Blitz 16: Blitz Greatest Idea Mafia(GAME OVER)

[lane0168]

VOTE: RC
I'm gonna think scum at some point.

VOTE: RC

Agreed. I'll start the tunnel now to get it out of the way.

I see people claiming their modifiers... are there certain ones we should claim and not claim?

[lane0168]

Roger. I'll just claim anyways. I got a neighbor modifier, but my role pm didnt specify any neighbors. So I guess I get to talk to the bottle whiskey and the voices in my head

[lane0168]

@mod, I didn't see a link in my pms for the game or that it started. I was smart enough to check the blitz board as others were, but since may be waiting for a link and game start pm

Or maybe they aren't, and everyone is smart. Idk

[lane0168]

Mental note that 2 people have modifiers to negate investigative. Anyone else?

At persivul, if you claim your modifier, does it hurt town? Because if not claiming had the potential to hurt town, and claiming doesn't, I'm wondering why you didn't just claim it

[lane0168]

I almost picked vanilla townie. Not picking one shot cult leader was easy

[lane0168]

Jailkeeper
One shot coroner
Tourist

Picked jailkeeper

Glad other people read the new rules with the cult. I probably would've thought the same thing as him if I didn't get cult. However, I would've fact checked as I believe most would have.

[lane0168]

So I'm coming here to do two things.
First off, claim my modifier; I received miller, so I will investigate as guilty to cops.

Second off, to make a request:

I want everyone to list the cards they got on the first draw, along with what their decision from those cards was.

I will read the thread when I get home from work. (On lunch break right now.)

I would have thought that Miller is a role, not a modifier. But upon checking the setup I see that there is in fact a 1/75 chance to get miller as a modifier to another role.

What do you expect to see from reveal of the 1st set of cards?

This post shows davesaz actually does fact check. I find it hard to believe he didn't in my case.

What I think happened is he saw my cult post. Checked it with the rules considering it was a new role. And upon seeing it, decided to go with the accusations in an attempt to look like town.

VOTE: davesaz

[lane0168]

The only thing reserving my vote on Dave is that I waffled between picking scum and town on my first draw

What does that have to do with this game? Are you scum reading davesaz because he couldn't decide between scum and town on role 1? I fail to see the connection to what you did role 1, and that keeping you from voting davesaz role 2

[lane0168]

I understand that. I believe you were surprised. I just don't believe you didn't go check before posting. The way you did when you thought miller was a role, and not a modifier

[lane0168]

I'm down.

VOTE: Jackal

VOTE: jackal

What is this? Explain yourselves

[lane0168]

I don't see how you wouldn't understand it by reading the context of the thread.

Ok. You moved your vote off of someone that you liked my scum read for, to someone you want to policy lynch for wanting to policy lynch you. Brilliant

Doesn't explain Wednesday

[lane0168]

At least for my part the vote isn't entirely policy.

I get bad vibes from his post.

How could I know you get bad vibes by reading the context of the thread? Cause I didn't

[lane0168]

At least for my part the vote isn't entirely policy.

I get bad vibes from his post.

How could I know you get bad vibes by reading the context of the thread? Cause I didn't

What's his face jumped on the wagon and his excuse was just that it was a policy lynch. Then RC voted to lynch him because that was a poor excuse. It's not hard to understand

Would you say it's harder to understand that, or harder to figure out the names of players here? Don't talk to me about not hard to understand, when you can't look up a couple posts and read a name

[lane0168]

VOTE: jackal

@smithers I called persivul scum and voted him. I see you don't let reality bother you either.

I don't recall seeing a scum read from you. After reading your ISO I still don't see a scum read from you.

The intent is fairly clear from my post how did you interpret trying to blend in and my vote following? Or are you sincerely that blind?

Also, I think I want to update my list.
{Smithereens, Wednesday, Frozen Angel}
{Flubbernugget,blackstar }
{lane0168, davesaz}
{Jackal711 - null}
{}
{Persivul, radiant cowbells, Starbuck -null}
{Almost50}

I'm almost willing to move BlackStar and lane up a tier, but I need a little more from them to be sure.

That is where I'm at. I don't think we are gonna get almost50 lynched today based on reading their entry post. Persivul sure he seems like the type to just role over cowbells maybe I don't even know what a starbuck is...

For certain though I'll vote when necessary. And be my usual self until hanging time. I feel like I don't know if I should say it it pertains to blackstar.

