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Post Post #2028 (isolation #200) » Sat Jan 30, 2016 10:48 am

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In post 2022, Wisdom wrote:I really want this to have a "anti is scum" explanation because I don't understand shit. You come in and call my point bad and spiffeh's PoE scumreads bad, and then get annoyed we express paranoia. How the fuck does that justify you wanting to ignore me or policy or replace out?

YOUR
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Post Post #2034 (isolation #201) » Sat Jan 30, 2016 10:53 am

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In post 2032, Wisdom wrote:Okay Anti. Can we let that go and get to the part where you tell us why we should lynch someone other than Plot and Phantom?

holy shit i never said that

just for the THIRD time now
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Post Post #2044 (isolation #202) » Sat Jan 30, 2016 11:05 am

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In post 2030, Gorkington wrote:anti, you should just accept that wisdom is going to probably be wrong about things and there's not much to do about it.

ok i'm looking at ank again and i'm at 128:
In post 128, Ankamius wrote:KT was your read on Antihero serious?

there was the exchange w/ rc about how he's easy to sort blahblahblah

then kt becomes an unexplained townread in and that NEVER gets substantiated which is pretty gross.

so there's that part...

but then there's stuff like this:
Spoiler:
In post 499, Ankamius wrote:
In post 457, Ranger wrote:
Ankamius wrote:VOTE: Sakura Hana
Wisdom, you're wrong about Sakura Hana.

This
is scum.
It is not scum bussing.

It is just scum. Being opportunistic.

Antihero wrote:VOTE: phantomcobalt
While I need more time to be sure (there is the
possibility
of PhantomCobalt being scum), PhantomCobalt looks like the shiny to me.
As in, flashy and distracting, but ultimately not scum.
Sort of like a less-vocal version of Ashnard.

I'd much prefer we focus on talah/Ktthecreeper/Ankamius. Especially given this:
Ankamius, on PC wrote:This is disgustingly scummy, too.


What the fuck, is
anyone
town this game?

In post 504, Ankamius wrote:RC: What do you think about the gamestate right now? The more I think about it, the more I think that town is in a much more dangerous position than we think.

In post 510, Ankamius wrote:
In post 506, Trebuchet MS wrote:
In post 504, Ankamius wrote:The more I think about it, the more I think that town is in a much more dangerous position than we think.

Why would you say this ominously and not like

Go into detail or explain why

PEdit: Is that the only reason for this statement?

~Spiffy


Talah is town.
Expedience is town.
KTthecreeper is town.
RC is a player that tends to tunnel whatever he's focusing on to the exclusion of basically everyone else. It's safe to have him just tunnel Scatterplot to death and not mess with him since it will distract two of the strongest player slots.
Antihero gets treated exactly as he usually does when he's town and I'm easy to remove from the game solely by forcing me into apathy.

That's everyone I either have seen town posts from or (in Scatterplot's case) are more likely town via putting the pieces together.

I'm getting a very bad feeling that scum are taking control of the game and the kickback on me after I started going after Sakura only makes that feeling worse.

In post 600, Ankamius wrote:Hiplop do we have any reads that intersect?

I'm fine with wagons on Ranger, Sakura Hana, and PhantomCobalt right now.

In post 726, Ankamius wrote:I see Wisdom is still determined to be as aggressively wrong as he can. Nothing new here.

In post 868, Ankamius wrote:The problem with your first point is that just discussing reads with her like you're suggesting is a safer option than what she actually did, and is far likely to result in her making a tactical mistake and tipping Ranger off that the townread miiiiiight have been given out too early. It's early enough in the game that reads can change on a dime for weak reasoning.

I'm not willing to vote based on the reads point because a lot of people's reads this game are pretty bad/opportunistic right now FMPOV and not all of them can be scum, so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯.

You're underestimating just how much apathy 1v1 wallfests create. As someone who has taken part in a lot of these, my experience states that virtually nobody likes or wants to engage them.

In post 911, Ankamius wrote:Ether, what do you think about the gamestate right now?

In post 912, Ankamius wrote:Like, as a whole.

