[OLD] Open Setup Ideas and Discussion

[Lord Gurgi]

How can watchers cross-confirm? Watcher targets mafioso, Mafioso shoots someone. They both claim that the other did something.

[Lord Gurgi]

I don't see what the big fuss is about. JDodge didn't really ruin anything, he just pointed the flaw out in practice instead of raising his concerns. I'm fairly sure that if he had done the latter he would have been ignored. And anyway, the setup he proposed was clearly designed to end quickly while still proving the point.

BTW I agree with shaft.ed. More tried and tested games, less experimental unless thoroughly discussed and approved.

This. Nobody listens to JDodge whining. Heck, I don't, but he's right startlingly more often than he's given credit for.

[Lord Gurgi]

I'm thinking for the next round of games to sign up for to do

Carbon 14

again. I found the game well balance and many enjoyed playing (well except those killed early.)
Discussion on the game is welcomed.

Also saw this game getting 2 or three noms:

Two of Four b9

So again thoughts on both games. Yes or no. Problems or disagreement?

Carbon-14: Seems that massclaim is the best thing to do after nolynch day one. That should keep the town in confirmed players for the rest of the game. It is important that there is no discussion day one, though.

24B9: I don't really see the purpose. It seems like the setup was designed to make a setup that has both cop and doc in a non-broken way. There's no particularly bad element, though it seems like other setups would be better run in its place.

[Lord Gurgi]

I'm thinking for the next round of games to sign up for to do

Carbon 14

again. I found the game well balance and many enjoyed playing (well except those killed early.)
Discussion on the game is welcomed.

Also saw this game getting 2 or three noms:

Two of Four b9

So again thoughts on both games. Yes or no. Problems or disagreement?

Carbon-14: Seems that massclaim is the best thing to do after nolynch day one. That should keep the town in confirmed players for the rest of the game. It is important that there is no discussion day one, though.

This depends on many factors.
Who did the mafia kill that night 1? Counter claiming is the bomb thing to do as scum or claiming said role first.

No lynch without discussion is the best way to preserve both of the investigators. Counterclaiming assures that the scum dies. Then it's just a witch hunt for the last scum. I should also say that whatever happens, counterclaiming is only a good idea for the mafia if there are 5 alive.

[Lord Gurgi]

I'm thinking for the next round of games to sign up for to do

Carbon 14

again. I found the game well balance and many enjoyed playing (well except those killed early.)
Discussion on the game is welcomed.

Also saw this game getting 2 or three noms:

Two of Four b9

So again thoughts on both games. Yes or no. Problems or disagreement?

Carbon-14: Seems that massclaim is the best thing to do after nolynch day one. That should keep the town in confirmed players for the rest of the game. It is important that there is no discussion day one, though.

This depends on many factors.
Who did the mafia kill that night 1? Counter claiming is the bomb thing to do as scum or claiming said role first.

No lynch without discussion is the best way to preserve both of the investigators. Counterclaiming assures that the scum dies. Then it's just a witch hunt for the last scum. I should also say that whatever happens, counterclaiming is only a good idea for the mafia if there are 5 alive.

I figured that the best town tactic is:
no lynch -> cop claim if guilty Else hypocop + no lynch again

Sure.

[Lord Gurgi]

Why are you still trying to push a setup with a cop and a doc? The solution is not to try and weaken one or the other, it's to get rid of one or the other.

How do people feel about:

2 Mafia

1 Cop
5 Townies

Day Start

[Lord Gurgi]

I'd rather have

2 Mafia

1 Doctor
5 Townies,

because the doctor can produce only innocents when a player is saved while the cop can pinpoint scum.

I think a doctor in such a game is too swingy

Or doctors suck altogether. Doctors can keep a mafia-raper like Glork alive.

[Lord Gurgi]

you need to turn mafia-raper into some sort of role now

<snip> No. That's a bad idea.

[Lord Gurgi]

Moo Mafia should die.

Bugs Bunny includes a doc. Thus it should also die.

[Lord Gurgi]

Is Moo completely unbalanced? Can it be tweaked? Is it hopelessly lost simply because it has a doctor to protect power roles?

It's pointlessly complicated. What the heck is a mafia executioner, anyway? What the heck is the hider for? Why is the mafia only two strong going up against that?

[Lord Gurgi]

Doc with no power roles to protect just keeps mafia from killing all the good scumhunters.

Die die die.

[Lord Gurgi]

Is the RB either/or or both?

[Lord Gurgi]

I feel ignored.

[Lord Gurgi]

Ack! Hans! Run!

2 Mafia

1 Hans (Can call the coast guard once to stop the mafia kill, whatever it is)
5 Townies

[Lord Gurgi]

Ack! Hans! Run!

2 Mafia

1 Hans (Can call the coast guard once to stop the mafia kill, whatever it is)
5 Townies

=
2 mafia, 7 town minus nightkill N1

Why use it N1?

[Lord Gurgi]

It's fairly optimal strategy, since Hans is the only power role the Mafia have to worry about killing.

Stopping the night one kill seems to be against the town's interest, since people complain enough as is with one day with no information.

[Lord Gurgi]

I think hans is a really interesting role.

<3

[Lord Gurgi]

Dun like Ack! Hans! Run!

Not sure what the point of the setup is. Also, I don't like roles that require no skill, and Hans is the epitome of such a role. I reckon this comes from differences in our view of the doctor, though.

Bugs Bunny is neat, and I quite like it, but I'd point out that town need two successful protections in order to get an extra day, which is unlikely.

Also, I don't see why no one seconded my nom for friends and enemies. That's such an awesome setup.

Ooo, what if it was:
2 Mafia
1 Hans
1 Hans
5 Townies

Suspense!

[Lord Gurgi]

I like it.

[Lord Gurgi]

Dun like Ack! Hans! Run!

Not sure what the point of the setup is. Also, I don't like roles that require no skill, and Hans is the epitome of such a role. I reckon this comes from differences in our view of the doctor, though.

Bugs Bunny is neat, and I quite like it, but I'd point out that town need two successful protections in order to get an extra day, which is unlikely.

Also, I don't see why no one seconded my nom for friends and enemies. That's such an awesome setup.

Ooo, what if it was:
2 Mafia
1 Hans
1 Hans
5 Townies

Suspense!

I like this better, but two Hans (hansi?) are unbalanced IMO.

How so?

[Lord Gurgi]

Why are you trying to discourage following the cop in a setup when you can just not put a cop in? If you really want to change that meta, change the way the cop works, not the way the town interacts with the cop's information.

[Lord Gurgi]

You should have a goal beyond "messing up" things. Gimmicky setups like that are only annoyances.

[Lord Gurgi]

I like it on its own merits. I think it would be fun. :colbert:

This contrasts with "less experimental setups in the open queue" which I agree with, though. But I don't agree with your dismissive attitude here. :J

It will be battle of the breadcrumbs, it will.