keeps this up, he'll become the new Yoenit.
Easy up, it was only a typo.neil1113 wrote:
Didn't even read this post till after I posted, but dually noted:Razgriz wrote:Wow dude. I'm pointing out hypocricy not your paranioa. I said that was one of the attacks on me. But if you want to vote hop Mr. Overreating Hypocrite
Personal Attack #2 from Raz: "Mr. Over(Something) Hypocrite"
I'm not sure if you told me I was fat and that I over-eat, or if you were trying to tell me I'm overreacting?
Either one Raz, is wrong. I'm quite skinny, I don't eat much due to the diet my coach has me on, and overreacting? I'd believe I was fat before I'd believe I was overreacting.GreyICE:
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Excuse me?Yoenit wrote:Well, I am of course the most important person aliveGreyICE:
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I can do humor.Yoenit wrote:
Nah, just a failed attempt at humor, proving once again sarcasm does not work on forums.Razgriz wrote:
Ditto. What is that supposed to mean? Maybe a cop?Olinea wrote:
Excuse me?Yoenit wrote:Well, I am of course the most important person alive
Or is it? <insert diabolical laughter here>
Why'd Simba's dad die?
He couldn't Mufasa.
But seriously, back to scumhunting. Otherwise it'll just turn into an RVS-style discussion.GreyICE:
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Vote: Ups
I'll take this off if he gets replaced.GreyICE:
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In other words, we need Yoenit, Ups, and nevermind?
Has Ups gotten a prod yet? He hasn't been on in almost 5 days, according to his profile, and he never announced a V/LA.
Yes, he has.Last edited by bird1111 on Fri Sep 17, 2010 3:04 am, edited 1 time in total.GreyICE:
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Chaim's still at the top of my list too, but I'm keeping it on Ups until we get some discussion.GreyICE:
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Thenunvote.
I'm mostly looking at Chaim as well. Now that the Raz/neil thing has died down, it seems information is just trickling out.GreyICE:
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Did anyone really suspect Spadille? The general consensus was that he was (is?) pro-town.neil1113 wrote:I also have suspicions on Oli (after rereading some of Spadilles stuff, though that could be Spadille playing, and Oli himself I don't really have much to say to. Which is needless to say, why I'm not even going to try and question Oli any.)GreyICE:
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Ooooh, the cordialness has ended. Business time.silverbullet999 wrote:-Gluttonous Never
Read and post thy thoughtsGreyICE:
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Well, as soon as someone goes under the radar, they become suspect #1. Don't want to be that guy.Civil Scum wrote:
I did, though the memory of that long forgotten day has faded. What a strange question... do you have a confession to make or something?Olinea wrote: Did anyone really suspect Spadille? The general consensus was that he was (is?) pro-townGreyICE:
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By the way, watching my avatar and listening to "We're Not Gonna Take It" is strangely mesmerizing.GreyICE:
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Welcome Catterpillar!
It's a lot to read, unfortunately :/GreyICE:
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It's a 50% chance.neil1113 wrote:I'm pretty sure we have a cop, and so after night 1 I believe everything shall be made more clear (as far as the direction of the town to go.) I just hope the cop is able to hit gold with his target.
It's over 50% ifyouare the Cop or a Roleblocker or a Roleblocker partner.GreyICE:
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I think double/triple posting is okay, isn't it? If it's frowned upon, I'll ease up on it.GreyICE:
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2 out of the 4 scenarios have a Cop.
A Vanilla Townie sees a 50% chance of a Cop.
A Cop sees, well, no good Cop would claim on Day 1 unless it gets the town to take down scum.
However, logical blunder; even if you're a Roleblocker, it still limits the number of possible scenarios to 2: the Goon/RB/Cop/Doc/5 Townies and Goon/RB/7 Townies.
So, I guess the only way to suspect anything but a 50% chance on Day 1 that there's a Cop is to be one yourself.GreyICE:
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Chaim's on my radar, I don't know if his defenses are lacking because of the language barrier or the inexperience. He hasn't done anything recently to make me go as far as to push him to L-1. I can't let the whole "He's new here" thing get in the way of voting, because he has just as good of a chance as anyone else to be scum.Catterpillar wrote:I'll do the other four tomorrow, but I have a question for everyone, who are your top two scum picks at the moment? I realise that most of you will have recorded this information in your posts anyway but things may have changed since you expressed them and what not.
