Blitz 8: U-Pick Villians - game over

[Persivul]

VOTE: firebringer
policy vote until he contributes

[Persivul]

Context pls

All he does lately is active lurk. It hurts towns, but it helps him with his scum game because his town meta shows no scum hunting, so he doesn't need to act like he's hunting when he's scum. I've called him out for it recently and he's pissed about it.

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duuuuuh nuh
duuuuuh nuh
dun duh dun duh duh duh
dun duh dun duh duh duh

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@FB: If you're town, you should scum hunt. If you don't, I'll take it as scummy. If other people are dumb enough to let you off because that's your town meta, I'll bitch about it, because that's an anti-town strategy.

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I'm not the only person to say your ISOs are all fluff, and you know that.

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so if were gonna faph around we might as well partially flavorclaim..

I gave a hint on p1.

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No.

youre boring.

Get used to it.

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Ahhh I was ambiguous. No. From their (fb x persival) exchange it sounds like someone is a sore loser. I am dissapointed that that was all their was to the shots fired from persival.

Not on my part. In our last completed game, he was town and I was scum, and scum had a perfect win. I love having him around as scum. But when you're town, he's a liability regardless of alignment. Further, if my suspicion is correct that he intentionally plays this way to help his scum game, it's IMO unethical.

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why is this a thing.
lol.
persivul do you really think if firebringer is town or scum youre going to be able to sort him via this strategy?
if hes scum, he can just lurk under the excuse of being offended or fake content via dumb argument with you.

That would be a noticeable change from his meta, so yes, I think that would help sort him out.

if hes town hes going to be demotivated by you calling him shit.

He doesn't do anything useful anyway, so nothing would be lost.

vote yakko pls.

Why?

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Quick question as this is one of my first of this game type. Do scum have a reason to mislead the flavor of their role or since the alignment isn't character dependent they would rather have their role claim be believed?

I don't see that there's anything significant to flavor. We know we're all villains. I imagine farside had the roles made, assigned them randomly, then chose the character from the 3 submitted that was easiest to fit to the role.

It would be fun to speak in flavor to some extent...but my villain doesn't speak.

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we are talking about fire now?

I was, responding to a question, but that's it on that issue from me.

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I WILL GET YOU MY PRETTIES AND YOUR LITTLE DOG TOO

I submitted that one too. Figured I wasn't the only one.

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As to your hard stance against FB in you last completed game you referred to did you already have this hatred for each other or is that the game where it started?

No, I loved him in that game. Can't say more about it.

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@ persy

fire is very young and can we not pl can we lynch scum instead

It was just a p1 vote you know.

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http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=110&t=64076

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As to your hard stance against FB in you last completed game you referred to did you already have this hatred for each other or is that the game where it started?

No, I loved him in that game. Can't say more about it.

So your saying in between that game and this you all of sudden hate his play...

Follow along. I think his play is bad for town. I loved him in that game because I was scum in that game, and so I loved anti-town play.

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honestly if we had to lycnh between them i would do persy first mostly cus fire does scumhunt and that him jsut insulting his pla like that does nothing

Show me his scum hunting in that game. They didn't get any of us.

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Yes, I understand basically I want to know if that game was the only game you've played with him before this or if his play has butted heads with yours before.

Read between the lines. When I earlier said "Can't say more about it," that means an ongoing game is involved.

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quote me his entire iso and i can do it

I already linked the game, and you know how to do an ISO.

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btw if fire had to be nk by you guys it prob means he was onto somethin in his scum hunting so.....

pedit: i know but im lazy i already followed the game once im not gonna do it again, you have the burden to disprovve me with his iso that none of his post are scum hunting

You're taking hyperbole or generalization way too literally. Yes, out of 125 posts you can find a few that are scum hunting, but it's a very low percentage.

It's odd that others wanted this argument to end, but you want to perpetuate it. Why?

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btw if fire had to be nk by you guys it prob means he was onto somethin in his scum hunting so.....

He wasn't killed until N3, and here's what was said:

Ocean: "By the way, if I'm lynched

Firebringer will trust the word of dead players so he'll sheep ETL with his votes

. Be aware of that."

Me: "

FB doesn't say much of consequence

. He has voted Ocean multiple times. Other than that he's given weak scum indications on Marge, me, and Blocky (but not pornhawk). If he made any mention of Ranger I missed it.