Explain your jackal vote. You vote when necessary, why was it necessary to vote for jackal? Why did you move your vote off your top scum read? You have a scum reads but you're voting a null read. I'm sure blackstar cam explain it to me, for you.

[lane0168]

What test? What would it look like if I had failed the test?

[lane0168]

not omgussy but chainsawy, I think.

This feels like a good point to me.

[lane0168]

Not a good point, total crap, I think

[lane0168]

Why the hell would Wednesday do it like that? I didn't catch that
Just stupid as Fuck

[lane0168]

It would look scummy, of course.

So you did see that there was cult in the reroll?

[lane0168]

I once saw a player town read another player for pretty much nothing. The reader was town. The one who was town read was scum. Just poi

[lane0168]

Still begs the question, they're both on top of each other's lists.

We're masons, duh.

Prove it

[lane0168]

How is that clearly a town statement? Even if it's a joke, it couldn't be a scum joke?

[lane0168]

Wednesday doesn't seem to be brushing it off as a joke. Seems more like scrambling to cover up the slip. I wish persivul would've played it out more to see if they stuck with the claim. Tough to decide what it really is

[lane0168]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: ranger

[lane0168]

Hmm it might be better to vote Wednesday here. If we're wrong, Wednesday could just be trying to set himself for the "see! I told you he was town you idiots" whIle still being scum.

Really don't know why he refuses to tell us why ranger is unquestionably town. Is there a role that gets a pregame role investigation or some shit?

[lane0168]

It would look scummy, of course.

So you did see that there was cult in the reroll?

Davesaz did I miss your answer?

[lane0168]

Nevermind, haven't posted yet

[lane0168]

But seriously, if we're lynching one of them, can we make it Wednesday? The reaction makes him the more scummy one if you all me

[lane0168]

You sound like you got her to -1... Which is not the case and wont be the case.

My reaction was appropriate in response to sillyness.

@lane do it pussy. You wont.

Your reaction wasnt and still isn't an appropriate response to sillyness. Which tells me it's not sillyness at all. I won't what? You some sort of tough guy? Why don't you tell us why ranger is town? Pussy

And yeah I forgot about the miller claim.

[lane0168]

I'm just trying to figure out what the test was?

[lane0168]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: wednesday

L-2

[lane0168]

I'm just trying to figure out what the test was?

To see if you'd try to give runaround / obfuscate, or be straight. Straight it is.

If you honestly thought cult wasnt in the reroll, why would it be a test, and not pushing something you found scummy? I don't believe any of it cause you supposedly thought there was no cult. Which means you thought I was blatantly lying. Which means you'd probably be pretty sure I was scum. Which means it's not a test.

I think davesaz is also a good lynch candidate

[lane0168]

My issue with a Ranger wagon is the 1% chance he is town. Between the two "masons" there's less chucklefuck in his play

When did you start scum reading ranger?

This is no way my posts could have been interpreted to not believe you slipped

You realize the case was made the ranger slipped not me. Try harder to bullshit next time.

Are you admitting ranger slipped?

[lane0168]

So what's the claim? I see no hard claim, and I don't know what role private relates to. Like private eye? Cop?

[lane0168]

VOTE: Lane

This is so scum.

Yeah? You gonna make up some bull shit case on me again? Go for it

[lane0168]

Well it SHOULD feel like someone who's been here before

[lane0168]

How is that clearly a town statement? Even if it's a joke, it couldn't be a scum joke?

Wednesday doesn't seem to be brushing it off as a joke. Seems more like scrambling to cover up the slip. I wish persivul would've played it out more to see if they stuck with the claim. Tough to decide what it really is

Hmm it might be better to vote Wednesday here. If we're wrong, Wednesday could just be trying to set himself for the "see! I told you he was town you idiots" whIle still being scum.

Really don't know why he refuses to tell us why ranger is unquestionably town. Is there a role that gets a pregame role investigation or some shit?

But seriously, if we're lynching one of them, can we make it Wednesday? The reaction makes him the more scummy one if you all me

You sound like you got her to -1... Which is not the case and wont be the case.

My reaction was appropriate in response to sillyness.

@lane do it pussy. You wont.

Your reaction wasnt and still isn't an appropriate response to sillyness. Which tells me it's not sillyness at all. I won't what? You some sort of tough guy? Why don't you tell us why ranger is town? Pussy

And yeah I forgot about the miller claim.

[lane0168]

Are you forgetting that I was scum in our last game and the game before I was TRing you when you got me killed?

