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Do we have fun and games?bv310 wrote:BV310 presents:
Newbie 1038: Welcome to the Jungle!
VOTE: Lunaticlucas
Random voting, woooo!
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Yes, I'm not sure who is scum though.LlamaFluff wrote:
We got everything you want.KingTwelveSixteen wrote:Do we have fun and games?
VOTE: Lunaticlucas
Random voting, woooo!
(I don't want to get the ACTUAL lynch this early so I am avoiding the people others are voting for.)
Have you read the game yet?
If you want my opinions then the quad-post was really scummy, but two of those posts are just vla and talking to the mod about something so I don't think it should really count. Being a snarky jerk isn't exactly giving him any good-guy points though. BrentM seems mildly scummy as well, but thats probably just his inexperience. I didn't really get anything other than that.ShowWin-Loss Ratio
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I didn't 'cause its day one and those scum tells are ludicrously unreliable right now and based on things that are kinda petty, I figure I'd rather vote for the AFKish (sorta) guy first.LlamaFluff wrote:Why not vote one of the two that you are saying is scummy? There is nothing wrong with changing your vote. Its not unusual to change a vote five, ten or more times a day (depending on length of day and players in game).
Why is quad-posting scummy? Are you saying being snarky is a scum tell or a null tell?
The quad-post just felt scummy to me, like he was panicking and not thinking, but then I looked over it a second time and two of the posts were useless for scum/town tells and the others weren't particarly scummy. And being snarky is a null tell even if it is kinda mean.ShowWin-Loss Ratio
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Technically my vote did draw out some talking and possible tells: You are talking about it right now.LlamaFluff wrote:
Well, why are you not doing anything to draw out some scum tells or town tells to help you get a read instead of voting someone that has not posted yet.KingTwelveSixteen wrote:I didn't 'cause its day one and those scum tells are ludicrously unreliable right now and based on things that are kinda petty, I figure I'd rather vote for the AFKish (sorta) guy first.
But yeah, you're actually right, I should be voting for someone else. I just didn't 'cause I was worried about lynching someone accidently since there are only 9 of us and very few votes are required to lynch. All the other games I've played have been like 22 people or little 10 person games where if you're town you want to off as many other town as possible before you win. (Makes for pretty quick games...)
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...I just left this window open for like 15 minutes while doing other things instead of deciding who to vote for.
Whatever,VOTE: MirrorIrorriM, I need to post this.ShowWin-Loss Ratio
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Random vote 'cause I want my vote to actually matter as opposed to just sitting there on somebody who isn't playing right now. Even if a random vote doesn't actually matter for much...BrentM wrote:
I'd be curious to know as well, why the vote for Mirror?MirrorIrorriM wrote:Sorry for double posting! I just forgot to address this.
@King: Why? Am I lurking or something? Or is that a random vote?KingTwelveSixteen wrote:VOTE: MirrorIrorriM, I need to post this.ShowWin-Loss Ratio
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Yes.^MirrorIrorriM wrote:lunaticlucas wrote:BrentM: Seems like the biggest douchebag EVER!!! and a little scummy with a hint of noob.
Just remember that when you point fingers at someone, there are 3 pointing back.lunaticlucas wrote:@Brent: ...I don't try to pick on people on the lower level side of intelligence. It's like starting a battle of wits with an unarmed man, but I just couldn't resist.
The best way to anger people is to come in here, only having one or two posts, and then claim someone else is a douchebag and unintelligent. It's scummy and a huge jerk move.
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This post brought to you bySAVE DRAFT, for all your paranoid post saving needs.BrentM wrote:- King hopped on the lunatic bandwagon pretty quickly
My top suspects are either pine and lunatic as scum buds or possibly DP and King.
Uh, actually I was going tocreatethe bandwagon on him, but I decided that would probably seem really scummy and didn't do it. Looking back that was a mistake. Also a mistake was me not explaining why I was voting for him, so now I am: (explaining, not voting, though I'm doing that to.)
Seems as if he is justifying lurking...with veiled insults that we do not, in fact, have lives. It also seems as if he is merely justifying NOT POSTING, instead of say, not reading, not paying attention, or being unable to post for some reason. Purposefully lurking = scummy.lunaticlucas wrote:/confirm
well sorry I haven't been posting very much, you see I have a life.
Eh, nothing to say about this.lunaticlucas wrote:So here is what I'm seeing it as:
Mirror: Seems kinda nooby but hey so am I.
Two pointless insults, one of which is just in reaction to me voting for him due to his lurking, the other of which I don't get at all. (What did BrentM do???) He also simultaneously says BrentM scum and that he's just a noob. All of these seem scummy to me.lunaticlucas wrote:
King: voted for me so I'm a little biased. P.S. he's a dick
BrentM: Seems like the biggest douchebag EVER!!! and a little scummy with a hint of noob.
He gave no reason for thinking this or believing it, and I don't really get what he's talking about at all either.lunaticlucas wrote:David: Seems like a town who is getting tunneled.
He gives no reason for this accusation (I feel like a hypocrite for posting that. <_<), says "I don't know" three times, then says this arrogant sounding thing about him winning. Perhaps he is convinced he will win due to being scum?lunaticlucas wrote:Wolf: maybe scum.
Llama: haven't really made up my mind about.
tanstalas: IDK.
VOT Productions: IDK too.
Lunaticlucas: I think he's gonna win. P.S. I heard eh doesn't afraid of anything.
Oh, and here is something I just found whilst I was messing around with the forum things, the other game he has been in on this site, wherin he is a lurking townie. Since I don't know how to do the fancy "link with regular text" thing yet, I'm just gonna copy/past the web addresses.
http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 1#p2398421, Note the politeness, the politeness not shown in this game.
http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 6#p2402556,Especiallynote this one. Here he says that he understands why people would vote for him since he seems to be lurking, that he would do the same thing and is perfectly fine with it. No insults are used. Note that he insulted me for doing the exact same thing.
It's meta-ie and all but I thought I'd throw that out there as it has made me more convinced that he is, in fact, scum.
p.s. How do you multi-quote? I've seen it done in some of the other games on this site but I had to use the "save draft" feature.
p.p.s. This post would be better if my internet didn't spontaneously decide to dump it when I hit preview, thus forcing me to re-write the whole thing. Copius amounts of copy/pasting and paranoid draft saving ensued.ShowWin-Loss Ratio
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Ok, just gotta say my internet decided to completly explode pretty much. I'm typing this in from my college. Imightnot be able to post very much for a little bit because of this. Of course I could also head back home and have the internet miraculously working again, but I think it's gonna be out for at least the rest of the day, possibly tommorow as well.
