Blitz 18: Wedding Invitational Mafia - GAME OVER

AngryPidgeon · Sat Dec 19, 2015 9:57 am

In a Nacho/Pie both being scum scenario, then the RB doesn't exist. I still don't think Marquis makes extreme sense as a kill. Most likely Tammy, me, or Mara.

In a Nacho-scum, Pie-town scenario I think it makes some amount of sense to kill Marquis. Makes pie look bad and removes a town PR.

These aimless mumblings brought you by coffee.

AngryPidgeon · Sat Dec 19, 2015 10:02 am

Also potentially of note is that Marquis really wanted to lynch Empire. I've been waffling hard on Empire, currently a bit town on him. Killing Marquis for that reason would make sense if Empire is scum but thats only one of many possible reasons for Marquis dying.

1752 looks an awful lot like a town slip.

AngryPidgeon · Sat Dec 19, 2015 10:06 am

Wait no, Im not voting for Mala, thats dumb as bricks.

Mala is town.

AngryPidgeon · Sat Dec 19, 2015 10:14 am

Yes. I just don't see some of these Mala posts coming from scum.

Her ISO is wayyyyy too confident to be scum. And I don't mean that as a dig on Mala's scumgame, I mean that shes got some of that good town don't-give-a-shit going on. 802 absolutely does not look like scum-Mala unless maybe shes scum with NS and knows he is being scummy but thats the only way I see scum-Mala making that post. And yes I realize that everyone's favorite pet team is Mala/NotScience right now. But there was also talk earlier in the game about how Mala never busses and I remember Nacho and BRO throwing that around. So I'd love to hear what came of that opinion that Mala and Notty on the same team doesn't make sense.

808 is really a great example of what I see in Mala's ISO. She just doesn't seem to care that shes getting suspected at all aside from a personal pet-peeve vantage which really screams town to me unless Mala's scumgame has gotten shameless in recent days. Also Mala is being a bit pot-shotty to come from scum and none of her posts really feel directed or otherwise awkward. Not voting Mala this game.

AngryPidgeon · Sat Dec 19, 2015 12:11 pm

Vote: Empire

AngryPidgeon · Sat Dec 19, 2015 2:11 pm

@ceph:

, is that because you think mala is mafia?

AngryPidgeon · Sat Dec 19, 2015 2:28 pm

Well I'm at a party right now. And buzzed. So tomorrow. TM

AngryPidgeon · Sat Dec 19, 2015 3:55 pm

In post 1826, Nachomamma8 wrote:
In post 1823, Cephrir wrote:Which one is optimal to lynch first? Like, if only one of them were scum, which one would it be?

Probably Mala; her interactions with GM are far more damning than NS's.

Disagree?

AngryPidgeon · Sat Dec 19, 2015 4:28 pm

Nacho stop im giggling. Im swirling wine and giggling at you.

AngryPidgeon · Sat Dec 19, 2015 5:13 pm

Probably 6 scum on this mala wagon!

AngryPidgeon · Sat Dec 19, 2015 5:48 pm

Ya that one is p scum driven too.

AngryPidgeon · Sat Dec 19, 2015 6:32 pm

In post 1879, pieguyn wrote:I don't think this has been brought up, correct me if it has: why does everyone think the team is noddy/Mala when Mala has an established meta of never bussing?

will read tomorrow.

Was totally brought up, recently even

AngryPidgeon · Sun Dec 20, 2015 10:50 am

Well it looks like I'll be voting not science since I prefer that to Mala lynch.

AngryPidgeon · Sun Dec 20, 2015 11:05 am

Yes, but im scrambling to do some Christmas shopping atm. Haven't been home in over 24 hours. So I'll be on in an hour or so. Aren't you concerned that mala interactions with gm are TOO obvious?

AngryPidgeon · Sun Dec 20, 2015 11:17 am

Well I don't think that shes too scummy to be scum, I think the opposite of that. Or something.

