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[nomnomnom]

I'm glad to see you had defense mechanisms ready before I even said anything though. Did I hit a nerve?

[nomnomnom]

VOTE: Panth

[nomnomnom]

what's funny about that?

You went from "I AM NOT MOVING FROM NOM" into randomly following a DEB wagon that made no sense despite advocating for my lynch for a while and now lurking p. much all conversations without ever giving input

[nomnomnom]

lol ok nice reads btw

[nomnomnom]

methinks you got scared at the prospect of getting shot and you voted for someone else

[nomnomnom]

Have I really played like shit? I've kinda been at the center of attention constantly and deflected 3 mislynch attempts from me, helped a survivor lynch. I don't think I played bad at all.

[nomnomnom]

Wow you're so good at avoiding death and killing slots that are not part of the informed minority. Wow how are you so good at playing this game.

The idea of me being on your radar to shoot clearly did not just occur to me. Why didn't I unvote you then?

I just find it weird this fixation on me being the fault that this game is going so wrong? It's like not only people are saying I'm scummy and that I should die for the entire game but also that I'm bad and the reason we're losing? lol

[nomnomnom]

I don't wanna think about Ank being scum because if I have to get into a 1v1 with Ank I'll lose. Her recent posting is really bad, but it begs the question why did she basically save the nom wagon. And while yes EC can make those notes as scum really, he doesn't need to.

There are many political reasons, and on top of that I am not really the strongest town player in this list and it keeps me as a mislynch.

If you're sure about the gamestate leading to another town lynch it's almost entirely worth it to do this for scum!ank

[nomnomnom]

I'd be pushing it real hard if I 100% knew where I'd shoot but I don't, so I'm avoiding this disaster.

[nomnomnom]

Like trust me I don't even want to play this game but the thing is that my shot here is kind of important and can potentially change the whole game so yeah.

[nomnomnom]

That's not entirely true, I have a good idea of who I want to flip the most in this playerlist. But still.

[nomnomnom]

What makes you think that?

[nomnomnom]

What did I miss regarding nom? How did that not happen?

Spoiler:

Now EP is voting my biggest townread?

escaping death over and over again

[nomnomnom]

Paraphrased from MathBlade:
@Boonskiies, what are your reads on the people pushing nom? Too many are pushing them, and it is starting to feel like a scum lynch that could lead to venging a top townread. Besides, nom is the only one talking reads. This could be a game killer. Can you and/or Ank start talking about reads? You two are my top townreads right now. Go Go Townblock FL, Ank and A50!

also wth is that post you're aware that you are also pushing me right

[nomnomnom]

@nom do you think FB is town?

Yeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah??? question mark???

[nomnomnom]

VOTE: Ank
And to say I had you pegged as scum early on day 1 lol

[nomnomnom]

You know

it's been a few towngames when my very first impression on a slot has been the correct one.

I should give myself more credit.

[nomnomnom]

When Ank flips scum, the game is almost certainly solved by the way.

[nomnomnom]

told u kuribo was scum.

this shit is so fake.

how do you explain ank's slip

[nomnomnom]

I am suddenly scum okay lol

Ank you're really bad at this

[nomnomnom]

lynching nom when there's one scum left is optimal regardless

That's not what you think at beginning of the day hahahaha

You are REALLY bad at this lmao

[nomnomnom]

Ank explain how I suddenly became scum to you I really want to hear this

[nomnomnom]

But you said I was in the scumteam, not any of that stuff lol

Am I town or scum

[nomnomnom]

Ank explain how I suddenly became scum to you I really want to hear this

god the irony of this is so amazing.

nom doesn't even see it

There was a massive slip that was deflected and there was nothing of substance that even came close to explain it.
Ank is acting like in that one scumgame I saw of her.
She's been defeatist since day 1 which is not in her towngames at all.

Explain to me how Ank is town.

pedit: you still are not answering the question: Am I town or scum?

[nomnomnom]

Then why am I scum?

