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[Cephrir]

VOTE: the worst

layer of irony acknowledging i made this post once before

[Cephrir]

you can only yeet unpopular kids on day 1

[Cephrir]

feeble xtomx vote

This is kinda valid

[Cephrir]

I'm gonna beat you up

[Cephrir]

how did you read her for 4.5/the long rant? i disliked it and your treatment of it here 'you've done it too' really lacks any kind of nauance. no, herc didn't post anything resembling that rant. he posted a self-meta thing, but that's different on context and content, and it's ridiculously surface level to say they're the same. the content made me TR herc's and SR LLD's because herc's felt like it was coming from a genuine place and LLD's felt more forced. i want to hear more about how these and the vibes from them are the same from you because i hard disagree

I think someone could build a case based partly on that post, but I felt hercule was trying to say "here's a case" and my problem with it was that it's not a case because it doesnt connect these events with a scum agenda. I didnt have a strong read on her self meta post, I expect it could come from either, while hercule's I liked and got an initial town read off before being dissuaded by his later posting.

[Cephrir]

I'd kinda like to see more from LLD because I still don't know what she is from her posts and I'm starting to feel like I might be 5th impostering purely based on the gamestate.

[Cephrir]

they're both quite intelligent and attractive

[Cephrir]

i would love to be on a scumteam with LLD and Dann that sounds pretty fun and you'd never catch us

[Cephrir]

damn-flor, that'd be a hard team to catch. you could just have two of you trying to form a bunch of counterwagons if the third one ever got wagoned and i'd probably decide you couldn't all be scum...

then i could make a post like 2081 and you'd really be screwed

i know i shouldn't shitpost when i am on record thinking the page number is antitown

[Cephrir]

anyone who was commenting before about 'x is trying to appeal to a crowd' want to comment on agar before I remember who it was and ask them directly?

i was unsure if him adding "scum" to the end of that was a joke or not

[Cephrir]

i found the unvote more offensive personally

[Cephrir]

2109 doesn't feel very fair

[Cephrir]

x: this is stupid. lld is absent, not giving reads other than bad pushes on me and herc, and getting townread for it

auro: lld looks like she's been lurking tactically, based on the timing of her post

auro: it's humorous how lld is constantly attacking credibility.

Xtomxm is SO. TOWN. it hurts

i agree but this seems like a pretty random quote

[Cephrir]

VOTE: LLD

i feel like im crossing the picket line

i was thinking of doing it too but now the defector slot is taken

[Cephrir]

there's only room for one lovable sides-changing curmudgeon in this anime

[Cephrir]

i've reconvinced myself that the scum are just not doing anything as we yeet our strongest asset for no reason but i need her to come prove that opinion right by having some good takes and caring about the game

[Cephrir]

well, me, for one, but you know. *gestures at my iso*

[Cephrir]

i've reconvinced myself that the scum are just not doing anything as we yeet our strongest asset for no reason

Our "strongest asset" who went after

hercule

and is currently voting

Xtomx

?

That asset?

those players aren't flipped yet and nobody's perfect.

[Cephrir]

If someone wants to talk to me about their scum reads and shit, I'll do that.

in recognition of the fact that you may not be around tomorrow one way or another, i'd be interested in your thoughts on some of the lower content slots like agar, the worst, ythan, titus. i currently feel there's probably multiple scum in that group, but if you're seeing some legit towniness there and you flip town that's something that i'd legitimately still care about tomorrow. if you're scum i don't plan to mine your response for associatives i'll be a lot more interested in how others acted around you & your wagon than what you posted in that case tbh.

i'd also be interested in what you think of dgb. i'm guessing it won't be that it's scum with mastina, since that seems hella brazen. but that's asking for a bit more work, so like, whatever you wanna get into, i'm listening. i get that this game probably isn't very fun for you either way.

[Cephrir]

i'd really prefer to just delete a lurker today but it doesn't seem like that's an option.

[Cephrir]

Bell replaces the worst.

Oh good. Supposedly, this should make things easier.

