(While you may well not be mafia I'm just trying to get the discussion started)
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Evafreak, how can you justify putting somebody at L-1 after they have only made two posts containing little content. Fair enough, I voted for you, but that was only to spark disscussion, I wasn't putting you in any danger of getting lynched. therefore I am going to:
unvote, Vote:Evafreak
I see your action as potential scummy behaiviour as you have acted without any real evidence and may possibly be trying to get a quicklynch with the help of the other mafia. As I have outlined, page 1 is way too early for this sort of behaiviour and my conclusion is that you are acting scummily.-
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My vote is still squarly on Evafreak, as he put me at lynch-1 for no apparent reason and has not answered my questions as to why he did that (in other words, lurking). However, I am going to FOS: Mikeburnfire for pretty much the same reason as everyone else, that reason being that he is being shady and answering questions with irrelevant answers.-
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That being the case, why didn't you state your motive for voting when you voted, thereby saving yourself from all the suspicion that you have drawn to yourself by acting shadily. Even if youaretown, you are still going against our interests by acting shadily.
As a sidenote: Evafreak has not posted in over a week, even though he has been directly questioned about his answers. Very scummy-looking to me as lurking is a classic scumtell.-
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I was refering to you not giving your latter reason for voting for thekempo when you first voted for him. Why would you deliberately draw suspicion to yourself when you had a decent reason for voting that would have put you in the clear.Tyfo wrote:
I believe he's trying to ask you why you didn't give your latest explanation the first time around.mikeburnfire wrote:
Yes.You just said you voted for me because I was Mafia, now you're saying it's because I had no votes?
What?That being the case, why didn't you state your motive for voting when you voted, thereby saving yourself from all the suspicion that you have drawn to yourself by acting shadily.
To be honest, you are acting so scummily that I would consider changing my vote for you if it was not for the fact that Evafreak is acting even more suspiciously and has not posted in over a week.Moderator, I reccomend that Evafreak be prodded or replacedThere is also the fact that if I voted for you then you would be at Lynch-1, meaning that if you are just a fellow townie acting scummily then you could be speedlynched. which would be a bit of a downer as we are only on page two and need more time to discuss.
As a sidenote:Only cool poeple play Pokémon, don't get jealous.-
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While lurking certainly plays a part in it, it is mainly the fact that he put me at L-1 on page one after I had only made two posts. This to me seems very scummy as what townie would put somebody that had posted twice at L-1 and risk them getting quicklynched, which would cut off Townie discussion for the day.-
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Just to let you all know, I will be unavailable from December 24-26, due to spending christmas with my grandparents.
Before I go I am going to withdraw my vote from Evafreak but keep my FOS on Mikeburnfire.
UnvoteFOS:Mikeburnfire
FOS:Evafreak
As the game has progressed from when I initially placed my vote on him, I feel there is no longer any need to vote without a complete belief that somebody isdefinitelyguilty. While I still think he is suspicious, I am also to blame for jumping to conclusions. I am keeping my FOS on Mikeburnfire though because he has definitely been acting very scummily and, whether he is town or not, he is being a liability to the town with his irrelevant answers to questions.-
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Hello everyone - I am back from granny-land.sockpuppetmkay wrote:okay ive read up on all the stuff and i have meh 2 major candidated for scum
mikeburnfire- acting very suspicious. he wont give any real reasons and seems to be trying to slip out of the his vote which was a mistake for him.
CFK- this isn't OMGUS and CFK isnt super suspicious it's just that he's making a big deal out of something that was a noob mistake. i just want to say that evafreak was obviously not able to respond so i hope u drop your suspicions
The reason that I made a big thing out of it was mainly that I was angred to be put at L-1. This made me quite emotional in my attack on Evafreak, but I have abolished my vote on him so that is in the past now. I was also under the impression that he was the IC for this game as I had seen an IC with the same avatar and jumped to conclusions.
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You may just be saying that you were screwing around as cover for your mess-up earlier. To be honest, even if you are pro-town, you are not acting in the town's interest by behaving in this manner.mikeburnfire wrote:Defense of what? Being flaky and indifferent? I already told you that I was screwing around. How much clearer can I be?
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I agree, if you want to play in this game then actually contribute to it. At the moment, you are a liability to the town because we have no idea of how scummy you are, as you have posted so infrequently (that post was your first since the 15th of december). If you want to get a replacement then that's fine, otherwise please be a little more proactive in your posting.TrouserDemon wrote:Your lurking is suspicious.