I have no solid #2. Neil does do alotof long (thorough?) posts when he is accused. I wouldn't call it paranoia. He's still on everyone elses' level.
Neil, if you don't know what it is already, I suggest you read about Occam's Razor. Simplest explanation is the best one. Sorry if that sounded like an insult; I only found out about it recently, too.GreyICE:
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Anyone who hammers someone without letting them present their case is pulling a major scum move. You're not out and you're not at L-1. Raz is in your position, too.GreyICE:
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However, if someone told me "Either VC or Raz is scum", I'd be inclined to pick Raz as town.
Go scumhunting. Prove your usefulness to the town; dissect posts and show why someone else is a better lynch candidate than you.GreyICE:
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"Bussing" is where the Mafia votes for the other Mafia member. In a high-level game, if people are claiming and I'm scum partners with XXXX, and XXXX is on the chopping block with little hope to save himself, I could say something like "I'm a Cop, I investigated XXXX and he came up scum", hammer him, and then get some good Town points for myself since I hammered scum and people go "Oh, he's a Cop, and he proved it".GreyICE:
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I think he means the unorthodox friendliness seems like a substitute for material.
Which I partially agree with.GreyICE:
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At the moment, REALLY busy. But not busy enough to put this in :/GreyICE:
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Mind explaining the reasoning behind this?Civil Scum wrote:I think if VC flips town somehow then the scum are likely to be Olinea and Nevermind, possibly Yoenit.GreyICE:
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Chaim, if you're gonna tell us "I get Town vibes from everyone", maybe L-1 will motivate you to dissect and find at least one scum target.
Vote: Vinicius ChaimGreyICE:
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Ah, you set up a case against Raz. Still, if you can get reads for a couple of other people, I'll take this off.GreyICE:
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silverbullet999 wrote:Hey.... where did everyone go...silverbullet999 wrote:[off topic]
-No Nevermind
No... you... no I don't love you now...nelly furtado debut album!!!
Yeah I'm a big fan too
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PqH2jc_gAdM (17th second)
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[joke] What!? I thought we were friends! *cries* [/joke]Silver (for being too buddy/friendly)
I'm assuming you mean with my interaction between me and neil?silverbullet999 wrote:Ugh quite a bit
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Hello! Use harden repeatedly and maybe you'll become a butterfly.
Also Read up while you harden.
And keep posting those reads.
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Yeah... the IC's job is what civil said...
Responsibilities do not include leading the pack
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Slightly confused from this commentIt's a 50% chance.
It's over 50% if you are the Cop or a Roleblocker or a Roleblocker partner.
50% chance of what?
Over 50% chance of what also?silverbullet999 wrote:-Gluttonous Never
Read and post thy thoughtssilverbullet999 wrote:
Patience and you will see my child.as a follow-up question, it should be related in a way to the original question, which was about bandwagoning.
how could a follow-up question not be related to bandwagoning then?silverbullet999 wrote:
Dearest nevermind... so unique and .... specialif bandwagoning was clearly defined, you wouldn't be asking "did you think i was bandwagoning you"
it'd be kinda equivalent to asking "did you think i was voting you"
Just wanted to note that this is a HORRIBLE comparison.
You are voting me, there is no question to it
It is forever fact
an opinion of one's actions is a different story
It is similar to asking.. do you find me scummy?
or what do you think of him for doing this?
An opinion good sir... an opinion indeed
This is what I meant when I said the friendliness is kind of a cover-up for actually putting stuff on the table.GreyICE:
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His only recent defense of himself is posting reasons to lynch Raz over him. There are two mafia, and so he should have more than one suspect. If he can only pull evidence against one person, it makes him a good lynch candidate.
If you're referring to what "this" is, I voted for him; he's at L-1.
Vote Count as of Post 442:
Razgriz (4): silverbullet999, Vincius Chaim, neil1113, Civil Scum
Vinicius Chaim (2): Razgriz, Olinea
Yoenit (1): Catterpillar
Civil Scum (1): Yoenit
Olinea (0): No one
nevermind (0): No one
silverbullet999 (0): No one
neil1113 (0): No one
Catterpillar (0): No one
Not voting (1): nevermind
With 9 alive it is 5 to lynch.