[Cephrir]

VOTE: ythan

[Cephrir]

daniel "danny boy" florington

[Cephrir]

yeah we're really just beating ourselves today huh

[Cephrir]

18

In Chinese tradition, 18 pronounced 十八 (shí bā) and is considered a lucky number due to similarity with 實發 (shì fā) 'definitely get rich', 'to get rich for sure'.[3]
According to applications of numerology in Judaism, the letters of the word chai ("living") add up to 18. Thus, 18 is considered a lucky number and many gifts for B'nai Mitzvot and weddings are in $18 increments.[4]

Vote Count 1.18

Lady Lambdadelta

(5): DrippingGoofball, Xtoxm, mastina, Ythan, jjh927

Bell

(2): Winter Flakes, Titus

DrippingGoofball

(2): Dunnstral, Bell

Titus

(2): innocentvillager, Dannflor

Ythan

(2): OkaPoka, Cephrir

Hopkirk

(1): AGar

AGar

(1): Hopkirk

mastina

(1): Lady Lambdadelta

Not Voting

(2): Luca Blight, Almost50

With 18 alive, it takes 10 votes to eliminate. Deadline is set for 11:00 AM PST on February 12, in (expired on 2021-02-12 15:00:00).

Prodding Hopkirk.

this is a crime

[Cephrir]

hey bell what is your opinion on anything

[Cephrir]

yknow i read his post that way but then proceeded to write mine unironically

[Cephrir]

LLD can do it as town, too. But I happen to think that in this case it came from scum.

You've been using this reasoning all game and it's actually made me want to vote whoever you were talking about less

when i say that her reasons aren't reasons, this is the kind of thing i'm talking about yes

[Cephrir]

it must be nice being able to cogdis oneself into having no doubts about reads despite having played a jillion games of mafia and thus witnessed that one's reads are never all correct

[Cephrir]

i was thinking town but now that you ask me i'm overly comparing to last game and doubting it

[Cephrir]

@IV why are you trying to solve the game on D1 in a large normal

[Cephrir]

VOTE: DGB

[Cephrir]

it's because oka's present and understandable and also cute and we have few enough people like that that we'd be making the game less fun by killing them

i don't especially think bell is scum yet; i also don't want to kill his slot today anymore because ive been told he is an easy read with a little time.

i think ythan is a good wagon because frankly i don't know what's going on in this game and nothing of value will be lost if he flips town. i am having difficulty generating and maintaining any scumreads i can feel good about, so why not aim for the "will always be null" pile. i guess i no longer think LLD is the worst yeet of all time because it would provide a wealth of information, but i don't know that i trust most of you to usefully parse that information and dannflor is probably getting shot tonight if she flips town and that will make me very sad.

[Cephrir]

oh right, i'm voting dgb

VOTE: ythan

[Cephrir]

except you can parse the meaning perfectly fine if you're not trying to pick at a single word?
everyone knows which wagon came first. scum!hop would have no reason to lie about the order. likewise, as town i don't lie about it
so why's it AI? why does scum!hop say something he knows is untrue when it isn't even relevant to the point he's pushing or any scum agenda?
this kind of nit picking the wording of something comes from scum a lot more than town
i want other people to weigh in on this point. this is scummy af

even though i still suspect you, yes i don't think agar's point here is very compelling and it is the sort of refuge in logic thing that scum classically love to pick at

[Cephrir]

the 'strongest asset' wording here is so pockety/performative

because if i'm scum here i need to pocket lld any further than i already have been with you know the entire way i've played the game at this point. there's no way that's my honest opinion at all. i might re-award that title to dann tho, since i seem to be better at working with him

[Cephrir]

this is me noting that winter flakes (alt of uncrowned) has somehow begun to blend into the scenery so thoroughly i think i forgot he existed

[Cephrir]

if LLD is town I think there’s a good chance some scum are TMI-TRing her and that kind of lead to some Cephrir/AGar pocket equity (oh look, of the 4 low content slots LLD was asked to give thoughts on, she townread Titus and AGar and both of them called LLD town at that point)

circumstantial ikik

brb gonna spend all my energy pocketing someone who's going to be dead today

deep value

[Cephrir]

Ceph if you are town, you would be aiming to kill anything but me today

And i have noticed you really are kind of chill with me dying and frankly?