Im not forgetting anything. I remember you making a terrible case on me as scum. Just waiting to see if you're going to do it again here.

I wasnt scum in either of those anyways.

[lane0168]

I've got jackal on null, and while I can't totally disagree with lynching his lurky, I think Wednesday is better, davesaz is better too. I think it's too early in the game to lynch a lurker, and I think after 25 pages if that's the best candidate, it's quite possibly scum, or scum driven.

[lane0168]

I'd actually prefer them to wagon me rather than Jackal or Starbuck.

Although this looks very "townish" at face value, I can't help but wonder how you're so confident they're both town?

Will have to iso if you ever showed any signs of questioning ranger or Wednesday for putting each other in the unequivocally town category.

[lane0168]

UM.. I hate to interrupt your extremely entertaining duels, but -as it is- it looks like we're going to spend the rest of the day inspecting Wednesday/Ranger then decide we need a lynch so we will have a random draw on someone else who will probably flip town as well.

I suggest we move on to inspecting someone else, and I don't mind that being me. The thing about Ranger/Wednesday will resolve itself automatically during the night (unless we have no Tracker, no Watcher, no Role Cop, .. etc.)

The way I see it (and I can't stress enough that this is highly dependent on an UNVERIFIED ASSUMPTION) that Wednesday IS indeed town. She knows Ranger to be town (how? I don't know. But she does).

I have no read on Ranger myself, but if we assume the above to be true I have no choice but to accept Wednesday's rule on Ranger to be town-aligned for now. (@FA: Remember the Firefly themed game?? I'm not sure that this is the case, but I'm just saying)

Contrary to what some believe; I read RC as town. One word posts, voting almost everybody, drawing everybody's attention are some traits of his town play; judging by the one and only game I played with him so far.

Persivul jumped up a few notched. He looks like he's doing his homework alright. What worries me is the 50-50 chance that his duel vs Ranger could be scum vs town just as much as it could be town vs town.

That -in a nutshell- is how I see the whole picture of this incident.

Oh, and before a certain someone starts pushing for it, my modifier does NOT affect investigation results, so -unless we have a framer, which I think does NOT exist in this setup- I should be cleared by all sorts of cops/investigators. So there...

Nope. This post has him acknowledging the town reads, and how he has no idea where they came from, and yet no questioning about.

[lane0168]

I like town and 3rd party. My scum game is right down there with the worst of them. Generally I lurk then replace out. I can't fake scum hunting to save my life

[lane0168]

You didn't question either of them. That's two people you didn't question for tossing out unequivocally town reads. When persivul said he'd rather the pressure on him. He's pretty sure. Wednesday and ranger left no room for the other to be scum, and you don't question it. Before there was any talk of Wednesdays roles, you never question ranger or Wednesday

[lane0168]

@Wednesday you brought it upon yourself by refusing to answer any questions about Ranger.

[lane0168]

I'm surprised it didn't build up on you.

[lane0168]

@Wednesday you brought it upon yourself by refusing to answer any questions about Ranger.

What is your point? Are you admitting I'm town? Are you scolding me? Both imply town aligned sentiment. Or are you asking me to answer a question about ranger?

I think it was scolding. Thanks for the implied townread

You can dream that I implied whatever you want. However votes would tend to imply otherwise

[lane0168]

My point being, its not that you defended ranger, it's how.

[lane0168]

My only two valid lynches of the day are Jackal and Starbuck; and as I'm assuming the latter would be soon replaced that leaves me stuck with my vote on Jackal (unless something really tragic changes this stance).

If you had to pick a third or 4th. Who would they be? I'm just curious cause those 2 have extremely minimal content. Do you scum read anyone that actually posts enough to lynch? Or do you normally just go for the 2 that won't be defending themselves

[lane0168]

Good answer. As far as why you want to lynch them. I'm not going to disagree that scum will lurk.

But who else do you have for suspects? You didn't answer that part

[lane0168]

umm

neither of them are particularly good town players tho imo

This is true for me. The only thing I'm good at is generally looking town and pretty much outing myself as scum immediately.

[lane0168]

Urgh.

I completely fucked this up btw, but I can't explain how now.

Wtf why did you fuck this up?!

[lane0168]

Who's your partner?

[lane0168]

Oh you have more than one? Good to know

[lane0168]

So... no hammer then? Not even l-1. Something to do with not unvoting?

[lane0168]

No. Miscount davesaz for sure didn't have to unvote

[lane0168]

Hello!

@mod I think we need a new vote count