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Post #15 (isolation #0) » Fri Jan 29, 2021 8:20 am
Postby hercule »
well. i am feeling pretty fuckin mad about ABR ruining the game. I put way too much effort in for a goddamn scumflip. Town had the upperhand but mafia battled really fucking hard to get out of the ABR vs. Xtoxm situation and I think came out of it pretty well positioned in the thread. I was about to case the fuck out of mastina and hopefully we could have ended the day on a town elim. It was an uphill battle for us though. I'm happy with how both scum and town played.
that being said. might as well benefit from my previous scumflip by spewing myself town. that was about the hardest i've tried after a scumflip and it's because it was so important for the team mafia dynamics to get a town win. here were my tactics:
1. use unfamiliarity with my meta to do things that are easier for me to fake as scum: ISOs, precrunched analysis, and avoid interacting in realtime in the thread except to make jokes or push back on scumreads on my own slot
2. lean on my precrunched analysis to defend townreads on my partners or scumreads on town. avoid thinking on my feet and evaluating in realtime unless it's obviously necessary
3. avoid bussing except where absolutely possible (never was going to retract tr on cephrir, had to put reasonable doubt on ABR and xtoxm considering how likely it was they were limmed that game)
4. push on reads that conveniently ignore meta about slots and push the perspective that i don't know anyone and don't care about meta
5. use the fact that the game is large as an excuse to not have to form reads. when i'm town, reads simply come naturally to me. as scum, i have to go post by post and make sure that my reads make sense. as town, i simply vibe
and finally, the quintessential block of my entire scumgame
6. reacting strongly to objectively false comments in order to summon genuine emotion
for example, super forgot that I was scum and told me a read on ythan on page 1, so I used that to firmly push back on Ythan for saying I was lying - I wasn't
now, that being said, I am typing this up pre-flip. If you are seeing this, I am probably town. I don't think I would post this if I flip mafia, the WIFOM wouldn't be worth revealing my entire playbook.
also shoutout mastina, you may have thought xtoxm vs. abr was town vs. town but your scumreads on me and Cephrir made you an absolute threat and contributed to my decision to scumcase and push you right before the game was ruined
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Post #19 (isolation #1) » Fri Jan 29, 2021 8:23 am
Postby hercule »
helloooooooooooooooooooo my friends it feels great to be here. i made a vocaroo reaction to my role pm but implosion said they would prefer for me not to post it so.
i will try to reel in the insufferably lamisty energy i exude but i do just want to express one thought that's fucking funny to me. i kept referring to my team as the 4/4 town gods last game cuz i told them i wanted everyone to embody our full team flipping town and let it seep into everyone's game cuz i was the only one who flipped mafia and i wanted to manifest myself as town. and then IT ACTUALLY HAPPENED lmaooo 4/4 town gods for real. they all got scumflips on d1 so time for us to do the same.
In post 17, innocentvillager wrote:yeah hercule you snowed me really bad i had you in my top tier with oka hopkirk and unwnd.
bro i was trying probably harder than i've ever tried as scum i'm a little mad it got ruined
Don't worry you weren't going to make it very far.
well. i was feeling pretty good about the progress we made cuz the game was split, like people were SRing me for trying to box in xtoxm/abr and they thought it was tvt so we prob had some good interactions, but yeah that shit was an uphill battle
ftr my team were briefed on hercule's scum meta and had we flipped xtoxm, hercule would have probably been bye bye, i will say koba gave us some tips on scum!hercule and even though dkkoba was like "he's town", everyone else on the team were like "but u just described his play this game"
no mention of that top sekrit thing in hercules wall so hehehehuehuehuehe
ahem then again the only reason why we wanted to flip hercule was because we thought xtoxm/hercule/mastina was it and i didn't want to push mastina
ftr my team were briefed on hercule's scum meta and had we flipped xtoxm, hercule would have probably been bye bye, i will say koba gave us some tips on scum!hercule and even though dkkoba was like "he's town", everyone else on the team were like "but u just described his play this game"
no mention of that top sekrit thing in hercules wall so hehehehuehuehuehe
ahem then again the only reason why we wanted to flip hercule was because we thought xtoxm/hercule/mastina was it and i didn't want to push mastina
wait you scumread me the whole time???? damn
the thing is if you read my iso that game i kept hinting at a fake townread and it was you lmao xd
but i really wanted to kill xtoxm and you were helping so i made a political choice
imagine making a picture of us as best friends and doing this to me. friendship with okapoka cancelled.
In post 31, hercule wrote:ok well let's not play shit on hercule ok i am proud of how i did
im complimenting you! that's how towny you were to me, i would've been sus if you weren't NK'd soon-ish lol.
one reason I TR'd you was from all your team interactions, i think that is like, wayyy more NAI than I thought it was previously, especially for a team like yours.
okie ty. yeah I literally was spamming them like guyssss i need you to scumhunt so people think we're townnn. spf kept giving me ISOs where she sr ceph though so i kept not sharing them LOL
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Post #42 (isolation #11) » Fri Jan 29, 2021 8:33 am
Postby hercule »
In post 39, innocentvillager wrote:town was very likely going to win, unless Cephrir/ABR started obvtowning. Xtoxm was a goner at some point and hercule was not enough and apparently others were sus of them so yeah
my reads were no better than a coinflip but oh well I don't expect much from myself d1! lol
pedit: Hopkirk you were amazing and ur towniness shined through like a beautiful beacon of pure townie energy
the fact that town kept tinfoiling towny ass ppl was the only possible saving grace.
In post 31, hercule wrote:ok well let's not play shit on hercule ok i am proud of how i did
im complimenting you! that's how towny you were to me, i would've been sus if you weren't NK'd soon-ish lol.
one reason I TR'd you was from all your team interactions, i think that is like, wayyy more NAI than I thought it was previously, especially for a team like yours.
