Secret Hitler (Liberal victory!)

[Korina]

/in
Just remind me on discord

[Korina]

I'm present, ig. I'd prefer to play 7p, not 6p.

[Korina]

Did you send Ircher a role or no?

[Korina]

Ok, I'm not gonna play under that account for the actual game. I wasn't gonna ask for a reroll if Ircher didn't show up, but, since he did, I'm gonna play seriously.

[Korina]

I was hitty last game and now I'm lib, sad times. I kinda wanna play under Untitled Goose, ngl.

[Korina]

Ok, theory: NAJON and Ircher are fasc, they didn't claim lib.

[Korina]

No, a few people did.

[Korina]

Your theory is correct. it

[Korina]

No, you can't nom RC

[Korina]

Yes, you can't be nom'd chans if you were last chans or pres.

[Korina]

If there's 5 people left, you can nom last pres, but that's it.

[Korina]

Your theory is correct. it

reminder

[Korina]

my theory was najon/ircher scumteam

[Korina]

I'm going to actively refuse anything with Ircher/NAJON.

[Korina]

Ok, theory: NAJON and Ircher are fasc, they didn't claim lib.

Your theory is correct. it

[Korina]

No, we do not play NAJON.

[Korina]

nom rc

[Korina]

Ok, theory: NAJON and Ircher are fasc, they didn't claim lib.

Your theory is correct. it

[Korina]

^ That Ausuka

[Korina]

Ircher has not said anything else regarding it.

[Korina]

Ok fasc

[Korina]

Ircher has said nothing else regarding it since I started pushing it.
Why does Lib!Ircher ignore that?

[Korina]

Lib!Ircher has zero reason to ignore me pushing that. If they're lucky, they lock out a fasc from it, but odds are they lock out two libs.

[Korina]

You're fasc. You can't change my mind on this. The fact you said my theory is true, and you're actively ignoring it now is scummy af.
Lib!You has zero reason to do so.

[Korina]

Plus drawing RRR this early, after drawing two red is very questionable.

[Korina]

Sure, there's eleven reds, but like, that seems questionable af.

[Korina]

This hand tells a lot though. If we draw another RRR, one of {Ircher, Korina} is lying more or less.

[Korina]

I don't think "your theory is true" is an accidental post either.

[Korina]

Also, Ircher wanted to nom me as chans after I quoted their "your theory is true" post which is ???

[Korina]

GET FUCKED IRCHER AND NAJON

2L 1F

[Korina]

You always force in those situations.

[Korina]

LMAO NAJON, RC GOT TWO BLUES

[Korina]

No, because this is not how I play fascist at all.
I openwolf in 5/6p games.

[Korina]

I heavily openwolf. I flatout claim fasc and fuck the gamestate that way. This is not Fasc!Korina fucking the gamestate. This is Lib!Korina having figured out two fasc.

pedit: I openwolf, meaning I openly act scummy af

[Korina]

Agreed with RC. I'd rather get a triangle going at this point.

[Korina]

Ok, NAJON. There is no fear of me being lynched here. The only fear of dying I have is via the gun, which requires four policies to enact. If I'm not hitler, I have no fear of being shot and losing, so I openwolf. If I'm liberal here, and I am, I'm truthful about that. If I'm fascist here, the only way that's a lie is if I'm hitler.

pedit: Korina is either lib or hitty here. Not normal fasc.

[Korina]

there's actually very little evidence that you're town mechanically as opposed to based on play because if you know i'm town anyway and we know you had 2ls what you chose to pass doesn't mean a whole lot

That's why I said hitty. Lib!Korina and Hitty!Korina play similarly enough, but with subtle differences. Mostly in how I interact with my partner.

[Korina]

FMPOV: Najon and Ircher are fasc. One of them neined, the other ja'd. Look at my pres election. Who neined? Najon and Ircher.

[Korina]

Najon jaing that is weird regardless. Pine is ok to ja his own prop, but not Najon.

pedit: Yea, that's fine. I'm 99.9% sure you're lib, so it's whatever. We still have two lib left in the deck.

[Korina]

No, that's bad. You want less hands touching the deck, not more. The more that touch, the more that can be dropped.

[Korina]

If three people touch, and how many blues that show up are wrong, we have smaller of a pool than say five.

[Korina]

We should only really have new people touch if we find a fasc within the four who've touched. That's why I nom'd RC as well.

pedit: No.
NAJON, Ircher, Korina, RC, Pine, Ausuka would've touched versus NAJON, Ircher, Korina, RC.

[Korina]

all players touch that, versus four.

[Korina]

Actually I think Ausuka played, so, five hands versus six. It's marginally better for libs to not have pine play that.