It's really disturbing me that I seem to be seeing a different game than anyone else and I want to figure out either where I went wrong or what I'm seeing that no one else is.


for varying ~reasons~ these posts are just... town. they just are.

if ank's scum here that means he knows which exactly buttons to push at what time and i don't think of ank's scumgame being at that level (no offense meant, that's just my opinion).
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Post Post #2045 (isolation #203) » Sat Jan 30, 2016 11:06 am

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In post 2038, Wisdom wrote:Why we should consider* someone other than them.

because we're not fucking boneheaded and overconfident given sakura's flip

at least i don't think we are

or at least we shouldn't be

however you want to word it
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Post Post #2055 (isolation #204) » Sat Jan 30, 2016 11:13 am

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In post 2047, Gorkington wrote:
In post 2046, Wisdom wrote:Okay okay. Continue what you're doing. I like you again now you're seeing Ank is town. Do it with everyone until only Plot and Phantom remains.
and titus/sakura.
right?

ok for clarity,
i'm not in the business of shaming ppl for titus/sakura flipping town


part of why i was so dead set on a sakura lynch was because i felt good enough about the wagons being town that my first thought was (scum/scum wagons) so i didn't worry about compositions that much and that late wagon/counterwagon dynamic w/ firebringer at the end of day 1.

that's gone so now my original assumption of the sakura wagon being town comes into question so now i'm burning down my original town reads and starting over.

that' it.
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Post Post #2064 (isolation #205) » Sat Jan 30, 2016 11:29 am

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In post 2059, Gorkington wrote:someone gag me.

i didn't know you were into that kind of thing...
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Post Post #2068 (isolation #206) » Sat Jan 30, 2016 11:33 am

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i'm still rolling w/ my ranger, hiplop, spiffeh, and wis townreads

the only one i'm still questioning now is expedience
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Post Post #2069 (isolation #207) » Sat Jan 30, 2016 11:34 am

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In post 2067, Expedience wrote:VOTE: PhantomCobalt

ew, that kind of grosses me out
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Post Post #2083 (isolation #208) » Sat Jan 30, 2016 12:25 pm

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In post 2079, Expedience wrote:If anything, Wisdom saying that MKA was killed to frame him is scummy, but I have a townread on Wisdom regardless. Because he might have killed MKA and worried that people would suspect him for it.

what the fuck...
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Post Post #2084 (isolation #209) » Sat Jan 30, 2016 12:30 pm

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VOTE: expedience
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Post Post #2085 (isolation #210) » Sat Jan 30, 2016 12:31 pm

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the thing i quoted was just the tip of the iceberg

2079 is just all-around awful
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Post Post #2087 (isolation #211) » Sat Jan 30, 2016 12:35 pm

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which one?
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Post Post #2088 (isolation #212) » Sat Jan 30, 2016 12:41 pm

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what i quoted on you was a non-stance. so is the thing on spiffeh.

the scumread on phantom is stretched, phantom already said he was phoneposting and not voting is somehow the ultimate scumtell. weak. (and how would plot townreading him for joking about something be relevant at all?)

the read on ranger is similarly strained (why would it be hard for scumranger to come up with reasons to townread sakura?)

so... yeah. having trouble seeing what there is to like about that post.
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Post Post #2091 (isolation #213) » Sat Jan 30, 2016 12:59 pm

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In post 2090, Wisdom wrote:I can defend all of these things but I'll let Expedience do it

you can do it after he does b/c that's pretty weird
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Post Post #2092 (isolation #214) » Sat Jan 30, 2016 1:01 pm

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ok how about just explaining why you're townreading it.

i could maybe see nullreading it. but saying you townread that post is like eating a big spoonful of dog shit and saying you like the taste of it.
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Post Post #2094 (isolation #215) » Sat Jan 30, 2016 1:07 pm

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because the logic chains are just THAT weak

"he didn't vote ank when he phoneposted, he made a joke at the wrong time and bee tee dubs plot townread him for that and he's scum"

unless you want to make the argument that expedience is bad, but he never struck me as such
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Post Post #2097 (isolation #216) » Sat Jan 30, 2016 1:54 pm

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In post 2096, Ranger wrote:Prove Ankamius is town.

already talked about this. not definitive "proof" but this would be miles ahead of his usual scumgame and i frankly don't think he'd be able to pull it off.