okie ty. yeah I literally was spamming them like guyssss i need you to scumhunt so people think we're townnn. spf kept giving me ISOs where she sr ceph though so i kept not sharing them LOL
did you... try asking your team to case people who weren't scum with you? that feels like a communication error on your part tbh
uhhhh yeah idk i just wanted it to be natural, i figured natural sounding reads would sound better. like i asked spf to look at the towncore and she came back saying everyone was town but shes's sus of ceph so i'm like. k. what i'm supposed to do with this LOL. if i had a redo yeah i would prob be more direct in like "ok case this guy as scum"
In post 43, Hopkirk wrote:did you... try asking your team to case people who weren't scum with you? that feels like a communication error on your part tbh
yah how does that work? i should really just view all team interaction stuff as NAI because clearly I have no fucking concept of what kinds of team interactions are town!indicative
well speaking from experience like, we had a lot more discussions in the team chat about other games because there was more stuff to discuss. there's less genuine interaction about reads when ur scum, cuz everyone has TMI. you can't just fake a full discussion (though i suppose someone could try to now that i've vocalized it). i asked a bit about what to do re: xtoxm vs abr, but like other than that it was more like pushing my team to ISO or case specific people, or just like proofreading my posts occasionally to make sure i didn't slip. ironically i asked petapan to read my ISOs and he's just like: "bruh post it no one is reading that shit" . none of us really were reading other games entirely except we were all particularly focused on black flag (which i think i can talk about now since it's done?) cuz super was getting really frustrated with how she was being treated and I really wanted to help her in particular
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Post #53 (isolation #15) » Fri Jan 29, 2021 8:42 am
Postby hercule »
yes your team has to be aware of your alignment, your partners, and their roles. it's in the rules. super kind of slipped in her game cuz she already knew that lmaooo and that was cuz I had already tried to do the thing where they don't know roles but verified I can't. The thing is like spf would be like "i am pretty sure ceph is ur partner but im just trying to give my actual thoughts"
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Post #84 (isolation #18) » Fri Jan 29, 2021 8:58 am
Postby hercule »
i just want ceph and xtoxm to log in and look me in the eyes and i will either see deep wells of sadness or we will have a cathartic embrace and then i will Know
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Post #90 (isolation #20) » Fri Jan 29, 2021 9:01 am
Postby hercule »
wheres DGB i'm rly excited to play with them this game they were cracking me up. i was legit so flustered trying to figure out if they were being serious or not with their reads on me
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Post #92 (isolation #21) » Fri Jan 29, 2021 9:03 am
Postby hercule »
In post 91, Hopkirk wrote:what we should do is pick the most anti-memer player and put them on like 6-7 votes before they reach the thread. they'll enter the thread for the first time and see they're a massive wagon and they'll just hate us all so much
lowkey if we put 6 votes on xtoxm and they are scum they might s*b out when they check the thread
In post 130, innocentvillager wrote:can you guys stop cluttering the thread with shit and non-game content? it's really fucking annoying when im trying to play this game for real and actually find scum.
yeah, seconding this. can anyone third it?
uhh no tbh it's coming across a bit whiny from innocentvillager, he already scumclaimed and knows the whole scumteam. so if anything i find the request condescending and obnoxious
In post 130, innocentvillager wrote:can you guys stop cluttering the thread with shit and non-game content? it's really fucking annoying when im trying to play this game for real and actually find scum.
yeah, seconding this. can anyone third it?
uhh no tbh it's coming across a bit whiny from innocentvillager, he already scumclaimed and knows the whole scumteam. so if anything i find the request condescending and obnoxious
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Post #154 (isolation #36) » Fri Jan 29, 2021 9:31 am
Postby hercule »
not this thread opening right as I was about to dive into some work and then me being distracted for an hour plus. k. gonna extract myself. i trust that when i return it will be n1 after xtoxm was speedwagoned.
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Post #171 (isolation #37) » Fri Jan 29, 2021 10:16 am
Postby hercule »
actually idk what the standard for announcing this is but I forgot my stepdad was staying over at my place tonight so I will be a good host and V/LA until tomorrow afternoon or so
In post 90, hercule wrote:wheres DGB i'm rly excited to play with them this game they were cracking me up. i was legit so flustered trying to figure out if they were being serious or not with their reads on me
I was serious but there was no momentum to yeet you, I put it on the backburner and called it a joke.
I'm more ambivalent on DGB (she could be town, could be scum, hard to tell for sure), but I legit buy that you're town here, so.
hercule
Hopkirk
innocentvillager
OkaPoka
jjh927
Cephrir
Ythan
Almost50
AGar (null--he did check in but didn't continue to post)
Winter Flakes (alt of Uncrowned)
DrippingGoofball (ambivalent--can see her as town or scum, not sure which)
Titus
Lady Lambdadelta
the worst
Dunnstral
Dannflor
Xtoxm
Locktown, townreads, various shade of nullread, candidates-for-fourth-scum, scum?
coming into the game I was trying to keep an eye out for people who were quick to try and recreate the "vibes" of last game but either felt like they were forcing it or just felt distinctly different from last game in how they went about it. Very start of this game has ythan, hopkirk, okapoka, hercule, and IV talking the most. There's no actual content here but it's the type of memey early back and forth that creates (dare I say) good vibes between people and that scum wouldn't hate to establish a foothold in (like hercule had so pointedly done at the very beginning of last game).
off the bat I do agree that hercule feels different this game. He's less shy about directly interacting with people so far and I vaguely liked that he was the one that took the initiative on the meme xtoxm wagon. I don't think his change in approach or tone are things that he wouldn't necessarily be able to do as scum, and I think watching to see if he's able to keep this same type of energy up over a longer period of time will be most indicative for him, but for now I'm comfortable putting him slightly above everyone else.
ythan was who I originally landed on as feeling somewhat suspicious out of the starting meme/vibe/hangout group. just a purely gut reaction but he felt more on the outside looking in and #83 in particular just felt like kind of a forced way to match his energy to the thread. Reading back now though, I don't really see his posting so much as trying to cement himself within the vibes (whatever the hell that actually means) as just poking around rather nonchalantly. He doesn't post that much and doesn't seem particularly desperate to be "in the vibes" which is my new term for people trying to get themselves in the early meme town block I guess?
I actually do lean town on Hopkirk. I won't go into details but I was having a terrible day at work so I think it's at least a little town indicative that Hopkirk and Hectic were sensitive to me feeling a little more dour than usual today? At least, I feel like it should be town indicative. I'm not really giving the same points to Mastina given she came in after Hopkirk and her approach feels a little less curious/thoughtful than Hopkirk's wtr to my slot. although I don't scum read her.
innocent villager I ended up switching my vote to after just one too many posts that I felt were... a little forced? Like to me, the "hahaha I'm scum no I'm not let's be silly guys" stuff was fun for the first few pages but IV seemed intent on continuing it for just a bit longer. It just felt like it crossed the line of someone trying too hard to continue the vibing shit posts while also making it 100% explicit that "I'm just shit posting guys." I dunno, just slightly more self aware than everyone else who was casually shit posting.