Feels like you kind if want it to happen without blood on your hands.

i have been aiming to kill anything but you today. and for my effort i have a votecount with like 6 votes on you and more than 2 on anyone else. most players don't seem interested in what i have to say. i literally just pushed ythan, but i am starting to give up, yes.

[Cephrir]

no more than 2*

[Cephrir]

Like I am getting the "working against me in a game of survivor but doesn't want to be the counter vote" feeling from you Ceph.

And it isn't good.

i think you'd be hard pressed to find someone who's spent more energy defending you today than i have.

[Cephrir]

idk if it's just me but I've run out of energy to defend LLD from arguments that are kinda drawn up out of nowhere

and the worst part is that I don't really agree that slots like xtoxm or DGB have to have scum in them. Gun to head both of those slots are probably town. So is mastina.

And I don't really want to continually argue with slots that are most likely town but just keep shoving conf-biased arguments at me over and over. It feels like most of the game won't be happy until there's an LLD flip regardless of anything else that happens.

I don't want that, I think she probably flips town. I think ythan/titus has a much higher chance of flipping scum individually but like, I have run out of fervor to push against this narrative

this.

[Cephrir]

Then ignore the narrative and let's join together as a town block and compromise on a vote.

I'm done being picky I think. Ythan is a good vote to pressure him into revealing more. I think DGB is okay but I have misgivings. I thibk Luca is not making Hercule look better.

come to ythan, for now at least? i'd still vote dgb but that seems more controversial. i could also do like titus i guess but i don't feel super passionate about it. i think winter flakes (alt of uncrowned) is a tomorrow problem.

[Cephrir]

Ceph, Agar, Dann: join me for now

two of us are already there yeah

[Cephrir]

we're setting up an antipope townbloc in france

[Cephrir]

i remain very open to the possibility of hopkirk being scum but i think that's also a tomorrow problem at this point

[Cephrir]

idk part of me is going "is... this... really Ythan's scumgame?" low-effort no-cares okay compromise elim me if y'all want y'all suck? and this is his favorite alignment?

me too, but ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[Cephrir]

we sure are going to lose a lot of insight if we remove this guy

[Cephrir]

who is scum and why without referring to yourself

i don't really think this is a scum reaction but if you have no intention of being useful i don't know that i give a shit

[Cephrir]

then perish

[Cephrir]

do i have to

[Cephrir]

fine, VOTE: titus

[Cephrir]

the idea that mastina's argument was persuasive to anyone makes me want to vote myself instead

[Cephrir]

i just haven't seen anything from you yet that made me not want to, and that's a short list at this point. if you've got a green PM make it shine.

[Cephrir]

i just haven't seen anything from you yet that made me not want to, and that's a short list at this point. if you've got a green PM make it shine.

Me solving the game isn't sufficient? I have plenty to engage on. We have largely agreed but yet you don't have enough to see I am town? Why haven't you engaged my reads? I can't do anything more if you don't engage me.

alright hm

do you still think the worst-slot and dunnstral are scum?

you mentioned a50 was scum because his hopkirk vote was bad. are bad votes unusual from him? what's your a50 manual look like? he *has* disappeared a bit which i don't love.

[Cephrir]

accrual clown

[Cephrir]

dgb, iv and winter

[Cephrir]

yeah i read him as terse and grumpy last time and i don't this time

[Cephrir]

sry for leaving out ur title

[Cephrir]

excellent counterpoint, loving this exchange of ideas

[Cephrir]

good thing we're trying to keep this around today i can see that's going to pay dividends

[Cephrir]

what i'd like is for someone to vig you

[Cephrir]

i thought a TM playerlist was supposed to be able to play mafia, but all you've done is play the insult olympics, and you're not even very good at it

[Cephrir]

I thought a TM playerlist was supposed to be able to read

keep voting for an admitted fakeread

fine, VOTE: titus

lol

[Cephrir]

it must be hard being such a misunderstood genius sorry im not receiving the brainwave transmission that show your town thought processes, i assume that must be why you expect everyone to read you as town while posting nothing town indicative in the thread

[Cephrir]

I can do a sexier posture if you prefer

[Cephrir]

Idk what to tell you I made one post that I was happy to be town and had to make several more because several people side eyed me about it. Sorry for being so obnoxious?

