JacksonVirgo's Mini Normal Review, December 2020
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JacksonVirgo they/himSurvivorthey/him
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Some contextmaybe necessary to understand the concept. MS's meta leans towards Millers claiming D1 to be believed effectively, whereas this setup flips that on it's head by essentially incentivizing it to stay hidden to have the Cop be effective but also have a false-positive result that will effectively get eliminated if they're checked. So it's either they claim and lose the Cops abilities which won't likely happen in practice or they don't claim and risk getting red-checked and eliminated (miller would likely either die or be claimed prior to lylo). I can definitely see the swing in this setup, that's why I suggested two versions to try and minimize it as best I can taking into consideration my experience designing setups.
the worst helped balance this setup prior to submitting it, credit where credit is due-
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Wouldn't an ungated Cop make a setup have more swing than an Even-Night Cop? Mafia would likely gun for the Cop regardless so I think it isn't an issue. On the other hand, I don't think telling Mafia explicitly that the Cop is gated in addition to the Enabler is a good idea as it gives too much setup information than what they should have.-
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JacksonVirgo they/himSurvivor
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JacksonVirgo they/himSurvivorthey/him
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JacksonVirgo they/himSurvivorthey/him
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JacksonVirgo they/himSurvivorthey/him
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JacksonVirgo they/himSurvivorthey/him
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Oh neat!! I feel like I did a good job with this one ahahaIn post 15, Isis wrote:i'd probably pass the setup as-is if I was primary-
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Wait how is it punished less?In post 18, Isis wrote:
It dents the conceit of the setup a lot since claiming miller day1 is punished less. But it seems fine.In post 16, JacksonVirgo wrote:Would Odd-Night Cop be a better fit and make the JKer Novice so they get at least one check? Mafia is very unlikely to hit a Cop check.-
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Ah I seeIn post 20, Isis wrote:If I understand enabler properly, a D1 miller claim means the miller is NKed night one but the cop gets one investigation that occurs the same night. With even night, there's no investigations at all.
It's fine though.-
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I do think the VCop should be gated now that you've brought it up. Are you saying that having a 1-shot OR a Novice 2-shot is your choices? Is there a reason why you said 1-shot instead of 2-shot because I think a plain 2-shot would probably be better overall. Compulsive Novice 2-shot Cop is fine as well (I don't really like the look of N2 N3 Cop lol).-
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I've fixed up the other points but what does this mean exactly?In post 26, Ircher wrote:6) Town role pms should likely have the win conditions listed, especially since the mafia ones do.-
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Honestly never thought of it but I will definitely add that.In post 29, Isis wrote:Actually maybe you should think about designing that into your tool? Like the membership of the scumteam is a piece of information you could set one time, then the mafia role PMs could automatically print the list, excluding the member receiving the PM. It's something to automate.-
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That should be everything needed? Also if there's discrepencies with the role cards I apologize, I've found a few kinks in my tool that I'm going to be sorting out ASAP ahaha-
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JacksonVirgo they/himSurvivorthey/him
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