It also felt like an intentional choice? Is that a right read IV? It stood out to me and I'm wondering if you were trying to accomplish something specific with the "guys I'm scum" shit posts or if you just didn't want to let go of the fun
Also I'm not sure I vibe with your jump on Cephrir as I think interpreting "don't post your reads list every page" as "Cephrir must hate mastina's reads" feels like just looking for something to attack
I don't have any real thoughts on anyone else yet. OkaPoka feels the same as last game but I don't think that actually means anything for their slot. I thought the worst's pop in was kind of weird on a gut level? but I assume that's just because duck hasn't read the game yet.
coming into the game I was trying to keep an eye out for people who were quick to try and recreate the "vibes" of last game but either felt like they were forcing it or just felt distinctly different from last game in how they went about it. Very start of this game has ythan, hopkirk, okapoka, hercule, and IV talking the most. There's no actual content here but it's the type of memey early back and forth that creates (dare I say) good vibes between people and that scum wouldn't hate to establish a foothold in (like hercule had so pointedly done at the very beginning of last game).
off the bat I do agree that hercule feels different this game. He's less shy about directly interacting with people so far and I vaguely liked that he was the one that took the initiative on the meme xtoxm wagon. I don't think his change in approach or tone are things that he wouldn't necessarily be able to do as scum, and I think watching to see if he's able to keep this same type of energy up over a longer period of time will be most indicative for him, but for now I'm comfortable putting him slightly above everyone else.
ythan was who I originally landed on as feeling somewhat suspicious out of the starting meme/vibe/hangout group. just a purely gut reaction but he felt more on the outside looking in and #83 in particular just felt like kind of a forced way to match his energy to the thread. Reading back now though, I don't really see his posting so much as trying to cement himself within the vibes (whatever the hell that actually means) as just poking around rather nonchalantly. He doesn't post that much and doesn't seem particularly desperate to be "in the vibes" which is my new term for people trying to get themselves in the early meme town block I guess?
I actually do lean town on Hopkirk. I won't go into details but I was having a terrible day at work so I think it's at least a little town indicative that Hopkirk and Hectic were sensitive to me feeling a little more dour than usual today? At least, I feel like it should be town indicative. I'm not really giving the same points to Mastina given she came in after Hopkirk and her approach feels a little less curious/thoughtful than Hopkirk's wtr to my slot. although I don't scum read her.
innocent villager I ended up switching my vote to after just one too many posts that I felt were... a little forced? Like to me, the "hahaha I'm scum no I'm not let's be silly guys" stuff was fun for the first few pages but IV seemed intent on continuing it for just a bit longer. It just felt like it crossed the line of someone trying too hard to continue the vibing shit posts while also making it 100% explicit that "I'm just shit posting guys." I dunno, just slightly more self aware than everyone else who was casually shit posting.
It also felt like an intentional choice? Is that a right read IV? It stood out to me and I'm wondering if you were trying to accomplish something specific with the "guys I'm scum" shit posts or if you just didn't want to let go of the fun
Also I'm not sure I vibe with your jump on Cephrir as I think interpreting "don't post your reads list every page" as "Cephrir must hate mastina's reads" feels like just looking for something to attack
I don't have any real thoughts on anyone else yet. OkaPoka feels the same as last game but I don't think that actually means anything for their slot. I thought the worst's pop in was kind of weird on a gut level? but I assume that's just because duck hasn't read the game yet.
This is a thoughtful post and I agree with the contents
I don't think there's a lot to get good reads off of before this post
I'm open to Cephrir being town this time but he's going to have to show it in a way that I can interpret, because his current posting makes me want to say don't townread him so fast
Though I can understand him not liking mastina being a real thought, even from last game where he was scum
coming into the game I was trying to keep an eye out for people who were quick to try and recreate the "vibes" of last game but either felt like they were forcing it or just felt distinctly different from last game in how they went about it. Very start of this game has ythan, hopkirk, okapoka, hercule, and IV talking the most. There's no actual content here but it's the type of memey early back and forth that creates (dare I say) good vibes between people and that scum wouldn't hate to establish a foothold in (like hercule had so pointedly done at the very beginning of last game).
off the bat I do agree that hercule feels different this game. He's less shy about directly interacting with people so far and I vaguely liked that he was the one that took the initiative on the meme xtoxm wagon. I don't think his change in approach or tone are things that he wouldn't necessarily be able to do as scum, and I think watching to see if he's able to keep this same type of energy up over a longer period of time will be most indicative for him, but for now I'm comfortable putting him slightly above everyone else.
ythan was who I originally landed on as feeling somewhat suspicious out of the starting meme/vibe/hangout group. just a purely gut reaction but he felt more on the outside looking in and #83 in particular just felt like kind of a forced way to match his energy to the thread. Reading back now though, I don't really see his posting so much as trying to cement himself within the vibes (whatever the hell that actually means) as just poking around rather nonchalantly. He doesn't post that much and doesn't seem particularly desperate to be "in the vibes" which is my new term for people trying to get themselves in the early meme town block I guess?
I actually do lean town on Hopkirk. I won't go into details but I was having a terrible day at work so I think it's at least a little town indicative that Hopkirk and Hectic were sensitive to me feeling a little more dour than usual today? At least, I feel like it should be town indicative. I'm not really giving the same points to Mastina given she came in after Hopkirk and her approach feels a little less curious/thoughtful than Hopkirk's wtr to my slot. although I don't scum read her.
innocent villager I ended up switching my vote to after just one too many posts that I felt were... a little forced? Like to me, the "hahaha I'm scum no I'm not let's be silly guys" stuff was fun for the first few pages but IV seemed intent on continuing it for just a bit longer. It just felt like it crossed the line of someone trying too hard to continue the vibing shit posts while also making it 100% explicit that "I'm just shit posting guys." I dunno, just slightly more self aware than everyone else who was casually shit posting.
It also felt like an intentional choice? Is that a right read IV? It stood out to me and I'm wondering if you were trying to accomplish something specific with the "guys I'm scum" shit posts or if you just didn't want to let go of the fun
Also I'm not sure I vibe with your jump on Cephrir as I think interpreting "don't post your reads list every page" as "Cephrir must hate mastina's reads" feels like just looking for something to attack
I don't have any real thoughts on anyone else yet. OkaPoka feels the same as last game but I don't think that actually means anything for their slot. I thought the worst's pop in was kind of weird on a gut level? but I assume that's just because duck hasn't read the game yet.
This is a thoughtful post and I agree with the contents
While I do agree it is fairly thoughtful and the contents are objectively decent-to-good, it is very much: not a townpost.
In fact I'm
pretty
sure this is a Dann-scum post. In like...the 90% percentile range--it's not a lockscum beyond all shadow of doubt lockscum post from Dann, but I'm PRETTY sure it's Dann as scum here.
In post 316, mastina wrote:While I do agree it is fairly thoughtful and the contents are objectively decent-to-good, it is very much: not a townpost.