FOS:thekempo
FOS:thekempo(for lurking)
My feelings on the phantom are mixed. I'm not sure if he is a mafia who has slipped up, or a townie who has just been a little aggressive in attacking somebody he thought was scum. For now, I'm going to FOS him, though it is by no means permanant, I just want to see what he has to say in his defense.
FOS: thephantom
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Well explain your feelings about Mikeburnfire's defense then and give us your opinion on thephantom, who is also in the limelight right now.thekempo wrote:Why? Nothing has gone on since I've made my vote, and I still believe my vote is right. I've got no reason to say anything, so I don't say anything.
Remember that there are2mafia in this game, so even if you are sure that Mikeburnfire is scum, you could still tell us who you think his parter is.-
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So what do you have to say to his argument that he was just screwing around?thekempo wrote:Oh right.
Well, I found it kinda strange how Mike voted for me for no reason, then when I asked him for his reason, he said it was a secret. After further probing, he said it was because I was Mafia. THEN, he changed his mind again and said it was because I didn't have a vote against me.
I don't see what thephantom has done to be put in the limelight. He called Mike on his behaviour 'n that doesn't seem all that bad to me.-
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Saying "I was screwing around" is not a very good excuse for acting so scummy in the first few pages. Even if you were "screwing around", it is not really in the interests of the town, is it?mikeburnfire wrote:Dammit. This happens in literally ALL of my newbie games. I screw around for a few pages and end up getting lynched because newbies can't find anything else suspicious. You'd think I'd have learned by now.
I still say that thephantom is scum, for what it's worth.
As to the phantom, I'm not sure whether he is scum or not. While he has used some logical fallacies, I can't help wondering if he just mis-phrased what he wanted to say, as he has otherwise been very pro-town.
This post in particular I found very pro-town. He even invites us to question him and be pro-active, things that a scum would definitely not want. While I am going to FOS him, it is only a minor one and I'm not even sure if he deserves that.In response to CFK, I have often been in a game where the townies stay on the defensive and the scum pick all the fights, and I have seen that end in a Mafia win most times. On the other side when the town searches out all the scum and attacks them, the town usually ends up finding the mafia. I have nothing to hide, I am not scum, check all my posts and ask about anything that I have said and I will be more than happy to elaborate on your question.
For those that might be wondering, my computer crashed about four days ago and I have finally gotten it back up and running.
Major FOS: Mikeburnfire
Minor FOS: thephantom-
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The reason that I was supporting your lynch without voting for you is simply because it would have put you at L-1.CFK has been a bit wishy-washy, supporting my lynch without actually being a part of it, and trying to look like he's suspicious of thephantom when he obviously isn't.
You know what kind of person puts somebody at L-1 within the first five pages?
Mafia.youeven said that it was not wise to put somebody at L-1 this early so I don't see how you can try and blame me for not voting. Even if you are scum (which I think is likely), I would rather wait until we have fully discussed the issue before making any hasty moves. They say that short days hurt the town and this is certainly true in our game.
On the issue of thephantom, I initially thought that he was quite scummy, due to the falacies which you pointed out, but by post #101 I wasn't so sure, and by post #111 I thought that he probably wasn't but I gave minor FOS simply because of his falacies. At this point in time, I am slightly suspicious of him because of this post, which as you pointed out, makes no sense.
You are still my number one suspect to be mafia though.I will make a promise right now that if you are not scum and I have made a mistake I will be the first person to vote for my lynch tomorrow if I manage to survive the night.-
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I have to admit that sockpuppet has not been very pro-active in this game, but neither has tyfo.
If mikeburnfire is innocent, then I think the phantom is probably scum. I can't really see them as scumpartners as they have been so agressive that they risked lynching the other person, something that mafia would not find beneficial. On the other hand, they have both said some scummy-sounding things at one point or another, so one of them is probably scum.I just think that we have to consider the possibility that mikeburnfire is innocent, and we need to decide as a group our plan of action in that eventuality.
Obviously, if we do lynch a townie then I will not vote for somebody straight away, this is just what I think at this point in time.-
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I would like to see what sockpuppet would have to say in his defense. He hasn't exactly been very pro-active in this game, and though neither was tyfo, at least tyfo has explained why. Admittedly, he will be unable to explain Evafreak's actions, but at least he can explain his own lack of posting.
