Newbie 1055 (Game over)

[Stefunny]

I'm in the middle of writing a post, have some frickin' patience.

[Stefunny]

I apologize for my absence. Weekends are tough because I snowboard a lot this time of the year, I'm much more active during the week.
First off, I am a girl, that's right, read the name slowly. Thanks. Please refer to me as 'she' instead of 'he' from now on.

Can you all answer these please!

1. Is there any time coming up where we can expect you to not be very active?

I'm usually v/la at the Weekends (more so Saturday than Sunday) but sometimes I'm around[/b[
2. Have you familiarized yourself with Mafia Discussion and the Wiki? [bYea, done a few games here and a few elsewhere, still learning though!

3. Have you read at least one completed game on site?

Yes.

4. What is your experience level? How many games have you played? Are there any complete newbies in the house? Does everyone know how the game in general works.

This is my 4th game on site, 2 completed one other one running. I'm familiar with standard rules, some of the more in depth set ups with other roles confuse me, but I enjoy the newbie games at the moment.

So far the game seems to still be pretty random, but I do notice some things that make me think. I actually liked DavidParker's way of rubbing in a random vote and waiting to see if people kind of jumped on the bandwagon. I actually think this was sort of effective, and makes me wonder how random gapocs votes really are? You seem to bounce around a lot and be very noncommittal. Gapoc, do you think we are still in RVS? Or should it be considered over now?
Mr. Bump; The all caps = a joke thing could get you into a lot of trouble. You might want to calm down a bit, because right now it DOES kind of look like you were role fishing. Some people won't take what you say in caps as a joke. And why are you in such a hurry anyways? Are you really refreshing every 5 minutes?
Haylen, as IC do you have any reads on anyone as of yet, or are you waiting for us to give ours first?


I don't think if DP was scum he would come out and say he was going to make someone cry. I don't think Scum would be that bold that early. Gapoc and Mr. Bumps impatience is what irks me the most right now. Mr. Bump I do think is just hyper, but Gapoc has been extremely noncommittal and continues to change his vote. Seems you don't want to stir up trouble, hmm?

Vote: Gapoc

Which I believe is back at L-2

[Stefunny]

Wait, you're calling me town because of my post saying I would make someone cry??? What the heck.

Kind of a bold statement if you were scum. If you ARE scum then you are one ballsy scum, but for D1 I'm ruling you out.

Well, first of all

Unvote: Stefunny

. I understand. Well, I guess I'm pretty much done. It doesn't really matter. (not so) valuable townies usually get lynched on the first day... You're probably setting the record for shortest day ever. In that case,

Vote: gapoc459

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Dear lord, I accuse you of being noncommittal and you unvote? AND vote for yourself? Seriously? This feels like a total ploy to get votes off of you and it's a terrible defense. You can't even work up a fight? Townies fight for their lives. You could at least try to find something scummy somebody else did and build a case instead of giving in.

[Stefunny]

gapoc I'm not angry at you for voting me either. I'm playing the game, which I suggest you do as well. Nobody has said anything nasty about you either. We are simply questioning your motive behind the self vote. You will learn quickly that you have to lie and deceive in this game so you have to take everything anyone says and question it. Especially when their posts seem to be appeals for an emotional reaction. I would unvote yourself and start over, nobody will hold that against you.

[Stefunny]

It is still early in D1, so I'm willing to give gapoc some time to redeem himself. I can see a newbie in a hurry to get out of a game they feel is hopeless so they can start a new game. If you really feel you can handle two games you can always join a game in the Open game queue, you just can't be in more than one newbie game at a time if it's your first game.

We still need some people to post too.

Mod

correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe the people who have yet to post have until Tuesday morning or so before they are prodded (72 hours from start of d1).
So we have some time before we need to rush votes.

unvote

[Stefunny]

Gapoc they are given 72 hours before they are prodded.
And also, don't thank anyone yet. If it was a ploy to get votes off of you it worked for the time being. I am not yet convinced you are town

[Stefunny]

well we should just keep that in mind. either it was a ploy or he is just really a noob. but that will be decided at a later time or at least till everyone posts

How do you feel about everyone who has posted so far?