Just wanted to say that I am not lurking, I am in fact incapable of easy internet access at this time.
My experience with competetive video games says that this is completly true, if you can't find some experienced players to play with your play won't improve by very much, if at all.Try to play with more experienced players - the best way I find to learn is to play with the people who are good.ShowWin-Loss Ratio
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I feel like being all "experienced player" about this, even though I'm not actually that experienced.MirrorIrorriM wrote:PS I really didn't think of looking at people's past games to build evidence against them. It's genius.META
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Shorthand term for "Metagame". From Pen and Paper RPGs, "metagaming" is something that players do with their characters based on player knowledge, not character knowledge. For instance, you have your character search the far wall of a room endlessly because you "know that the GM ALWAYS puts secret doors in these rooms", even if it's not anything the character in the story would have knowledge of nor have reason to search for.
With respect to the game of Mafia, a player's Meta is the way in which he/she plays the game as each faction. A player with a Town role will play differently than a player with a Mafia role because of the nature of each faction and their method of operation within the game. This difference allows one to review past games that a person in question has played in, with the intention being that you will compare their play in Game X (where they were Mafia/Town) to their play now in order to determine what role they have in the current game. The players that excel at Mafia are able to make their Mafia play mirror their Town play almost identically, therefore neutralizing the ability of others to read their "Meta".StolenCopied directly from the wiki! Note the last part, most players go out of their way not to be obvious about which team they're on. Or at least seem like they arn't mafia...You know what I mean.ShowWin-Loss Ratio
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Personally I say we lynch lunatic first since he is lurking like crazy; Pine is actually talking so we can continue to accuse him of stuff tommorow but lunatic isn't saying anything and we will likely gain little-to-nothing Day 2 from him. Basically lynch lunatic 'cause he doesn't seem like he'll get us any new information at all, whilst Pine talks a bunch and we learn stuff from his talking.
David'sand MirrorIrorriM's regular post(s) are making me seriously consider lynching Pine though.ninja-post
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Special note: I got ninja'd like a bajillion times while writing this.
Wait, when were you directly addressing me? I don't remember that. Is there another king in this game and I'm just being stupid and not noticing?Pinewolf wrote:@mirror
I said you read into my fun post too deep. It wasn't really a relevant game post, just wanted to tellhow i make my posts. Thought i'd throw in something funny or sth. I thought it would be very obvious that it's not meant to be taken too seriously because of the smiley. I rarely use smilies. And if i do, take the post with a grain of salt.king
Awfully convenient? Again, it's something that can be taken either way. In no way do I mean to abuse this and claim i meant a post to be fun when it was not. With as much reading into my posts as you guys do, i thought that would be obvious already...
Preview edit: I shall make another post concerning DP...Pinewolf wrote:Hollow accusations i don't think so. It's not about putting somebody at L-1 or L-2. His posts make it seem like he wants to lynch me. Which is inconsistent with what he's saying in the exact same post. It seems like he's hiding behind a case against me but adding subtle hints into his posts. I wrote something similar in that post, yet you decided to ignore it...Davidparker wrote:So, who's your scum buddy?
These quotes by David feel scummy to me, I think Pine might have a point here. Also I feel super paranoid that one of the two no-votes is gonna come outta the blue and hammer Pine.Davidparker wrote:Claim = State your role. (ie: In your case you would say, "I am a mafia goon" or "I am a mafia roleblocker", depending on which one you are
Wait, your not? what?Pinewolf wrote:lolwut? I'm not at L-1? huh...
@MirrorIrorriM: Why do you think me and Pine are scumbuddies? Also, when did he "manipulate the truth"? Preview edit: Urgh, everybodys posting to quick for me to finish my post! He be all accusing LlamaFluff now, please explain this reasoning as well. As long as we're making claims for mafia partners, how about MirrorIrorriM and DavidParker, he did after all list you as "Obvious town", you seem to take your cues from him a bit and his recent "you ARE mafia, period." type of posting on Pine makes him seem scummy. Also he just ninja'd me with a post seemingly defending you for your whole "not notice joke" thing (which I won't comment on.), but if Pine flips town I could see this as defending you, his scumbuddy, from suspicion.
Disregard this, the internet at my home is fine.KingTwelveSixteen wrote:Ok, just gotta say my internet decided to completly explode pretty much. I'm typing this in from my college. Imightnot be able to post very much for a little bit because of this. Of course I could also head back home and have the internet miraculously working again, but I think it's gonna be out for at least the rest of the day, possibly tommorow as well.
Just wanted to say that I am not lurking, I am in fact incapable of easy internet access at this time.
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Wait, no I didn't. Did I? Ugh, if I made a mistake please point it out.
Ok, I'll try to find a good avatar.bv310 wrote:Also, in the interests of pure readability for the players in this game, as well as my own sanity when doing vote counts, I'd like to request KingTwelveSixteen and VOT Productions get avatars.
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<==Bam! Avatar-o-rama.
Wait, was that the post people were talking about "being jokey is bad" and using that as a scum tell? 'Cause if it is I think accusing that of being a scumtell is a scumtell.Pinewolf wrote:@king Yes, i have. Here it is.
Pinewolf wrote:I'm starting to think the same way, mirror.
@king When i quote i just open the quote button of the post in another tab then copy-paste the stuff i want in my post. And i keep that one in a separate tab as well. Also, i recomend notepad to save long posts. I simply use that.
Unless the top part about mirror is somehow horribly scummy in some way that isn't obvious. I think I'm gonna re-read this thread.ShowWin-Loss Ratio
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Time for another gigantic post. wheeeeee!
Actually he's got one of those cool visors that only cover the eyes, like Cyclops or that guy in Star Trek.MirrorIrorriM wrote:
It's a bi-pedal mech with a guy wearing a motorcycle helmet driving it.Pinewolf wrote:@king
Yes. It is indeed that post...
PS. What is in that picture? I can't figure it out. :S
Things I noticed whilst re-reading the thread.
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!bv310 wrote:The game will follow one of the following rolesets:
A) 1 Mafia Goon, 1 Mafia Roleblocker,1 Town Cop, 1 Town Doc, 5 Vanilla Townies
B) 1 Mafia Goon, 1 Mafia Roleblocker, 7 Townies
C) 2 Mafia Goons,1 Sane Cop, 6 Townies
D) 2 Mafia Goons, 1 Doctor, 6 Townies
In setups where there is a Roleblocker, he will still be alllowed to kill if the Goon dies first. For further information, please check this link: http://mafiascum.net/wiki/index.php?title=F11
Why do you make this distinction? Do you secretly hate town!?
(Thats a joke, don't modkill me please.)
I just realised I have no idea what Mirror is talking about here.MirrorIrorriM wrote:stuff I deleted goes here.
