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Post Post #5249 (isolation #400) » Sun Feb 21, 2021 12:16 pm

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VC's before and after the vote. It was before PB did his whole: I'm gonna make a case and get SB limmed thing.

Don't think it's a great reason to townread me though, given that it also came right after Noraa/Maria started pushing me.

If you're looking for reasons to townread me, I think my PB/Cheet interactions are more telling, along with my part in the Pooky guilty.
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Votecount 1.7Cheetory6
Gamma Emerald - 1 (Jake)
Gypyx - 3 (staypositivefriend, SirCakez, Zaiden)
Jake The Wolfie - 1 (midwaybear)
Jingle - 2 (noraa, MariaR)
MURDERSUNNY
MariaR
midwaybear
Morning Tweet
noraa - 3 (PrivateI, MURDERSUNNY, Pink Ball)
Pink Ball
PookyTheMagicalBear
PrivateI
SirCakez - 1 (Pooky)
Something_Smart
Spring Breeze
staypositivefriend
Zaiden - 5 (Cheetory6, Jingle, Spring Breeze, Gypyx, Gamma Emerald)

Not Voting - 2 (Morning Tweet, Something_Smart)


Day 1 ends on January 29th at 8PM EST. With 18 alive, it takes 10 to ask someone politely to leave.

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In post 1404, Untrod Tripod wrote:
Votecount 1.8Cheetory6
Gamma Emerald - 1 (Jake)
Gypyx - 3 (staypositivefriend, SirCakez, Zaiden)
Jake The Wolfie - 1 (midwaybear)
Jingle - 3 (noraa, MariaR, Spring Breeze)
MURDERSUNNY
MariaR
midwaybear
Morning Tweet
noraa - 3 (PrivateI, MURDERSUNNY, Pink Ball)
Pink Ball
PookyTheMagicalBear
PrivateI
SirCakez - 1 (Pooky)
Something_Smart
Spring Breeze
staypositivefriend
Zaiden - 4 (Cheetory6, Jingle, Gypyx, Gamma Emerald)

Not Voting - 2 (Morning Tweet, Something_Smart)


Day 1 ends on January 29th at 8PM EST. With 18 alive, it takes 10 to ask someone politely to leave.

If I make a mistake in the Votecount, please PM me or message me on Discord to let me know. Do not clutter the thread with posts about it.
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Post Post #5250 (isolation #401) » Sun Feb 21, 2021 12:23 pm

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In post 5248, Gypyx wrote:because he was the deepest scum probably? unless they were informed of double watcher, although no that doesn't make sense, pooky was the deepwolf then
I don't think I agree.

Scum clearly weren't playing around a tracker (which, incidentally, is another good reason for me to be town), but ime you don't tend to send the most townread member of your team to make the nightkill. It also couldn't have been a roleblocking necessity, because they weren't playing around the tracker and scum have multitasking.

My guess is that pooky made the kill because the last remaining scum has a relevant role that scum didn't want to risk losing. Which is less useful than I'd hoped when the question occurred to me, but still useful for massclaim.
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Post Post #5257 (isolation #402) » Sun Feb 21, 2021 5:28 pm

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In post 5251, Gypyx wrote:how were they not playing against a tracker? like imo, pooky would probably be a good performer of the kill if that was the case
Pooky double targeted. If they were playing around a tracker, then he wouldn't have sent me a peach.
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Post Post #5272 (isolation #403) » Mon Feb 22, 2021 9:57 am

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VOTE: Maria

E-1.

Mostly, I want to see who gets killed tonight.
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Post Post #5282 (isolation #404) » Mon Feb 22, 2021 10:10 am

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In post 5274, midwaybear wrote::facepalm:
Weren't you the one super annoyed about this town?
pedit: @Jingle
Yes. I also posted my solve, and have been actively engaging with anyone who posts content.

I'm not going to not vote someone in my solve because I want to arbitrarily lengthen the day, that way leads even more apathy.
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Post Post #5283 (isolation #405) » Mon Feb 22, 2021 10:12 am

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In post 5279, MariaR wrote:gypx/Murder solving/thoughts
Eh. I intend to make Gypyx and Gamma claim tomorrow.
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Post Post #5284 (isolation #406) » Mon Feb 22, 2021 10:14 am

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In post 5281, MariaR wrote:Nora
what's the teal deer?
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Post Post #5286 (isolation #407) » Mon Feb 22, 2021 10:21 am

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What do you make of S_S being a counter guilty to MT, Pooky claiming they were S/S, S_S claiming PR, and then S_S not making the kill despite being an outed unspecified PR claim?
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Post Post #5289 (isolation #408) » Mon Feb 22, 2021 10:27 am

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Did anyone else not realize UT doesn't have prod rules?
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Post Post #5292 (isolation #409) » Mon Feb 22, 2021 10:31 am

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In post 5285, MariaR wrote:Before my team went radio silent we made a case on Norra wolf and if we're townreading S_S that's who I would vote over everyone else in the playerlist with like 85% confidence
Lynx?

For the life of me I can't find it and the last thing you have about Noraa is a townread.
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Post Post #5315 (isolation #410) » Mon Feb 22, 2021 5:09 pm

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In post 4735, Gamma Emerald wrote:Btw if I die at night ever, lim gypyx
Hider softclaim.
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Post Post #5316 (isolation #411) » Mon Feb 22, 2021 5:09 pm

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Or, I suppose, weak softclaim.
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Post Post #5317 (isolation #412) » Mon Feb 22, 2021 5:11 pm

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Gamma, you should neither confirm nor deny that, btw.