[Cephrir]

maybe ythan just really, really wants someone to play guess who with

ythan, does the mafia have red hair?

[Cephrir]

if LLD is town I think there’s a good chance some scum are TMI-TRing her and that kind of lead to some Cephrir/AGar pocket equity (oh look, of the 4 low content slots LLD was asked to give thoughts on, she townread Titus and AGar and both of them called LLD town at that point)

circumstantial ikik

brb gonna spend all my energy pocketing someone who's going to be dead today

deep value

I am going to be dead today?

Really?

yeah...Cephrir? isn't the Ythan compromise-wagon like, rising faster than the stale LLD wagon and you're voting Ythan? and at no point did we ever even get LLD into claiming range? kind of a strange defense

ceph can you address this when you get a chance? don't want to detour too much but i feel like this shouldn't take long

Felt inevitable as votes have been sticking to her all day no matter what alternative is presented

[Cephrir]

Ythan's wagon shifting so suddenly to Titus with no resistance and no real actual reasoning other than the vibes brigade restarting their shenanigans should be fucking warning sirens for anyone and everyone.

No resistance? Not sure about that.

But resistance is fake anyway so eh

[Cephrir]

i keep trying to convince myself to see scum in the places i want to see it, but there's still only one place i can really go and feel like, yeah, i'm voting scum

VOTE: DGB

[Cephrir]

logic is so hot tbh

[Cephrir]

titus is over. come vote scum with me.

[Cephrir]

nonsense, changing votes is not allowed and i would never do it

[Cephrir]

it seems to work when other people do it. i just need to badger everyone loudly for 10 pages to get it done, but i don't want to embarrass myself like that.

[Cephrir]

if i stopped caring i'd be voting you

[Cephrir]

join the cause of righteousness, vote third party

[Cephrir]

just think about how much fun we could have, dear reader. you, me, dunnstral. watching dgb float away towards the sun we have just yeeted it into. we're all happy, and warm, and everything is great.

[Cephrir]

it could still happen. it's not too late. you don't have to fade away into the darkness. IT'S NOT TOO LATE FOR YOU. you can still... come back...

[Cephrir]

hot take i think we should vote for scum instead of town

[Cephrir]

yes i did start having strong feelings within the last 24 hours totally unprompted

[Cephrir]

yeah she sure is out here using every tool at her disposal by doing nothing

[Cephrir]

that xtoxm push definitely looked like it came from someone with scumbuddies to bounce ideas off too

[Cephrir]

i don't especially think it's mastina

[Cephrir]

not that it's impossible but i don't think she can maintain the conviction into day 3 if it's her to the degree that i don't even care if she sees me saying so, so it should become clear by then

[Cephrir]

yall out here trying to find the hardest scum instead of the easiest one, and that includes the guy who said he likes to find the easiest scum

[Cephrir]

i hope i'm actually right then

my feeling is basically that dgb has suddenly become very agenda oriented between games and the force with which she's been pushing LLD is out of line with how shit her case is

[Cephrir]

i apologize for the pronouns in the above post

[Cephrir]

haha im gonna feel guilty if we miss now i'm so not used to succeeding

[Cephrir]

Okay well. This town is determined to elim LLD for her personality. I don't know what she is, I guess I'm leaning town, but clearly I can't stop you since I've tried everything and yall just will not fucking let it go.

LLD I think you should claim before it becomes too late to switch. They will not listen.

[Cephrir]

For all the talk of resistance, the dgb wagon just generated like 3 hard defenses.

[Cephrir]

Okay well. This town is determined to elim LLD for her personality.

That's nobody.

I <3 LLD,

I love playing with LLD. If I was making voting decisions based on personality, I wouldn't be voting her.

No one has made a case on her that I feel is AI for her. So.

[Cephrir]

how much are you leaning town there? why are you trying so much to stop it?

Somewhat.

I've been very clear that I think her opinion is valuable and I'd like to have it around later. I'll admit that I haven't agreed with her pushes this game, yet. If anything that makes me think she's town more. Shrug.