Who in particular?KingTwelveSixteen wrote:I figure I'd rather vote for the AFKish (sorta) guy first.
Also I sounded really suspicious earlier in the game! I need to work on my mafia skills.
Hey, Mirror said the thing about tunneling DP as well. (lunatic also said this.) Am I just misunderstanding this term? 'Cause pretty much nobody was focusing on him exclusively to that level, at least as far as I can tell.MirrorIrorriM wrote:Blah blah blah.
So far I think DP is just a jerk and doesn't mark me as being scum.
Tanstalas marks me as slightly scummy fortunneling DPright off the bat, seems a little too sure of his accusations.
yadda yadda yadda.
As of about post 77# my suspicions for lunatic being scum have risen again after re-reading his posts. I notice that he lurks like crazy then pops up on page 7 or so, I'll talk about that post when I get to it.
I just realised that KTS isLlamaFluff wrote:Ect.
KTS and Lunatic are kinda scummy, but im watching them closer for connections then anything else.
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Either way my bigger problem with Pine is that he seems to be testing the waters and leaving small marks on different wagons which would allow him to go back and forth between them as needed. In his most recent post there are five players that essentially have a "no read" attached to them, a flaker and a conflicted read on KTS.
Omitted for space.me. Dang.
What does tbh mean?Pinewolf wrote:IRRELEVENT
tbh. :/
......Pinewolf wrote:Just assume this stuff is gone, seriously.
sth.
I mean really.
Wait, you really didn't think thatMirrorIrorriM wrote:...OK I really had no idea that scum have a higher chance of surviving.You must remember that I am totally new to this, I have only read till page 4 in one other, non completed, mafia thread (game 1033 to be exact) and gotten some knowledge from that; otherwise I would be totally lost. Although I really can't denounce that accusation with some fact, my only defense on that one is that I am new.
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Sorry, I really haven't been reading posts thoroughly enough (see post #99). (smiley ommited)
...mafia, being the people who kill other people, would have less to worry about dying from??? The second thing is also a bit scummy, not very though.
I'm totally using a variant of this, my "notepad" is the actual post. I'm gonna copy/paste the whole thing to form the ACTUAL post though, since I am highly suspicious of it deciding to dump my post.Pinewolf wrote:...
@king When i quote i just open the quote button of the post in another tab then copy-paste the stuff i want in my post. And i keep that one in a separate tab as well. Also, i recomend notepad to save long posts. I simply use that.
I'm just putting this in because before this point Pine didn't strikeDavidParker wrote:I prefer the pine wagon the the Luna wagon.
Vote: Pinewolf
Luna hasn't struck me as particularly scummy.meas particularly scummy. Just sayin'.
...lurker. scummmmmyyyyy. Also a bunch of stuff starts happening really fast around this point in the thread.VOT Productions wrote:Err... the last replies are quite... lol.
*thumbs up* Nice post.tanstalas wrote:Spoiler:
See above point.DavidParker wrote:Pine seems like OBV. scum at this point.
VOT's lurking/lack of existence is a bit scummy, but hard to comment on at this point until we see more from him.
...Answering a question for someone else? I'm pretty sure thats a no-no in mafia. Also about this time Mirror and David start double-teaming Pine.MirrorIrorriM wrote:
The way I see it, you are saying people are reading too deeply into your posts, something which we are SUPPOSED to be doing.Pinewolf wrote:
Oh and why do you think so?DavidParker wrote:Pine seems like OBV. scum at this point.
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Suspicious.
1. Where did llama buddy you?DavidParker wrote:...
Final note: I can see llama being a potential scum-buddy to Pine (Hi llama, I did notice you buddying me, but that won't stop me going after you), he mentioned how both Pine and mirror were scummy in a post of his, then pushed a case on mirror and semi-ignored Pine (commented on his grammatical "mistake" but that's it). Now, I found this fishy simply because mirror has been obv-town to me. And even Llama's case on him seems quite forced.
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2. Mirror is "obv-town"?
3. Case on Mirror is forced, eh?
4. Urging to vote for Pine.
Note: Yes, I am the things that could be used to substantiate my claim of Mirror + David scumbuddies and posting it here.
1. Whats with the (lol)?MirrorIrorriM wrote:
I love how you just shrug off my accusations and say "oh it can be taken either way" everytime I make an accusation. Your not offering any hard evidence against my case against you(lol). You repeatedly brush off my case as being ridiculous, you vote for someone like VOT to get pressure off of you, and now you say we shouldn't take your posts seriously. Sounds like a panicking scum to me (might just be my newbishness though).Pinewolf wrote:...
@King I find you saying to "Lynch Lunatic first cause he's lurking" disturbing; scum-buddies with pine perhaps? Like DP said, if you lynch someone ACTIVE you can get much more conclusive evidence against them. Lurking helps find scum, it isn't a guarantee to my knowledge.
@DP I don't like you pushing me to vote for pine. You say to "hurry up and do it" yet we have 2 weeks to go. Although I find this mildly suspicious, I was going to do it anyways so.
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This puts him at L-1, I request that no one hammer him yet; we have 2 weeks to go here people, we might be able to find his scumbuddy.
2. "Sounds like a panicking scum to me (might just be my newbishness though)." Trying to defend yourself from inevitible town flip?
3. Takes a cue from DP, also suggests me being scum-buddies with Pine.
4. Says he doesn't like DP pushing him to vote for Pine but does so anyway.
Post #139: getting into where I've already commented on stuff.
Already mentioned this one.DavidParker wrote:So, who's your scum buddy?
I don't like this, though it is notDavidParker wrote:Pine why are you ignoring my question, that's scummy!
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Claim = State your role. (ie: In your case you would say, "I am a mafia goon" or "I am a mafia roleblocker", depending on which one you are)neccesarilyscummy.
1. Says he isn't that good at mafia.MirrorIrorriM wrote:...
I will admit I miss things alot, I'm still getting used to this whole mafia thing. You must have quite a keen eye (don't really have one ) to play it. :U
@ LlamaFluff: Are you perhaps Pine's scumbuddy?
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I don't want to lynch prematurely, want to have the most ideal possible situation. And you blame me for WANTING to lynch you. I don't want to lynch YOU, I want to lynch SCUM; something I believe you are.
Then you say you wrote something similar in that post. I don't see it, so quote it directly. If you aren't scum then I am wasting the town's time blaming you. My best interests are the towns interests, which is lynching scum, not town. If you give me reason to no longer suspect you, I will by all means take it.
2. Random scumbuddy accusation.
3. Big spiel about towns best interest and blah blah.
Possibly covering for if Pine flips town.