In post 2096, Ranger wrote:Heck! I'd settle for having Expedience proven town.

no arguments from me there.
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Post Post #2110 (isolation #217) » Sat Jan 30, 2016 2:13 pm

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In post 2102, Ranger wrote:Not really. Quoting a bunch of posts, many of which were the foundation of my Ankamius scumread in the first place, and saying (not analyzing, just blindly saying) "these are town" is not what I'd call "talking". You didn't truly give me reasons. Explain to me WHY those are town buttons. Because they just look like scum to me.

there really isn't that much reason to be had other than having played with ank as scum and town before and just kind of having a feel for what he does as both alignments.
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Post Post #2113 (isolation #218) » Sat Jan 30, 2016 2:16 pm

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ranger
i will work with you to make an expedience wagon happen. can we do that?
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Post Post #2161 (isolation #219) » Sun Jan 31, 2016 6:31 am

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In post 2124, Expedience wrote:
Maybe it was a non-stance, I was just writing down my thoughts.

'kay that's nice

the scumread on phantom is stretched, phantom already said he was phoneposting and not voting is somehow the ultimate scumtell. weak.

I didn't say it was the ultimate scumtell, but it is a scumtell.
I was lynched for doing that before (granted, I was town
, but I think I was lynched for good reason). It's not very hard to vote while phoneposting since you can click a button and it inserts the vote tags.

bolded should be all anyone needs to know it's bullshit


(and how would plot townreading him for joking about something be relevant at all?)

Because he might continue doing that behavior if he sees that he gets townread for it.

haha, what?
he's scum for something he MIGHT do?


the read on ranger is similarly strained (why would it be hard for scumranger to come up with reasons to townread sakura?)

Ranger's read on Sakura was strained in a similar way to how you consider my read on Ranger strained. Main difference is that my read isn't actually strained because of this. She wants to appear consistently pushing the same people so she has trouble explaining her reads on scummy town.

that's a lot of words for NO U

Also, I don't understand why you were giving me shit for the unexplained vote when you explicitly said in another game that people didn't have to give reasons for their reads.

i never said such a thing
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Post Post #2165 (isolation #220) » Sun Jan 31, 2016 6:34 am

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you can tell me why you think his stances are town, because i'm actually thinking they just could be, but they're still pure shit
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Post Post #2167 (isolation #221) » Sun Jan 31, 2016 6:52 am

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yeah, ok i see it

UNVOTE:
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Post Post #2168 (isolation #222) » Sun Jan 31, 2016 7:03 am

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looking through phantom-iso again and there are a couple things but...

In post 1402, PhantomCobalt wrote:Wow I can't believe my turbobus on KT slot actually worked

Was a vi anyway

who the fuck says this after their partner dies...?

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Post Post #2176 (isolation #223) » Sun Jan 31, 2016 7:22 am

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yeah, the couple of things that bugged me:

In post 1732, PhantomCobalt wrote:I'm neutral on the Titus wagon because I find it really hard to read her mhmmhm

the read on titus while she was being wagoned was "neutral" but your read on sakura from day 1 was:

Spoiler:
In post 45, PhantomCobalt wrote:
In post 41, Sakura Hana wrote:
In post 30, Scatterplot wrote:PhantomCobalt is town, though, so there's that! I'm not really interested in the talah wagon.

I don't get it why is PC town?

I like this.

In post 260, PhantomCobalt wrote:Sakura is obv. town for hard stances

In post 277, PhantomCobalt wrote:Sakura is also town for word choice in my gut

In post 308, PhantomCobalt wrote:
In post 296, Ankamius wrote:VOTE: Sakura Hana

You just voted one of my town reads, why?

In post 320, PhantomCobalt wrote:
In post 312, Ankamius wrote:
In post 308, PhantomCobalt wrote:
In post 296, Ankamius wrote:VOTE: Sakura Hana

You just voted one of my town reads, why?


I read Sakura based on her wording and tone together, and it looks very very not-town this game.

I read Sakura based on her wording and tone, I think it's town

In post 337, PhantomCobalt wrote:
In post 334, Trebuchet MS wrote:Ank and Sakura are town too yay

Everyone keep obvtowning this is easy

~Spiffy

I know right


so what was it about titus that was so off putting that you wouldn't give the slot the benefit of the doubt (given your really strong townread on the predecessor)?

also, this:

In post 363, PhantomCobalt wrote:I agree Ashnard is town. I think I've found something that no ones commented on yet but I will explore that later


now that rc is dead, let's come on out w/ that reason.
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Post Post #2177 (isolation #224) » Sun Jan 31, 2016 7:28 am

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/ugh
phantom is pretty obviously scum. i feel kind of dumb now.