I'm not thanking anyone. Yes SxyBeast, I made mistakes, but you should all thank yourselves for not lynching someone who will help you in the future...

Then why did you say Thank you?

[Stefunny]

She did post she was V/LA. I think EVERYONE needs to calm down, you don't seem to understand that we have 3 weeks to figure out who to lynch D1. You don't need everyone to post all the time. You have

72 hours

until you are prodded. (This will be the 3rd time I've said this, yet gapoc keeps pushing for replacments). Everyone needs to CALM DOWN and READ before you post. Skimming is a big no no around these parts.

Also, Gapoc, I told you not to thank anyone because in context you said Thank you right after 2 people unvoted you. I figured you were saying Thank You to those people for giving you a second chance.

[Stefunny]

Okay, I'll calm down. I'm just excited because this is my first mafia game. I know you have 72 hours, but still, they haven't even been on the website, so there's a big chance they won't even see their prods... Anyway, if they don't respond, how long before there'll be replacements?

From what I have seen it does not take long to fill newbie slots. I could be wrong, but the last newbie game I was in was filled pretty quickly.

[Stefunny]

Hi all, spent a bit catching up, I agree with DP, this is a hard one to judge, it feels like there is a lot to dig through to try and figure out who is actually scum and who just is newer to the game. I'll break down how I feel about everyone so far.

@MrBump

Look, first suspicions of me. Inb4massivewagontakesform

What do you mean by this post? Why do you think a "massive wagon" will take place? Do you feel like a vote against you is justified?
I actually don't find you to be particularly scummy, you seem to pay attention to what people say and I like that. I honestly just think you are an outgoing person so you come off as being slightly excitable.

@Vinoth, Do you feel like your questions were answered? The Wiki is actually really really helpful and I would suggest EVERYONE take a look at it. It really helped me when I began, and it still helps me on a regular basis.

I'm not sure I've gained any information/suspicions by skimming through the last 7 pages.. so yeah I'm not casting my vote yet.

You have NO suspicions at all? Nothing? Really? Do you at least have any town reads on anyone? (Meaning is there anyone you feel pretty strongly that they are TOWN and not scum?)

And those people who have voted to kill me, if you simply lynch people who are unactive I understand. If you have any other reason for accusing me, do tell ...

Why would killing an inactive person me understandable? Would you do that if you were active and someone else was inactive?

@Vittorio

8 pages was a lot to read so early on, and gapoc smells the funniest out of all. In several of his posts there may be tells, but the main reasons for my suspicion of him are his erratic behaviour, his hyper-activity and his several references to his age. I in fact doubt that he is only 12 years old. Perhaps he is overly precocious, but his discourse (language) strikes me as above the average 12 year old's language.

So is your vote based on the fact that someone might be lying about their age on the internet? What do you think would be his motivation for lying about being 12? How do you think that would affect other players in the game?

@Haylen
I'm glad everything is okay, and I hope you didn't take offense to comments made by players in the past. I would really like to hear what your experience is with new players and determining the difference between "newness" and "scummy-ness"

@SxyBeast

I agree with DP that we should take his age and maturity into account when discussing him. his WIFOM bothered me as well, but unlike DP i thought he was pushing a bit hard on the ATE. so from my point of view he was either mafia that really didn't want to be lynched, and for the time being worked, or he ,being 12, got a bit over excited and just started posting his feelings and voted himself. Though what i don't get about him voting himself is that y would u give up if u r important to us? u said you'll do better next time, but i have never seen anyone who is actually important just give up. For the most part they fight the hardest because they are important and can help win the game.

So since everyone took their votes off of u and ur no longer at L-1

Vote gapoc

What would you have done if gapoc was still at L-1? If gapoc is lynched and flips scum who do you think is his partner?
What if he flips town? How do you feel about the other players?