Covered it.DavidParker wrote:I have to admit, Mirror's sense of humour is somewhat lacking.
Saved this one for a little bit just for this.MirrorIrorriM wrote:In response to post #137:
So you don't WANT to[/size], but you do so blatantly without caring. That's like a hitman saying he doesn't WANT to kill, it just puts bread on the table (note that I am not comparing YOU to a killer, just your statement to an excuse that could be used by one). Wanting to do something and doing it are two different things. We aren't blaming you for WANTING to manipulate people, we are blaming you FOR manipulating people.manipulate the truth
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And your whole "you have to read my posts thoroughly" can be said as "interpret all my posts as if I am not scum".
BAM. Also, anything can be interpreted as anything if you try hard enough. Claiming joke on the LlamaFluff accusation whenMirrorIrorriM wrote:
...KingTwelveSixteen wrote:@MirrorIrorriM: Why do you think me and Pine are scumbuddies? Also, when did he "manipulate the truth"? Preview edit: Urgh, everybodys posting to quick for me to finish my post! He be all accusing LlamaFluff now, please explain this reasoning as well. As long as we're making claims for mafia partners, how about MirrorIrorriM and DavidParker, he did after all list you as "Obvious town", you seem to take your cues from him a bit and his recent "you ARE mafia, period." type of posting on Pine makes him seem scummy. Also he just ninja'd me with a post seemingly defending you for your whole "not notice joke" thing (which I won't comment on.), but if Pine flips town I could see this as defending you, his scumbuddy, from suspicion.
, he just plain manipulated. He made a hollow accusation, knowing there was none there, simply to get discussion going about a person. This marked me as scummy, you know, like he was trying to get someone lynched for no reason. Town's goal is to lynch scum, mafia's goal is to lynch and kill everyone else. They don't need evidence, just need to be able to rouse suspicions and plant seeds of doubt and treachery.Pine didn't "manipulate the truth"
And the thing about LlamaFluff was more sarcastic, otherwise I would have pursued it. It was supposed to be a light joke because DP was just like, "so who is your scum buddy" and Llama defended pine and I'm just ITS HIM. It was a fail joke I am sorry.
Also the whole DP thing is pretty suspicious.you yourselfhave attacked Pine over his jokey stuff? F.Y.I. yours is way more suspicious and fake seeming.
Also, possible distancing once I suspect them being a scum-team.
That is all 'cause I really gotta go right now, possibly more talky stuff later.
@ModHey, can we make deadline lynches? Just wondering 'cause I've seen them before but I'm not sure if we can do them or not.
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Big tone change since last post.lunaticlucas wrote:
I know this will probably end up looking bad in my case but, I've read a couple of games and some SCUM tend to lurk when they can.DavidParker wrote:Don't lynch lurkers, or something
And addressing the other game of mine you guys were talking about. It started the first day of San Diego Comicon, and it the biggest comic book convention in the world right now(if you didn't know) so yeah I kinda got distracted. The whole event lasts 5 days.
After that I got stranded on the side of the highway in the the desert for 8 hours so yeah I was not really in the mood to finish playing a game of mafia after that.
Not trying to make excuses just trying to get you to understand where I'm coming from.
1. Seems to think DP is town soley due to being snarky and "hilarious".lunaticlucas wrote:Spoiler: LL's Post
2. Staright Forward? Seems exp'd? What??
3. Your notes are very short and basic, there is not much I can glean about your opinion from them.
4. Already responded to the bandwagoning on you.
5. Why would you think we would think you were buddying someone? Also some of the old style lunatic creeps back in.KingTwelveSixteen wrote:...BrentM wrote:- King hopped on the lunatic bandwagon pretty quickly
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6. "I insult people, but it's ok because I don't mean it!" Yeah.
7. "EVERYONE WHO SAYS IM SCUM ARE WRONG AND I WILL TELL THEM SO."
8. I could totally beat that.
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Thanks!MirrorIrorriM wrote:
I should probably use that spoiler thing for quotes from now on.KingTwelveSixteen wrote:Crap. I was thinking that spoiler would put it in one of those clicky things so that it drops down. Sorry.
Just remember that the "spoiler" option makes text go likethis.
"spoiler=" is likeSpoiler:
@Mod: Can you edit it and get rid of the giant eye gouge of darkness please?
p.s. Mafia is so fun to play. Text walls rule.
Done.
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Man, I think my streak of huge posts has ended, 'cause I can't really find any huge gaping flaws or anything in your response. It seems perfectly believable and you explain why you did everything you did. The joke and you accusing me still seem scummy, but I could totally believe you made all those mistakes soley because you are new.MirrorIrorriM wrote:@King: Could you please give me your response to my post answering your accusations?
Ok, maybe I can do a play-by-play thing anyway.
^quoted for posteriety^Spoiler:
1. This seemspossible,but it still seems a bit suspicious to me. (<==manipulating the truth thing)
2. Tunneling = severe, new people wouldn't know that, you get off from this one.
3. I have no idea if somebody would make that mistake about mafia being likely to survive and whatnot. Either of our two experienced-ish players (Not counting the one I am still suspicious of who hasn't replied to my post yet.) want to help with this one?
4. Lists within Lists!
4.a This seems silly, but it is super minor so I'm letting it go.
4.b You claimed newbie here, which is kind of obviously true, we are in a newbie game after all.
4.c You seem to misunderstand,
THIS is the cue I am talking about in this point.MirrorIrorriM wrote:...
@King I find you saying to "Lynch Lunatic first cause he's lurking" disturbing; scum-buddies with pine perhaps? Like DP said, if you lynch someone ACTIVE you can get much more conclusive evidence against them. Lurking helps find scum, it isn't a guarantee to my knowledge.
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4.d Good point about the planning stuff, I retract this accusation thing.
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If this is true then your theory could easily be correct!BrentM wrote:...
- (post #141) After posting in another game thread all night (6 times after he said he would be away), he comes back to our game the next day and votes lunatic, the popular vote, while throwing an opinion out there that he doesn't like the pine voting going on.
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You really should not be as confident or "happy to push" about this as you are. At all. It WILL backfire on you if he flips town.DavidParker wrote:...
I'm confident enough in my scum read on Pine that I am happy to push it. I'm also happy enough with the way my playstyle comes through that even if Pine flips town that won't necessarily backfire on me although it's quite probable it will.
