Newbie 1066 (Game Over!)

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Lynch mozamis

/jk

But yeah, at least we're all newbs so there won't be any grudge kills.

I'm not sure if this was intended as a vote or not, but you must use the word "vote" for it to count.
-Crazy

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Also, is that deadline correct?

March

12th

?
Or is that just for this first day?

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Sorry, I meant is that length of time the norm for phases?

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I'm just used to two day max phases I guess.

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Okay, it wasn't a Vote.

But yeah, I'm suspicious of bvoigt too.

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Vote: bvoigt

for voting me.

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1) How much experience do you have playing games on this site here?
- None. Noob.
2) Do you have experience playing this game outside of this site?
- A few games. Unfortunately some of the pros have a grudge against me because I attempted to link clues to people who I was suspicious of. Interestingly, 5 or so did turn out to be Mafia. Read my sig basically.

"RG, please answer my question from post #18."
Yeah, basically I didn't like the way you jumped on the first person who posted after I made a bit of a joke vote. Yeah, it's what Moza said, but it is the truth.
/inb4i'mscum

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@Nobody Special
1) Are you having fun yet?
Not really
2) Chocolate or vanilla?
Chocolate
3) How many Mafia games have you played (here or elsewhere)?
-This is my 5th
4) Lynch all Liars?
-Depends. A detective has good reason for lieing.
5) Math or Sports?
-Math
6) Lynch all Lurkers?
-Depends on how long they've been lurking.
7) What do you think of the RVS?
-It's terrible. Surely it would be better to start with a night stage?

@Maxous
I don't really care if I'm lynched early on tbh. It won't make much of a difference except for the total number of villagers. The sooner I complete the early games, the sonner I can move on to theme games.

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It's better to start off with a night phase so that you don't have to worry about randomly killing an innocent just to get through the phase quicker.

Also, on replacing me, I will be active and try to help the Village, it is just that it's better than lynching the doc, right? You don't want to end the first day phase to find that you've killed off one of the most important assets to the Village. Also, I signed up so that I can improve my clue-solving skills (there are clues, right?).

No clues. That's an

extremely

rare practice on this site.
-Crazy

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There...aren't...clues?

*Insert nooooo! compilation*

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I don't really understand how you can be anti-town in this stage...

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Well, when I find people are suspicious of me, I tend to lie low until it blows over. When I pop back in, I see who still harbours a grudge and do the following:
Unvote: bvoigt
Vote: Trendall

Give it a rest already.

I also disagree that the first person to vote is scum. It may be that they were merely browsing the site at the time the PMs were sent out. Also someone may be reminding the experienced players that they're a noob so that the players remember that and take their behaviour with a pinch of salt.

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Wow...you really went to a lot of effort to make that post.

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Yeah, my first post here was a joke. I thought it was obvious, but apparently not.

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Yeah, you wanted to see if anyone would jump on, which would either make them a negligent townie or scum.

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Perhaps he just really hates you? I know someone like that on a different forum. Every game, they'd target me, and I could never figure out why...

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@Maxous
I haven't really got a big suspect.
UNVOTE: bvoight

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72 hours fly by...

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See, if I hadn't checked back now, I'd be behind on posts again because the game seems to become more active at night. Therefore rereading through a mass of posts makes it hard to pick out who's scum, as you're tight on time.
I

really

hate this phase. At least if these games started with a Night Phase, PMs would have been sent and we could move on to solving a definite clue rather than second guessing who's scum and who's a suspicious townie.
@Vordak:
I'm usually very active in my other games. Which has led to my early death in each of them. Ergo a different approach.

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VOTE: Nobody Special
I am suspicious of this player. For an IC, surely they could be guiding us a bit more?

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Well if you lynch me, it would clear bvoigt. Going on the evidence provided by Vordark in this post. I hadn't really been interested in persecuting Mozamis, but I realised that it is possibl there is a more expereienced Mafian guiding Mozamis on what to post so that he can get away with killing villagers while getting to play innocent due to noobiness. Also, considering that he was the one who pushed for the NS lynch.

I may have provided the final vote, but I thought that we would have gotten a clue from whoever was killed, making it easier to find scum the next day. Ergo my eagerness to finish the first day phase when I saw that four people had already voted for NS.

VOTE: Mozamis

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As I said, I thought there would be a clue that we would be able to discuss upon the death of whoever. Unfortunately, I was wrong, and we are back to just attacking people based on their behaviour.

As for why it would clear bvoigt:

lets get rg lynched and the we'll deal with you scum

He clearly thinks that bvoigt and I are scum that are working together. For me to be revealed as village should clear bvoigt of Mosamis' accusations.

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I misread that.

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RG, it's already been mentioned by that quick vote, costing us a lot of discussion time was pretty scummy. I don't like it. can you confirm, the reason why you wanted the night phase so quick?

I misread that.

As "No clue is an extremely rare practice on this site." instead of "No clues. That's an extremely rare practice on this site".

So yeah, my fault and I do not look forward to trying to lynch on behaviour alone. The more experienced players should certainly know how to act like town even if they're scum.

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Won't be active again until next Sunday. Family stuff has come up.

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Role claiming time: Vanilla Townie. Best that I say that now.

This entire section here is huge WIFOM. The only people who know the reason the Mafia killed who they did is the Mafia. We can chase our tails for days and never get an actual answer as to why they took out bvoigt. As an example:

1. bvoigt was firm in wanting to lynch RG.
2. bvoigt was night-killed.
3. RG is Mafia.
4. The person most trying to stave off an RG lynch is TWIE
5. TWIE must be the second Mafia!