@Doros
I'd really appreciate it if you'd make some sort of a statement that actually helped with scum hunting rather than "chit-chat" as DP said. You come off as scum simply because it doesn't feel like you are very invested in this game. I'd suggest browsing through a couple games to understand how the basic mechanics look, because if you aren't giving input that benefits town then you come off as "anti-town" whether or not you are scum. And if you aren't scum I really don't want us to end up wasting a lynch on you.
Being a smart-ass doesn't help either.

@DavidParker
You seem so sure that gapoc is scum, so would you consider your case against Doros as being stronger or weaker than your case against gapoc? Do you possibly feel that your vote against Doros may be more of a 'policy lynch' or do you feel fairly strongly about Doros being scum.

You guys are all so scummy that this game is becoming awfully difficult..

Vittorio is town. Rest of you are scummy as hell.

What about Vittorio in his 4 posts makes you so sure he is town?
Also, I understand asking for some originality, but why does people voting the same way as you seem to bother you? Are you afraid of leading lynches?

@Gapoc
You do seem smart for a 12 year old, but I don't think it's unreasonable that you may be I'd like to know why you don't have a vote somewhere? You aren't at L-1 but you are getting close, and I think it would be reasonable for you to start building a case to save your own butt. You FOS'd Mr Bump, and I actually feel you had pretty good reasoning, so what was it that made it an FOS and not a vote? What about Vittorio's post made you feel like he knew what he was doing?

By my count gapoc is at L-2.

I'm going to

Vote: SxyBeast

. I don't think gapoc is necessarily the most scummy, I just think he is more active than others I find to be scummy. I have a feeling our scum may be quiet...
I don't like how SxyBeast seems to chime in occasionally but it seems to be fluff. It's almost like you are posting enough to stay active, but I don't feel there is much usable contact. You are 'flying below the radar' so to speak. Especially for seeming pretty excited at the beginning of the game. I also think that you seemed to jump on the gapoc wagon (twice) fairly quickly. Honestly this is more of a gut feeling, but it's early enough in the game that I'm comfortable with the vote.

I would like to ask EVERYONE who they think the TWO scum are. Please respond, as of right now I have my suspicions about SxyBeast and Doros. Doros because 'it' seems to be distancing itself from anyone at all. SxyBeast only made one small comment about Doros' post and it was sort of a half-hearted FOS.

[Stefunny]

Well crap, missed it (rough week)... I have a theory I will post beginning of next day. If gapoc flips town it will strengthen my theory.

[Stefunny]

Annnnnnd that's what I get for not catching up with today's posts before posting from work...

[Stefunny]

No I read this morning before work and then posted after without reading what happened today other than that gapoc had been lynched/claimed. Just means I have to reevaluate. Sorry I've been absent, been one of those weeks.

[Stefunny]

Okay, after reading everything that has gone down I'm going to say that I am feeling pretty solid about David Parker being the second scum. I started to get this feeling toward the end of D1 but the Gapoc incident happened before I got a chance to explain why.
I always like to reread early stuff after scum has been lynched. I am surprised by Gapocs seeming ineptness at the game but not by Vinoths death. Gapoc pretty much revealed Vinoth was town so if they had killed somebody else it would have narrowed down who could have been scum by two people at the beginning of today. I understand the whole "VINOTH IS TOWN" thing could have been a trick, but it really seemed more like a slip of an inexperienced scum, therefore the most convenient kill was Vinoth. Also good scum tends to keep around people who they think they can get lynched or who cause controversy. Vinoth really doesn't fit either of those categories.

After we find out gapoc is scum the best thing to do in my opinion is look at his interactions with other players. Yes, David kept voting and unvoting him but I really feel like this was all done on purpose. The first unvote was done once people actually started to follow the vote and then you laid into Doros pretty hard (Confirming like 3 times?) But when it looked like a lynch was coming he jumped back on the bandwagon so maybe he would look like he wasn't sacrificing a scum mate.

David asked a few times for people not to follow his votes, which I kind of find as odd. It honestly felt like "I'm voting for gapoc, but please find some originality and vote for somebody else" because he didn't really WANT gapoc to be lynched. Then there was the coaching.