Deadline Vote Count:
Razgriz (4): silverbullet999, Vincius Chaim, neil1113, Civil Scum
Vinicius Chaim (2): Razgriz, Olinea
Civil Scum (1): Yoenit
Yoenit (0): No one
Olinea (0): No one
nevermind (0): No one
silverbullet999 (0): No one
neil1113 (0): No one
Catterpillar (0): No one
Not voting (1): nevermind
With 1 not having posted within the last 48 hours, 0 currently being replaced, and 0 who have requested to not have their vote counted for deadline purposes; 8 votes would be counted if deadline was now, and therefore it would take 5 votes to lynch. Deadline: September 30th@8:00 AM EDT/GMT-4 (12:00 PM GMT). A countdown to deadline can be found hereLast edited by bird1111 on Tue Sep 21, 2010 4:06 am, edited 1 time in total.GreyICE:
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I'm a newbie Townie, and I'm still dissecting.
It convinces me that he can be useful to the town. As it is, people suspect him as scum; if he flips town, it's not like we lost a well of information. He's gotta convince me that that second part is untrue.GreyICE:
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I've suspected him as scum for a while. Reread my posts. I finally acted on it because I'm slightly concerned about the deadline, even though I know that's irrational because it's 10 days away, and because I, and likely a good number of us, would like to know who he's pointing fingers at and why.GreyICE:
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I've got conditions to take it off. The ball's in his court.Civil Scum wrote:You've "said" that you "do." Sounds like this deadline reason is something you just invented in order to pre-empt pressure for the vote you foresee in the future.
Just before you said this, you said VC being able to do that would convince you that he would be useful to the town, not that you wouldn't think he was scum. You see how those things are different?
I see how they're different, yeah. But if I was 100% sure that he was scum I'd have put this up a long time ago.GreyICE:
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Well, that was abrupt.Civil Scum wrote:unvote
vote: RazGreyICE:
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The vote was placed because he analyzed only one person. As I keep saying, ferreting out one scum is helpful, but doesn't end the game. There are two of 'em out there, and if he can only get evidence against one, it shows he's holding back. There are still seven more people he could dissect. A "Top 1" list, in my book, isn't very useful because you're essentially saying "If we get one scum, we win". If he gets reads on others, I'll be inclined to believe that he can be of usefulness to the town. Hell, even if they're against me, it shows he's thinking.
Civil, let me add another question to your workload. Suppose Raz gets hammered and flips town, and then scum decide, for some reason, to kill me at night. Who're your next two targets? I don't mean to phrase it like "Who are your #3 and #4, then?", because that's not what I'm trying to find out, but I'd like to see the response.GreyICE:
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Really?Vinicius Chaim wrote:and you're falling in your own accusation, I didn't see you point your finger to anyone but me...(correct me if I'm wrong)
If this is out of context, tell me.Vinicius Chaim wrote:and now Oli, accusing everybody like a blind-shooter in the middle of the dark...
As for the whole "can't pull two lynches in one day", it's not about trying to get two in one day. It's just that you can't stop playing even if we do lynch one. That's why people do breakdowns. That's why Civil Scum has voted Raz and FoS'ed me. Tunnelling (Trying to exclusively target one person for a long period of time) isn't necessary, but staying with the group and responding to what's happening is important.GreyICE:
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And also, I'd think having a few enemies would INCREASE your chances of staying alive Night 1. Having enemies makes you look scummy, and scum need red herrings.GreyICE:
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I'm still gonna wait on his reasons for calling me scum for putting VC at L-1 and then immediately taking his vote off of VC and putting Raz at L-1 without ANY explanation.
Scummy when I put VC at L-1. Not scummy to put Raz at L-1.GreyICE:
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Civil Scum wrote:Why wouldn't Olinea ask VC to do what he wanted before placing him at L-1? Ever wonder?
Yeah, I probably shoulda told him that scumhunting and picking people apart would get him townie points.Olinea wrote:Go scumhunting. Prove your usefulness to the town; dissect posts and show why someone else is a better lynch candidate than you.
Oh, wait.