Mala was getting wagoned hard. As scum, I dont think she's double down on the "GM and I always get ML'd" bit. It would make GM look bad after she flipped and I think Mala would avoid doing that out of respect for GM. I think she'd make more of an effort if GM were in fact a buddy. The whole interaction is -lazy- and I think that points to it being town more than anything.

AngryPidgeon · Sun Dec 20, 2015 11:25 am

I think she would have ignored GM as much as possible or maybe done what she is doing to NS now (lol). I just think her defense of GM was far too casual to come from someone who was thinking of the consequences of either of them getting lynched and flipping scum. Cause if Mala got lynched of course people would start going after GM like there is no tomorrow and I think Mala wouldn't want that to happen. Its also that she was so proactive about defending GM. Going after Cephrir for it, talking about how they are always mislynched. I think it just makes more sense that she thought GM was town. I could be wrong but Im seeing Mala town here.

AngryPidgeon · Sun Dec 20, 2015 11:31 am

@Ceph: What happened to saying you thought Mala/GM had exactly one scum in it?

AngryPidgeon · Sun Dec 20, 2015 4:42 pm

Girl plz.

AngryPidgeon · Sun Dec 20, 2015 7:09 pm

Tbf, your case on GM had me wondering if you could be scum with her before she flipped. Not saying I am buying into that thought atm but it looks kind of like you realized GM was going to be lurk scum and decided to take advantage early.

AngryPidgeon · Sun Dec 20, 2015 7:11 pm

That said, im having trouble figuring out who I think is a plausible buddy for you at this point. You are sort of leading the charge on Mala so that seems not extremely likely. Probably not pie. Notty maybe.

AngryPidgeon · Sun Dec 20, 2015 7:12 pm

Why are you town reading BRO? Claim doesnt count

AngryPidgeon · Sun Dec 20, 2015 8:02 pm

In post 1913, Cephrir wrote:@AP; I don't think this is exactly the same as what you're saying, but what happened is:

Uhhhhhh? You said you'd be 9/10 confident that you only got one scum. I left that conversation originally with the impression you thought it as just one scum in that group and I'm still seeing that on this revisit, but ok. What about the setup didn't make sense? Mala was the only claim and GM has jut made a vague claim of not B/G at that point.

In post 1730, Empire wrote:So looking at the role PM, unless I'm reading it wrong, it seems like there's only one scumbag left. Maybe we should massclaim now?

What the hell is this.

In post 1741, Nachomamma8 wrote:I don't really think my townread for Nati could get any stronger at this point, which is nice.

I really don't get this. Like. I can see townreading Nati, that would make sense. But hailing her as obvtown and leaving her to do whatever is just ???

Why are people hard townreading Nati so hard. Nothing in her ISO is really THAT town.

T->S at the moment:

Tammy
Cephrir
BRO
Nacho
Mala
Pieguy
Natirasha
Empire
NotScience

AngryPidgeon · Mon Dec 21, 2015 6:19 am

Well mala does seem to have given up at this point.

AngryPidgeon · Mon Dec 21, 2015 6:22 am

Also Mala is still town though so.

AngryPidgeon · Mon Dec 21, 2015 8:33 am

VOTE: notscience

Because its the only viable wagon that isn't Mala at this point.

AngryPidgeon · Mon Dec 21, 2015 8:49 am

In post 1951, Tammy wrote:What did you think he was softing and why did you think he could back out of it?

I also want to know what you thought Mara was softing. Cause thats the weird part. It looked like you were trying to soft B/G and then Mara came in and was like oh no you don't" and you were like "are you CCing me?!?". And then claimed Bodyguard. The whole situation was just strange. It was not clear what you were softing and frankly it looked like you were softing Bride/Groom since that is the only open role in the game. I don't know how you thought Mara was CCing a bodyguard claim or that you were obviously softing that.

But then again its possible that all the confusion was just a result of general ego'ing in the thread and little concern for understanding other people's posts. On all fronts. So IDK, it might be worth revisiting again but my better sense is telling me that its going to be a wash to attempt to reread that.