[Korina]

Yes, but the less people who touch the deck, the better.

We have seventeen cards, and if we have five people draw from it, there's more chances to lose cards, versus say three people drawing from it.

[Korina]

5R, 3B @Ausuka

[Korina]

RRB
RRR
RBB

[Korina]

Obviously, which is why I'm saying NAJON/Ircher did it. Just nom someone though.

[Korina]

Yea, I have my scumteam, so like, I don't think you getting RRR fucks it. It's only if NAJON confs with you.

[Korina]

claims pls

[Korina]

Alright. So we have 3R, 2B left, assuming no drops.

[Korina]

Najon/Korina confs 100% of the time.

[Korina]

I'm scumreading Najon, they're scumreading me. If somehow we're both libs, that doesn't conf, but the odds of that are low.

[Korina]

Ok, but if Najon/Korina confs, Najon is the clear fascist here.
Hitty!Korina doesn't conf on this. Lib!Korina doesn't conf on this. Fasc!Korina confs on this though, but I'm not playing to Fasc!Korina.

[Korina]

I can only be hitty or lib on this, not normal fasc.

[Korina]

Why are you ok with Najon so much Ircher? What have they done that's making you TR them?

[Korina]

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Check that game I played under Vex to this game.

[Korina]

Vex is a more serious/exaggerated version of my own playstyle. I was fascist in that game.

[Korina]

Even though this is a marathon, my playstyle would still be relatively similar.

[Korina]

Ircher, please explain why you like NAJON so much.
Pine give reads.

[Korina]

IRCHER, EXPLAIN WHY YOU LIKE NAJON SO MUCH

[Korina]

Explain why NAJON is town right here Pine.

[Korina]

I'm going to assume Ircher isn't going to ever explain their reads, so anything involving them is an auto-nein from me.
Pine could be town, but I'm waiting on why they like NAJON.

[Korina]

IRCHER FOR THE LOVE OF FUCKING GOD EXPLIAN WHY YOU LIKE NAJON SO MUCH

[Korina]

Because the last one was forced.

[Korina]

If NAJON didn't play lib, they outted.

[Korina]

Ok, Ircher is auto-nein from now on. Cool.

[Korina]

You are basically confirmed lib RC.
If that confs, it means NAJON is automatically lying.

[Korina]

The first one passes because why the fuck do you conflict turn one? Yes, it happens, but NAJON has shown they're not really that experienced with the game; therefore, they don't conf.

[Korina]

Conflict. It means you claim one thing, but RC claims something contridictory.

For example, two fasc, one lib, passed into two fasc.

[Korina]

Sure. Whatever. I'm getting angry at this game, and I remembered why I don't play mafia ever.

[Korina]

I don't even care anymore. It's good if it conflicts at this point. We get one confirmed fascist out of it.

[Korina]

The only way hitty conflicts is if it's me or RC.

[Korina]

Either way, a fasc gets pulled out if it confs

[Korina]

Y'know what? I don't care. Take the ja.

[Korina]

If this confs, then we remove ausuka/najom as vanilla fasc.

[Korina]

Hitty can't conf then, so we pretty much get honest results

[Korina]

lib/lib conf is impossible unless someone is throwing

[Korina]

WHAT DID I SAY

[Korina]

This is even better if it confs

[Korina]

Yea, no. Bullshit.

[Korina]

Ircher/NAJON in soft-conflict due to that RRR.

[Korina]

Honestly, the best hand we get is rrr again, and the peek is bbb, because we topdeck that shit and win.

[Korina]

Obviously. I always play RC here. RC is the only person I can pretty much say is lib.

[Korina]

@datisi, autonom rc for me please when i become pres, ty <3

[Korina]

I could see Ircher/Pine scum, with NAJON being scummy.
Either way, Ausuka is basically confirmed liberal along with RC.

[Korina]

Ircher/Pine confirmed.

[Korina]

You still could be lib, but I think that's less likely at this point.

[Korina]

fasc*

[Korina]

You getting chans twice with RRR pres, and being fasc seems unlikely.

[Korina]

Doesn't matter Pine. You can still be confirmed via your voting patterns and what you say. Passing policies just happens to be the easiest and fastest way of determining alignment.

[Korina]

No, but that's reason enough to exclude him. I'm pretty sure that RC/Ausuka are both liberals. I know I'm liberal, so we're good.
I'm seeing one fasc in {NAJON, Ircher}, making four libs.
Meaning Pine cannot be lib here.

pedit: rc, new deck. nobody has played

[Korina]

There's six fascist, three liberal cards in the deck for certain.