FB seems like more of a wildcard

."

Ranger: "I lean towards Flubber,

with a block on Firebringer

. We know there's still one more PR out there."

So, no, we didn't kill him for his scum hunting abilities.

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im not, i said fire can scum hunt and then you said "well no he cant" so you are the one who furthered it

Yeah, you saying he can scum hunt had nothing to do with furthering it.

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OK, I'll ignore you on this issue going forward.

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I was trying to figure out why Percy wanted to PL Fire so bad

I put a p1 vote on him and answered questions about it. I didn't ask anyone to follow me. You have a bit of a micharacterization by saying I want to PL him so bad.

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I really really want to replace out right now.
I can't stand persivul, his calling my whole game lack of scumhunting, Ika points out I am a NK and he explains it away using some bullsiht.

I shouldn't have brought that into this game. I apologize and won't discuss it further even if asked.

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CAN I PLZ HAVE 1 STRONG TOWN READ PRETTY PLZ WITH SUGAR ON TOP. TY.

pignash - it's obvious from his first post. He's new, and newbscum would have been quite happy with the me v. FB argument. No way he would have defended me there. 227 and 239 read genuine to me.

I'm leaning town on ika due to meta. In Dating Game he was scum, was lynched on D2, and only had 25 posts in the entire game (and that game had a secondary day phase). ZZZX called that as his scum game. In this game he has almost double that already.

On the scummy side:

Aronis's entrance was bad: 278 - complaining about "bad man" and spelling of his name (seriously); 287 - joining a safe position that was already out there; 297 - concerned about early D1 votes on himself; 300 - pad postcount with "Pagetop"; 315 - proclaims himself town.

Xtox's entrance was bad, but from his join date and post count I take it he's old guard, and old guard like to play like that - i.e. consider themselves above needing to do obvtown stuff early on.

I don't like that FB and yakko still have votes on pignash.

UNVOTE: Firebringer
VOTE: Aronis

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farside: last VC has xtox on both ika and yakko

fixed

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@peri
I dont know, I associate this redoubled amount of activity as odd. Im more in the camp the filthy Hippie is in.

Are there specific posts that concern you, or just the quantity relative to his usual output?

This pinged me:
108 - "this is going to be a very off game for me i can tell now"
as possibly setting up an excuse for bad pushes, but unless/until the bad pushes come it's not much to go on.

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1) Gorkington - if he's scum he's doing a good job of fake towning

That's an interesting way of putting it.

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You're voting based on dreams? Seriously? And didn't you ask someone in the game to call you about the dream, which you couldn't discuss with them if it were truly game related.

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also i am cleaning my room, will you be around in a bit i was gonna call and tell you a weird dream i had

Was this a different weird dream or the same one?

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You're voting based on dreams? Seriously? And didn't you ask someone in the game to call you about the dream, which you couldn't discuss with them if it were truly game related.

also i am cleaning my room, will you be around in a bit i was gonna call and tell you a weird dream i had

Was this a different weird dream or the same one?

you naive poor little fool, read the post that you quoted again. then look at the timestamps of the posts. you should be able to deduct that they are not the same then.

anwyas

VOTE: percival

Quite an overreaction to a top of my head question. You could have simply said they were different. Why so defensive?

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I didn't like xtoxm's last two votes in the thread. It left a bad taste in my mouth.

He only had two votes. One was his first post and unexplained, so presumably RVS for him, although he came into the game later. Then he said he wanted someone to vote him so he could OMGUS them, and ika obliged. What exactly don't you like about those? People do play around a little on entrance to a game.

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you just said that you thought that gork and I were scum. what magically happened in the space between you saying that and then a post later vote persy?

I asked about his dreams. But that had nothing to do with it. His vote on me was independent of that and he was about to make it anyway.

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you just said that you thought that gork and I were scum. what magically happened in the space between you saying that and then a post later vote persy?

I asked about his dreams. But that had nothing to do with it. His vote on me was independent of that and he was about to make it anyway.

how about you let ika answer for himself?

fos the shit out of this.

That's a really bad fos. It's not like I'm an uninvolved third party giving ika an excuse that he's likely to adopt. That kind of answering for someone is suspicious, but that's not at all what I did. He clearly still needs to answer despite my comment.