I'm actually taking into account his maturity and age when analyzing him, which is probably working in his favor, but definitely still worthy of vote, I wouldn't say he's "too scummy to be allowed to live" yet.

Gapoc is blindly following other players largely and that's not too uncommon or unexpected given the circumstances of this being a nebwie game and his inexperience.

I just greatly dislike the WIFOM he used which did come of us as scummy whereas the ATE was more townish given him being a newbie.

Were you a little frustrated that he was following you and not distancing himself like you felt he should have been?

That is not the correct way to respond to being put at L-2. (You are now L-1)

Please try again.


I suggest you browse over some other newbie games to see where you are going wrong.

i don't consider gapoc's self vote as scummy as others do, in fact i don't find it very scummy from a newbie, more of a null-tell at this point.
...
Here is what you want to avoid for future games:

I voted for you because you were SE, and because you were inactive

Two bad reasons for a vote early on. As a RVS that's somewhat okay, and i wasn't too opposed to this vote. Just don't try justify it as a "serious" vote. The reasoning behind it is too poor.

and am happy (well not really, since now I'll be innocently lynched

Appeal to emotion. (ATE). It's bad. And considered a slight scum tell. But it's really common from newbies who get pressured and don't understand why (especially as town).

I might as well resign, because I want to see how the mafia reacts to this (who they kill, why, etc.) and hopefully can do better in another game.

No, you might as well not. If you are town, you should be playing to your win condition. (same as scum too). That involves not giving up. Fight back, argue as to why you are town. DO BETTER IN THIS GAME. NOT YOUR NEXT GAME.

Your second paragraph on Haylen is good. Keep more coming. That's all you need to do, is post your opinions, even if you don't think they are likely to be right, post YOUR OPINIONS, not OTHER PEOPLES.

No idiot would be stupid enough to draw as much attention to himself as I am doing now...

This is WIFOM. (Search for it on wiki if you don't know what that means). Avoid WIFOM in general.

Your last paragraph is bad. IT's a bunch of ATE and WIFOM. No one hates you obviously..


So..

As for newbie scum tells in your last few posts when you've given up: (more directed at other people than gapoc)

I may be new, but I hope you don't actually think I'd be stupid enough to put myself at L-1 if I were mafia. Losing a mafia goon on D-1 is pretty much an automatic loss for them. Besides, I wouldn't be nearly as active if I were mafia. No idiot would be stupid enough to draw as much attention to himself as I am doing now...

This ATE seems to be trying to get people to unvote.. Suggests he may not have given up quite yet and it is a "ploy". Him drawing attention to himself wasn't even intentional. It was just his poor and inexperienced way of dealing with pressure.

I'm not ready to roleclaim, because (of course!), no one would believe me, but, eh, you win some, you lose some!

LOLWOT? Didn't you already soft-claim in your previous post? Hmm. Tempted to leave my vote here...

As an SE I am fully on board with helping others but I feel like you excessively tried to assist gapoc in his play, and I feel the reasoning behind it was you were worried about your inexperienced scum mate making a silly mistake.

Also you keep emphasizing not to listen to gapocs slips after his identity was revealed but I think it is because you don't want it to be narrowed down to being JUST the guys. I don't think gapoc would have purposefully put a he/him in his post to throw everyone off. That would have been a lot of thought to try and mislead everyone. I don't think gapoc put that much thought into his posts once he revealed he was scum. It really seems like you are just trying to get the attention off of you and the other guys. So in my eyes that slip DOES narrow it down. And honestly if it IS a girl your argument against me doesn't have any sort of reasoning behind it versus why other girls would be a possibility. Your reasoning for it not being Sxy is

First to correct a few things:
Sxy wasn't on the wagon the first time Gapoc got to L-1, the wagon consisted of you/me/Stef/Gapoc. I unvoted followed by gapoc then Stef then you.

Sxy hadn't even POSTED in the thread by the time we'd voted and unvoted. So how does that rule her out exactly?

Also, out of curiosity, how are you so sure VS is town?