In fact I'm pretty sure this is a Dann-scum post. In like...the 90% percentile range--it's not a lockscum beyond all shadow of doubt lockscum post from Dann, but I'm PRETTY sure it's Dann as scum here.
coming into the game I was trying to keep an eye out for people who were quick to try and recreate the "vibes" of last game but either felt like they were forcing it or just felt distinctly different from last game in how they went about it. Very start of this game has ythan, hopkirk, okapoka, hercule, and IV talking the most. There's no actual content here but it's the type of memey early back and forth that creates (dare I say) good vibes between people and that scum wouldn't hate to establish a foothold in (like hercule had so pointedly done at the very beginning of last game).
off the bat I do agree that hercule feels different this game. He's less shy about directly interacting with people so far and I vaguely liked that he was the one that took the initiative on the meme xtoxm wagon. I don't think his change in approach or tone are things that he wouldn't necessarily be able to do as scum, and I think watching to see if he's able to keep this same type of energy up over a longer period of time will be most indicative for him, but for now I'm comfortable putting him slightly above everyone else.
ythan was who I originally landed on as feeling somewhat suspicious out of the starting meme/vibe/hangout group. just a purely gut reaction but he felt more on the outside looking in and #83 in particular just felt like kind of a forced way to match his energy to the thread. Reading back now though, I don't really see his posting so much as trying to cement himself within the vibes (whatever the hell that actually means) as just poking around rather nonchalantly. He doesn't post that much and doesn't seem particularly desperate to be "in the vibes" which is my new term for people trying to get themselves in the early meme town block I guess?
I actually do lean town on Hopkirk. I won't go into details but I was having a terrible day at work so I think it's at least a little town indicative that Hopkirk and Hectic were sensitive to me feeling a little more dour than usual today? At least, I feel like it should be town indicative. I'm not really giving the same points to Mastina given she came in after Hopkirk and her approach feels a little less curious/thoughtful than Hopkirk's wtr to my slot. although I don't scum read her.
innocent villager I ended up switching my vote to after just one too many posts that I felt were... a little forced? Like to me, the "hahaha I'm scum no I'm not let's be silly guys" stuff was fun for the first few pages but IV seemed intent on continuing it for just a bit longer. It just felt like it crossed the line of someone trying too hard to continue the vibing shit posts while also making it 100% explicit that "I'm just shit posting guys." I dunno, just slightly more self aware than everyone else who was casually shit posting.
It also felt like an intentional choice? Is that a right read IV? It stood out to me and I'm wondering if you were trying to accomplish something specific with the "guys I'm scum" shit posts or if you just didn't want to let go of the fun
Also I'm not sure I vibe with your jump on Cephrir as I think interpreting "don't post your reads list every page" as "Cephrir must hate mastina's reads" feels like just looking for something to attack
I don't have any real thoughts on anyone else yet. OkaPoka feels the same as last game but I don't think that actually means anything for their slot. I thought the worst's pop in was kind of weird on a gut level? but I assume that's just because duck hasn't read the game yet.
Hercule was also quick to gain townreads early last game
If he rolled scum again he could easily look different to look town
People started cluing in on him as the game went on and discussion about other peoples' alignments started
What I'm trying to say is that reading him off tone on the first few pages is a bad idea, again
In post 327, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:(It helps Hercule's entrance was garbage, but honestly I was just waiting to Mastina to post one of these lists so I can do my standard Mastina play which is just to eliminate players in inverse order of her preference.)
It wins the game more than it loses the game, and that's a fact.
In post 334, OkaPoka wrote:the thing is i can see hercule prewriting his entrance idk if that makes him scum but it makes him a nerd
In post 19, hercule wrote:helloooooooooooooooooooo my friends it feels great to be here. i made a vocaroo reaction to my role pm but implosion said they would prefer for me not to post it so.
i will try to reel in the insufferably lamisty energy i exude but i do just want to express one thought that's fucking funny to me. i kept referring to my team as the 4/4 town gods last game cuz i told them i wanted everyone to embody our full team flipping town and let it seep into everyone's game cuz i was the only one who flipped mafia and i wanted to manifest myself as town. and then IT ACTUALLY HAPPENED lmaooo 4/4 town gods for real. they all got scumflips on d1 so time for us to do the same.
but still fuck ABR
this is the more damning post in my mind. Pre-writing is one thing if you don;t know your alignment, but this post has to have come post alignment knowledge by definition.
In post 334, OkaPoka wrote:the thing is i can see hercule prewriting his entrance idk if that makes him scum but it makes him a nerd
Like to be clear, I could also see him prewriting that opening post, which admittedly would only be a thing that matters if he did not know his alignment at the time.
But the second post is the more damning one, and is in stark contrast to the first post as feeling far more improvisational, despite referencing an event that occurred before the thread opening.
It is guaranteed to have been done and known post alignment knowledge, which makes it alignment indicative, so we can toss aside concerns of NAI/Neutrality in favour of looking at it with a lens.
In post 340, innocentvillager wrote:if hercule pre-wrote the entrance post then why did he post it if he's scum? saying he prewrote implies he genuinely believes that scum!him will not post that. if he's scum, he either had a change of heart and went "ehh, i'll post it anyway bc LOL" or he changed it somehow.
you can't just toss it aside and pretend it doesn't exist because he prewrote it.
If he pre-wrote it prior to knowing his alignment, it wouldn't have any tone leakage. If he is scum and chose to post it anyway, it would be for that reason and as a good entry cover to not get early wagoned.
If he's town, he does it because he wanted to post it.
and as both alignments, if he did work on it, he'd like it to see the light of day
so essentially, the first post, if written prior to seeing alignment, is unusable to read him on because even the logic for "why post it as scum" is easily found and also wifom.
Your post here is effectively contentless, because this is a prima facie concept and should be grasped simply. Why did you miss this, and why did you think it was a good idea to challenge in this way? What were you gaining?
Note that the second post is exempt from this above logic BECAUSE IT IS CONFIRMABLE that by this point he has known his alignment, prewritten or NOT.