The only time someone isn't responsible for votes placed on them is RVS.Civil Scum wrote:
Handing over responsibility for your vote to the person you're voting...Olinea wrote: I've got conditions to take it off. The ball's in his court.
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Misleading. When did I (or anyone for the matter) say you have to be 100% sure about anything?[/quote]Olinea wrote: I see how they're different, yeah. But if I was 100% sure that he was scum I'd have put this up a long time ago.
Misleading? I answered your question straight-up. No amount of secondhand evidence can fully convince me that someone is scum or town, even if they claim to be scum, claim someone else is their partner, and then predict the next two nightkills. My 100% statement was because VC had the potential to get me off of his back for a while and dispel a few scummy reads I'm getting from him, and because I can't be sure that he is avoiding dissecting someone else because he's having newbie difficulties or because he thinks it'll incriminate him.Civil Scum wrote:Just before you said this, you said VC being able to do that would convince you that he would be useful to the town, not that you wouldn't think he was scum. You see how those things are different?
VC isn't in terrible danger right now. I'd like to see a post from him, but I understand IRL obligations may impede that.GreyICE:
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Nah, he's got the right game. Check the first post.GreyICE:
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I don't know how you visualize it, Civil, but I try and read people on a scale from "Not scum" to "Why haven't we lynched him already?". If you act like a townie by scumhunting and defending yourself instead of rolling over and saying "I'm gonna get lynched, town is -1", I am inclined to believe to that you are townie. You appear to be dealing with extremes and definites, either "town" or "scum", no middle ground. Yes, in this game, there is no "semi-town" or "semi-scum". But I am playing while keeping in mind the fact that there are no "definitely town" or "definitely scum" unless you're a Cop, and it's day 1.Civil Scum wrote:
Giving someone townie points, and deciding that someone isn't scum, ain't the same thing. Not even close!Olinea wrote: Yeah, I probably shoulda told him that scumhunting and picking people apart would get him townie points.
He's been contradicting himself very consistently.Civil Scum wrote:What were the scum points VC got, in your book, over the scum points that say, Raz, got? Why'd you chose VC and not Raz? Especially if you only think VC is scummy to the degree that he could get quickly get town points and get your vote off of him? Why didn't you even that request from him before you voted, and then given him time? Instead of putting him in an immediate lynch situation. You don't want to, or don't have to, or don't care to, hear what he has to say do you? Why not?
Olinea wrote:Vinicius Chaim wrote:and you're falling in your own accusation, I didn't see you point your finger to anyone but me...(correct me if I'm wrong)Vinicius Chaim wrote:and now Oli, accusing everybody like a blind-shooter in the middle of the dark...
There was also the thing with "What is bandwagon?" "Bandwagon is really scummy", but that was taken care of.Olinea wrote:Ups wrote:3. What do you do about people that bandwagon? -Look at their motives for joining, and question them. If they're town expect them to work off of evidence, if they're scum expect them to try to mislead.Vinicius Chaim wrote:
bandwagon is really scummy, and I knewI'd be accused of it when I voted, but, at least until now, I don't regret my vote, you still are my top suspect so farYoenit wrote:Sorry to see you go Spadille. Best of luck surviving in the wilderness.
VOTE: unvote Spadille, Vote Vinicius Chaim
Just a placeholder for now, as my vote on Spadille was random and it would be rude to have a replacement enter the game with such a vote on him. Picked VC because he voted on me (screw you argument), was the third voter (scumtell ahoy!) and doesn't seem to have posted much yet.
I said "yeah". That means "yes". Your question demanded a yes/no answer.Civil Scum wrote:And actually, yeah you did give a misleading answer. You defended yourself against a point of mine on the basis that I was acuusing you of not being a 100% sure about something. Which was not implied in my post at all.
And I'd think if Raz flips scum I'd be the one in hot water, since I'm openly saying VC is scummier than Raz to me. If VC got lynched and flipped scum, you'd be in trouble, Civil.
Anyways, I'm done discussing that vote until Vinicius comes back and either posts a scumread of someone other than Raz or he dodges it and says something that doesn't pertain to the request.GreyICE:
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1) Then the vote stays until you do. I completely understand IRL obligations, I'm swamped for midterms as it is and I have no idea why I'm on right now. Addicting game, I guess :/Vinicius Chaim wrote:well Oli, I have two points for you about your frequent ask for my scumhunting, while you're doing nothing about it...