AngryPidgeon · Mon Dec 21, 2015 8:49 am

^ that post to Pie, obviously.

AngryPidgeon · Mon Dec 21, 2015 9:01 am

Actually 1450 makes that exchange make way more sense and adds some comedic value

AngryPidgeon · Mon Dec 21, 2015 9:51 am

In post 1959, Natirasha wrote:AP you feel like scum desperately trying to keep your lynch options open in the future.

Congratulations on identifying the hallmark of my towngame which I've historically been incapable of faking as scum.

AngryPidgeon · Mon Dec 21, 2015 11:11 am

Welp. Not much to see here.

I will fight anyone who says that Nati's last post is a townslip.

AngryPidgeon · Mon Dec 21, 2015 12:17 pm

Only one person is voting Nati for that post.

But really I dont see that one post as a pivotal reason to vote or not vote Nati. I see Nati's ISO as a great reason to vote Nati.

AngryPidgeon · Mon Dec 21, 2015 12:33 pm

^ I was concerned that it was faking as much for town cred. Because scum would -have- to be aware of whats going on to some extent.

AngryPidgeon · Mon Dec 21, 2015 12:43 pm

In post 1978, BROseidon wrote:b/c my limited experience with scum-nati involved a lot of her not reading the thread.

You were in that Street Racers, weren't you? As a hydra with PA? The one where Nati fakeclaimed being a gunsmith or something?

AngryPidgeon · Tue Dec 22, 2015 7:33 am

I don't want to do this characterization misjustice, but from what I recall:

Cabd's dad is extremely conservative, fairly racist/sexist, and rather unpleasant. So basically what BRO just said. I actually thought that he could be a Mafia role in the game, but it looks like the Mafia flavor is literal demons so that wouldn't make sense. Doesn't mean that it couldn't be provided to the scumteam as a fakeclaim though, -shrug-.

AngryPidgeon · Tue Dec 22, 2015 7:48 am

In post 869, Natirasha wrote:VOTE: GOODMORNING

Sorry I haven't really paid attention and still won't til tomorrow afternoon, but deadline.

This is the first time Nati addresses GM aside from an awkward post to Pieguy in which Nati mentions awkwardly that she would lynch GM but maybe not Mala/Mara. The progression is pretty hollow to me and yes I realize that might just be because Nati isn't reading or doing much participating but thats a pretty poor excuse for town.

The whole bit about Bride/Groom claiming looks awkward as well. Nati is showing a lot of interest in them with setup spec out the gate and then following through on the original idea that they should claim on D2.

In post 1159, Natirasha wrote:Who cares if they are lovers.

It makes this post read weird to me since Nati is devoting most of her content to the Bride/Groom spec. Yet she doesn't actually care about a detail that might be very important to them claiming or her game spec?

90% of Nati's reads are just carelessly suggesting that GM is scummy and not talking about much else. Thinks Mala is town but won't do anything about that other than vote NotScience and be snooty to Nacho for asking about why Nati would vote NS over Mala. And if anyone read Nati's ISO, it'd be clear that she was going to do just that Today barring some actual ...something.

I'm just not seeing why this is town to so many people cause I'm not seeing anything in the ISO that makes me want to townread her.

AngryPidgeon · Tue Dec 22, 2015 7:49 am

Also my read on empire is a sine wave.

And my current read on Empire is town!

AngryPidgeon · Tue Dec 22, 2015 7:50 am

Also it took me like 15 minutes to read all of Nati's ISO and post about it. So thats pretty much a great reason to scumread her.

Inb4 tidal waves of meta bullshit that I certainly don't care about.

AngryPidgeon · Tue Dec 22, 2015 8:05 am

Alright guys, 21 hours to go and we've managed to do not very much. Intent to vote Mala to avoid a No lynch.

AngryPidgeon · Tue Dec 22, 2015 8:08 am

Ya well.