I believe Pine is saying that you are pushing for him to an absurd degree. I believe the term is "tunneling." I have to say I agree with him after what you said after this.DavidParker wrote:@Pine:
Exactly. That's all you've accused me of. How is that even scummy? If you thought someone was scummy, surely you would push for their lynch. That's how this game works. You figure out or try to figure out who scum are and try get them lynched. That's what I'm doing. And you are saying me scum-hunting is a scum-tell. That's where I see your biggest slip to be. I agree I can be self-centered and overly confident, but that's my way of pushing my case and trying to show others how scummy you have been (and to further my case on you, as rude/aggressive behaviour is more likely to get a reaction from you so I can confirm my scum-read; something that has happened)pine wrote:i have only accused you of trying to push for a lynch too much
Hey David, wanna know how this read to me?DavidParker wrote:As for your questions and "requests" for explanations, I have no desire to get into some distracting "back and forth" with you. Especially now since you are treating this whole thing as a joke ("I am terribly sorry, like really very very sorry to be a newbie. I have no idea what town logic or what scum logic would be. Please explain that thoroughly with examples or poor newbie me will have no clue what you’re talking about." ).
Furthering a back and forth argument between the two of us will distract town and not benefit us in later scum hunting.
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That last part is a "subtle" indication of where you are right now in my mental list of scummyness. Seriously, you make a big deal about looking into people's reasoning and motivation to do things and then you go and refuse to answer questions posed to you like this. I can see no town motivation, other than sheer impatience or incompetence, both of which reflect badly enough on you for me not to feel bad about this, to refuse to answer someone's questions in an attempt to speed up their lynch like this so early in day 1, we have over 2 weeks left.I refuse to help town by answering your questions as that would slow down your lynching. Also I think of your questions as a joke to lesson the responsibility I have as town to answer them. Oh wait I'm not town so I don't care.
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He contridicted himself in a single post and you only think he's slightly scummy? That seems extrordinarily scummy to me. I mean the contradiction, not your not thinking he's scummy.ShowWin-Loss Ratio
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1. Who are you quoting with that "blatant" there?DavidParker wrote:
There's no "blatant" contradiction.KingTwelveSixteen wrote:He contridicted himself in a single post and you only think he's slightly scummy? That seems extrordinarily scummy to me. I mean the contradiction, not your not thinking he's scummy.
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I'll give you all the responses/answers to questions you won't if you just ask or accuse me of something. If you find me scummy, then go ahead and vote for me, but your post doesn't seem to imply that you find me scummier than Pine or Llama.
@king: I know exactly how you read that. Me ignoring Pine and his accusations to some extent. I can provide you plenty of evidence from other games where 2 players have become the center of attention via back-and-forth arguments on day 1 and all it did was create a huge distraction. A few times both players were town between the big arguments (generally one of the two people arguing gets lynched), and occasionally one of the two was scum. But regardless, huge back-and-forth arguments between two players that aren't going anywhere have no benefit for town. I'll gladly link you to multiple games if you want me to make the effort and go dig up some of my recent games.
Also, if you didn't notice some of his questions and comments were actually a "joke". I didn't just make them into a joke and claim they were worthless, he actually made them joke responses. Sure, some of his accusations and parts of his response were serious, but a lot of it was just sarcasm and joking questions.
2. Same question but with "major".
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Pffffft. Stupid computer, didn't mean to post that yet.
4. Seems...possible.
5. Then answer just the serious parts, or answer the serious parts seriously and the joke parts jokingly.ShowWin-Loss Ratio
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You almost just contradicticted yourself within your own post...I don't know why I am saying so but whatever. Also which 1 or 2 points were the good ones? Please point them out and respond/talk about them.DavidParker wrote:...
I'm sorry. I actually chuckled to myself.I was actually going to respond to King's post and just tear it to peaces but I can see he's trying.(And I think he's probably town but due to different reasons to you, I just get a newbie town vibe from him). King's huge wall post was useless.What good points did he make or solid cases???
ALL king did was quote mass posts and explain what happened in a post by post format. That's useless. He just repeated what was in all the posts and posted nothing of substantial worth.Maybe there was 1 or 2 good points in the huge wall, but overall it was generally useless (apologies for the harsh words king, i know you seem new but that's just my impression of your post)
Seriously, go re-read his wall (173) and tell me how much of that was anything new or actual thought out opinions. It was just a commentary of what people said. Useless. Yet, you claimed he's town because of it.
...@Pine: Just what questions do you want me to asnwer? I'll go re-read through quickly but I'm not quite sure what you want explaining.WHERE ARE THESE QUESTIONS!?!?!?
These were heavily implied to be questions. However, due to the fact that Pine hasn't responded to this yet and I want to hear his answer to see if THIS is what he was talking about or if he was making up the questions, I shall now save my draft and post this later, after Pine says something. Also because right now I gotta go do something.KingTwelveSixteen wrote:DavidParker wrote:...
Final note: I can see llama being a potential scum-buddy to Pine (Hi llama, I did notice you buddying me, but that won't stop me going after you), he mentioned how both Pine and mirror were scummy in a post of his, then pushed a case on mirror and semi-ignored Pine (commented on his grammatical "mistake" but that's it). Now, I found this fishy simply because mirror has been obv-town to me. And even Llama's case on him seems quite forced.
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2. Mirror is "obv-town"?
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"This" would be DP asking you what questions he wasn't answering and your response.Pinewolf wrote:Sorry if this might sound stupid but... What is this "this" you mentioned?ShowWin-Loss Ratio
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When you are reading the game at the bottom there is a pull down that says "Display Posts By User". From there you can select a certain player and it will show you all the posts that they have made and number them in that order. Iso 22 is your 22 second post you made in "isolation"MirrorIrorriM wrote:
iso 22? What's that?LlamaFluff wrote: It seemed that you decided Pine was scum around your iso 22. Just almost was a matter of convincing yourself that it was true.Yeeeees, I was trying to figure out how to do that earlier since I had seen people talking about it in the other games on this site, but all I get figure out how to do was find ALL the posts by a certain user.
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Mirror didn't say anything about bussing, he just said he wasn't completly sure that Pine was scum and found it very scummy that DP says he is completly sure without any super-definitive evidence or anything. It seemed pretty obvious to me.LlamaFluff wrote:...
Can you quote a post on that for me?He went into King's post and goes "I could pick this thing apart, but I wont". He gives off a vibe of being so sure of himself it is suspicious.
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I'm sorry. I actually chuckled to myself. I was actually going to respond to King's post and just tear it to peaces but I can see he's trying. (And I think he's probably town but due to different reasons to you, I just get a newbie town vibe from him). King's huge wall post was useless. What good points did he make or solid cases???pine wrote:And king seems pro town, making a bunch of good posts with solid cases and good reasoning.