[nomnomnom]

There was a massive slip that was deflected and there was nothing of substance that even came close to explain it.

yeah, I don't buy that you actually believe this.

Oh but I do. People suddenly knowing details is something I put a lot of priorities on over my feelings because later in games I tend to have extremely muddied feelings about everything. This is the kind of thing that is more rational to hang onto, and it wasn't explained in any rational manner, and now you are acting defeatist and ultra defensive again, which is I believe extremely scummy considering that everytime you have been under the spotlight you have been using the same line over and over again.

[nomnomnom]

Like Ank, I actually believe you don't approach this game the same way when you are free of suspicion and when people actually start suspecting you. When it's the latter you just shut down, say stuff like "oh no I am getting BoPed" or "oh no town is going to lose" and constant shit like that. Remember how you said that you thought I was town because I handled you the same way regardless of how you read me and how people read me? Yeah, I actually believe I scumread you because you are not consistent with that yourself.

pedit: Okay, then show me why ank is town according to you

[nomnomnom]

FL what do you think of Ank's slip and how she's reacting rn

[nomnomnom]

Because when I see someone mad and raging at me and at same time pointing out that they know I am baiting them. I go "well a person who is able to recognize I am baiting them should not actually get this angry. Because when you are angry your judgement is clouded and you aren't able to see things logically".

this is not game related but there's this thing called emotions and "rational" isn't the term I'd use to describe them

[nomnomnom]

Because when I see someone mad and raging at me and at same time pointing out that they know I am baiting them. I go "well a person who is able to recognize I am baiting them should not actually get this angry. Because when you are angry your judgement is clouded and you aren't able to see things logically".

this is not game related but there's this thing called emotions and "rational" isn't the term I'd use to describe them

that's kind of my point. The fact kuribo can rationally pick out something and figure out what I was trying to do. Then the next minute spew of with more "I AM SO ANGRY". Tells me. "Ohh that aint real'.

personally I don't enjoy when people go out of their way to purposefully try to anger me, so even if the thing in question doesn't anger me I feel it's malicious coming from the person if it's not clearly a friendly joke

[nomnomnom]

to be fair it is weird that FB only came in thread to tell me I'm wrong about Ank.

In fact the only thing I remember about FB is him calling me stupid everytime I say some reads.

Maybe there's something there.

[nomnomnom]

I'm pretty sure I can go through your ISO and pull up at least 10 different posts where you call me straight up stupid so yes

[nomnomnom]

Dw FL we finally agree on something for once. We both think the other player is scum and we're not voting each other.

However, I think pushing ank for a 'slip' is weka. When you can ya know, push her for other things.

I'm pushing her because everytime she gets pushed she puts up this AtE defeatist thing. Like even day 1, she did it and said she was getting BoP'd. Everytime she gets suspected she mentions town is going to lose. Is that townie to you?

[nomnomnom]

FB by the way it makes total sense to give me a vig shot if both you and Ank are scum because you are not under heavy suspicion after lynching me yesterday and I have more chances to get it wrong if I both read you town, which I said I was.

You even asked me who I wanted to lynch in the ho-

...I think I got it. HAHAHA. IT'S SO OBVIOUS! HOLY SHIT

[nomnomnom]

FIREBRINGER ASKED ME WHO I WANTED TO LYNCH IN THE HOOD THEN I GET A VENGE SHOT AND GET PUSHED.

HOLY SHIT THAT EUREKA MOMENT, HE ALSO SAID HE FORGOT ABOUT OUR COMMUTING ACTION!!!!!

[nomnomnom]

I said I wanted to push FL in the hood so... if I am right, then FB and Ank are scum, and FL is town.

[nomnomnom]

I just realized how off-sounding it is for Fb to ask me who I want to lynch in the hood when he doesn't give an absolute shit in the day thread. I just realized all these things thinking about it.

FB is scum and so is Ank.