At the moment, I don't find him suspicious enough to warrant a vote but I'll FoS him. There is also the matter of the possibility of him being scumpartners with thephantom, as mikeburnfire pointed out.
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While being pro-active is certainly a good thing for a townie to be, it would be nice if you could be a little less personalall of you.
Posted by Trouserdemon:
I fail to see how when they contradict each other.Both of those statements are true, and I don't see how something like that makes him scum.
To be honest, even if mikeburnfire is suspicious, then lets at least talk about the other players, such as sockpuppetmkay, before we lynch anyone. even if we decide to lynch mike eventually, I would rather that we did so knowing who else may well also be scum. Otherwise, we will go into day 2 without a clue.-
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I'm probably missing something here but what were these "bad materials" exactly?along with the other bad materials
I would also like to see what you have to say about your alleged link with thephantom which a few players have pointed out.
This is slightly irrelevant, but could you talk in standerd english rather than "txt tlk" It does not take much longer to type and makes it a lot easier to read.-
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I do find it slightly suspicious that sockpuppet blamed thekempo for focusing on him but I am still finding thephantom suspicious as well for the evidence that has already been pointed out.
Trouserdemon is seeming fairly suspicious as well, and these posts particulary confuse me:
[quote[mikeburnfire]And yes, I am still pretty intent on getting you lynched. My biggest beef with you has to do with your complete reversal from "Wacky posts on the front page are fine" to "Wacky posts on the front page are scum trying to confuse the town".[/quote]
mikeburnfire says this but trouserdemon responds with:
[quote[touserdemon]Both of those statements are true, and I don't see how something like that makes him scum.[/quote]
How can both statements be true, they completely contadict each other. I questioned him about this earlier and he failed to reply.-
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This is neither here nor there and could be interpreted as an appeal to fear. I'm going to put you at L-1 thephantom, and we'll see what you have to say in your defense. True, everybody is going to jump on me because the third vote scumtell is the oldest in the book, but I think it is worth it even if I am jumped on as a consequence because at this moment in time we are just going round in circles and at least this way we'll actually get somewhere because he'll be forced to say something in his defense.You know what, vote for me then, if you think that I am scum then get rid of me. Practice what you preach, if you think I am scum then do it, lynch me. My point is that I am not scum and if I was I certainly wouldn't be advocating that, I would be posting in depth explanations of my actions much like mike but I am not doing that. Lynch me if you want but I promise you that I am not scum. If you don't believe me lynch me and find out what I am but you would be lynching an innocent person.
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This is a terrible answer. Surely if you were town it would be in your interest to defend yourself, because if you get lynched it cripples the town's chance of winning. It also contradicts this:I am not going to defend my actions because I am not scum.
Here you are saying that you would be happy to explain your actions at any time.I have nothing to hide, I am not scum, check all my posts and ask about anything that I have said and I will be more than happy to elaborate on your question.
What sort of townie asks to be lynched? He also only mentions mikeburnfire when thekempo and myself are also voting for him.Vote for me Tyfo, Im not appealing to fear, Im not scum but if you want to go along with mike then get rid of me.
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There are currently 6 players left alive. 2 of these are mafia. If we lynch another townie today then they will nightkill another and we'll be down to 4 players, which will equal a townie loss. Prehaps they knew this and decided to leave 6 players in the game. With another player still alive, they will have more chance to lynch an innocent if everybody acts equally suspiciously. They KNOW there is no doctor left so they are certain that if towniis lynched today, they will win. Bearing this in mind, I would urge everyone not to vote until we have made a group descision, because if two townies vote for somebody, the mafia can speedylynch.Tyfo wrote:I'm curious as to why no-one was killed. We KNOW we don't have a doctor anymore, and we have no roleblocker, so it seems odd to not kill someone.
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This to me seems a little hasty. We've started a new day and all you do is charge straight into a vote without discussing it with the other members of the game first or even giving really good reasoning. By all means FOS him or give a strong argument on why you voted, but for somebody to be throwing votes around this early on day two is plain scummy.TrouserDemon wrote:Well, my suspicions for mikeburnfire are reignited.
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I have explained my reasons for voting Evafreak, the main one being that he put me at L-1 after I had made two posts. Fair enough about the FOSing, I am easily persuaded. On the voting side of things, I prefer not to rush in to votintg somebody unless I'm fairly sure they are scum. At the point in the game where I voted for thephantom, everybody was pretty sure that he was scum for a good reason. He had been acting scummily, and I wasn't just following the crowd, I was following him because he looked like scum.However, if you check his voting record, you'll see that the only person he voted besides thephantom was Evafreak, and that was when it was opportune. Afterall, we can't argue that putting somebody at L-1 is scummy. Other than that, he's FOS'd everybody except TD and Tyfo, but they were never really under the magnifying glass. This leads me to believe he is scum, playing it cautious and only voting somebody when they look so bad that it would be suspicious NOT to vote.