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Dumb question: What exactly is casting or throwing shade?

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Dumb question: What exactly is casting or throwing shade?

Here you go.

From the first result:

"Throwing Shade is typically a term gay men use."

Explains why I didn't know it.

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No real strong reads either way

Would be okay lynching

ika
xtoxm
persi
periguine falcon

maaaybe

rogue.

All people who have posted within the last 3 hours. Coincidence, or laziness?

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No real strong reads either way

Would be okay lynching

ika
xtoxm
persi
periguine falcon

maaaybe

rogue.

All people who have posted within the last 3 hours. Coincidence, or laziness?

what you think

Laziness, and not just from pisskop. It's something I've noticed about D1 in general.

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I'm padding my postcount by making one, not 5 or 10, 1 pagetop post?

Out of five points I made on you, you respond to only one, and the weakest at that. You're burying yourself deeper.

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im not acting as if hes town?im askign him why he even ask such question if he doesnt answer it. its a fillery question that has not motive or reason behind it. if he answered first and then explain the reason behind it it could give me more insight.

Do you not understand the concept of a rhetorical question? If I thought it were just coincidence, I wouldn't have brought it up at all.

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persivul youre supposed to prod at the fact that i havent given reasoning for you being scum.

;D

I assume if you had decent reasoning you'd have given it without my asking. Also, there's an awful lot of reads being given without any reasoning. Your read on me doesn't particularly stand out.

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I read it like I read the angst scenes from the Twilight novels.

alone in the dark without clothes on?

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persy plz don't be eww too.

What's eww? For instance, if I said I had to go bang Mrs. P from behind and I'd be back in ten minutes, would that be eww?

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So who is hippy love?

I believe it's hiplop and mollie.

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i made it clear with others why hes prob scum

We apparently have very different understandings of the word "clear."

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Alright. Let's do this your way

I made a comment about the spelling of my name. How is that scummy? Bc while it may not be exceptionally protown, I fail to see how there is scum motivation behind wanting my name to be spelled properly.

It's active lurking - posting without generating information or pressure - and yes, that's scummy.

Thank you for reminding me I forgot to vote you.
VOTE: Persivul
And just bc other people agreed with me doesn't make the point any less valid.

It makes the point less risky, and desire to avoid risk is generally considered a scum tell.

I'm concerned about votes on me? How ridiculous, why would any1 not openly sacrifice themself to be lynched. I should surely be lynched for not wanting to die.

There's no reason for town to be concerned about a single vote early on D1. Scum OTOH tend to be much more conscious of the votes on them.

And you haven't explained your dislike of my pagetop. Maybe that's because you like any legitimate reasons and were hoping to get away with bs reasons for voting me? nice try.

It's part of an ISO which is entirely devoid of content.

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the problem isnt that shes voting someone low content.
the problem is that shes voting someone low content, not pushing it/convincing other people to get on board and also not asking questions @xtoxm until prodded about it.
but sure lets be reductive!

Is this a scum tell for her in particular based on meta, or do you tend to scum read anyone who isn't as aggressive as you are on D1? If the latter, what makes her stand out? Bloodking and PV are voting xtox as well (and not inundating him with questions), and they're two of my townier reads. Do you scum read them?

BTW bloodking, hats off to you for making calm and rational posts in the middle of that shitstorm last night. I wasn't on for most of it, but if I were I wouldn't have had the balls to get involved.

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@blood - why are you voting xtox? Is it more than inactivity?

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Cool, I've been thinking I need to change my vote since aronis never took off but none of the wagons were grabbing me.

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Rlly rlly rlly obv scum:
Persivul

Can you you explain this, it's not so obvious to me?

His reasons for voting me are rlly fake and stupid. He's grasping for straws to try and justify his scum motivated push on me.

Your posts are almost all fluff. You only get serious when under pressure. You haven't done any scum hunting. You deny that fluffy posting and safe positions are scummy traits. You proclaim yourself town multiple times.

All you've done is post fluff and defend. You're classic scum. Point to 5 scum hunting posts you've made and I'll unvote you.

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@gork what do you make of this Aronis wagon?

@gork what do you make of this Aronis wagon?

better idea, why dont you tell us what

you

think of the wagon instead of faphterbating to gorking

I have a reason for asking him.