[nomnomnom]

So FB why would you give a shit about who, me, the absolute idiot according to you, would want to lynch

THIS IS A REAL CONUNDRUM

pedit: HAHAHAHAHA

VOTE: FB

[nomnomnom]

THE ABSOLUTE STATE OF THE SCUMTEAM RIGHT NOW

THEIR PT RN

[nomnomnom]

Ank I think you should seriously be considering lynching FB right now lol

[nomnomnom]

If I need to be 100% honest right now I would feel way more comfortable lynching FB for this series of events tbh

pedit: I just wanted a reaction

[nomnomnom]

Also FL are you seriously not going to vote ank or fb

[nomnomnom]

@nom if you think Ank and FB are scum, you should vote Ank today. We can free up A50 to vig, which forces scum to pick between dave, the doctors, and A50.

Fine
VOTE: Ank
A50 please shoot FB

[nomnomnom]

FL I really don't know what to think about Panth or Maria but one thing is sure, when we get scum flips this game solves itself easily.

There's a reason why scums decided to give me a venge shot and that my lynch was hard pushed today, and that it's they believe they need one more mislynch to reach a wincondition, AND that they believed I would shoot wrong. This all aligns imo.

[nomnomnom]

We're not lynching FL today not in a million years, I disagree with this.

[nomnomnom]

my belief is that scums are seeing the danger and trying to flash lynch FL

this game has pretty intense bleeds in activity spikes and tends to only really spike in activity in situations where certain slots are discussed.

[nomnomnom]

my belief is that scums are seeing the danger and trying to flash lynch FL

this game has pretty intense bleeds in activity spikes and tends to only really spike in activity in situations where certain slots are discussed.

It would be so much easier if you were scum Nom it rly would and it pains me to see. Like the whole angle you're on right now is just...No

You really don't think I have a point? This gamestate was crafted so that I would be lynched today and use my shot wrong.
According to this gamestate and the complete bleed of activity when the topic was "do we lynch nom" versus what's happening now with EP pushing Ank, do you really believe there isn't anything there? Use your head two seconds. It's obvious that things are not going as expected for whoever created this gamestate and they're trying to rectify it now.

[nomnomnom]

Uuuuuuuuuuuh

[nomnomnom]

Lmao, now I have FL in the doctor hood telling MariaR he needs her vote on Ank.

Is this some next level attempt at derailing an Ank wagon? Or did FL just slip??

I'm not sure I understand

[nomnomnom]

no it's just I have to admit I forgot hood configs lol so I want to know what you consider a slip here

[nomnomnom]

I agree that scum were super comfortable with the gamestate and giving you the venge shot. Who were the people pushing for your lynch again? (Gamma/A50/Ank/who) but I don’t think I fully get what you mean by. ‘Fire slipped in our pt’

Panth was also pushing my lynch.

I think there was no slip, but the point I was making is that FB said in our hood "now what?" expecting me to say something. I thought he was asking about who I was commuting so I said "I'm voting Ank". He said "I don't support this", then I clarified that I wanted to commute ank and that I wanted FL. It's just odd that he was asking me for stuff in PT when he genuinely thinks I'm bad at the game, and the day after we have a gamestate where I have a vengeshot and asked immediately to use it, so that conversation gives me pause.

[nomnomnom]

Also to note that he said he forgot about the commute, so he clearly was prodding for who I wanted to vote the next day. I believe that he talked this way to prod me in a not-so-obvious way which is probably why I only remembered this now.

I think this was asked to see if setting up this gamestate was safe or not.

[nomnomnom]

I agree that scum were super comfortable with the gamestate and giving you the venge shot. Who were the people pushing for your lynch again? (Gamma/A50/Ank/who) but I don’t think I fully get what you mean by. ‘Fire slipped in our pt’

Panth was also pushing my lynch.