[Cephrir]

I feel like I should, but I don't know your top choice? Is it Bell? Or am I missing something as everything blurs together into the most atrocious hellscape?

dgb, i was saying this because i was shocked i actually managed to start a wagon

[Cephrir]

You're bitching about my bitching.

[bitches about this post]

[Cephrir]

I enjoy you this game Cephrir. You've gotten 2 laughs out of me this game. That's rare. Thanks for your sense of humor(not sarcasm).

I am willing to vote DGB to push the game forward. But the wagons keep shifting every 5 seconds. What are they even at?

something like LLD 6, DGB 4 or 5, Titus 2 or 3, Ythan 2, i think?

[Cephrir]

Lady Lambdadelta (6): DrippingGoofball, Xtoxm, mastina, Hopkirk, Ythan, jjh927
DrippingGoofball (5): Dunnstral, Cephrir, OkaPoka, Lady Lambdadelta, Bell
Ythan (3): Luca Blight, Titus, AGar
titus 2 - dann, iv
Bell (1): Winter Flakes
OkaPoka (1): Almost50

[Cephrir]

@a50/winter get with the program thanks

[Cephrir]

The bargaining to stay alive happened in that LLD scum game, and happened in this game too.
The scum meta ego posts happened in that LLD scum game, and happened in this game too.

great. now prove it doesn't happen in town games.

[Cephrir]

vc reminded me jjh existed and i've been townreading him for some reason but that read took a nosedive after isoing

[Cephrir]

vc reminded me jjh existed and i've been townreading him for some reason but that read took a nosedive after isoing

Is a jjh wagon your next move?

#desperatiom

no, i debated not posting this but you never know i could eat bullets if we flip town lld here

[Cephrir]

if this day ends in an lld elim and she flips town i would not be a shocking nightkill

[Cephrir]

are you joking or

[Cephrir]

because i'm townread by basically everyone except for maybe 3 people and probably the only way that changes soon is with a scum flip from her, and dann would be the obvious doc save in that situation

[Cephrir]

it's like he's never played before

[Cephrir]

because i'm townread by basically everyone except for maybe 3 people and probably the only way that changes soon is with a scum flip from her, and dann would be the obvious doc save in that situation

And I'm townread by pretty much everyone but my scumreads and a few lost souls.

If LLD flips scum, I'm dead meat.

Okay but that's like half the game.

Sure, that's a strong possibility. What's your point?

[Cephrir]

and dann would be the obvious doc save in that situation

Why is that?

Okay now I'm positive you're just messing with me, so pass.

[Cephrir]

i think we should decide if dgb/lld should claim or not

I'll make it simple for you, I have no intention of claiming.

i believe i've done this gambit as both town and scum and it is 2 for 2 on getting me out of the elim

[Cephrir]

and we should have done this on page 12, but that's larges for you

[Cephrir]

haha remember when someone gave me shit for calling this outcome inevitable

[Cephrir]

Wait I'm in PST too are you guys my neighbors

Anyway I'll be up

[Cephrir]

Dang those are the wrong states

[Cephrir]

I'm here, but I don't have anything in particular to say. I had some good sass lined up, but it wouldn't land with the same punch if I turned out to be wrong.

[Cephrir]

Well, either I get to say I told you so or we get a scum flip, I guess.

Is the above a joke? I don't get it.

[Cephrir]

is this a deepwolf? .jpg

[Cephrir]

Well, dann died, there goes my will to live

Anyway great job everyone that sucked ass can wait for mastinas apology tour

VOTE: jjh

[Cephrir]

VOTE: jjh927

God damn it someone beat me to this. I've been here since I saw the flip

[Cephrir]

That dunn wall doesnt sound like his voice I guess it's because were serious now

[Cephrir]

DGB being dead town is really taking the wind out of my "you're all fools" line of posting i had planned today

[Cephrir]

our reads all suck and people who are confident tunnelling should probably tone it down

This isn't a thing that's actually happening from 90% of the game Of course mastina's reads are bad; water is wet.

[Cephrir]

I was targeted by a babysitter. I'll be afk today. Spending the afternoon with a date online.

What? How are you not dead?

[Cephrir]

I was targeted by a babysitter. I'll be afk today. Spending the afternoon with a date online.