We can paint whatever picture we want to paint with WIFOM like that, so hypothesizing about why the scum killed one person and left another person around is useless.

Or the Mafia have let me live because they know that it won't take too much prodding from them to get a lynch on me going. I also do not see how trying to stave off a lynch on me so early into this phase makes them scum. Surely it makes more sense to think of it as the Mafia trying to set it up so that they have an easy win phase?

And I would have the hardest time believing there were no mafia on this wagon... you know, the one that picked up 3 votes in 2 hours.

I'd like to note that this was the wagon RG hammered.[/quote]
A mistake, as I have admitted, but would likely have been done by a townie anyway.

This is the case for RG as I see it:

1. He seemed really intent on getting Day One over quickly so we could get into the night phase. He claimed that this is because he was looking for "clues", but bvoigt already pointed out that this was a lie. RG was told, and acknowledged, there were no clues in this game well before he closed the deal on NS. Trying to end a day that early, and succeeding with a quick-lynch, is scummy.

I explained this already. I misread it as no clues is an extremely rare practice AFTER my post where I said "no clues, noooo!". Upon misreading the post from Crazy, I thought that it was a clue game again, and was therefore back to wanting the first night over and done with, to find the scum with solid links.

2. The afore-mentioned lie. "Lynch all liars" is a policy for a reason. I'm not 100% I have this policy myself, but deception doesn't make things easier on the town in any way and lying to justify a quick hammer is scummy.

See above.

3. He has done zero scum hunting all game. No where in his 25 posts has he put forth a case, provided any detailed reasoning for or against someone, questioned anyone, etc. I would expect at least some scum hunting from a townie in that time. This goes beyond simply lurking and crosses the line into scum territory.

*Insert noob card*
I have found from past experience that openly posting suspicions has been bad for me, leading to kills overnight and lynches. So, lose-lose in this scenario now. Re-reading the posts in an effort to catch up, you do strike me as a bit Mafian. You really created the huge anti-Mozamis case [understandable], and have been very active when it comes to targeting people.

4. His self-claimed strategy of dealing with suspicion against him is to clam up and wait until it blows over. This is scummy behavior, not simply anti-town. Lurking is anti-town, going to ground when you're being looked at is scummy.

5. This last lurk is terrible. He knew he was staring down the barrel of a lynch, threw a vote at Mozamis then went MIA for a week. Assuming it's true that he really did have RL stuff happening, he's apparently back now and wants to stay in the game. The longer we go without a real post for him, the worse this looks.

I'm sorry that I did not have instant access to a computer today.

I think he has appeared confused at times, but since that could be easily written off by him being new I haven't included it in the above. I

am

including the lie, because I do not believe any reasonable person can call that simply "confusion".

I guess I'm not being reasonable then?

Hmmm....There aren't 6 Vanilla Townies are there?

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Never mind, it is most likely that there are, unless someone wants to claim Doctor/Cop.

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Roleclaim Thian?

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Which would mean that there isn't a single useful pro-town role in the game. Ergo the difficulty in finding real scum.

@Maxous: I'd say Vordark is scum, but I don't know who his partner is. Of course he could be over-zealous as well.

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Over active a bit. Maybe I read through it too quickly and lost the sense of the game at the time of the posts, but it seemed like you were creating the argument and sort of blocking out other attempts to look at who may be scum.

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I wouldn't say being defensive is a scum trait on Day 3 considering we're in "lylo", and one wrong lynch can lose us the game. Therefore, the real townies don't want to be lynched as they know it is a certain loss for them, while the Mafia can take a hit.

@Vordark; more of the same. If it is better to post my suspicions, then I will do so.

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I think Vordark attempted to buddy with you because he was hoping for the RG lynch you mentioned.

Now we've got RG following along with the same exact reasoning TWIE put forward, calling me top of the scum list for, in his own words, putting forth an "understandable" case on Mozamis and being active in the thread trying to hunt scum.

I'm thinking RG and TWIE scumteam is seeming much more likely now.

I am certainly not part of any team.

I think that a better way to phrase it would be that when you think someone is scum, you set your sights for them, and aren't easily swayed.

New posts preventing posting is irritating...

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VOTE: Vote: Vordark

Think of what Thian just said. What player is certain as to who is who in a noob game?

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UNVOTE: Vordark

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"RG despite "not caring" if was lynched, purposely avoided the game in fear of being 'lynched or night killed'. Clear contradiction of his early attitude of it being better if he was killed rather than a doctor.
Noticeably he not received a single prod. Not once did he overstep the boundries of the game, I stated on day 1 I thought he was trying to pull a fast one and I still do. His hammering of NS looks opportunistic."
Early on, when I didn't know that this was an all VT game.
The hammer of NS was opportunistic of course. I was hoping that he would be scum, and just added my vote to the bandwagon that had formed.
I do not see the real difference between the finger of suspicion and a vote to be honest. Yeah, not official, etc, but you're still saying that you're essentially going to vote for x.

FoS: Thian

@TWIE:
What has changed is that we're in lylo, and one mistake costs us the game.

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...
I go to bed and I die. I wish I hadn't unvoted Vordark now...
But yeah, sorry for acting scummy. I should have claimed cop as well when I came back, it would have explained why I said what I did about bvoigt and got a proper lynch for Vordark and Thian...

Ah well, learn from mistakes, etc.