Before we lynch Mala, I want everyone to know that I'm going to be a completely insufferable douchebag about it if she flips town. But if shes scum I'll prolly just hold Nacho's hand the rest of the game.

AngryPidgeon · Tue Dec 22, 2015 8:18 am

AngryPidgeon · Tue Dec 22, 2015 8:45 am

In post 2006, BROseidon wrote:AP, it's all about
spearow face.

Oh man is this my next avatar?

AngryPidgeon · Tue Dec 22, 2015 10:21 am

Well Im not surprised

AngryPidgeon · Tue Dec 22, 2015 1:08 pm

Its definitely weird but I was in Cabd's Tales of You game and this is still less weird that that one.

AngryPidgeon · Tue Dec 22, 2015 1:41 pm

I really liked Tales! :p

Well. Actually that was p stressful and defo my most tryhard scum win to date.

AngryPidgeon · Tue Dec 22, 2015 8:02 pm

I'll check on this before I head to the airport tomorrow, but gonna be mostly away.

AngryPidgeon · Wed Dec 23, 2015 4:09 am

Well im sort of here as I had to the airport.

AngryPidgeon · Wed Dec 23, 2015 5:18 am

Well this is exciting. Empire gets the hammer. Or I can in 40 minutes

AngryPidgeon · Wed Dec 23, 2015 5:49 am

Well thats that.

AngryPidgeon · Mon Dec 28, 2015 8:08 pm

I can't believe you guys lynched Pie

I mean ya I'm one to talk with Mala in my don't lynch reads. But she was kinda middle of the line opposed to legit townreads like Tammy. but enough apologetics for me. I came here to lynch scum and eat chili. And I have a giant bowl of chili next to me.

AngryPidgeon · Mon Dec 28, 2015 8:12 pm

Nacho, is it just me or does your claim look like bullshit?

AngryPidgeon · Tue Dec 29, 2015 7:13 am

In post 2143, BROseidon wrote:Nobody's talked about Empire in a while. I keep forgetting that he's in this game.

I'm willing to keep forgetting about him for this game day.

AngryPidgeon · Tue Dec 29, 2015 7:14 am

In post 2146, BROseidon wrote:Also I don't want mass claim. Changed my mind after thinking about it in the shower.

Thanks for reminding me you are town. Now I just need to figure out the other 5 people in this game.

AngryPidgeon · Tue Dec 29, 2015 7:15 am

In post 2153, Empire wrote:Like, I almost want to get mislynched just so I no longer have to be in this game and I never thought I'd feel this way, ever.

Well we can still win this shit seriously. I think we are really getting down to solving this game. But ya I think pie was pretty town.

AngryPidgeon · Tue Dec 29, 2015 7:15 am

Hi notty!

Are you scumreading Nacho or is that more of an omgus vote?

AngryPidgeon · Tue Dec 29, 2015 7:18 am

In post 2156, Nachomamma8 wrote:I'd expect him to try harder, yeah.
Not science feels pretty prelynched but he is also pretty confident in his ability to obvtown/people usually acknowledge that he's very town when he channels that so it wouldn't be too much effort for notsci to push a wagon off him. As scum, he doesn't really know where to start digging himself out of a hole and thus I expect more apathy in this situation from scum than town.

I actually sort of agree with this. I've seen notty be town before and when he is, its like screamingly town. This is like a loud whisper version of that.

AngryPidgeon · Tue Dec 29, 2015 7:22 am

I wish I had strong opinions this game.

VOTE: Natirasha

AngryPidgeon · Tue Dec 29, 2015 7:37 am

Four scum is plausible and it makes me uncertain enough about setup spec to really try and dive into it. If it is 3 scum, then bodyguard/bodyguard/delayedkillcop/tracker seems excessive.

AngryPidgeon · Tue Dec 29, 2015 7:38 am

Although BG is a relatively weak role and having two of them is sort of negative utility due to setup spec. And the delayed kill cop and tracker are average strength roles at best so meh.

AngryPidgeon · Tue Dec 29, 2015 7:42 am

Can anyone explain why Natirasha is town?