VOTE: phantomcobalt
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Post Post #2180 (isolation #225) » Sun Jan 31, 2016 7:34 am

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he didn't say that and yeah, trolling is null
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Post Post #2183 (isolation #226) » Sun Jan 31, 2016 7:37 am

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In post 2179, hiplop wrote:
In post 2175, Wisdom wrote:Scum can troll too, man.

I don't think anyone is going to come into the day saying "I should have bussed my partner"

Plot even mentioned how trolly he is and how he got mislynched for essentially the same thing in her game :\

just...

look at his stance on the sakura slot and how it suddenly changes for no reason once the slot gets wagoned.

also, i was thinking about that kill some more, and it didn't make any sense to me b/c rc was really, really obviously not a pr. but then i saw 363 and so now i see someone else maybe thought he was...

the trolling stuff really isn't that hard to fake when you think about it
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Post Post #2188 (isolation #227) » Sun Jan 31, 2016 7:42 am

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In post 2184, hiplop wrote:This is so fucking scum. Seriously. Complete tone change on the slot. Oppurtunistic as fuck

could also be that she sees the writing on the wall and is changing her tune to not be left off the wagon
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Post Post #2192 (isolation #228) » Sun Jan 31, 2016 7:45 am

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so yep after all that i'm in the same place as spiffeh and wis. if it's not etherplot/phantom, i must have fucked up on a townread somewhere but at that point i would just cry b/c everyone else just looks ridiculously town

JEEZ YOU COULD'VE JUST LET ME DO IT ON MY OWN, JERKS
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Post Post #2198 (isolation #229) » Sun Jan 31, 2016 7:49 am

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princeton?
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Post Post #2199 (isolation #230) » Sun Jan 31, 2016 7:50 am

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or rutgers?

those are the only schools i know in new jersey
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Post Post #2203 (isolation #231) » Sun Jan 31, 2016 7:54 am

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In post 2201, Spiffeh wrote:I don't go to school in NJ

so you must have that time thing from harry potter that makes people be in 2 places at once
and you have a mickey wizard avatar

you're obviously a hogwarts student
it all makes so much sense now
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Post Post #2204 (isolation #232) » Sun Jan 31, 2016 7:55 am

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i always suspected hogwarts was actually in new jersey
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Post Post #2207 (isolation #233) » Sun Jan 31, 2016 7:59 am

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no, phantom is still scum
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Post Post #2212 (isolation #234) » Sun Jan 31, 2016 8:09 am

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mmmmmmmmmmmmm

i don't think i'd buy a pr claim from him anyway
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Post Post #2214 (isolation #235) » Sun Jan 31, 2016 8:11 am

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Post Post #2241 (isolation #236) » Sun Jan 31, 2016 11:03 am

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gotta love those freudian slips
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Post Post #2255 (isolation #237) » Mon Feb 01, 2016 5:30 pm

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VOTE: wis

/stink eye to ranger
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Post Post #2256 (isolation #238) » Mon Feb 01, 2016 5:33 pm

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ok nvm i see a maybe inno
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Post Post #2258 (isolation #239) » Mon Feb 01, 2016 5:42 pm

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In post 2255, Antihero wrote:/stink eye to ranger

and before anyone asks, i was convinced after the d2 flip that ranger was the cop with an inno on sakura and wis and i built my d3 reads around that

now i'm questioning my cheet read which sucks because cheet was the only one not being a turd to me yesterday
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Post Post #2259 (isolation #240) » Mon Feb 01, 2016 5:43 pm

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if that hydra wasted an investigation on me, i will be sad
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Post Post #2262 (isolation #241) » Mon Feb 01, 2016 5:48 pm

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In post 2258, Antihero wrote:and before anyone asks, i was convinced after the d2 flip that
ranger
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and i built my d3 reads around that

bolded for clarity

not going quote hunting right now but i homed in on something ranger said yesterday and i took it to be a cop clear on wis
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Post Post #2399 (isolation #242) » Tue Feb 02, 2016 7:11 am

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VOTE: wis
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Post Post #2405 (isolation #243) » Tue Feb 02, 2016 7:25 am

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In post 2400, Scatterplot wrote:Antihero.

Talk to me. Tell me who you think Spiffeh targeted on Night 1 instead, and I will tell you why it isn't them. ISO Trebuchet and see how they treated Wisdom through Day 1, and then look at what they've said about him ever since. They can't even have targeted a dead person overnight, because nobody died.