In post 353, innocentvillager wrote:the more i read the more im thinking im the idiot here for not grasping what you are saying and that we might be talking past each other on hercule's 1st post
I've read hercule's 2nd post and I don't get the "fucking awful" vibes that you are getting from it. He probably didn't prewrite the 2nd post so that's why it seems improvisational and I think it's fine if it references his voice reaction from 12h ago or whatever?
idk, im pretty mixed on hercule especially now that everyone is shading them but it's not like, unexpected shade to me given his posting style i guess
In post 361, OkaPoka wrote:well i guess maybe the best way to describe my thoughts on hercule:
his first posts feel a lil performative
In post 364, innocentvillager wrote:im starting to think the whole "i wouldn't post this as scum" thing is most likely either a) B.S. he came up with post-PM or b) something hercule actually thought on first-draft, and if he rolled scum he re-evaluated it from a scum perspective and still decided to post it
so I don't think it's that likely scum!him scrapped his whole post anymore
the idea is that with a playstyle that open, eventually town is probably going to ask you for your scum!approach last game anyway and it looks better if you pre-emptively post it yourself
but yeah maybe we can wait for hercule for more color. i enjoyed being the annoying hyperposting kitty for one day but it's time to sleep and lurk out the rest of the game
i'm like midway through catching up and i keep adding stuff to my multi-quote and i feel like this was a foolish tactic cuz im gonna end up with like 100 quotes lmao
true my thought on innocentvillager at this point is that his tone seems different than last game (more jokey / memey). i will prob have to do a direct comparison though because my perception is skewed by the fact i was mafia last game and therefore read everyone's tone as town
I'm more ambivalent on DGB (she could be town, could be scum, hard to tell for sure), but I legit buy that you're town here, so.
hercule
Hopkirk
innocentvillager
OkaPoka
jjh927
Cephrir
Ythan
Almost50
AGar (null--he did check in but didn't continue to post)
Winter Flakes (alt of Uncrowned)
DrippingGoofball (ambivalent--can see her as town or scum, not sure which)
Titus
Lady Lambdadelta
the worst
Dunnstral
Dannflor
Xtoxm
Locktown, townreads, various shade of nullread, candidates-for-fourth-scum, scum?
@mastina i was planning to push on you last game for saying stuff like this so i'm aware this could be your towngame, but now that I have to figure out your alignment I need to know: how can you possibly call anyone locktown this early? what does that mean to you? give me a little insight into how you approach scumhunting in a game like this
coming into the game I was trying to keep an eye out for people who were quick to try and recreate the "vibes" of last game but either felt like they were forcing it or just felt distinctly different from last game in how they went about it. Very start of this game has ythan, hopkirk, okapoka, hercule, and IV talking the most. There's no actual content here but it's the type of memey early back and forth that creates (dare I say) good vibes between people and that scum wouldn't hate to establish a foothold in (like hercule had so pointedly done at the very beginning of last game).
off the bat I do agree that hercule feels different this game. He's less shy about directly interacting with people so far and I vaguely liked that he was the one that took the initiative on the meme xtoxm wagon. I don't think his change in approach or tone are things that he wouldn't necessarily be able to do as scum, and I think watching to see if he's able to keep this same type of energy up over a longer period of time will be most indicative for him, but for now I'm comfortable putting him slightly above everyone else.
ythan was who I originally landed on as feeling somewhat suspicious out of the starting meme/vibe/hangout group. just a purely gut reaction but he felt more on the outside looking in and #83 in particular just felt like kind of a forced way to match his energy to the thread. Reading back now though, I don't really see his posting so much as trying to cement himself within the vibes (whatever the hell that actually means) as just poking around rather nonchalantly. He doesn't post that much and doesn't seem particularly desperate to be "in the vibes" which is my new term for people trying to get themselves in the early meme town block I guess?
I actually do lean town on Hopkirk. I won't go into details but I was having a terrible day at work so I think it's at least a little town indicative that Hopkirk and Hectic were sensitive to me feeling a little more dour than usual today? At least, I feel like it should be town indicative. I'm not really giving the same points to Mastina given she came in after Hopkirk and her approach feels a little less curious/thoughtful than Hopkirk's wtr to my slot. although I don't scum read her.
innocent villager I ended up switching my vote to after just one too many posts that I felt were... a little forced? Like to me, the "hahaha I'm scum no I'm not let's be silly guys" stuff was fun for the first few pages but IV seemed intent on continuing it for just a bit longer. It just felt like it crossed the line of someone trying too hard to continue the vibing shit posts while also making it 100% explicit that "I'm just shit posting guys." I dunno, just slightly more self aware than everyone else who was casually shit posting.
It also felt like an intentional choice? Is that a right read IV? It stood out to me and I'm wondering if you were trying to accomplish something specific with the "guys I'm scum" shit posts or if you just didn't want to let go of the fun
Also I'm not sure I vibe with your jump on Cephrir as I think interpreting "don't post your reads list every page" as "Cephrir must hate mastina's reads" feels like just looking for something to attack
I don't have any real thoughts on anyone else yet. OkaPoka feels the same as last game but I don't think that actually means anything for their slot. I thought the worst's pop in was kind of weird on a gut level? but I assume that's just because duck hasn't read the game yet.
i townlean hop as well, peta had told me they hadn't been mafia in years and I think their intro would have been more stilted or forced as scum. verdict is out on iv. ceph I think seems very similar in tone to last game, I would have expected a bit more visible excitement to flip town but I'm considering to possibly just be their personality for now.
one thing about this post though: I had the exact same thought. I feel like it's pretty obvious that we have a previous game to compare and that scum are going to have to try to emulate their towngame from last game. Idk if the observation itself is that towny to me.
coming into the game I was trying to keep an eye out for people who were quick to try and recreate the "vibes" of last game but either felt like they were forcing it or just felt distinctly different from last game in how they went about it. Very start of this game has ythan, hopkirk, okapoka, hercule, and IV talking the most. There's no actual content here but it's the type of memey early back and forth that creates (dare I say) good vibes between people and that scum wouldn't hate to establish a foothold in (like hercule had so pointedly done at the very beginning of last game).
off the bat I do agree that hercule feels different this game. He's less shy about directly interacting with people so far and I vaguely liked that he was the one that took the initiative on the meme xtoxm wagon. I don't think his change in approach or tone are things that he wouldn't necessarily be able to do as scum, and I think watching to see if he's able to keep this same type of energy up over a longer period of time will be most indicative for him, but for now I'm comfortable putting him slightly above everyone else.
ythan was who I originally landed on as feeling somewhat suspicious out of the starting meme/vibe/hangout group. just a purely gut reaction but he felt more on the outside looking in and #83 in particular just felt like kind of a forced way to match his energy to the thread. Reading back now though, I don't really see his posting so much as trying to cement himself within the vibes (whatever the hell that actually means) as just poking around rather nonchalantly. He doesn't post that much and doesn't seem particularly desperate to be "in the vibes" which is my new term for people trying to get themselves in the early meme town block I guess?
I actually do lean town on Hopkirk. I won't go into details but I was having a terrible day at work so I think it's at least a little town indicative that Hopkirk and Hectic were sensitive to me feeling a little more dour than usual today? At least, I feel like it should be town indicative. I'm not really giving the same points to Mastina given she came in after Hopkirk and her approach feels a little less curious/thoughtful than Hopkirk's wtr to my slot. although I don't scum read her.
innocent villager I ended up switching my vote to after just one too many posts that I felt were... a little forced? Like to me, the "hahaha I'm scum no I'm not let's be silly guys" stuff was fun for the first few pages but IV seemed intent on continuing it for just a bit longer. It just felt like it crossed the line of someone trying too hard to continue the vibing shit posts while also making it 100% explicit that "I'm just shit posting guys." I dunno, just slightly more self aware than everyone else who was casually shit posting.