1) I always have a busy week, I only have time to long reads and big posts in the weekend(when I did raz analysis)
2) I had only accused raz till now cause he's the only "very" scum read by now( I have another two slight town read, maybe they get an analysis in this weekend[or not =P]) and I'm not experienced enough to read every "between lines" tells...
2) You're talking to someone without any experience, either. Only way to get better at tells is to put 'em out on the table. My tongue thing was probably the worst idea to grace this thread, but it refined what was a good point for me.
I believe everyone is a little bit scummy, as I have no way of knowing who is and who isn't.Civil Scum wrote:
Yet...you believed he was a scum before you offered him the chance to do this.Olinea wrote: If you act like a townie by scumhunting and defending yourself instead of rolling over and saying "I'm gonna get lynched, town is -1", I am inclined to believe to that you are townie.GreyICE:
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You are, once again, dealing with extremes, and assuming I put everyone on the exact same ground and don't suspect anyone above anyone else. That is a ridiculous way to play.Civil Scum wrote:
Seriously then, why did you only toss out a couple things about everyone, and then choose to vote one of the town's two top suspects, instead of anyone else? Was that just coincidence?Olinea wrote: I believe everyone is a little bit scummy, as I have no way of knowing who is and who isn't.
Oh right...you were "worried about the deadline... which is ten days away" XD
Oh, and while we're at it, mind explaining this little gem I just caught?
Carefully read the last sentence of that.Civil Scum wrote:Alsright, here's an explanation for you, and for everyone. Raz has been my number 1 suspect on and off. He has the most evidence against him. The other people voting him are some of my stronger town reads.Civil Scum wrote:My next 3 suspects would have to be Olinea, Silver (for being too buddy/friendly), and Neil.
Ladies and gentlemen, Civil appears to be claiming that he gets town reads from those who are voting Razgriz, such as silverbullet and neil. Now, if we take a look at his top suspects... oh! What is this?bird1111 wrote:Vote Count:
Razgriz (3): silverbullet999, Vincius Chaim, neil1113
GreyICE:
Cult: You're playing monopoly, when all of a sudden someone grabs the gameboard and throws it across the room. Then plops down a risk board. And then tells you you were playing risk all along. And that you now have 5 armies left, and control two countries in the middle of Africa.-
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Olinea Mafia Scum
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You do realize how hypocritical that statement was, right?Civil Scum wrote:vote: Olinea
Using an attack, as if it was an actual defense. Oldest trick in the book brah...
You read my post, right? The one about how you see neil and silverbullet as both top suspects and how you're getting town reads from them? And now you think you can adequately defend youself by placing a vote on me, the ultimate attack in the entire freakin' game of Mafia. You have contradicted yourself once again and I have no doubt you will shrug this post off without a comment, just as you have done with others.
You want me to take my vote off of Chaim? You think there are better targets out there? That I shouldn't be throwing my vote around without evidence? Fine.
Unvote
Vote: Civil Scum
Go ahead. Call it the biggest freakin' OMGUS you've ever seen. But you've been targetting me nonstop ever since I put Chaim at L-1, you attacked me for it, then put Raz at L-1 and claimed it was because he'd been your top suspect on and off. You know what that translates to? "Sometimes I think he is scum, sometims I think he is town". And wordy nothingness is a trick that only works on people who can't read in between the lines.GreyICE:
Cult: You're playing monopoly, when all of a sudden someone grabs the gameboard and throws it across the room. Then plops down a risk board. And then tells you you were playing risk all along. And that you now have 5 armies left, and control two countries in the middle of Africa.-
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Olinea Mafia Scum
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Well, who could've predicted Civil would toss out that argument that isn't even a page old? Or is that too "old" to be brought up anymore? Is it a good defense to bury any atacks on you so they are so far back that they can't possibly be true, even if they're less than a day old?Civil Scum wrote:
That's somehow an unreasonable way for a townie to feel about another player?Olinea wrote: [you] put Raz at L-1 and claimed it was because he'd been your top suspect on and off. You know what that translates to? "Sometimes I think he is scum, sometims I think he is town".
