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Post #5 (isolation #0 ) » Wed Dec 09, 2015 8:29 am
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by borkjerfkin » Wed Dec 09, 2015 8:29 am
/confirm
unless I'm missing something it seems advantageous for Bride & Groom to immediately claim?
<<<This is not a "let's start doing this now" this is a "let's talk about doing this now">>>
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Post #11 (isolation #1 ) » Wed Dec 09, 2015 8:37 am
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i hereby invite them to sort that out for us considering my wincon
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Post #17 (isolation #2 ) » Wed Dec 09, 2015 8:59 am
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I highly doubt there would be 4 scum with the "you automatically lose" clause we have
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Post #19 (isolation #3 ) » Wed Dec 09, 2015 9:00 am
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4 scum is p standard for 17p normals, for comparison
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Post #20 (isolation #4 ) » Wed Dec 09, 2015 9:00 am
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by borkjerfkin » Wed Dec 09, 2015 9:00 am
In post 18 , Empire wrote: I don't think scum are likely to pile on like that but also see me not thinking through everything yet >_>
if it instantly wins the game why would they not
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Post #21 (isolation #5 ) » Wed Dec 09, 2015 9:00 am
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by borkjerfkin » Wed Dec 09, 2015 9:00 am
I guess you'd need a claim first but whatever sure
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Post #23 (isolation #6 ) » Wed Dec 09, 2015 9:01 am
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by borkjerfkin » Wed Dec 09, 2015 9:01 am
In post 12 , BROseidon wrote: there's a fairly probable downside that we should probably weigh against that.
this isn't a bad point but, as you may have surmised, I have no idea what that would be
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Post #24 (isolation #7 ) » Wed Dec 09, 2015 9:02 am
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Post #28 (isolation #8 ) » Wed Dec 09, 2015 9:04 am
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by borkjerfkin » Wed Dec 09, 2015 9:04 am
In post 25 , BROseidon wrote: Scum get bonus effects if bride or groom die.
Tie any PR or additional shots to the bride or groom getting NK'd.
This is conjecture?
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Post #31 (isolation #9 ) » Wed Dec 09, 2015 9:07 am
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Congrats guys
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Post #35 (isolation #10 ) » Wed Dec 09, 2015 9:11 am
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by borkjerfkin » Wed Dec 09, 2015 9:11 am
It's not really about execution to me, I'm not super worried about the quickhammer scenario and I would expect town to unvote on such a claim
It's more about ensuring we can't get in a position where we're considering lynching a bride/groom claim.
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Post #37 (isolation #11 ) » Wed Dec 09, 2015 9:12 am
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And these
aren't
ICs. They are named townies.
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Post #38 (isolation #12 ) » Wed Dec 09, 2015 9:13 am
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by borkjerfkin » Wed Dec 09, 2015 9:13 am
slash beloved princesses
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Post #39 (isolation #13 ) » Wed Dec 09, 2015 9:13 am
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by borkjerfkin » Wed Dec 09, 2015 9:13 am
on crack
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Post #46 (isolation #14 ) » Wed Dec 09, 2015 9:17 am
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by borkjerfkin » Wed Dec 09, 2015 9:17 am
In post 43 , Nachomamma8 wrote: i don't think the bride and groom are playing yet but maybe i'm wrong
if i'm wrong, they should definitely claim
Interesting conjecture, I didn't consider that, and I kinda get why you might think that
But I think you're probably wrong
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Post #47 (isolation #15 ) » Wed Dec 09, 2015 9:18 am
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by borkjerfkin » Wed Dec 09, 2015 9:18 am
In post 44 , BROseidon wrote: They're named townies where everyone in the game is informed that they are town.
The net result is pretty similar.
No it's not; if the mod would confirm they were town on D5 or whatever then sure, lay low.
That is not what we are dealing with
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Post #50 (isolation #16 ) » Wed Dec 09, 2015 9:20 am
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Post #51 (isolation #17 ) » Wed Dec 09, 2015 9:20 am
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by borkjerfkin » Wed Dec 09, 2015 9:20 am
In post 49 , Tammy wrote: Confirming that the ffery curse is apparently only limited to newbie games, so yay on that one too.
This you saying you're town?
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Post #54 (isolation #18 ) » Wed Dec 09, 2015 9:21 am
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by borkjerfkin » Wed Dec 09, 2015 9:21 am
In what world are these any kind of IC, activatable or otherwise
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Post #55 (isolation #19 ) » Wed Dec 09, 2015 9:22 am
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by borkjerfkin » Wed Dec 09, 2015 9:22 am
In post 53 , Nachomamma8 wrote: In post 51 , borkjerfkin wrote: In post 49 , Tammy wrote: Confirming that the ffery curse is apparently only limited to newbie games, so yay on that one too.
This you saying you're town?
no the ffery curse is she always rolls town
she meant to post that in our scum qt
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Post #63 (isolation #20 ) » Wed Dec 09, 2015 9:23 am
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by borkjerfkin » Wed Dec 09, 2015 9:23 am
In post 57 , BROseidon wrote: They just claim first post and never get lynched, effectively being 2 confirmed town.
