Because the original setup was 0-2 cops, and i think it's good to have at least one role where you can fakeclaim it and not immediately get counterclaimed if there's a real one. Also, because tracker is probably the most useful of those. I could see 0-2 nightwatchmen too, but the problem there is number of power roles total- the most there can possibly be in a new c9 is seven. There are up to eight there, adding more probably isn't a good idea.PokerFace wrote: Why up to 2 trackers and only 1 max of everything else?
Any mafia power roles?
And? The miller isn't there to hurt the town. The other roles are equally confirmable, and more useful. Heck, the idea is that town gets two non-townie roles. The point of the miller is to mitigate follow-the-cop. I like that setup, and not just because i invented it. That said, your setup's pretty cool.shaft.ed wrote:Been thinking about the Two of Four concept. Basically the Miller hurts scum because it makes a confirmed innocent towards end game if not countered. Thus forcing scum into a 50/50 situation at massclaim.
Eye C9 has two roles that have basically half the chance of a cop of catching scum, and can't confirm innocents, though they have the advantage over a cop of not both being able to die in one night. So I can't see how it's harder for scum, than, say, California.shaft.ed wrote:Nominate JK9
I think Eye C9 is too harsh on scum
Interesting point. That setup is just a jumping-off point for discussion atm, since i'm wondering if it's massclaim-susceptible at the moment. The optimal act given MC there, i think, is for the cop enabler to CC cop. Which then, depending on whether the cop or enabler gets lynched, either leaves 2:8 (possibly plus a vigkill), with a confirmed townie and a vig who can shoot once more (assume scum shoot the doc) or 2:7 with dead doc and cop, and a vig who can shoot once more (since if the real cop is lynched, the vig assuredly shoots the enabler). Or does it even pay for town to keep both alive in that scenario?Alduskkel wrote:I wonder at what point it would be correct play for the Scum to NK one of their own.
I had the same thought when I ruminated on this, actually. Leaves 10-2 with the vig, and a doc which can't do anything but is a confirmed innocent if not counterclaimed (and 1-1 for a role which can't do anything isn't worth it). Which is balanced. And since the cop can almost certainly do better than this by waiting, then it's probably not broken.Socrates wrote:If the cop claims, the doc enabler should counterclaim him (or possibly get the drop on him by claiming first), that way if the counter fails, then the doc is disabled and the scum are free to kill the cop. two power roles dealt with for the price of 1 scum in even the worst case scenario (and even better if the scum is believed) seems like an even trade.
I hope that game gets chosen, because I would love to play it.
We've discussed this a few pages back... seems like the best player for the scum to claim cop with is the doc enabler. Then, if the cop counterclaims, doc enabler is lynched, cop is shot, and you're left with 2-8, with vig and what is effectively an Earl. Or use the doc enabler to cc if the actual cop claims .(In fact, best town tactic if doc enabler claims cop is probably to claim the role and the investigation FIRST THING ON DAY TWO. I don't really see a downside to this for town, unless the delay in counterclaim makes the cop not believed- then again, i suppose if this was the accepted practice, scum could hold off and cc a cop on day two as well).zoraster wrote:
Cop Enabler claims cop to start? or vig enabler does so. busses his teammate the cop enabler. actually seems pretty interesting for fake claims. almost incentivizes them.
Isn't that true of ANY 12p setup with a cop?Mr. Flay wrote:Sorry, I meant swingy in that if you play it several times, the way the roles interact/survive is going to vastly change the balance each time. Which is the case for C9/F11/any number of other setups too, just it's not necessarily obvious in this one. I would think that it's actually swingier from the Mafia's side - if they hit the Cop N1, they're in extremely good position.
No. Doubling the number of town and scum gives town longer to work out connections etc, and also doubling the already pretty large number of power roles... it would massively skew the game in favour of town.Nobody Special wrote: Along the lines of the Ninja Mafia setup, could C9++ be doubled and run as a Large?
Tragedy wrote:Lover's Mayhem
2 Mafias
8 Town Lovers
Silly Mafias can't be lovers, as a Nightless game.
Mwahehehe. This would most likely favor Mafias if they can lover-death-dodge, while Town are the silly mafia catchers.