You're such scum.
Apparently I'm not the only one with that problem.Civil Scum wrote:If Olinea wants to claim that older posts like that contradict present posts, well, that's his own problem.Civil Scum wrote:I'd like to know how Yoenit feels about Olinea piggy-backing and following his vote. Especially after Olinea basically said in Post 447, that he was going to wait for a while and then vote for me.
Changing your mind is not scummy. Changing your mind and then backing it up with only “The oldest trick in the book” (Oh, sorry, that post is far too old to be used, we’re dealing withCivil Scum wrote:
As for Olinea's, I'd rather wait on that until someone can explain how 'changing your mind' is scummy.Neil wrote: I've payed enough attention to know that you still have yet to give a defense to the accusations thrown your way. All you've done is "vote" which isn't a defense even in the least bit. If I'm wrong, show me?currentposts, y’know? Ones which have only been posted in the past 5 minutes) by your side is scummy.
Last time I did that, you complained about… what was it again?Civil Scum wrote:Oh Olinea, jeez I almost forgot.
You didn't give me my homework. What's my thing that I have to do to provide you with the satisfation necessary to get your vote off me?
Or did you place VC at L-1 thinking he was way less scummier than me?
What's my thing that I have to do?
Oh, yeah.Civil Scum wrote:Handing over responsibility for your vote to the person you're voting...GreyICE:
Cult: You're playing monopoly, when all of a sudden someone grabs the gameboard and throws it across the room. Then plops down a risk board. And then tells you you were playing risk all along. And that you now have 5 armies left, and control two countries in the middle of Africa.-
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Olinea Mafia Scum
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Silly me.Civil Scum wrote:You didn't give me my thing.
Your homework is to nonchalantly ignore all evidence against you.GreyICE:
Cult: You're playing monopoly, when all of a sudden someone grabs the gameboard and throws it across the room. Then plops down a risk board. And then tells you you were playing risk all along. And that you now have 5 armies left, and control two countries in the middle of Africa.-
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Olinea Mafia Scum
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Two seperate points of the game? You make me laugh. The contradictary quotes involving Neil and Silverbullet were at 404 and 453. Since then, let's put all of their posts in that duration on the table.Civil Scum wrote:Fine, here's your evidence: "You didn't think the same about people at two seperate points of the game. You're a liar! You're a liar!" (Nice argument btw)
Neil
He admits himself there is no content to this post. It should not have convinced you he is town.neil1113 wrote:Way to go Silver, you want to be nice and I try to be nice and now I'm scum. *enter state of depression here.*
(Before anyone corrects this post, this was not a real post. Actually I'm looking over some things right now...)
He has his eye on Chaim. You apparently don't have close enough of an eye on Chaim, as you removed the vote rather hastily when he was at L-1.neil1113 wrote:I just really have nothing to say now... :/ I have enough suspicions right now warranting my eye to be set upon Chaim, but not enough to change my vote from somebody I do believe is scum...
He questions your vote switch.neil1113 wrote:Oli, with 10 days to deadline do you really believe putting him at L-1 is a smart thing to do? (Granted, Civil removed his vote thus removing the L-1 status off of Chaim and now putting it onto Raz which brings me to my second thing...)
Civil, why exactly did you change your vote so sudden, I know you've suspected Raz this whole game so I'm not suspicious of this move so much as I am curious as to know what "nailed the coffin" so to speak?
Well, here we go. Civil finally sees Neil as town because Neil both disagrees with my Chaim vote and with Yoenit's vote against you. Enemy of my enemy is my friend. Note to self: if you want Civil to think you're town, vote with him and attack those who vote for him.neil1113 wrote:Oli,
I understand that, but what if someone new(er) comes on and nails the hammering vote on Chaim, only for Chaim to come up town? What would you do in that position?
Hmm, interesting vote choice Yoenit. Also, I'm very aware that there are 4 votes on Raz and Raz is at L-1. I'm comfortable with that, because out of everybody right now Raz would be my highest suspicion rated person. Evidentially, 3 others believe that too. Though I will admit, unless you have pretty damning evidence against him, I'm going to be looking at you for trying to change suspicions off of two VERY likely scum suspects... >_>
Wait, I voted Chaim when you had your vote on him, and I got pounded for it.