What? How are you not dead?

The babysitter has to die to kill their target

Oh, that's not at all what I thought that role did.

What a bizarre target.

[Cephrir]

Vig to consider holstering

Um no, fuck that.

[Cephrir]

Even in the most hallowed halls of believing vca is a real thing I'm pretty sure you don't get to say "because wagon analysis" with no further thought

[Cephrir]

VCA dictates

It really is like a religion

[Cephrir]

I don't think we need to waste time with ythan right now. If the big has more shots, he'll probably eat one before long.

[Cephrir]

not as good as Titus in VCA

"I haven't donated enough yet to make it to sapphire laser lotus like grandmistress titus, but"

[Cephrir]

I don't fully buy into VCA as the one true way or any of that shit and a lot of folks draw bad conclusions from it, but what do you suggest we do, High Overlord Ceph, he of the bitching and vibing?

Thanks, that was necessary

I suggest we kill jjh and vig ythan

[Cephrir]

Why?

His positioning around the LLD wagon is not internally consistent imo. Going for her first is against his philosophy of mafia and like, now he's claiming he wasn't that into it I guess which doesnt really match up with what his vote was doing yesterday

Ythan has no intention of posting readable content ever. We won't learn much from running him up again. That's a classic vig target.

[Cephrir]

I mean ythan is not like the worst lim ever or anything and I'm not gonna be sad if we go that way I just think we can do better.

[Cephrir]

Maybe I should sheep LLD/Dann's corpses.

[Cephrir]

Those players are definitely both better scumhunters than me, so who am I to say I know better.

[Cephrir]

Dann's corpse to me says titus, Luca, bell. I want to give bell more time.

[Cephrir]

Does hercule scum make sense here to those of you who like to read game states

[Cephrir]

At some point I'm going to have to stop ignoring winter slipping by under the radar, but I dont think that time is now.

Scum didnt know dgb would be killed (I feel 100% safe that was not their shot yes). They probably wanted me to see a dead dann and push dgb again today.

[Cephrir]

If I had 5 dayvig shots today i think I'd run out of shots before i got to ythan. Maybe he really isn't the place to go today.

[Cephrir]

VOTE: Luca???

Man why did we have to lose both my rocks day 1. The SS Warthog is left without a rudder.

[Cephrir]

I would love to fully trust dunn or oka but I just don't. My best town read left is xtoxm and if I let him steer we'd probably follow mastina over a waterfall.

[Cephrir]

Boat metaphors.

[Cephrir]

Hot take: agar is actually obvious town

[Cephrir]

VOTE: Luca???

Man why did we have to lose both my rocks day 1. The SS Warthog is left without a rudder.

What do you think of jjh today?

What do your 5 shots look like?

Eh. Could still vote there, he sure seems content to just keep doing his thing.

Something like titus, Luca, jjh, bell, winter

[Cephrir]

Not bell, actually

[Cephrir]

Ah yes, let's still find a way for voting LLD to be a town tell somehow

[Cephrir]

Ah yes, let's still find a way for voting LLD to be a town tell somehow

you are really wasting a chance at an ally by doing this since you call me a higher tr and i tr you to, and i came into today planning to be a lot more compromising after lld-town

if ppl keep being shits i'll just be toxic back, vote a pet scumread and go lurk

im not here to play politics if you cant handle me expressing a point in a somewhat snarky way that's kinda on you my man

[Cephrir]

VOTE: Luca???

Man why did we have to lose both my rocks day 1. The SS Warthog is left without a rudder.

You, sir, are officially demoted a tier in my reads. You were suggesting we elim jjh instead of Ythan (which I don't agree with but can understand and would not have fought against) but you decided to go for a third person based on someone else's reads?? Why?? Why is Luca now a better lim than jjh/Ythan??

oh, say it ain't so!

perhaps you should consider reading my posts.

[Cephrir]

maybe if i lose enough allies i can get elimed for my personality too! we can just go down the line!

[Cephrir]

P.S. For once I managed to read the next post before I submitted my response. Don't get used to it.

Reading two posts is nothing to brag about in your position.

Can someone (ANYONE) please explain to me what purpose this post is supposed to serve?