I think there was no slip, but the point I was making is that FB said in our hood "now what?" expecting me to say something. I thought he was asking about who I was commuting so I said "I'm voting Ank". He said "I don't support this", then I clarified that I wanted to commute ank and that I wanted FL. It's just odd that he was asking me for stuff in PT when he genuinely thinks I'm bad at the game, and the day after we have a gamestate where I have a vengeshot and asked immediately to use it, so that conversation gives me pause.

Had he asked you about who to vote beforehand or was that the first real level of him asking these kinds of questions?
pedit: I'm just as confused as you are buddy.

These were the only posts in our PT.
FB didn't give a shit about this game on day 3 and you can check this for yourself. He has never asked me anything on day 3 about what I thought of this game, and if I am wrong, please bring me this attention.

I did say in the PT the first time he asked me "now what?" that I needed a night to think about stuff. He prodded me once more with "did sleeping help with thinking", so he REALLY wanted me to answer his question. It's not like he was disinterested and "only trying to make conversation" as he's saying. I believe this was deliberate prodding to know who I was thinking about lynching, so they would see who I would use my shot for, if I had the chance to. That's what I believe right now.

[nomnomnom]

Ank and FB are the two most likely people to set this gamestate up. The only question is who else would feel so good about giving me a venge shot. I did say I was townreading both FB and Ank many times. It's just a matter of figuring out who else would agree to this.

[nomnomnom]

FL can you remind me which hood you're in and with who I have a short memory

pedit: It's not a bad play. The reason they gave me this shot is because they believe that I would shoot wrong and bring town's clock closer to defeat. You have to remember that there's also a vig shot coming into play soon so me using a shot effectively bring town closer to defeat if I get this wrong. I also believe Ank is scared of me when I reach the lategame. She knows that during the midgame I am too erratic, but she has seen how solvey I get when we reach the later stages of the game. You also have to remember that FB getting vengeful is only really useful when he gets lynched, which I believe the scumteam doesn't want that to happen.

pedit: because then FB gets insta lynched for it which is bad for scum and it brings the game to evens anyway which is not good for scums

[nomnomnom]

Like for you to understand why I didn't just straight up got nightkilled, you have to relook back at how this day started and then you will understand why scums wouldn't want to give another scum a venge shot

pedit: okay, so that's even more reasons to give me the venge. If I shoot FL and he's town, it effectively removes the doctor hood. I think I'm starting to piece all of this together

[nomnomnom]

Actually you know there's perhaps a sort of counter theory to this where A50 EP and FB are all scums together

[nomnomnom]

I don't know, but there's definitely a scum agenda to giving someone else a vig shot.

regardless I feel a bit better about a FB lynch for that reason

[nomnomnom]

I don't know, but there's definitely a scum agenda to giving someone else a vig shot.

regardless I feel a bit better about a FB lynch for that reason

what?

well in a world where EP and A50 are both scums it makes sense for EP to find any reason to lynch you and advocate for your lynch for multiple days so scums get an additional shot

It's just a random thought but it makes sense. I don't believe it makes sense otherwise because vig shots are HELLA strong

[nomnomnom]

connections but yes it doesn't make much sense

[nomnomnom]

Ah my head

can we just vote scumpuppy up

[nomnomnom]

Shoot nom lynch kuribo

funniest post so far

still no mention of FB which is funny

[nomnomnom]

Also top lol about EP not being in your shoot and you randomly choose Kuribo when you actually went in a 1v1 against EP ok my friend

[nomnomnom]

"I WILL JUST THROW READS AND HOPE PEOPLE THINK I AM GENUINE"

[nomnomnom]

I feel like nom and kuribo like hard outed so this game should actually be a joke to solve after they both flip

still no explanation about why I am scum lol

Ank do you realize how bad this looks

[nomnomnom]

vote me then nom

I am already on you but I'm considering going on FB.

[nomnomnom]

What about your Ank stuff??

If we're lynching someone else than Ank, it's FB.

[nomnomnom]

Yeah I agree. I just think it's just better to lynch FB in that case though, I demonstrated clear logic as to why he's scum. This gamestate is the proof of it.