ALL king did was quote mass posts and explain what happened in a post by post format. That's useless. He just repeated what was in all the posts and posted nothing of substantial worth. Maybe there was 1 or 2 good points in the huge wall, but overall it was generally useless (apologies for the harsh words king, i know you seem new but that's just my impression of your post)
Seriously, go re-read his wall (173) and tell me how much of that was anything new or actual thought out opinions. It was just a commentary of what people said. Useless. Yet, you claimed he's town because of it.
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So why arent you scum with Pine then by your own logic and reads? You think he is scum and have been sticking to it for a long period of time. That means you too must be bussing him right?My biggest vibe against him is how hard he is pushing Pine. I think Pine is scum for the most part, no doubting that. But he acts like he KNOWS your scum. I said this before I think; DP acts like either a completely reckless town, or a scum pushing a popular wagon (Pine's).ShowWin-Loss Ratio
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I assume that the decision is going to be lynching Pine then. It seems like that is the way everyones leaning to me.BrentM wrote:I think at this point we should just make a decision. We may be wrong about Pine but there is not much else to go on imo. If Pine turns out to be town, it will answer a lot of questions and I think we will have a good idea on where to go from there.
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So hey, guess what I noticed in his next three posts?DavidParker wrote:...
As for my defense,, just got home from work and heading out to dinner. I'm actually quite surprised that the people who were previously on my side are now voting me, and those who were previously perfectly happy with my accusations/cases are now the ones who find Pine scummier to me (see: tanst). It has made me re-think a few things.I'll respond to major concerns later
...DavidParker wrote:Mirror is seeming "scummier" but I had such a strong town read on him earlier I'm deciding to ignore it somewhat.
I have nothing to put against you as of your last post.
For now, V/LA til i'm sober and I've had more than 2 hours sleep in a night.DavidParker wrote:Hey guys just opened all my current games to do my quick-skim of the newest posts, and while I haven't got any content to post yet, I would like to state that Pine is at L-1, so no "accidental" hammers.
Not doing what you say you are going to then changing your vote right as everyone is going "Eh, I guess we should lynch Pine anyway then"?DavidParker wrote:meh, ATE is common from newbie towns.
Unvote, vote: tanstalas
As much as i think not lynhing someone who has claimed VT isn't very pro-town, as long as we are lynching scum i am happy. AT the moment i am more convinced of tanst scum than pine scum. Although I still find pine quite scummy and a "possible" buddy for tanst.
(Or at least I was doing that.)
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Statistically speaking, he has a 25% chance of having a role starting with Maf and ending with ker. Just sayin'.tanstalas wrote:...
I am role suspecting that your role starts with an "M" and ends with an "A" and has "afi" in between the two.
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I am totally fine with you responding to everything. In fact, I endorse it.DavidParker wrote:...
Also, feel free to post a case and I will respond to it, or quote one, but I'm not sure what you quite expect me to respond to at this point, seeing as there is 16 pages a lot of which is people saying stuff at me and some of it is people accusing me, I don't think you want me responding to every little bit of accusation or discussion regarding my behaviour. So please be more specific with what you want me to respond to.
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1. Lying as town is bad, I believe Pine got in trouble for a bit about that earlier in the thread, on page 3 or so (for me).DavidParker wrote:Because I said a single ATE made me "instantly" think otherwise?!!? I said I had been seeing some of the "emotional town tells' llama had been seeing but thought his scummy behaviour stood out more. I was getting a slightly more convinced of his "towniness" as he responded more and more, but I didn't let it show because I was waiting for that moment when he "gives up" as scum and town do it differently. If I let show I think he might be town, (if hes scum) he thinks hes sitll in with a chance and doesnt give up or keeps responding and using the same town-tells. But, if I keep forcing my case down his throat even if I start to doubt it somewhat, he eventually gives up and has to claim and then I can determine whether by the way he gave up I found him more town or scum.
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What is even worse is giving the reason as "I would know whether he is scum or not if we get to the point RIGHT before lynching and he gives up instead of continuing to fight and nobody hammers him before I come backeven though I didn't say I might change my mind and gave no reason for the townies to believe it a possibility so they had no reason to wait for me to talk after Pine's post instead of hammering if they thought it was suspicious."
2. Ok, I will attack you.
3. I find the second underlined item to be very scummy. Minimizing the arguements against you without actually having to argue them? Scummy.
4. Oh hey, here are some questions that you never answered.
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Reasonable.DavidParker wrote: I consider role fishing to be just that: "fishing" for PR's or even VT claims, as in actively trying to find out people's roles. This benefits scum for obvious reasons, finding PRs or making it easier to hunt PR's (by getting VT claims)
Role speculation is saying "i think so and so may have this role because of this", it's definitely anti-town as it doesn't benefit town to have your speculation into who is a likely PR public. If you notice someone breadcrumb cop, do you tell everyone?? Hell no. I personally hope the scum just don't notice it.
Please don't use quotes if you arn't quoting someone or being sarcastic, it 'causes needless confusion and is therefor anti-town.DavidParker wrote: I'm not quoting anyone with those words in quotes, but merely emphasizing them to some extent, since I was too lazy to italicize them. I used them to emphasize the ambiguity of the situation, ie: you can twist my post to show how I contradicted myself, but the key points of my posts don't contradict themselves, but it could easily be twisted to seem scummy.DavidParker wrote: Pine never asked me any questions, and hardly even accused me of anything or posted a case on me. DESPITE THIS, he was saying I was ignoring him and ignoring his questions (lolwutquestions).What.
You ALREADY answered why you didn't answer those questions earlier, you gave the un-satisfactory answer that follows.
I said some stuff about that already. It wasDavidParker wrote:...
As for your questions and "requests" for explanations, I have no desire to get into some distracting "back and forth" with you. Especially now since you are treating this whole thing as a joke ("I am terribly sorry, like really very very sorry to be a newbie. I have no idea what town logic or what scum logic would be. Please explain that thoroughly with examples or poor newbie me will have no clue what you’re talking about." ).
Furthering a back and forth argument between the two of us will distract town and not benefit us in later scum hunting.
...specificallythe thing that got me to vote for you! AND YOU STILL HAVN'T ANSWERED THE QUESTIONS! YOU CONTINUE TO PUT THEM OFF AS JOKES.The thing you ARE CURRENTLY RESPONDING TO is me telling you to actually answer the stupid questions FOR THE THIRD TIME! I directly quoted the second time in the post!
I don't even remember what the questions were! All I remember now is you refusing to answer them and dodging like crazy!
Exlamation marks! Emphasis!
I ask you where the buddying is, you say it happened "earlier" but it is actually irrelevant and that you are a lazy townie. Yeah.DavidParker wrote: Llama buddies me earlier, if you didn't notice it oh well. I don't expect it to be a tell in his case, as town or scum llama would do it. I'm too lazy to dig it up since it's irrelevant anyways.