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Sorry about my recent lack of posting, i've been very busy.
It goes without saying that either mikeburnfire or trousersemon is scum. That means that either tyfo, sockpuppet or thekempo is their scumbuddy. I'm seeing thekempo as being the most likely scumbuddy, especially if mbf is scum.
He says this and votes for trouserdemon.^ Cool.
Vote: TrouserDemon
He claims he made the vote because he didn't know you could make a false claim, but I have my suspicions.
What I find even more scummy is this post:
I can't think of a more convenient way of making sure the real cop can be nightkilled (if mbf is lying) whilst protecting my scummate. Basicly,if mbf is lying, the cop is forced to come out. The cop knows that if mbf is lying then he is scum so he will not want toIf Mike's not the cop, then the real cop should come forward. If no one claims that they're the cop, then Mike will obviously be the cop, as letting a Mafia member claim that their town would be bad for the town.
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Trouserdemon, that would be a very stupid thing to do, on the account you would probably be modkilled.
I'm going to have to agree with this, the more the scum are forced to post, the more likely they'll slip up. However, I can understand trouserdemon's reasons for voting. If mikeburnfireI don't think we should rush the voting. While it's not clear who the Mafia members are at the moment, I'm sure more evidence will appear the longer the game goes on.islying, then it makes perfect sense for trouserdemon to vote for him.-
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I can understand that mikeburnfire might have had to claim to keep everybody else off his back, but he should definitely keep his arguments based in this game, not another - thank you tyfo for that point!
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I'll have to disagree with you there. If trouserdemonsockpuppet wrote:not night killing is smart and trouser (no insult intended) seems too single minded.isinnocent, then he knows that MBF is scum, so he has no reason not to vote for him. I think he may be a little smarter than he lets on.
I fail to see where you are coming from here. Are you implying that if somebody has no knowledge of the rules, they are less likely to be scum?sockpuppet wrote:thekempo seems like he might be smart enough. of course thekempo claims not to have knowledge of the rules so he might be innocent.
I think that thekempo is more likely to be the scumbuddy of mikeburnfire,
rather than Trouserdemon.
He votes for trouserdemon here without providing any reason of his own, in short he just follows mikeburnfire.thekempo wrote:^ Cool.
Vote: TrouserDemon
After people question his thinking, he uses this as a copout. He could genuinely not know the rules, but I believe that not to be the case.thekempo wrote:Wait, you can make unfounded claims? Oh, I didn't know that. I thought you had to be telling the truth if you were to claim you were a cop.
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I don't really agree with the reasoning of this post. Even if Sockpuppet is mafia, what's to say that he will not distance himself from his own scumbuddy.thekempo wrote:When I asked Sockpuppet who he thought was scum out of Mike and Trouser, I said to myself "whoever he says is scum, the opposite of what he says will be true". He said TrouserDemon, so I think it's Mike who's Mafia.-
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Might not an intelligent player, act in an unintelligent fashion, to create a false image of his/herself?thekempo wrote:I don't think Sockpuppet is a very intelligent player. He seems to just point the finger at whoever and merge into the crowd. I think he's Mafia, and I think he said TrouserDemon was more likely Mafia to protect Mike.-
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So basicly, you are saying that not knowing the rules makes somebody innocent. I fail to see how this works.sockpuppet wrote:i'm implying that if thekempo did not genuinly know the rules about night killing and such he must not be mafia
I have little tolerance for people who can't be bothered to check the rules. You wouldn't play a game of chess without knowing the rules, so why is a game of mafia any different?thekempo wrote:I already told you I didn't know that particular rule. The fact that no one got night killed on the first night threw me off.
Logical falcacy, attack the person(https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?ti ... the_Person)sockpuppet wrote:you're ugly-
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To be honest, the only way we'll find out if Mikeburnfire or Trouserdemon is scum is by lynching one of them. Several players have brought up the issue of Mikeburnfire's claim being pointless, but I feel that there is nothing wrong with claiming earlier on. This is because a claim is a lot less believeable if you make it later in the game, because people may think you are only claiming to get people off their back. Having said that, I am stil going to :
Vote(hammer): Mikeburnfire
You were scummy on day one and the only thing that kept you alive today was your claim. Not only did you claim, you kept on using it as an argument from repitition (as tyfo pointed out). It was also a very handy "coincidence" that trouserdemon, who had had you marked down as scum from day 1 turned out to be scum.