[Korina]

Our best hand is we draw RRR, and I peek BBB. That's lib autowin.

[Korina]

RRR with RBB is also an autowin.

[Korina]

I got rrr
next hand is rrb

[Korina]

NEXT HAND IS RRB, IF A LIBERAL IS NOT PASSED, YOU ARE AUTOMATICALLY FASCIST

[Korina]

I'm asking datisi if that was the exact order. If the blue is on top, we td.

[Korina]

Ok, it's actually RRB.

[Korina]

@RC, if the blue was on top, we should TD because it guarantees the blue passes.

[Korina]

@Ausuka it's 6R, 3B. We have 2R, 1B next hand, leaving 4B, 2B from the next hand.

[Korina]

We are RC, I think.

[Korina]

We are. I have the physical game, and it states "after the third fascist policy is passed"

[Korina]

We can't elect hitty as chans, or we autolose.

[Korina]

Just now. All fasc policies that were passed were on rrr.

[Korina]

Yea, basically.

[Korina]

I don't think Ausuka is hitty here though.

[Korina]

Plus NAJON is in a soft conflict with Ircher over the RRR from last deck.

[Korina]

Agreed. I think it's Ircher/Pine as scumteam, with Pine as hitty.

[Korina]

Statistically speaking though, Ausuka is the safer choice here IMO.

[Korina]

@Ircher, while it's possible that you both drew actual RRR, it's more plausible that one of you is lying about it.

Pedit: Basically, it's more likely the two of you aren't the same alignment.

[Korina]

@Pine, it's a new deck with 3B, 9R. It's very likely we draw RRR in that deck.

[Korina]

We know this hand is RRB.

[Korina]

OK:
THE FIRST TWO RRRs WERE IN THE FIRST DECK.
THE THIRD RRR WAS IN A NEW DECK.
YOU CANNOT COMPARE ME DRAWING RRR TO NAJON/IRCHER DRAWING RRR BECAUSE THEY WERE DIFFERENT DECKS

[Korina]

4R, 2B left.

[Korina]

Yes, termlimits expire if we td.

[Korina]

This only backfires if we draw RRR, but we should shoot pine here and that should be game.

[Korina]

It's a bit safer to td back to RC, but this is a gp on me.

[Korina]

Assuming I'm not hitler, I cannot play a fascist if I'm passed it.

[Korina]

Ircher, you're confirmed fascist. Shut up.

[Korina]

To play a fascist card? Because Ausuka shoots me. Assuming Pine is hitty, I lose my chance to win.

[Korina]

Yea.

@mod, vote ja to nein to rc please

[Korina]

HELL NO

[Korina]

YOU NEVER GET NOM HERE IRCHER

[Korina]

Oh yea, it's slightly safer to skip to RC.
I know I'm lib, so like, I want to play.

[Korina]

@Ausuka, just agree to nein till RC.

[Korina]

@Ircher, we win if we nein to RC lmao. Unless we get RRR, which means RC shoots Pine, we win.
Even if we shoot pine, and he's hitty, we win.

[Korina]

Wait, RC drawing RRR should be an autowin with R td.

[Korina]

9R 3B in new deck.
Korina pres, RC chans. RRR -> RR. (6/9) Korina peeks RRB.
RC pres, Ausuka chans. RRB -> RB. (4/9)
TD R (3/9)
RC pres, Ausuka chans. RRR -> RR. (0/9)

[Korina]

LIBS AUTOWIN

[Korina]

LIBS CANNOT LOSE THIS SCENARIO

IF RC DRAWS RRR, HE SHOOTS PINE, AND WE NEIN BACK TO HIM. WE'LL TD A LIB AND WIN

[Korina]

It doesn't matter who RC shoots lmao. We'll have three blues left in deck if RC draws RRR.

[Korina]

My math may be off actually.

[Korina]

If RC shoots me, he has to treat you as confirmed lib.

[Korina]

Who were fasc?

[Korina]

Ircher/Pine, yea?

[Korina]

Yea, Ircher, no offense, but you were obvious towards the end.

[Korina]

Ah, it was likely you did though. Your votes gave both of you away.

[Korina]

Pine, you were via votes.

[Korina]

Yes there was.

[Korina]

I will gladly go through every single vote and explain why it made you scummy.

[Korina]

I don't have the time to sit down and go through all of them, but you going against the majority on governments that were unlikely to fail, plus you voting along with ircher, (someone who was scummy already), made you look suspicious.

[Korina]

This game is a good example of how town!me normally plays as well. In marathon games, (or IRL ones for that matter), I’m normally this aggressive. Long games I cannot manage it for that long.