AngryPidgeon · Tue Dec 29, 2015 7:46 am

In post 2189, Cephrir wrote:@ap: the sole possible reason is because gm. i'm assuming that doesn't convince you?

Was there some interaction they had that makes people think it unlikely? I do recall seeing Natirasha push for GM more than anyone else. Nacho far and away made the best case on GM though.

AngryPidgeon · Tue Dec 29, 2015 7:48 am

Also, happy scumday ffery ^^

AngryPidgeon · Tue Dec 29, 2015 2:49 pm

In post 2198, Empire wrote:What do you think of the Tammy nightkill? I find it incredibly bothersome because I think you and I both know who should have died N3.

You mean Nacho? Cause I can't think of anyone aside from maybe myself or Mara that you might be referring to and I'm not that concerned about me not dying N3. I'm really unsure about what Tammy's reads were aside from Malakittens. I could look at her townreads more I suppose. I didn't think too much about it because I thought Tammy was pretty obviously town so killing her makes sense.

AngryPidgeon · Wed Dec 30, 2015 7:21 am

Lets not massclaim. Or better yet, if you have a PR just claim it whenever you feel like it. I think its pretty clear that Empire, Nati, Notty, and Ceph are claiming vanilla.

AngryPidgeon · Wed Dec 30, 2015 7:26 am

Its funny that someone called Empire forgettable. I thought most of his posts were pretty memorable in a well-this-might-be-forced-emotion kind of way. But I'm currently thinking that I was overthinking that and that hes just town.

Cephrir might break my heart if hes scum which might be why I havent looked at him too much.

AngryPidgeon · Wed Dec 30, 2015 8:48 am

AngryPidgeon · Wed Dec 30, 2015 9:16 am

Spoiler: ok lets hug it out

AngryPidgeon · Wed Dec 30, 2015 5:38 pm

In post 2221, BROseidon wrote:
In post 2188, AngryPidgeon wrote:Can anyone explain why Natirasha is town?

VOTE: nachoe

I'm starting to get Tales of You vibes out of ns/nacho at this point.

Out of notscience? He was town in that. Unless you think Nacho is acting with NS like he did with his scum buddies in Tales.

I don't really get the same impression, but eh. I have a new target to direct my paranoia towards

AngryPidgeon · Thu Dec 31, 2015 1:55 pm

In post 2234, fferyllt wrote:
Ms Marangal is the Bride and confirmed
Town

AngryPidgeon is the Groom and confirmed
Town

Apparently stuff happened in this thread while I was gone. I'll try to catch up from the gym. But also Im guessign that Mara claimed we were both bulletproof. Until we get revealed so we no longer are. So yathis setup is bonkers, no idea what it all means, illuminati420, VOTE: Cephrir

Really sorry and you have had a great scumgame so far ILU but its time to lose.

AngryPidgeon · Thu Dec 31, 2015 2:37 pm

In post 2251, Nachomamma8 wrote:AP please just vote me or something

Nevar. I'm a strong independent pidgeon. I guess I'd vote Notty. But I don't wanna.

AngryPidgeon · Thu Dec 31, 2015 2:44 pm

Nacho pls. I owe you for the Mala bullshit. You aren't getting lynched today.

But people who lI've in glass houses shouldn't burn bridges

AngryPidgeon · Sun Jan 10, 2016 2:14 pm

Cephrir, I gave you a blind eye for so long because you were rather intentionally different. And I didn't want to believe that you had rolled scum in a game with me AGAIN. Towards the end I just kind of had a moment of clarity where I realized you were it, but then you killed me, boo.

AngryPidgeon · Wed Jan 13, 2016 8:11 am

How to determine Ceph's alignment:

Is he in a game of Mafia ---- n ---- (neither town nor scum)
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|--------y ---- (Is he on your scum team?) ---- y ---- (he is scum with you)
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| - - - - - n - - - - (he is on the other scum team, don't slip about multiball though).