And my opinion of it is I don't care for the composition and the willingness of so many people that quick I feel scum are involved in the building of this wagon.

Ya i think there is definitily scum on that wagon and I'm not liking thr pisskop and pignash votes from that wagon.

I didn't even make it into Hippy's reads.

I'm down for an Aronis lynch.

VOTE: Aronis

Your one to talk about pushing a wagon, all your doing is going along for the ride. Are you just down for the lynch or do actually dislike his play and want it to happen.

All you're talking about regarding aronis is the

wagon

. You're not saying much if anything about aronis himself. Can you give a review of his ISO? Maybe the wagon's forming quickly because now that ika/hippy/rogue/glork aren't completely dominating the discussion people are seeing aronis for the obvscum that he is. You may find that you're overthinking things.

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I'm fine with pignash/rogue/aronis/persy

we just need to decide which one.

wagons go fast near deadline

that's how it goes. but okay. Ill concede. lets get pignash

VOTE: pignash

everyone, vote pignash.

You say you're fine with an aronis lynch. You note that we're getting near deadline. Aronis has the biggest wagon. Yet, you vote pignash.

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You're defending your read on me. So are you now scumreading yourself?

No, as I've also done scum hunting, as evidenced by this wagon. You haven't.

Fluff posting is not inherently scummy.

Fluff posting is fine when it's interspersed with scum hunting. Yours isn't.

I've made it pretty damn clear that I think you're scum and that hippy love is scum.

With me you're defending. With hippy you haven't built a case, you just made a reads list because you're under pressure and were specifically asked to do so.

Am I supposed to proclaim myself scum now? Unlike you, I am town. And I'm gonna proclam the truth all I want tyvm.

People who are actually doing town things don't need to proclaim themselves as town.

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Pignash is pretty obvious newbtown, which means he's easy to spin as newbscum by lazy town, or by scared town more concerned with their personal survival than with catching scum. If he gets lynched and flips town, people will shrug their shoulders and we'll get nothing out of it.

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Ya, his content is completely null to me right now, but because of the wagon buildup I lean slightly town.

but yes I suppose I can look over his iso first.

Yeah, that would be nice if you read his ISO rather than just reading him based on the speed of his wagon.

You're suspicious of pignash and pisskop for jumping on the aronis wagon. I'm suspicious of hippy for jumping off it. We'll get much better information from an aronis flip than a pignash flip.

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Regarding logistics: there's 24 hours left in phase, the highest wagon is only L-3, and in the US this is the biggest travel day of the year. Some people might not be around.

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I was willing to grant you the first 4 , but by the 5th one I had to iso you.

It's pretty crap.

You said it best

And it's not like I've posted any content

.

Thoughts?

What are your current thoughts on aronis - is that a wagon you can join?

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Pignash is pretty obvious newbtown, which means he's easy to spin as newbscum by lazy town, or by scared town more concerned with their personal survival than with catching scum. If he gets lynched and flips town, people will shrug their shoulders and we'll get nothing out of it.

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I've ic'd like 100 games and know how to read newbies

I guess so, considering you scum read pignash after he made a grand total of one post.

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yea. And just watch me be right.

I hope so.

and just watch you desperately flail your arms and try to keep your partner alive.

No flailing. My earlier complaint was that a pignash lynch wouldn't provide much information. But, now that you've tied yourself to it (and also aronis, with blatant coaching in 861), a pignash green flip would be much more substantial. In fact, I'll join the wagon myself if I don't get some support on aronis.

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Honestly it's just funny at this point how often I'm read as scummy.

VOTE: Percival

Buddying/White knighting me and then offering to jump on my wagon.

It makes perfect sense with moves like this.

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Is what I'm saying untrue?

Did you not get that the last statement was meant to taunt/pressure hippy? Do you not see me actively trying to build the aronis wagon?

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Seemed sincere to me.

Not as sincere as your actual vote on me, after buddying and white knighting me. But if you want sincerity:

UNVOTE:
VOTE: pignash

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And yes, that's OMGUS.

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That's only L-3. But don't worry, aronis and hippy will join you on me shortly. I'm beginning to think that ika was right about scum having daytalk and this is all a setup.

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FWIW, scum kidnapper is similar to town interrogator and could easily mimic it. I doubt that's the case here but it's possible.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: aronis