@Dunnstral
@Titus
@AGar
@Winter Flakes
@Cephrir
@Bell
@Xtoxm
@jjh927
@mastina
@Hopkirk
@OkaPoka
@innocentvillager
@Luca Blight

Any of you can respond. Thank you

It makes him feel smug and superior, like all his other posts

[Cephrir]

VOTE: mastina

Case me or die. I want to have this out. I may not respond right away but I want you solved. No more vague meta statements. If I am wrong on you, I should be able to see you having genuine logic here, even if wrong.

This feels like Titus knows a case on her in incoming and she's trying to preemptively discredit it.

This is not a good argument

This is a confbiased thought but my first thought when I read that post was "this is a mediocre bus"

[Cephrir]

what was the point of this post? it reads like shade/i don't get the motivation otherwise?

I'm not an agenda-based poster. Sometimes if I have a thought I just drop it in the thread and see if it interests anyone. 90% of the thoughts I have about the game, I will post without any consideration for whether I should or not.

[Cephrir]

I think agar believes what he's saying. Sry.

[Cephrir]

I subscribe to a school of thought that scum very rarely if ever engage in misrepresentation on purpose, and because of that I'm not seeing scum in either you or agar at this time even without doing a deep dive into the argument to decide who I think is right (I dont care who is right)

[Cephrir]

Mental gymnastics

[Cephrir]

I don't really get where all the bell scumreads are coming from.

Sry

[Cephrir]

Vote scum, not the person annoying you

[Cephrir]

VOTE: jjh

[Cephrir]

I kinda regret that already

[Cephrir]

I kinda regret that already

What do you want to do?

I'm not sure. :/

[Cephrir]

if anyone wants to start a new conversation? why is cephrir town

Ur like a broken record

[Cephrir]

I think the obvious answer is that he's attacking whoever pays attention to him.

The irony.

Ythan is enjoying taking refuge in logic against an illogical player. It's not a town trait, nor is the fact that this is the one thing he's able to post about, and I'm disappointed in oka for following it.

[Cephrir]

Ceph why do you think i keep asking a50 to stop teeing ythan up

you voted a50, it wasn't a good vote

[Cephrir]

@Oka, why should I suppose Ceph is townsiding when from my pov he bailed on scum to vote me at the first opportunity?

no one is flipped scum

i had reasons for moving and i'm hardly the only one that did so. yes, we have been somewhat ~on the same side~... being able to suspect people who are largely agreeing with you is a town trait, i am clearly not playing politics and trying to make friends

[Cephrir]

i would like you to either make posts that sound like they come from town, or die

surely this can't be the first time you've heard of the concept that illogical and scum are different things, yet your greatest suspicion is more or less based on policy

[Cephrir]

i just don't believe that you have 10000 posts in mafia games and still believe your current line of play is how scum are caught

[Cephrir]

has anyone ever told you that interacting with you is about as fun as removing your own eyeballs

[Cephrir]

you start by not confidently pushing things that are wrong

[Cephrir]

Jjh and ythan are both acceptable votes. Let's make those happen.

[Cephrir]

Jjh and ythan are both acceptable votes. Let's make those happen.

You're posting like the day phase is almost over. Por que?

I can feel stuck whenever I want to.

[Cephrir]

My vote is not based on that case

[Cephrir]

It also potentially gives scum a valuable heads up

This line alone should make you rethink your SR on Titus. Why would SCUM her announce it in the thread, rather than share it with her team in the PT? I can only see ONE possibility for that to happen, and that would be if Titus is Scum

with

the Babysitter, and even then I don't see why they would preemptively out the existence of that role.

Disagree?

Eh. I think titus is supposed to be good at mechanics and if town should have realized outing this was not helpful.

Scum with the babysitter is not crazy at all to me.

[Cephrir]

VOTE: luca
the spirit of dann flows through me

This also continues to be fine

[Cephrir]

VOTE: luca
the spirit of dann flows through me

This also continues to be fine

do you TR me? o.o

Meh.

[Cephrir]

If it walks like scum, talks like scum and votes like scum, maybe it's just scum.

VOTE: ythan

[Cephrir]

You've had a million chances to produce something worthwhile and you're still out here pushing town. I'm over it.