It also felt like an intentional choice? Is that a right read IV? It stood out to me and I'm wondering if you were trying to accomplish something specific with the "guys I'm scum" shit posts or if you just didn't want to let go of the fun
Also I'm not sure I vibe with your jump on Cephrir as I think interpreting "don't post your reads list every page" as "Cephrir must hate mastina's reads" feels like just looking for something to attack
I don't have any real thoughts on anyone else yet. OkaPoka feels the same as last game but I don't think that actually means anything for their slot. I thought the worst's pop in was kind of weird on a gut level? but I assume that's just because duck hasn't read the game yet.
This is a thoughtful post and I agree with the contents
I don't think there's a lot to get good reads off of before this post
I'm open to Cephrir being town this time but he's going to have to show it in a way that I can interpret, because his current posting makes me want to say don't townread him so fast
Though I can understand him not liking mastina being a real thought, even from last game where he was scum
I don't know why I quoted this, maybe I was going to say what I said above about not sure how town indicative the thoughts contained tin the post were.
coming into the game I was trying to keep an eye out for people who were quick to try and recreate the "vibes" of last game but either felt like they were forcing it or just felt distinctly different from last game in how they went about it. Very start of this game has ythan, hopkirk, okapoka, hercule, and IV talking the most. There's no actual content here but it's the type of memey early back and forth that creates (dare I say) good vibes between people and that scum wouldn't hate to establish a foothold in (like hercule had so pointedly done at the very beginning of last game).
off the bat I do agree that hercule feels different this game. He's less shy about directly interacting with people so far and I vaguely liked that he was the one that took the initiative on the meme xtoxm wagon. I don't think his change in approach or tone are things that he wouldn't necessarily be able to do as scum, and I think watching to see if he's able to keep this same type of energy up over a longer period of time will be most indicative for him, but for now I'm comfortable putting him slightly above everyone else.
ythan was who I originally landed on as feeling somewhat suspicious out of the starting meme/vibe/hangout group. just a purely gut reaction but he felt more on the outside looking in and #83 in particular just felt like kind of a forced way to match his energy to the thread. Reading back now though, I don't really see his posting so much as trying to cement himself within the vibes (whatever the hell that actually means) as just poking around rather nonchalantly. He doesn't post that much and doesn't seem particularly desperate to be "in the vibes" which is my new term for people trying to get themselves in the early meme town block I guess?
I actually do lean town on Hopkirk. I won't go into details but I was having a terrible day at work so I think it's at least a little town indicative that Hopkirk and Hectic were sensitive to me feeling a little more dour than usual today? At least, I feel like it should be town indicative. I'm not really giving the same points to Mastina given she came in after Hopkirk and her approach feels a little less curious/thoughtful than Hopkirk's wtr to my slot. although I don't scum read her.
innocent villager I ended up switching my vote to after just one too many posts that I felt were... a little forced? Like to me, the "hahaha I'm scum no I'm not let's be silly guys" stuff was fun for the first few pages but IV seemed intent on continuing it for just a bit longer. It just felt like it crossed the line of someone trying too hard to continue the vibing shit posts while also making it 100% explicit that "I'm just shit posting guys." I dunno, just slightly more self aware than everyone else who was casually shit posting.
It also felt like an intentional choice? Is that a right read IV? It stood out to me and I'm wondering if you were trying to accomplish something specific with the "guys I'm scum" shit posts or if you just didn't want to let go of the fun
Also I'm not sure I vibe with your jump on Cephrir as I think interpreting "don't post your reads list every page" as "Cephrir must hate mastina's reads" feels like just looking for something to attack
I don't have any real thoughts on anyone else yet. OkaPoka feels the same as last game but I don't think that actually means anything for their slot. I thought the worst's pop in was kind of weird on a gut level? but I assume that's just because duck hasn't read the game yet.
This is a thoughtful post and I agree with the contents
While I do agree it is fairly thoughtful and the contents are objectively decent-to-good, it is very much: not a townpost.
In fact I'm
pretty
sure this is a Dann-scum post. In like...the 90% percentile range--it's not a lockscum beyond all shadow of doubt lockscum post from Dann, but I'm PRETTY sure it's Dann as scum here.
can you give some more detail on why you think it's a dann-scum post? I do value meta but only when it's explained in a way that's digestible for me.
In post 316, mastina wrote:While I do agree it is fairly thoughtful and the contents are objectively decent-to-good, it is very much: not a townpost.
In fact I'm pretty sure this is a Dann-scum post. In like...the 90% percentile range--it's not a lockscum beyond all shadow of doubt lockscum post from Dann, but I'm PRETTY sure it's Dann as scum here.
coming into the game I was trying to keep an eye out for people who were quick to try and recreate the "vibes" of last game but either felt like they were forcing it or just felt distinctly different from last game in how they went about it. Very start of this game has ythan, hopkirk, okapoka, hercule, and IV talking the most. There's no actual content here but it's the type of memey early back and forth that creates (dare I say) good vibes between people and that scum wouldn't hate to establish a foothold in (like hercule had so pointedly done at the very beginning of last game).
off the bat I do agree that hercule feels different this game. He's less shy about directly interacting with people so far and I vaguely liked that he was the one that took the initiative on the meme xtoxm wagon. I don't think his change in approach or tone are things that he wouldn't necessarily be able to do as scum, and I think watching to see if he's able to keep this same type of energy up over a longer period of time will be most indicative for him, but for now I'm comfortable putting him slightly above everyone else.
ythan was who I originally landed on as feeling somewhat suspicious out of the starting meme/vibe/hangout group. just a purely gut reaction but he felt more on the outside looking in and #83 in particular just felt like kind of a forced way to match his energy to the thread. Reading back now though, I don't really see his posting so much as trying to cement himself within the vibes (whatever the hell that actually means) as just poking around rather nonchalantly. He doesn't post that much and doesn't seem particularly desperate to be "in the vibes" which is my new term for people trying to get themselves in the early meme town block I guess?