VOTE: FB

[nomnomnom]

Yeah I agree. I just think it's just better to lynch FB in that case though, I demonstrated clear logic as to why he's scum. This gamestate is the proof of it.

VOTE: FB

How does the gamestate prove FB is scum?

And further, if we're looking at FL+Maria vs Ank, why vote outside of that?

The reason gobble suggested killing you was because I told him a MariaR lynch would probably be tough to get through today. Killing you and having you venge her achieves the same result, albeit in an inefficient manner.

I explained a few pages ago, just before you told me to lynch ank so a50 gets a vig shot.

[nomnomnom]

Wow that was like 20 pages of actual nothing

did we read the same pages

[nomnomnom]

I mean there were 2 potential slips and discussions about this gamestate, and also a lot of movement which is kinda important don't you think

[nomnomnom]

Can we vote FB now

[nomnomnom]

It is very important that we lynch the scum within the roleblocking hood first, because then we run the lowest risk of the Vigilante shot getting roleblocked if we hit a situation where we are afforded one in this game. If we do get a vig shot, it is always on nomnomnom first. Otherwise, we lynch her after flipping the other scum slots.

this literally contradicts everything you've said previously

I think you might be a bit on bullshit mode tbh

[nomnomnom]

tldr?

[nomnomnom]

Can we please lynch fb now

[nomnomnom]

Can we lynch FB now

[nomnomnom]

Spoiler: Almost50 posts about nom

I don't think nomnom/volxen is SvS therefore if volxen is ever the scum slot in that duality, I don't want to get it wrong because I feel like today lynch is going to determine a lot of what happens in day 3. I want the replacement to actually play the game. Replace him with someone that can be minimally active at least, we've enough low posters in this large game.

I like your talk more than your action!! If you truly believe in what you say above, then why the hell are you voting nomnom already? Has the replacement for Colxen even been introduced yet, let alone post?? Have you decided that when they do step in they're going to be townie enough for you to decide nom is the scum of the two? I don't get the vote AND the talk in the very same post!!

Nomnom or FB should be the lynch today.

If not either of them, let’s go Chennis.

FL, are you scum? I mean, if you are I white flag. I know I won't be able to lynch you.

If you're Town though, tell me how chenn looks worse than Ank here. Also tell me what the fuck was nom thinking killing Volpe of all people, and especially so when he had said to lynch her next if he died in the PT they both sharem which FB has just reported?

I mean, judging by THIS GAME I could see GIF/FB as a scum slot, but the NSG flip makes it a bit less likely. I mean, how likely is it for a team to roll 2 scum roles anyway? What's the probability?

Hey almost, you're townreading nom right? I skimmed your iso a bit and saw it seemed like it was mostly from the volpe nightkill - can you explain that for me or if you've got other reasons for it lay that out for me? I'd agree that volpe isn't likely what nom-scum would want if you ignored the rest of a scumteam existing, but he was also one of the more highly townread people in the game at the time too.

Well, by tone.. by stances.. by her anger.. I mean, everything points to her being town here. I even searched her previous games and linked a scum game in our PT, and asked Ank to show me what similarities she sees in nom's play here to that game, and I don't think I got an answer from Ank.

Game I linked

Can someone please show me similarities to nom's play in that game and her play in this game?

So I put some in a spoiler, but these are generally why you're townreading nom, right Almost?

Here's another scum game she played within the same month of that where I think she shows genuine irritation as scum (a lot of minor irritation stuff on the 2nd page of her iso, and this earlier in the game viewtopic.php?f=2&t=80157&user_select%5 ... &start=200

GUYS STOP FUCKING ASKING ME TRIVIAL QUESTIONS FUCK YOU ALL
I DONT WANNA DISCUSS ABOUT THIS GAME JUST LEAVE ME ALONE
by the way here's a trivia check about illiteracy

There's also one of her more recent town games here: viewtopic.php?f=51&t=81123 where she got lynched earlier but didn't go completely berserk over it. I read over a good chunk of her iso there around when I changed my read on her day 3 (of this game) so I don't have a perfect recollection of it now, but it looks like she was wrong about the d1 mafia flip but seemed genuinely helpful and tried a lot harder there than she has been for most of the game here.