I didn't want it to be this way. I took half an hour to go through the stages of "wtf Wisdom can't be town there has to be a way around this." But there isn't one. Trebuchet checked Wisdom on Night 1, and it is completely obvious in every way.

-Ether

wow that is true

...and so sad...
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Post Post #2408 (isolation #244) » Tue Feb 02, 2016 7:28 am

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blitz games suck

never doing this again
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Post Post #2411 (isolation #245) » Tue Feb 02, 2016 7:30 am

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In post 2406, Wisdom wrote:
In post 2396, hiplop wrote:and they are doubtcasting the guy with the fucking innocent (ank)

I already showed why there is no inno on Ank.

why couldn't he have been n2?
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Post Post #2414 (isolation #246) » Tue Feb 02, 2016 7:34 am

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ehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh 2012's a little bit of a stretch

god damn if it's cheet i just fucking quit
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Post Post #2418 (isolation #247) » Tue Feb 02, 2016 7:36 am

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b/c checking top scumreads isn't necessarily optimal cop play
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Post Post #2427 (isolation #248) » Tue Feb 02, 2016 7:41 am

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In post 921, hiplop wrote:Anti convince me.on firebringer? I honestly have never been able to read the guy

In post 924, hiplop wrote:Yea, his "I don't scumhubt" pissed me off but I'm not sure if he just bothers me or if he's scum

In post 929, hiplop wrote:
In post 926, Antihero wrote:that's horseshit, btw. i know firebringer knows how to scumhunt and will do it as town even if he eventually falls into apathy. ppl don't replace into games and then immediately become apathetic though.

Honestly dude I think you might be giving him too much credit. Many games with me he has replaced in and done absolutely nothing, refusing to read the game

these are absolutely the only things that would make me think hiplop is scum so that's the same level of "what the fuck"

hate thishate thishate thishate thishate thishate thishate thishate thishate thishate thishate thishate thishate thishate thishate thishate thishate thishate thishate thishate thishate thishate thishate thishate thishate thishate this
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Post Post #2431 (isolation #249) » Tue Feb 02, 2016 7:45 am

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ank?
really?

ank really fucking knows how to work those buttons this game then and i am seriously losing my touch.
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Post Post #2436 (isolation #250) » Tue Feb 02, 2016 7:53 am

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wis, if expedience ends up being scum, you suck
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Post Post #2487 (isolation #251) » Tue Feb 02, 2016 9:17 am

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vt here
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Post Post #2488 (isolation #252) » Tue Feb 02, 2016 9:20 am

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if rangers scum and snowing me this hard im just going to rip my tongue out and use it as toilet paper
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Post Post #2496 (isolation #253) » Tue Feb 02, 2016 9:42 am

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damn

i suck at this game
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Post Post #2506 (isolation #254) » Tue Feb 02, 2016 5:55 pm

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/fart
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Post Post #2523 (isolation #255) » Thu Feb 04, 2016 9:04 am

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well if its not him that means a lylo of choosing between ranger and cheet and thats a big heaping helping of no thanks

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Post Post #2527 (isolation #256) » Thu Feb 04, 2016 9:16 am

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VOTE: expedience
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Post Post #2531 (isolation #257) » Thu Feb 04, 2016 11:06 am

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In post 2528, Gorkington wrote:i dont really like quickdays.
struggling to think of anything thatd be worth discussing though.
q.q

what are you afraid you wouldnt be here tomorrow?
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Post Post #2534 (isolation #258) » Thu Feb 04, 2016 4:22 pm

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oh ok

so...

today i burned myself with lye and cut myself on broken glass.
BUT
i had a great bowel movement this evening. so overall the events of today balanced out pretty well.

how about everyone else?
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Post Post #2583 (isolation #259) » Fri Feb 05, 2016 1:33 pm

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gg thnx for the hard carry
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Post Post #2584 (isolation #260) » Fri Feb 05, 2016 1:40 pm

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oh yeah and it did cross my mind ranger being mastin. they both write in that "certain sentences get their own single spaced line" thing and they both have a little bit of a smart-ass tinge to their tone sometimes.

i'd nth whoever noms her for rising star or paragon or whatever
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Post Post #2591 (isolation #261) » Fri Feb 05, 2016 1:54 pm

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can we have the scum pt now?

i want to see how many times hiplop drew hearts around my name when he talked about me
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