This also makes me feel that you are scum:
This is basicly a thinly veiled attempt to draw the cop out. Thekempo tried to do this earlier, so you can not use innocence as your excuse. What a great way to take the cop down with you.mikeburnfire wrote:But the fact remains that I am uncontested, and that should be enough to convince you that I'm telling truth.-
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Right now I'm getting a fairly pro-town vibe from tyfo, although I wish he would say a bit more. Sockpuppet may have been the only one not behind mikeburnfire's lynch, but right now my main suspect is thekempo.
thekempo wrote:Why did you vote for me?Mikeburnfire wrote:It's a secret.
This is where it all started off, with an attempt to distance yourselves.thekempo wrote:COS YOU'RE MAFIA
OMG HE'S MAFIA!
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later you change to this standpoint:
You say this after he posted the defense of himself:thekempo wrote:I just find mike's behaviour kinda strange. It doesn't help if he's Mafia, it doesn't help if he's town.
Maybe he either:
A) Was legitimately screwing around, 'n is now trying to redeem himself by what he's been saying lately,
or B) Screwing around on purpose, so that when we called him on it, he makes us question the logic of doing what he's doing, therefore stopping himself being lynched.
It's a tough one, for now though, my vote still stays firmly on him.
You seem to be quite quick to change your mind here, not even questionning him on any of his points.thekempo wrote:^ Pretty good defense. Unvote for the moment.
This is neither here nor there, in facrt it is a logical fallacy (attack the person)thekempo wrote:You're an ass. Seriously.
I'm not sure whether you're town or mafia, but no wonder people take a dislike to you when you act like such a douche.
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thekempo wrote:Mike didn't randomly vote me, you're misinformed on that.
The above quotes are from the same posts and are contradictory, notice how he is defending mikeburnfire.thekempo wrote:He voted for me without any reason
You really started thephantom's bandwagon rolling here, while it was the 2nd vote, mikeburnfire had been voting him for a while, so yours was the first "new" vote. He turned out to be the doctor.thekempo, about thephantom's post wrote:Gladly. This is the final bit of convincing I need.
Vote = thephantom
You start day 2 by attacking mikeburnfire, it would have been suspicious not to.thekempo wrote:I'm curious as to why Mike was pushing him as Mafia so hard at the start even though he wasn't all that suspicious.
So, why was that Mike?
This was in his analisis post, in fact you were the only one that he though was pro-town.mikeburnfire, about thekempo wrote:I get good vibes from him.
So after mike's analisis, you basically just join the trouserdemon wagon. No reasoning of your own, you were just following mikeburnfire.Thekempo wrote:^ Cool.
Vote: TrouserDemon
After people start questionning your desicision, you try to cop out with this. I find it highly unlikely you were telling the truth as the whole point of mafia is that you can lie.thekempo wrote:Wait, you can make unfounded claims? Oh, I didn't know that. I thought you had to be telling the truth if you were to claim you were a cop.
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thekempo wrote:If Mike's not the cop, then the real cop should come forward. If no one claims that they're the cop, then Mike will obviously be the cop, as letting a Mafia member claim that their town would be bad for the town.
So, if you're the cop, come forward.
Trying to draw the cop out were we?
After this comes the whole issue about you not reading the rules. I don't know whether you did read them or not, but you defineitly should have done.
After you realize that mikeburnfire is probably gonna get lynched, you vote for him and give this reason:
This is one of the worst reasons I can think of for voting somebody.thekmepo wrote:When I asked Sockpuppet who he thought was scum out of Mike and Trouser, I said to myself "whoever he says is scum, the opposite of what he says will be true". He said TrouserDemon, so I think it's Mike who's Mafia.
And that brings us up to now, Ithinkthat thekempo is the second scum, but I may just be trying to see links where there aren't any.
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Just noticed this. You suggest here that either you or thekempo is scum. If you are pro-town, why would you put yourself forward as a candidate to be scum.sockpuppetmkay wrote:it seems like its between thekempo and me unless some1 has something on CFK. if no one does then the neutral parties should find the flaws with me and thekempo and will work off that-
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