I don't think it's hard to change up scum play from game to game - I don't mind if you don't go DEEP into the town game I linked b/c frankly I think meta is mostly garbage anyway, but if you could at least skim over her iso there and tell me if that's what you expected nom-town play to look like (and if you still think nom is town here given that, why you think those match up) I'd appreciate it.

"I tried doing some meta and my reasoning is that nom MAYBE CHANGED HER PLAYSTYLE FROM THOSE GAMES"?
Also comparing 2 of my games isn't good enough to get a grip of my town and scumgame and people should realize already that my mental state is irrelevant to what role PM I have

[nomnomnom]

Honestly people are getting stuck at very small things in my games I don't even know why

unrelated but DEB isn't talking

I think I'm no longer comfortable with an Ank lynch and I want FB. Maybe somewhere else.

[nomnomnom]

Why are people so opposed to lynching FB go damn

[nomnomnom]

"it's everyone else's fault"

[nomnomnom]

VOTE: Ank
Whatever

[nomnomnom]

I'm half tempted to vote myself so I can shoot wherever I want tbh this is starting to make me feel irritated

[nomnomnom]

can I have a list of people who said they would vote DEB these last days I'm actually curious

UNVOTE:

[nomnomnom]

can I have a list of people who said they would vote DEB these last days I'm actually curious

UNVOTE:

I'll gladly start that ball rolling.

Unvote

Vote: Dr. Easy Bake

I'm not talking about voting I'm asking for a list of people that said they would vote DEB
it's for analysis

[nomnomnom]

I'm not talking about voting I'm asking for a list of people that said they would vote DEB
it's for analysis

imagine if people had to actually put in the effort to do their own analysis and make decisions based off of it

what a tragic world that would be

I'm lazy

[nomnomnom]

VOTE: DEB

[nomnomnom]

You wanna venge kill someone Nomnom?

Don’t have to say who.

I want it on your terms. I don’t feel like DEB flips scum here.

I don't fucking know dude

[nomnomnom]

the fuck are we supposed to do man

[nomnomnom]

honestly it'd be awful if DEB ended up not scum because it's such a low info flip

fuuuuck dude I can't do this UNVOTE:

[nomnomnom]

Yo FL if you were me where would you shoot

I don't wanna be pessimistic but it looks like time is against me

[nomnomnom]

I have a good idea of where to shoot. This game needs one shoot between these two precise slots. If I hit correctly I open the whole game up I feel like.

[nomnomnom]

Yeah, I think I've made my decision.

Should we just do it? Honestly I'm going for the high info flip so

[nomnomnom]

Well didn't you want to vote me FL? Do it.

I give you my permission to vote me

[nomnomnom]

what's the number of votes on me?

[nomnomnom]

To self vote or not to self vote

[nomnomnom]

Alright, let's just do it
VOTE: nomnom

Shoot: Maria

This is the high info flip
Good luck

[nomnomnom]

if this flips scum the game is pretty much solved, just get some VCA going

[nomnomnom]

such an overreaction

[nomnomnom]

you must be a delight at movie sets hahaha

[nomnomnom]

I just figured the most likely scums are the ones letting everything go on. Maria has been shaky with all her reads and letting the gamestate go on a few times. If there's a silent scum it's her, really.

If she's not scum you guys should look at Ank, but if she is I basically saved this game lol

[nomnomnom]

you're welcome love you xoxo

[nomnomnom]

well I should have shot Ank

[nomnomnom]

That scum PT was a fun read lol

[nomnomnom]

conclusion:
always lynch me

true conclusion:
I probably should start establishing reads on people the same way I play vig/vengeful it seems to work pretty well