And you give no reason other than "tone" for the Mirror case being forced, and go on to say it is because everyone reads posts differently.DavidParker wrote: I had an early strong-town read on mirror. If he's scum he definitely knows what he's doing and using it to manipulate town by acting like this is one of his "first games". Even as a first game town he is actively involved and playing a strong game, I'll be very impressed if he is scum from his early game play. I still feel he is probably town, but less convinced than before.
Saying the case was forced was mostly because of the tone of it and just the impression I got from it not being genuine. That's just my interpretation and totally ambiguous so not something to be explained as everyone reads the tone of posts differently.
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@Mirror: For starters, king is having a go at me forignoring someone else's questions. Most of which were joke pointssome of which were serious. I just filtered it all since it was largely a big wall post andI'm easily bored. Apparently, ignoring questions that are presented in a way that's annoying to respond to is now a HUGE scum tell. I'm also not sure what his obsession over small facts like me stating how llama was buddying me is. Sure, llama buddied me in one post, buddying happens all the time from people of different and similar alignments. I was merely observing it, and did so in a somewhat sarcastic way. Yet, he's using me being "lazy" as a scum tell now as well? Really?? Look, i'll go waste my time finding a quote which won't help us find scum or add anything to this game whatsoever. Buddying:
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1. Whee, contradiction. The two statements are only 3 posts apart to. Oh wait, you admitted he asked you questions earlier than that second quote as well. Why would you say that then?DavidParker wrote:...
Pinenever asked me any questions, and hardly even accused me of anything or posted a case on me. DESPITE THIS, he was saying I was ignoring him and ignoring his questions (lolwutquestions).
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2. What is really annoying me is that you utterly refuse to answer the questions and just dodge them instead. Dodging questions is a scum tell. It is crazy scummy when you repeatedly dodge questions THREE times in a row! Of course, for these specific questions, I believe the count is now at four, though it is probably higher.
3. Saying you arn't doing something because you are easily bored is pretty much the same thing as the "I'm to lazy" defense. It is a horrible defense.
4. Those small facts are not what I am obsessing about, I am obsessing about your refusal to answer them.
5.That is a terrible, terrible reason.You refuse to answer the serious questions in Pine's post entirely because some of the questions wern't serious.
6. I just love how you respond to Mirror and not me up there when you are trying to refute me, then at some point you give up on pretending to be talking to Mirror and change to talking to me directly.
7. The "buddying" that you included was ridiculous. That is not even close to buddying. I cannot see how you could possibly interpret every "I think X + X are town" post as buddying. Oh wait, you only did that to one post.
8. Note that your response for the case on mirror being bad thing is that it was "just bleh." You still have not given any actual reasons besides gut feelings, yet it seems as if you are trying to pass off those feelings as fact. Do not do that.
If we kill him enough day one for doing this he will eventually stop doing it.MirrorIrorriM wrote:On the DP wagon: Remember when you vote DP for not answering questions and playing so aggressively that he ALWAYS plays like that in every game I have looked at that he is in. Although he is nearly on equal levels with my suspicion as Pine, he has a meta to back his case of that just being his playstyle; no matter how much I or anyone dislikes it.
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Ah, so your defense is now that you are just anti-town.DavidParker wrote:What makesintentionallyignoring questions a scum tell? Is it not just anti-town?
The "i'm too lazy defence", once again how is that scummY?
Btw, this is number 5 (in terms of ignoring those questions)
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Do I even need to say why I think we should lynch you anymore?
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KingTwelveSixteen Goon
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Allow me to rephrase my arguement.DavidParker wrote:Wooosh. Everything I've said has just gone right over your head.
Are you colorblind in real life as well?
1. By DavidParker's own admission, he is acting anti-town.
2. Pretty much everyone wants to lynch somebody today.
3. DavidParker, being anti-town, has a higher chance of being scum than others.
4. Due to point 1, losing DavidParker will not hurt town as much as losing other players, should they happen to be town.
5. Therefor, lynch DavidParker.ShowWin-Loss Ratio
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KingTwelveSixteen Goon
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I am not tunneling you, I am going after you because you blatantly refuse to answer any questions. you yourself said not to go for the lurkers. I have scum-hunted both lunatic, the LURKER, and Mirror. Once again you do not answer the questions. I am not acting anti-town, and admitting to acting anti-town does not make you better in any way shape or form, it merely reveals that you care less about playing the game correctly then you do for winning this ridiculous arguement. Oh yeah, this also marks the second personal insult towards me in a row you have given in "defense" of your actions.DavidParker wrote:...
You tunneling on me and ignoring the lurker and not scum-hunting anywhere else all while asking useless questions (okay they're not all useless but some definitely are) is anti-town. At least I have the balls to admit to the anti-town characteristics of my play-style.
Oh yes, then there is this.
So, what? Does that make it OK? Are you trying to say that it is perfectly normal to play the game badly on an off day and therefor it is fine for you to purposefully do it?DavidParker wrote: Cool, everyone plays anti-town at some point or another.ShowWin-Loss Ratio
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DavidParker wrote:Hint: Explanation mark implies sarcasm.
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Wait, wait, wait.Pinewolf wrote:...
Preview edit: i'm pretty sure he meant exclamation mark.
Are you saying THIS was sarcasm?
...How was that sarcastic?DavidParker wrote:Pine why are you ignoring my question, that's scummy!ShowWin-Loss Ratio
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...Didn't you renounce the whole "Pine is scum" thing a couple pages ago? You remember right? It was RIGHT AS HE WAS ABOUT TO BE LYNCHED.DavidParker wrote:I consider myself quite good at reading sarcasm as well. Obviously you guys fail at it.
Pine, despite the fact I still think you're scum I actually really enjoy being in this game with you because you have brought a lot of life and you actually have a personality and seem to be enjoying the game (and you use sarcasm and understand it as well)
But yeah, you are still probably scum and need to die. :/ShowWin-Loss Ratio
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It is a lie. Try it for yourself, you know it to be true.MirrorIrorriM wrote:
Luke Skywalker: It's not true...singersigner wrote:So...did you know you can't hum while plugging your nose?THATS IMPOSSIBLE!ShowWin-Loss Ratio
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KingTwelveSixteen Goon
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Hm. I think DP is scummier than lunatic, but lunatic has more votes right now and he also never really stopped being scummy, he just decided to lurk (lurk more I mean, hasn't even posted in the last 5 days.) and then the whole DP thing happened...
I'm not sure if I should knock him down to L-1 or stay on DP though.