I actually do lean town on Hopkirk. I won't go into details but I was having a terrible day at work so I think it's at least a little town indicative that Hopkirk and Hectic were sensitive to me feeling a little more dour than usual today? At least, I feel like it should be town indicative. I'm not really giving the same points to Mastina given she came in after Hopkirk and her approach feels a little less curious/thoughtful than Hopkirk's wtr to my slot. although I don't scum read her.
innocent villager I ended up switching my vote to after just one too many posts that I felt were... a little forced? Like to me, the "hahaha I'm scum no I'm not let's be silly guys" stuff was fun for the first few pages but IV seemed intent on continuing it for just a bit longer. It just felt like it crossed the line of someone trying too hard to continue the vibing shit posts while also making it 100% explicit that "I'm just shit posting guys." I dunno, just slightly more self aware than everyone else who was casually shit posting.
It also felt like an intentional choice? Is that a right read IV? It stood out to me and I'm wondering if you were trying to accomplish something specific with the "guys I'm scum" shit posts or if you just didn't want to let go of the fun
Also I'm not sure I vibe with your jump on Cephrir as I think interpreting "don't post your reads list every page" as "Cephrir must hate mastina's reads" feels like just looking for something to attack
I don't have any real thoughts on anyone else yet. OkaPoka feels the same as last game but I don't think that actually means anything for their slot. I thought the worst's pop in was kind of weird on a gut level? but I assume that's just because duck hasn't read the game yet.
Hercule was also quick to gain townreads early last game
If he rolled scum again he could easily look different to look town
People started cluing in on him as the game went on and discussion about other peoples' alignments started
What I'm trying to say is that reading him off tone on the first few pages is a bad idea, again
noted
In post 327, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:(It helps Hercule's entrance was garbage, but honestly I was just waiting to Mastina to post one of these lists so I can do my standard Mastina play which is just to eliminate players in inverse order of her preference.)
It wins the game more than it loses the game, and that's a fact.
In post 334, OkaPoka wrote:the thing is i can see hercule prewriting his entrance idk if that makes him scum but it makes him a nerd
In post 19, hercule wrote:helloooooooooooooooooooo my friends it feels great to be here. i made a vocaroo reaction to my role pm but implosion said they would prefer for me not to post it so.
i will try to reel in the insufferably lamisty energy i exude but i do just want to express one thought that's fucking funny to me. i kept referring to my team as the 4/4 town gods last game cuz i told them i wanted everyone to embody our full team flipping town and let it seep into everyone's game cuz i was the only one who flipped mafia and i wanted to manifest myself as town. and then IT ACTUALLY HAPPENED lmaooo 4/4 town gods for real. they all got scumflips on d1 so time for us to do the same.
but still fuck ABR
this is the more damning post in my mind. Pre-writing is one thing if you don;t know your alignment, but this post has to have come post alignment knowledge by definition.
In post 334, OkaPoka wrote:the thing is i can see hercule prewriting his entrance idk if that makes him scum but it makes him a nerd
Like to be clear, I could also see him prewriting that opening post, which admittedly would only be a thing that matters if he did not know his alignment at the time.
But the second post is the more damning one, and is in stark contrast to the first post as feeling far more improvisational, despite referencing an event that occurred before the thread opening.
It is guaranteed to have been done and known post alignment knowledge, which makes it alignment indicative, so we can toss aside concerns of NAI/Neutrality in favour of looking at it with a lens.
I wanted to put these together. @Lady can you explain what you think is atrocious about that post? I have more to say but I want to hear you out first.
In post 340, innocentvillager wrote:if hercule pre-wrote the entrance post then why did he post it if he's scum? saying he prewrote implies he genuinely believes that scum!him will not post that. if he's scum, he either had a change of heart and went "ehh, i'll post it anyway bc LOL" or he changed it somehow.
you can't just toss it aside and pretend it doesn't exist because he prewrote it.
If he pre-wrote it prior to knowing his alignment, it wouldn't have any tone leakage. If he is scum and chose to post it anyway, it would be for that reason and as a good entry cover to not get early wagoned.
If he's town, he does it because he wanted to post it.
and as both alignments, if he did work on it, he'd like it to see the light of day
so essentially, the first post, if written prior to seeing alignment, is unusable to read him on because even the logic for "why post it as scum" is easily found and also wifom.
Your post here is effectively contentless, because this is a prima facie concept and should be grasped simply. Why did you miss this, and why did you think it was a good idea to challenge in this way? What were you gaining?
Note that the second post is exempt from this above logic BECAUSE IT IS CONFIRMABLE that by this point he has known his alignment, prewritten or NOT.
I am honestly a bit surprised that my entry post is getting this much attention. It wasn't intended to have any immediate effects, rather to just lay bare my entire scum playstyle for comparison against the entirety of this game. I wouldn't have posted it as scum because it would have forced me to change my playstyle completely in a way that I'm not comfortable doing, or just wifom and hope no one actually analyzed what I said but... that would be a bit dangerous. There is some crossover between my town and scum playstyle where I try to emulate my town playstyle as scum, but I really didn't have to do any of that specifically in the first game considering no one had meta on me. I just tried to play my best scumgame.
In post 353, innocentvillager wrote:the more i read the more im thinking im the idiot here for not grasping what you are saying and that we might be talking past each other on hercule's 1st post
I've read hercule's 2nd post and I don't get the "fucking awful" vibes that you are getting from it. He probably didn't prewrite the 2nd post so that's why it seems improvisational and I think it's fine if it references his voice reaction from 12h ago or whatever?
idk, im pretty mixed on hercule especially now that everyone is shading them but it's not like, unexpected shade to me given his posting style i guess
yeah I wrote the second post right on the spot. idk why I quoted this I feel like I had a reason but I don't really have any thoughts on it now.
In post 361, OkaPoka wrote:well i guess maybe the best way to describe my thoughts on hercule:
his first posts feel a lil performative
that's just my style my man
In post 364, innocentvillager wrote:im starting to think the whole "i wouldn't post this as scum" thing is most likely either a) B.S. he came up with post-PM or b) something hercule actually thought on first-draft, and if he rolled scum he re-evaluated it from a scum perspective and still decided to post it
so I don't think it's that likely scum!him scrapped his whole post anymore
the idea is that with a playstyle that open, eventually town is probably going to ask you for your scum!approach last game anyway and it looks better if you pre-emptively post it yourself
but yeah maybe we can wait for hercule for more color. i enjoyed being the annoying hyperposting kitty for one day but it's time to sleep and lurk out the rest of the game
bruh you know what I should have just said nothing. here I am tryna help y'all read me by giving away my entire scum playbook and u rly think it's possible I completely made it up. anyway yeah it's completely made up, my ACTUAL scum meta is that i always self-vote at the start of d2 as scum. every single time. if i don't self-vote at the start of D2 then i'm town. 100%. but only on mafiascum. that's my mafiascum scum meta.
FTR, my pronoun is qewvueahb e'pjyp ns' ]tl / rup oouph /lm nmblbnbi
I will definitely report anyone who uses the wring pronoun too.