I just don't like the conversations that happened between David and gapoc. No, there isn't day talk, but I feel there was a lot of coaching going on and the post about it not being correct to vote for yourself at L-2 really strikes me as "WHAT ARE YOU DOING?"

Vote:

DavidParker

And before you call it OMGUS, it's not, I started to get a funny feeling about you before N1 began and you seemed to have confirmed it as of late.

[Stefunny]

I don't think SxyBeast is scum simply because I really think the gender slip up of gapoc was a genuine slip. Especially after rereading it, it seems pretty natural.
Doros hasn't revealed it's gender has it? I guess at this point it is moot because 'it' could say it was a female just to make it less suspicious.

Mr. Bump's role fish was a serious goof. I really hope if there is a cop they don't claim. WAY to early in the game. We were LUCKY with the first scum kill. D1 almost always ends up with a mislynch. I think the interaction between DP and gapoc is still the most interesting.

1) Vinoth was the person I was going to be voting today. He was my #1 pick for Gapoc's buddy, and definitely somoene i found scummy even if gapoc flipped town.

This really isn't a defense, it would be a nice way for you to TRY and make a defense. You made it clear D1 that Vinoth was your next vote, so if you are scum and you kill him it could make you look like "OH GEE I THOUGHT HE WAS SCUM!"

Like I said to MrBump, sure you did DavidParker. Everyone could see that you cut off the bottom part of Haylen's post. You do not want the other people to see the questions which would raise questions if your point is valid. You was trying to make a fellow town member look bad. Who would do something like that? My scumhunting skills will improve over time so you just need to be patient. What else can I say?!

I agree with DavidParker on this point. Here on MS many people don't LOVE wall posts, and he wasn't really erasing any details that were important, just replying to your post. I like to quote only snips that I'm referring to, and I don't think it's necessarily trying to hide anything. A lot of times you just have to take everything in context.

In reference to the spoiler tag; I've noticed a lot of mods around the site don't really like when you do stuff like that. I believe it can be counted as trying to hide wording which most games I've played have rules about. In fact one of the rules of our game is

Do not use any font size other than normal please. I will warn violaters, and will modkill repeat offenders. Don't try to hide text or make it difficult to read either. (Also, absolutely no encrypted text of any kind.)

So even though it looks cool I would advise all to double check before they use it.

[Stefunny]

I have to say I am becoming more and more confident in Doros scum.

So DavidParker, are you confident enough to follow MrBump suggestion and sacrifice yourself if I am proven to be town?

At this point, yes.

This is a pretty strong statement.

At this point the three who are most being discussed as scum seem to be Doros, SxyBeast and DP.
Since SxyBeast is a girl I still think the chances or her being scum are low (despite how scummy she's been acting).

I would be willing to vote Doros, due to 'it's' scummy actions. This would accomplish two things:

• Doros DOES seem to be skirting a lot of issues and questions directed at 'it'. I can't tell if this is because it is scum or becaues it is just an annoying pain in the butt. Either way it's anti town and potentially dangerous if it is scum.
  
• IF Doros does flip town I would be interested to see how David Parker reacts given the above quote.

Therefore I would be willing to switch my vote to Doros if everyone feels it is worth a lynch.

[Stefunny]

I'm in agreement that I don't think we should be lynching SxyBeast based on the "him" slip presented by gapoc earlier, which more or less just leaves Doros or MrBump who I am willing to lynch today. Doros has been far scummier.

That's funny, earlier you were determined not to let what scum said after being caught affect you...

If there's a doc out there, I hope they protect me this coming night.

Where does this come from?

[Stefunny]

Because I can't get any definite read on my main suspects. One minute it's SxyBeast, the next minute it' someone else...

Why do you think that means you need a doc protect? You are being awful vague.

[Stefunny]

Stefunny, are you scum?

No, are you?

[Stefunny]

Stefunny, why did you not vote for Gapoc? I.e. why were you unconvinced that he was scum? And why did you vote for SxyBeast that day?

Because I honestly thought gapoc was just being a ridiculous newb. I saw frustration that I thought was genuine. And I still think SxyBeast is insanely scummy but I think the "him" was also genuine, therefore I no longer think Sxy can be scum.