[Cephrir]

There are so many people I want to make dead.

[Cephrir]

The fact that he's still cheerleading for a50 votes after I've pointed out that none of what he's done makes him scum.

[Cephrir]

Cephrir who has been on this site since 2006 is voting me for pushing a player he has said is town.

As I've said previously I find it very difficult to believe you actually believe you've found scum here.

[Cephrir]

The fact that he's still cheerleading for a50 votes after I've pointed out that none of what he's done makes him scum.

So you think it's a town thing to vote Player A, spend all of your effort on how Player B is inextricably linked to Player A, not vote Player B, and not exert any force to get other players to vote Player A? Orrrrr

Sure. Whatever straw opinion you want to attribute to me.

[Cephrir]

Cephrir who has been on this site since 2006 is voting me for pushing a player he has said is town.

As I've said previously I find it very difficult to believe you actually believe you've found scum here.

You, who have been on this site since 2009, apparently think someone who doesnt play the way you want them to is caught scum for sure woohoo great wagon. I guess you've somehow never seen a strange or different player in that period of time.

[Cephrir]

Wild how much more shit I'm getting for one vote than my previous 15 or so vote changes combined.

[Cephrir]

A50 doing anything but lolcatting is pretty good in my book. My bar for him is low and I am not really inclined to put much stock in his opinions, but he's probably town

[Cephrir]

I think we should probably postpone babysitter discussion before like, everyone but one person more or less outs themselves as not it

[Cephrir]

But you know what? I know this is probably going to upset a couple of players that I really respect and didn't want to upset, but I do have a guilty on Ythan I am one of these roles: Watcher/Follower/Detective/Psychologist. Pick your favourite option, deduce the logical result I got, and get back to me when you're done making bad arguments. THANK YOU.

Ah. You... probably didn't need to out this quite yet, but guess we're going here now.

[Cephrir]

man we were so fuckin close yesterday. if i may make one post harping on the LLD voters: yallllllllllllll.

[Cephrir]

man we were so fuckin close yesterday. if i may make one post harping on the LLD voters: yallllllllllllll.

this might be unfair but i'm mad at you anyway

[Cephrir]

yes, this is definitely a situation where scum would fake a guilty, for sure

[Cephrir]

ythan please claim immediately

[Cephrir]

ok the correct claim was vig bye

[Cephrir]

ok the correct claim was vig bye

I was hoping he would claim that too, so I could let him be resolved by the real Vig (whom I think I know).

I'll now retract my claim. I don't actually have a guilty. Now you all have one of 3 options:

1- Wagon me. Release me from this game with this Ythan guy.

2- Stay the course and eliminate Ythan anyhow. No big deal IF he flips a VT.

3- Do your own thing outside of the two of us, and let the VIG resolve me tonight (if they think this is how I play Scum at all)

I'm fine with any of the 3 options there.

you son of a bitch

[Cephrir]

VOTE: luca

i hate this game good night

[Cephrir]

ok bud

[Cephrir]

ythan reaction to that is really towny

yes, i see that

[Cephrir]

Guess you're still here then huh.

ya, my class was canceled. rip

[Cephrir]

u got there, proud of u

pedit: oh, now ur even more wrong. that's unfortunate.

pedit again: stop playing with my heart

[Cephrir]

the vig should shoot someone with a decent chance of flipping scum c:

[Cephrir]

that's actually the most sense you've made all game

[Cephrir]

Is this what bell being useless looks like? I haven't actually seen it so I wasn't sure

[Cephrir]

titus will tell you it's not random because of magic

[Cephrir]

yeah that assumption also just isn't really how probability works.

although i wouldn't personally be very convinced by it, i am more understanding of the idea that competing wagons are less likely to both be on scum (since scum would presumably be doing something to alleviate that situation). scum are the only ones that are informed, the rest of us are just making educated guesses, so i see no reason we couldn't land on town multiple times

[Cephrir]

unrelated to the above, VOTE: Bell

[Cephrir]

unrelated to the above, VOTE: Bell

What is it related to?

Well, I've been told you're an easy sort, yet I am thus far unimpressed, so.