Your close enough to the lim pool that a kill target on you is +equity.
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Post Post #5329 (isolation #413) » Tue Feb 23, 2021 7:04 am

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In post 5328, Gamma Emerald wrote:Unless an unexpected kill happens I think we just go down the list
Playerlist:
MURDERSUNNY (MURDERCAT alt) - Quick Attack
Gypyx - Class of 2175
noraa - Mask Your Worries
Zaiden - Team 'Team 'Team' Team' Team
Pink Ball - Loyal Servants
Jingle - Whatever Farm Animal of War
Something_Smart - Daylight Savings Time
Spring Breeze (Kanna alt) - The Four Seasons
MariaR - Ship of Theseus
PookyTheMagicalBear - Suicide Squad
SirCakez - The Fakeclaim Processing Department
Morning Tweet clidd - All your Scummies belong to us
PrivateI - Maybe the Real Mods...
Jake The Wolfie - Half a Good Team Plus Two
Gamma Emerald - Basterd Modding
midwaybear - Perfect Grammar
staypositivefriend - Onlyregfans
Cheetory6 - Pa-Ni-Nis

Clearly Gamma only wants to go down the list because there's only one living player beneath him.

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Post Post #5332 (isolation #414) » Tue Feb 23, 2021 8:25 am

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Eh. If scum want to kill mwb instead of people who are likely town power to deny us speculative info I'm totally okay with that.
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Post Post #5843 (isolation #415) » Sun Apr 25, 2021 8:15 pm

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In post 5834, DkKoba wrote:gamma getting pseduocleared via lack of activity and no prods compromised that slot so feelsbad
Wasn't the whole extent, either. Zaiden/Gypyx were modspewed as not S/S on D1 and that last dayphase should totally have been a no elim.
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Post Post #5845 (isolation #416) » Sun Apr 25, 2021 8:54 pm

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yw, MT, even if you did end up tearing my heart out and stomping on it as a scummy scumlord :P.
In post 406, Untrod Tripod wrote:Second, I would like to address this post:
This post does not confirm anything since editing photos is possible and easy to do. However, in my rules I state that the appearance of breaking a rule is the same as breaking a rule.
In post 0, Untrod Tripod wrote:
Even the appearance of breaking this rule counts as breaking this rule.

Either editing a screenshot to "prove" that you do not share a PT or posting a real screenshot that proves the same is strictly against site rules. It is akin to "posting your role PM" and posting what could either be an edited version of the sample role PM or the genuine article.

Do not do anything like this again. The most lenient potential consequences are removal from this event and a mafia ban.
This, btw, was the modspew that Zaiden/Gypyx wasn't S/S. The fact that UT posted that this was strictly against site rules but Gyp wasn't being punished for it meant that there was a reasonable doubt as to whether gyp realized what he'd done was bad (ftr, I think it's pretty obvious it was accidental). If Gyp had actively cut the scum PT from a screenshot in order to get an angleshooty partner clear it would be a cut and dry game ban for him (because, you know, cheating), and so it was impossible that Gyp/Zaiden could be scum together.
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Post Post #5878 (isolation #417) » Mon Apr 26, 2021 7:23 am

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In post 5875, Something_Smart wrote:For what it's worth, I agree these issues are pretty egregious. But, UT has been going through a pretty tough RL situation lately from what I can gather, and I think it's safe to say that errors like these are not at all common.
I'm not saying that UT didn't have more important shit going, and I completely understand needing to prioritize RL over silly forum games.

That isn't to say that the poorly run things didn't happen, but honestly the takeaway is more how to prevent/handle them in the future than to lament over how they happened in the first place.

Honestly, Gypyx should probably have eaten a non alignment changing modkill because his post (unknowingly) used outside influences to put a higher onus of responsibility on Zaiden (Zaiden being limmed would have functionally IC'd a town player, which is outside the course of the game and presumably exactly why MC and I both had Zaiden as a townlean, because not modkilling the slot was unfair to specifically Zaiden scum). The rest of the moderation errors can be boiled down to UT didn't have the motivation or time to be running a complex setup and errors resulting from that, which is something that can happen to anybody. It's also why we as a site REQUIRE BACKUPS FOR LARGE GAMES.

In the future, I'd like to see the mods (or whoever they decide should be responsible for TM if they decide to go back to a community run event) have a backup and someone who is strictly there to advise on rules and not need to bother with the day to day running of the event (like ffery and I were for in the instance of TM I was on the team for) just to help things go smoothly because sometimes you need someone who isn't invested in the game to help make the tough modcalls.

WRT setup, I think it was clunky and more than a bit scumsided. The watchers actually turning out useful results in the midst of everyone's a vendor shenanigans was incredibly unlikely, the fruit mechanic was incredibly swingy based on which strategy town used to vend (and if there was one thing I took issue with in PB's play it was not outing that having lots of peaches gave additional powers) which was exacerbated by the optimal fruit strategy being directly counter to the optimal watcher strategy. The sman shot as a means of telling scum to avoid probable watcher targets was poorly implemented and implied the existence of a protective that never showed up.

FWIW, I too would like to see Zaiden come back and give the site another chance, because this really isn't the normal level of moderation on ms, but I understand if he doesn't want to.
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