If you are implying that I voted for Sxy because I didn't want to vote for my scum mate then you are sorely mistaken. Generally scum will jump on the wagon toward the end to try and appear as town as possible, even if it means they end up killing their own scum mate. It's a team win, not individual.

[Stefunny]

Everyone. Even if you die as long as your faction wins you get to count it as a win. If Townie A is lynched but town wins game Townie A still gets to claim a win. Same way for Scum. Smart scum know that even if their teammate dies or if they die and team mate lives they can still get a win out of the game.

[Stefunny]

I was hoping you wouldn't answer as an SE player.

I'm also not implying anything. Just asking questions.

Asking questions is a good thing actually. The easiest way in my opinion to get scum is to get under peoples skin and watch their reactions. That's exactly what a well thought out question does.

[Stefunny]

I'm starting to wonder about VS...

OK, here's the game's permutation in set up:

* 1 Mafia Goon, 1 Mafia Roleblocker, 1 Sane Cop, 1 Sane Doctor, 5 Townies
* 1 Mafia Goon, 1 Mafia Roleblocker, 7 Townies
* 2 Mafia Goons, 1 Sane Cop, 6 Townies
* 2 Mafia Goons, 1 Sane Doctor, 6 Townies

I wish we had a vigilante. I hope we're scenario 1, and not scenario 2...

gapoc was only a Mafia goon, so why do you seem to assume we are either scenario 1 or 2? You do realize as he is a goon all of those are still options. That is, unless you know there is a roleblocker...
Also

3. Stefunny, who should know that my 'cross-questioning' of her is half-joky, but probing on another level. She raises my suspicions because she answered in the pedagogic style of an SE, rather than as a townsperson under threat from scum. In short, she avoided the questions.

I thought I answered your questions pretty straightforward actually. And then backed up my answers with my reasoning. I don't see how this is "pedagogic" Rather I was just explaining my reasoning. Also, I was not aware that your 'cross-questioning' was "half-joky" Because I don't see how it was a joke. Actually, it looks now as if you are dismissing your line of questioning as a joke.

More Importantly:

The reason why I didn't answer the gender question is because I answered it twice already. So you guys/gals either missed it or forgotten it. Like Stefunny said it is a pain in the butt seeing it over and over again. We are playing mafia and gender should not be an issue. In fact, no one except myself, knows my gender. It was interesting watching some of you going crazy over it though. But really, it is a nonissue.

Yes, realistically it is a non-issue. But instead of coming out and saying something along the lines of "I'd rather not say" you just avoided the questioning all together, which is scummy. Also, I said your avoiding the questions was a pain in the butt, not people asking over and over again. And I reread your posts, you have said twice that you answered the question already, but you didn't. Are you assuming we won't double check what you are saying? I don't really care if you are a guy or a girl, but repeatedly not even acknowledging questions directed at you is scummy as hell and driving everyone mad.
I think DP smells like scum as well, but I can't take the fluffy/ignorant answers given by Doros anymore.

If Doros isn't scum then I will be going after you, DP. As you said before.

Vote: Doros

(Sorry about earlier format error)

[Stefunny]

So Stefunny, how come when I asked you the question below you didn't even bother to answer it? Only Haylen came by later to answer it for me. Aren't we the little hypocrite?

First of all there is a huge difference between the two questions. I apologize I didn't answer but I didn't have many posts around that time. You asked that question on page 10. Due to real life circumstances I did not post again until page 14 when day 1 was over. I figured Haylen our IC, as you keep pointing out, had answered and forgot about the question. You asked once, and I forgot, I apologize, however it is completely different than a question that has been asked many times and you continually skirted around.

Saying something along the lines of "I'd rather not say" and avoiding the question is similar. They will just say you are avoiding the question. When you mentiioned the pain in the butt I thought you was refering to me having to hear the same gender questions over and over again. I think you have to reread the posts again because I went back and found the two posts. So obviously you either missed them or you are lying.