...DP is just so scummy!ShowWin-Loss Ratio
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Stop trying to discredit my arguement as tunneling and confirmation bias. You have been doing a horrible job defending yourself.DavidParker wrote:I can understand King's being "convinced" i am scum. It happens to the best of us. Then confirmation bias sets in and you see everything they do as having scum intent, and see scum reasoning for it. I've been in the same position and tunneled someone to hell because I was convinced they were scum, attacked them, then every response to my attacks I saw as scummy (http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.ph ... &start=275). It gets to a point (ie: now) where I see no reason to respond to him because I'm not going to convince him other wise, maybe other people will or my interactions with other people will change his view, but interactions between the two of us is just going to be a big distraction.
There is a strong case on Luna, but I'm not going to vote him yet. As I prefer my vote on tanst at the moment. I'll let it be known that as of right now I find it quite likely that 2/3 of Singer/Luna/Tanst are scum, and if that's not the case it's because Pine is scum, he still seems scummy to me, but people are slowly convincing me with their "pine = obv town" pitches :/
Reasons why DP is probably scum:
1. Blatant refusal to answer questions.
2. Tried defending himself by saying his actions were merly anti-town.
3. Tries to minimize arguements against himself instead of actually answering them on several occasions.
4. He has contradicted himself at least 3 times by my count.
These are only my arguements for his scummyness, the whole deflect attention thing brought up by others also seems valid.ShowWin-Loss Ratio
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KingTwelveSixteen Goon
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I don't think there are any days I won't be able to post, there might be a few I'm having to much of a good time eating food and messing around with presents that I forget though.ShowWin-Loss Ratio
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Obvious distraction vote is obvious.DavidParker wrote:As i've been saying singer is probably scum, first thing tanst has got right!
On the case on singer: That is a horrible case and it has already been debunked by singer herself so I shall not argue against it myself.ShowWin-Loss Ratio
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KingTwelveSixteen Goon
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David has claimed VT and has now just made another pretty blatant mistake involving tanstalas, we should lynch him. We will lose very little if he is town and gain much if he turns out to be scum, which is much more likely.
Preemptive speculation about scumbuddies:
tanstalas: He voted for someone nobody else was voting for at the time with rather shallow reasoning, possibly as an attempt to pull a bit of heat off of DP. DP immediatly sheeped him.
Mirror: Despite my town tell on him he still seemed to copy many of DP's votes and stuff earlier so I must include him as a possibility.
Lunatic (now Uite): lunatic claimed DP was townie, is very scummy just by himself, and DP seems to have tried not to bring any attention to him, attempting to start another wagon on someone else instead of just trying to strengthen the case on lunatic (Which would have been much easier). This one is most likely in my opinion, although it could be someone else entirely.ShowWin-Loss Ratio
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KingTwelveSixteen Goon
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Oh, here is why he is voting for you Uite.
I said this:
Then DP said this:KingTwelveSixteen wrote:...
Lunatic (now Uite): lunatic claimed DP was townie, is very scummy just by himself, and DP seems to have tried not to bring any attention to him, attempting to start another wagon on someone else instead of just trying to strengthen the case on lunatic (Which would have been much easier). This one is most likely in my opinion, although it could be someone else entirely.
Next post after that he said this:DavidParker wrote:
Speculating over scum buddies is a bad idea until you have seen a scum flip (in fact it hurts town, generally, and just helps mafia know who to kill at night), and it's just pointless until you've seen a flip anyways.KingTwelveSixteen wrote:...
So yeah. If you are scum Uite, I feel a little bad for you. You were doomed from the moment you joined. Especially if we have a cop.DavidParker wrote:Vote: Lunatic
Already claimed and stated what would result from my lynch. But I suppose there are worse lynches.ShowWin-Loss Ratio
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KingTwelveSixteen Goon
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I said you/lunatic were most likely scumbuddy of him from his completely ignoring you/lunatic. He says the whole speculation thing is stupid then next post suddenly stops ignoring you without giving a reason why.Uite wrote:
Disregarding the fact that you're answering in someone else's place, which is very bad by itself, can you explain why that is actually a reason to vote for someone? First, you claim he is trying very hard to avoid my predecessor, implicating us as scumbuddies. Then he points out that such speculation is anti-town. How does it follow from that that he would vote for me?KingTwelveSixteen wrote:Oh, here is why he is voting for you Uite.
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Actually, I'd gladly let myself be investigated, though I feel there are far better targets.KingTwelveSixteen wrote:So yeah. If you are scum Uite, I feel a little bad for you. You were doomed from the moment you joined. Especially if we have a cop.
Also, I'm now up to page 11 with my readthrough. It's going a lot slower than I hoped, and I guess Hofstadter's law is in full effect. I can say that my reads have definitely shifted over the last few pages. I hope to get this done before I go to bed, but I'm not counting on it.
If that is still to subtle or whatever, I am saying I think he is voting for you because he is blindly panicing as scum and is trying to stop inplicating his scumbuddy, you, by ignoring you.ShowWin-Loss Ratio
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Oh yeah, I'm gonna be V/LA or whatever December 26 to...29 I think? I'm not entirely sure how long it'll take.
Also Uite, which of my points hit the mark and which missed? Just saying that some of them did and some didn't with no other reasoning doesn't help at all.ShowWin-Loss Ratio
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KingTwelveSixteen Goon
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...I should respond completly instead of just partially to this. Thanks for reminding me not to hold things back singer.Uite wrote:KingTwelveSixteen:He's definitely trying, but I think he misses the mark as often as he hits it. He's too cautious with his votes, but that's null. He's been tunnelling on DP all game, with occasional small excursions to Mirror. I'm decidedly neutral on him.
1. Which marks hit and which failed? Please list examples.
2. Cautiousness was due to newbieness.
3. How have I been tunneling DP? Tunneling is a serious accusation, is it not?
4.Occasionalexcursions to Mirror? I made one "excursion" to him at the same time as my initial attack on DP then droped it to focus entirely on DP.
5. You apparently didn't notice my case on your predecessor, lunatic. I find it very hard to believe that you wouldn't notice the case as it directly impacts you. I attacked him fairly heavily as well.
6. Neutral? The neutralness of this post feels, well,faketo me. I don't think I'm saying this right, but the whole "neutral opinion on me" thing just doesn't sit well with me. This opinion just feels fake to me, as if your actual opinion on me is something other than this.
The flimsy accusation of tunneling, not mentioning where I missed the mark, and seemingly not noticing my case against your predecessor, these things make me think that perhaps you are saying them so that you can discredit my arguments against you/lunatic (and DP) without answering them.
This opinion just feels fake to me.
Thanks again to singer for reminding me to actually post what I am thinking instead of just keeping it to myself.ShowWin-Loss Ratio
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KingTwelveSixteen Goon
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