You realize that isn't the only outcome of that, right?
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Post #71 (isolation #21 ) » Wed Dec 09, 2015 9:25 am
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by borkjerfkin » Wed Dec 09, 2015 9:25 am
This is decidedly not my 3rd fucking scumgame in a row
so there's that
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Post #72 (isolation #22 ) » Wed Dec 09, 2015 9:25 am
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You just posted what was wrong with that: scum counterclaims
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Post #74 (isolation #23 ) » Wed Dec 09, 2015 9:26 am
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by borkjerfkin » Wed Dec 09, 2015 9:26 am
I have no idea what that means
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Post #77 (isolation #24 ) » Wed Dec 09, 2015 9:27 am
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by borkjerfkin » Wed Dec 09, 2015 9:27 am
I know what you mean too but he was arguing we get more utility if they claim late and that would be true with ICs it is not true with these roles
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Post #85 (isolation #25 ) » Wed Dec 09, 2015 9:36 am
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by borkjerfkin » Wed Dec 09, 2015 9:36 am
I'm still in favor of having them claim asap I think.
p-edit: congrats again penguin
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Post #95 (isolation #26 ) » Wed Dec 09, 2015 9:42 am
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by borkjerfkin » Wed Dec 09, 2015 9:42 am
Is this like a big inside joke referral to Rachmarie's Narnia game or something?
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Post #103 (isolation #27 ) » Wed Dec 09, 2015 9:46 am
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by borkjerfkin » Wed Dec 09, 2015 9:46 am
I could've had a wedding singer role
I mean Nacho and Tammy know I'm legit
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Post #119 (isolation #28 ) » Wed Dec 09, 2015 9:51 am
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by borkjerfkin » Wed Dec 09, 2015 9:51 am
Eh
I might be willing to give it a day to see what happens; I expect there to be ancillary things going on OR there to be 2 scum (and I really hope the latter is not the case; I just feel that low scum count games really become a slog as you're not very often rewarded and associatives are hard and etc)
p-edit: a bunch of shit i didn't read
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Post #124 (isolation #29 ) » Wed Dec 09, 2015 9:53 am
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by borkjerfkin » Wed Dec 09, 2015 9:53 am
Townreading nati medium hard
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Post #130 (isolation #30 ) » Wed Dec 09, 2015 9:57 am
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by borkjerfkin » Wed Dec 09, 2015 9:57 am
In post 127 , Nachomamma8 wrote: giving it a day also allows scum to give bride/groom claims to their members in trouble, which seems optimal to me
that snark though
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Post #138 (isolation #31 ) » Wed Dec 09, 2015 9:59 am
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That was him sarcastically not agreeing with my
119
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Post #147 (isolation #32 ) » Wed Dec 09, 2015 10:04 am
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Yeah, I got the use of optimal there, and I assumed that was your way of saying "that's dumb cause it gives scum more time to do a thing"
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Post #153 (isolation #33 ) » Wed Dec 09, 2015 10:09 am
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In post 149 , pieguyn wrote:
I cannot _wait_ to hear the reasoning behind this. I actually thought I was pretty transparently town so far.
I am not townreading you as of yet; I don't think anything in
131 135 are really ringing my bell and the only other thing you've done is call 2 people town one of which is the lowest risk townread to make ever
I am curious as to what you thought was transparently town so far
which I don't think I'd normally ask to someone about themselves but in this case I thought it was egregious enough to
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Post #154 (isolation #34 ) » Wed Dec 09, 2015 10:09 am
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by borkjerfkin » Wed Dec 09, 2015 10:09 am
Was AP even in that game? I don't remember him being in it
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Post #155 (isolation #35 ) » Wed Dec 09, 2015 10:10 am
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I don't really see anything wrong with anything Empire has posted so far
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Post #167 (isolation #37 ) » Wed Dec 09, 2015 10:14 am
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I don't really see anything scummy with anything Empire has posted so far
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Post #170 (isolation #38 ) » Wed Dec 09, 2015 10:16 am
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by borkjerfkin » Wed Dec 09, 2015 10:16 am
In post 165 , pieguyn wrote: if i was scum here, i would actually be scared out of my fucking mind because of it being a blitz game with at least seven or eight players each of whom would individually be capable of pinning me to the wall. i usually rely on making logical, well-thought out posts as scum and in a blitz game, don't really have time to do that. i don't think i would have opened this game the way i did if i was scum
this is a really lateral point to get to "transparently town" from
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Post #173 (isolation #39 ) » Wed Dec 09, 2015 10:16 am
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I am not really worried about Nacho right now
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by borkjerfkin » Wed Dec 09, 2015 10:18 am
I don't actually think those reads are scummy, they're just "not transparently town" from pie
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Post #185 (isolation #41 ) » Wed Dec 09, 2015 10:21 am
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fucking deja vu all over the place right now
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Post #197 (isolation #43 ) » Wed Dec 09, 2015 10:29 am
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under any rational definition of win we won the shit out of that game
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Post #206 (isolation #44 ) » Wed Dec 09, 2015 10:42 am
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I recognize there is a seam between what Empire says I said about Pie and what I actually said about Pie
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Post #207 (isolation #45 ) » Wed Dec 09, 2015 10:43 am
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here nacho I don't see how this is going to do anything before ffery says the game starts:
VOTE: Empire
Still actually undecided on Empire.