Silverbullet, thankfully, had less posts, and much, much less content.
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Zero content.silverbullet999 wrote:[off topic]
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No... you... no I don't love you now...nelly furtado debut album!!!
Yeah I'm a big fan too
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PqH2jc_gAdM (17th second)
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[joke] What!? I thought we were friends! *cries* [/joke]Silver (for being too buddy/friendly)
I'm assuming you mean with my interaction between me and neil?
Apparently this is all it takes for Civil to get a town vibe from someone.silverbullet999 wrote:Hey.... where did everyone go...
Can we get the votecount prior to when I voted for Chaim? Don't worry, I found it for you.Civil Scum wrote:
No, I just didn't see why it was VC that you should neccesarily find scummier than anyone else. And then I realized it was because he already had 3 votes.Olinea wrote: You are, once again, dealing with extremes, and assuming I put everyone on the exact same ground and don't suspect anyone above anyone else. That is a ridiculous way to play.
Yeah, I was definitely bandwagoning on the person with the top number of votes.bird1111 wrote:Vote Count:
Razgriz (3): silverbullet999, Vincius Chaim, neil1113
Vinicius Chaim (3): Yoenit, Civil Scum, Razgriz
Does the whole "I'm a newbie townie" only work for Vinicius, or can I pull that one, too? You hid behind this argument to try and justify putting him at L-1. Could I have hammered Raz, said "He is a suspect of mine", and be okay?Civil Scum wrote:
See brah, I already provided my defense of this, as it turns out, it was also an attack because that followed so simply from your post. So, once again, "sometimes thinking someone is scum and other times thinking they are town" or going back-and-forth on someone, is a PERFECTLY NORMAL WAY FOR A TOWNIE TO FEEL ABOUT SOMEONE.Olinea wrote: But you've been targetting me nonstop ever since I put Chaim at L-1, you attacked me for it, then put Raz at L-1 and claimed it was because he'd been your top suspect on and off. You know what that translates to? "Sometimes I think he is scum, sometims I think he is town". And wordy nothingness is a trick that only works on people who can't read in between the lines.
When I read the game to get caught up, I was inexperienced in scumtelling, as evidenced by the tongue argument. I dare say I'm getting better at it.Civil Scum wrote:I mean, when you read the game and caught up, you never read things from a player that made you think they were scummy, and then further down the road read something that made you question that, and think they might be town?
Scum deal with lies and trickery. There is a fine line between a slipup and consistently contradicting yourself.Civil Scum wrote:Oh, but I'm lying about it. You read between the lines and see that I'm lying... "You're a liar!" That's not an argument. Yoenit's argument is, "You're a scammer. You're running this little scam, plan thing of yours".
"Opportunistic" meaning placing my vote on one of the top suspects so I could get some discussion out of him? Could it not also be considered "opportunistic" to wait until someone puts Chaim at L-1, argue about it and draw the attention to him, and then L-1 Raz with a FoS to make it seem like you're still continuing the argument?Civil Scum wrote:-Olinea has less savory motives; I can tell he is being opportunistic and his suspicions and voting are contrived. Hence I replied, "I'm not lying, you're lying!"GreyICE:
Cult: You're playing monopoly, when all of a sudden someone grabs the gameboard and throws it across the room. Then plops down a risk board. And then tells you you were playing risk all along. And that you now have 5 armies left, and control two countries in the middle of Africa.-
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Olinea Mafia Scum
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I realize the enormous risk in building this crusade against you if you flip town. But I'll only stop scumhunting when I'm dead.Civil Scum wrote:You're already done Olinea. Already done.GreyICE:
Cult: You're playing monopoly, when all of a sudden someone grabs the gameboard and throws it across the room. Then plops down a risk board. And then tells you you were playing risk all along. And that you now have 5 armies left, and control two countries in the middle of Africa.-
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Olinea Mafia Scum
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And not your kind of "dead". I mean lynched or nightkilled. And my job is to make scum the former.GreyICE:
Cult: You're playing monopoly, when all of a sudden someone grabs the gameboard and throws it across the room. Then plops down a risk board. And then tells you you were playing risk all along. And that you now have 5 armies left, and control two countries in the middle of Africa.