I respectfully disagree, if you had said you'd rather not share your gender before the gapoc slip I don't think anybody would have said it was avoiding the question. But now with the possible scum slip it DOES look like you are avoiding the question. And could you kindly quote the two posts where you already cleared it up? Because apparently I'm not the only one who can't find them.

It looks like a war is brewing between DP and Stefunny. Unfortunately, I'm the one caught in the middle and could be killed soon. If I go and found to be town, there will be a lot of pressure on you DP because of the "sacrificing" thing. So DP you either have to change your positions on things or I hate to say it, work together to get rid of some scummy characters or go and have us both killed soon because Stefunny likes to see me killed next just to see your reaction.

While I do find DP to be scummy you have validated my vote against you to the point where it no longer has anything to do with DPs statement. I don't really see a war between me and DP because I'm getting the feeling that he agrees that the gapoc slip was real, so therefore I think he knows that I can't possibly be scum. DP I release you from your earlier statement, honestly lately I think I may have changed my opinion of you based on your last few posts.

Firstly Stefunny, no townie would want scenario 2. Out of the remaining 3, 1 seems best because town has 2 power roles. So, the worst (2) and the best (1), and thus I said: "I hope we're scenario 1, and not scenario 2..." Note I expressed a hope; I wasn't making a statement of fact, presumed or not. How could you not see that? One would imagine you're misrepresenting me and trying to taint me in the process by insinuating I know that there is a roleblocker. You're either not precise enough with your reading, clumsy at expression, or you are behaving like scum.

OR I'm trying to throw you off and see what your reaction is. Honestly I believe scenarios 3 and 4 are better considering I would rather have a power role and NO role blocker who could possibly stop them. The way you said it just seemed like it could be a possible slip up and I thought I'd explore it a little. I've seen slips like that win the game for town.

And can you please show me where I have avoided questions and answered them like an SE instead of a town member?

Sheesh, I get in trouble for not being like an SE and then I get in trouble for being too much of an SE.

[Stefunny]

Doros, I asked you to quote the two posts where you answered the question, you gave us post numbers but did not post them, so I'll go ahead and do that for you.

Unvote, Vote: Doros

For his/her last 3 posts.

(P.s. are you a guy or girl?)

There is nothing wrong with my last 3 posts. Didn't you read what Haylen said? She said she had a "serious asthma attack." This is real life not a game! In my other two posts, I was expressing my honest opinion. Duh, why do you want to know if I'm a boy or girl since we are just playing a mafia game? Unless, you are starting to get a crush on me.

DavidParker, are we having fun? Your HUGE case is just a lot of fluff. Duh, I am a newbie and everyone is unique. This is my first game and this is only Day 2 in a Newbie game. Sure I could do better, but I am learning new stuff all the time. I even posted the manipulation thing you did. I will get better over time. Isn't asking questions what newbies are supposed to do? My opinion is I think it is a good idea for us to do is go back and reread what gapoc has said before because he is the only one who actually knows who the other mafia is. The gender issue has already been discussed and is in some previous post. Thank you.

Please if

anyone

disagrees, please tell us, but I don't see an answer in the first post and the second post just points back to the first post. So...

Gotcha Stefunny!!! I did say in my own way I rather not share my gender before the gapoc slip. The gapoc slip occured in post 319. My first post is post 181 which is 138 posts ahead of gapoc's post!!! The second post is numbered 402 and refers to the earlier post. If anyone is looking for a he/she, you won't find it because I want to be gender neutral. Even though you may not like my reply, the gender question have been answered twice like I said. Stefunny made a false accusation against me and has been proven to be wrong and I'm right!!!

Is a bunch of bullcrap.

Plus saying that you don't think DP is town, but asking him to join forces with you to defeat me when there is only ONE scum left doesn't make ANY sense.

Mod

Can we get a vote count please? I believe both Doros and I are at L-1.

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I went back and attempted to count, I think I may just be at L-2, but I fail at counting, so a mod count would be appreciated.

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I think she was more implying that she had already responded to the issue, not necessarily telling her gender. Either way her joking about people having crushes on her does not count as her saying she'd rather not discuss it either.