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Post #211 (isolation #46 ) » Wed Dec 09, 2015 10:45 am
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UNVOTE:
The game still hasn't actually started
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Post #212 (isolation #47 ) » Wed Dec 09, 2015 10:46 am
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Somewhat of an aside but you jumped up my ass for reading you like this when I was scum last game (and was right of course) and I don't really know what my point here is other that I'm miffed about it
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Post #236 (isolation #49 ) » Wed Dec 09, 2015 11:12 am
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In post 230 , Syryana wrote:
You know, I'm not actually sure
VOTE: AP
Cephrir wrote:
why isn't this vote for pie
Why should it be a vote for pie?
Why is AP scum in your own words; liking the vote on him was your first reference to him other than agreeing w/ his read on me
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Post #239 (isolation #50 ) » Wed Dec 09, 2015 11:14 am
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by borkjerfkin » Wed Dec 09, 2015 11:14 am
I think Maestro's Large Normal (where I was scum and you replaced in on D2) was even faster than this
Might have been walking dead though I can't remember
above @AP
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Post #243 (isolation #51 ) » Wed Dec 09, 2015 11:21 am
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by borkjerfkin » Wed Dec 09, 2015 11:21 am
I don't really see anything wrong with that (except maybe as a reason to townread Empire)
Which I can't really tell if you're doing here or not
above @syr
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Post #244 (isolation #52 ) » Wed Dec 09, 2015 11:22 am
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by borkjerfkin » Wed Dec 09, 2015 11:22 am
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Post #245 (isolation #53 ) » Wed Dec 09, 2015 11:23 am
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by borkjerfkin » Wed Dec 09, 2015 11:23 am
pie what are you seeing from Ceph that worries you
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Post #249 (isolation #54 ) » Wed Dec 09, 2015 11:26 am
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by borkjerfkin » Wed Dec 09, 2015 11:26 am
You're ok with an AP vote in lieu of an empire vote even though it's
1) unqualifiable for you other than gut
2) Empire (who you are still admittedly scumreading) is voting for him too?
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Post #261 (isolation #55 ) » Wed Dec 09, 2015 11:34 am
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by borkjerfkin » Wed Dec 09, 2015 11:34 am
In post 250 , pieguyn wrote:
initial reaction to
229 was it was scum trying to keep a T/T going, since at that point it should have been obvious why Empire's vote wasn't on me over AP
I don't agree; I'm still a little in the dark myself because I can't tell if Empire's trajectory on you is a legitimate scumread or just a pure reaction test
You also expressed this sentiment
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Post #263 (isolation #56 ) » Wed Dec 09, 2015 11:39 am
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by borkjerfkin » Wed Dec 09, 2015 11:39 am
Agree on
255 which is essentially non-content
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Post #264 (isolation #57 ) » Wed Dec 09, 2015 11:39 am
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by borkjerfkin » Wed Dec 09, 2015 11:39 am
Gotta drive home myself, back tonight
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Post #309 (isolation #58 ) » Wed Dec 09, 2015 2:12 pm
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by borkjerfkin » Wed Dec 09, 2015 2:12 pm
In post 274 , AngryPidgeon wrote: Lets not even talk about X-men mafia :S. That game might actually be the biggest shitshow I've been in.
In post 279 , AngryPidgeon wrote: 1) Well it was a pretty much shooting from the hip read and I've since gotten more -shrug- about it because other people are posting things that look town to me and I dont want to bloat my townreads. The thought was about how persistent he was in encouraging the groom/bride to claim. Its a bit bold for scum and doesn't really match up with what I recall of Bork's scumgame anyhow. I like that he had direction so early and I generally had good feelings about him.
I came into this expecting to lambaste you about this because on some level I felt that you may have tempered the read to mollify Empire, but honestly you were the first person to townread me and it was everyone else that assembled the cavalcade to agree with you (which should be a good indication that you're right) but yeah
I want to give you room here because I think you're a potentially dangerous threat to scum if you're town, I just feel that you're really only 1) being reactive rather than proactive and 2) only really reaching skin deep
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Post #313 (isolation #59 ) » Wed Dec 09, 2015 2:15 pm
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by borkjerfkin » Wed Dec 09, 2015 2:15 pm
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Post #315 (isolation #60 ) » Wed Dec 09, 2015 2:16 pm
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by borkjerfkin » Wed Dec 09, 2015 2:16 pm
yesssss
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