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What does that have to do with anything VS?

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quick posted... I meant the beer comment.

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Putting it bluntly;

FUCKFUCKFUCKFUCKFUCK

I'm at a loss. Imma look back through yesterday to see if he hinted at anything.
WAIT A SECOND
/me remembers something suddenly

Vittorio softclaimed Doc all yesterday. Go check if you want. Methinks he was going to claim it last day and be like "I SOFTCLAIMED HURR DURR" and win.

VOTE: Vittorio

I would make a bigger post but dinner time

I didn't see a Vittorio Softclaim, but what of DP saying over and over he was sure Vittorio was town? Since he was cop maybe he really WAS sure of it. I think it's funny scum killed him though because he seemed to be the next suspect for everyone. I'm still not sure of Vittorio, I'm going to have to go back and look at DPs references to him, because I think they started D1 which he wouldn't have really known by then.

[Stefunny]

Okay, I have something to say.
Haylen, I really hope you don't take offense to this, because it is not a personal attack by any means, just how I feel.
I really hope you aren't scum Haylen. I don't

think

you are, but at this point I really am clueless. I'm a little frustrated with the lack of activity from the IC. You have the fewest posts of anybody left alive. I understand you may have gone through something traumatic, and you are V/LA on the weekends, but even during the week you have really not been active. I see that you come online and post in other threads and seem to ignore this one and it really irks me. Especially as an IC, where I feel like you are supposed to be an example of how the game is played to the newer players. I know everybody can't post all the time, but this game has been pretty active with no replacements other than those at the very beginning of the game. I almost wonder if you are scum and figure you can just glide through the game by not being active. I suppose this could be teaching the newbies one way of playing, but I'd really like to ask that you help everyone play the game. Perhaps you have taken on too much responsibility at this time? I understand the Newbie queue frequently needs Mods and ICs but is it worth it if you take on too much and can't fully participate in all of them? Whether you are town or scum I really hope I get to see your input into the game this week.

And I say this with the utmost respect.

[Stefunny]

First of all:
@ Haylen (see the space? ) Thank you for not taking what I said personally. I understand sometimes things drag you away from the game, and I appreciate your response.


I agree that Vittorio sure is acting scummy. At first I was starting to grow suspicious of Haylen, but I was unsure. The last few posts between the two of them made my mind up for me. Haylen's arguments made a lot of sense where Vittorios really seemed like they were stemmed from OMGUS. Vittorio is a very very good player in my opinion, but his last few posts seem like he is starting to get really defensive and nervous. Plus he seemed to alter my words to make it look like I was calling Haylen scummy, and as she pointed out I just said I was unsure, which was growing into a suspicion, but at the same time I believe he was using that to make it look like I had started a wagon on Haylen. Which if he was scum is exactly what he would want to happen. Convince everyone I was the one who began a wagon that turned up in a townie death.

I think it is pretty early in the day to lynch Vittorio, so I'm going to give it a few more days and see if anybody has any arguments.

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PLUS! I forgot to mention this...
D2 DavidParker would have had a chance to investigate someone. If you go back and read his posts during D2 he seems to FOS pretty much everyone except for Sxy. In fact during D2 he says

SxyBeast: Some genuine town-like posts

and tells Sxy that he has put her into a Newbie town category, he then questions votes on Sxy and seems to really really believe Sxy is town. I believe this is because that is who he investigated N1 and therefore knew Sxy wasn't scum, which kind of eliminates her, at least to me, for the time being.

[Stefunny]

If nobody else has any input I will be hammering tonight after work. Just giving everybody a chance to make any last minute arguments.

[Stefunny]

Last night I had some personal stuff go down. I apologize.
I do think Vittorio is our last scum though, I will be shocked if he flips otherwise and completely lost as to who might be scum.

Vote: Vittorio Salamdien

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I knew as soon as me and DP were dead that Haylen was scum, but I was dead....

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You don't need to take it so personally Vitt, it is a gaaammmeeeeee.
Also a newbie game, so everybody makes mistakes.