Spoiler: This is absolute BS
In post 15, hercule wrote:well. i am feeling pretty fuckin mad about ABR ruining the game. I put way too much effort in for a goddamn scumflip. Town had the upperhand but mafia battled really fucking hard to get out of the ABR vs. Xtoxm situation and I think came out of it pretty well positioned in the thread. I was about to case the fuck out of mastina and hopefully we could have ended the day on a town elim. It was an uphill battle for us though. I'm happy with how both scum and town played.
that being said. might as well benefit from my previous scumflip by spewing myself town. that was about the hardest i've tried after a scumflip and it's because it was so important for the team mafia dynamics to get a town win. here were my tactics:
1. use unfamiliarity with my meta to do things that are easier for me to fake as scum: ISOs, precrunched analysis, and avoid interacting in realtime in the thread except to make jokes or push back on scumreads on my own slot
2. lean on my precrunched analysis to defend townreads on my partners or scumreads on town. avoid thinking on my feet and evaluating in realtime unless it's obviously necessary
3. avoid bussing except where absolutely possible (never was going to retract tr on cephrir, had to put reasonable doubt on ABR and xtoxm considering how likely it was they were limmed that game)
4. push on reads that conveniently ignore meta about slots and push the perspective that i don't know anyone and don't care about meta
5. use the fact that the game is large as an excuse to not have to form reads. when i'm town, reads simply come naturally to me. as scum, i have to go post by post and make sure that my reads make sense. as town, i simply vibe
and finally, the quintessential block of my entire scumgame
6. reacting strongly to objectively false comments in order to summon genuine emotion
for example, super forgot that I was scum and told me a read on ythan on page 1, so I used that to firmly push back on Ythan for saying I was lying - I wasn't
now, that being said, I am typing this up pre-flip. If you are seeing this, I am probably town. I don't think I would post this if I flip mafia, the WIFOM wouldn't be worth revealing my entire playbook.
also shoutout mastina, you may have thought xtoxm vs. abr was town vs. town but your scumreads on me and Cephrir made you an absolute threat and contributed to my decision to scumcase and push you right before the game was ruined
In post 397, Xtoxm wrote:he also thinks scum herc would know such a play is unlikely to repay him well
can auro expand on this specifically
I don't really follow why that would be the case
hercule could have written a less detailed catalogue and then subscribed to other tendencies of his typical scum playstyle. so if he is scum, he need either present a factually incorrect outline, or holds sufficient belief that he can fool town by taking up a new way of playing as scum, whilst being aware that the amount of wifom involved makes it a comparatively frail gain. he considers both of these scenarios as low probability, with the more likely scenario being that he is speaking without chains, as a result of being town, and that there is no agenda behind what he's done.
actually I think this maybe was the post I was quoting because of how tired I was of hearing whether or not I would make the post I started with as mafia. You know what, let's just say I would. Completely NAI. Then can we move on, there will be plenty of time to tr me later
In post 397, Xtoxm wrote:auro's opinion on hercule talking about his scum playstyle is that it's town indicitive
he says that scum can steal a march on a possible question about it by posting in this way, but that it would be unnecessary to go into such depth
herc believes that he will be able to earn townreads from the way he plays, which, if scum, would require confidence on hercs part that he can both make a substantial change in the way plays scum, and also get townread doing it
he also thinks scum herc would know such a play is unlikely to repay him well
he criticizes llds push on hercs 2nd post, saying repeated attacks have been made but no explanation of why it is scum indicative
why scum, as opposed to exhilarated town? does she expect the hercule is disingenuous in his belief that his team has players that are strong in town roles?
he is confused at the number of people treating mastina in an insulting way, and notes that he has mastina as locktown (????)
feels that agar reacted disproportionately to mastina calling him null, however he's not sure if it's alignment indicitive
at this point he offers a readslist:
town: mastina, hercule, iv, ceph
scum: agar, lld, dgb
his stomach feeling on a50 is scum. i've told him that i veto any d1 a50 vote wishes he has.
I don't like:
The read on herc is super convoluted, it goes back and forth and I don't understand why auro leans town on it. His approach isn't commonly seen, and personally I am unable to ascribe a lean in any direction, I fail to comprehend how anyone can feel so strongly about it.
Scumreading LLD for her aggressive scum read of hercule without considering that an aggressive town read is just as bizarre.
Completely unexplained scum read on me (also I know it's wrong, so there's that).
I like:
Scumreading LLD for her aggressive scum read of hercule is a reasonable position to take in isolation.
Noticing AGar flinching when poked with a null read.
Xtoxm, please ask your other team members for reads while the game is still young and it won't take them an eternity.
I agree that scumreading LLD seems a bit premature given we don't really know the context of what she disliked about my second post. I really want some XTOXM content this game and not Auro content. Xtoxm walk us through your range of emotions and thoughts between the game being ruined to now. That's all I wanna hear
In post 422, Hopkirk wrote:Hectic's thoughts (enjoy them while we’ve got them, i asked Flopz but he just said lol and insulted me a bit when I suggested that he might want to read the game)
- Herc’s ‘4 town gods’ comment felt fake because it wasn’t funny. Herc said it was funny and hectic disagrees.
- liked Dann's RVS analysis as parts felt natural. It didn’t feel forced/he wasn’t rushing to get involved and look town. Hectic disagrees with my dislike because ‘it being off in terms of vibes’ is less important than dann getting good things out of it.
-A50 usually easiest to read when being over the top/having fun- feels town. we talked about this one a bit more and hectic agreed it feels a bit more over the top and forced than normal- but that not having much scumhunting in it probably makes it town indicative
Well it was fucking funny to me. I want to say that maybe I just explained it poorly (I explained it great in the vocaroo) but it could also just be one of those inside joke things. Whatever fuck u
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I have townlean on
Hopkirk
OkaPoka
DrippingGoofBall
i want to townlean mastina but i also want to understand mastina first
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Post #449 (isolation #43) » Sat Jan 30, 2021 7:40 am
Postby hercule »
In post 439, Cephrir wrote:I wonder if the best way to play this game is to throw last game in the trash. Scum will be hyper aware they'll be compared to how they played there. It is a bit useful for getting baselines on people I dont know (e.g. I know I may be predisposed to scumread winter flakes (alt of uncrowned) and should take disliking his posts with a grain of salt) but being visibly different might not actually be a scumtell for that reason.
Dont have anyone I'm especially excited about voting rn so i wont.
yeah maybe but I think scum trying to emulate last game will be forced like... you can't just completely emulate your town game, you have to still make organic reads
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Post #457 (isolation #48) » Sat Jan 30, 2021 8:00 am
Postby hercule »
In post 456, OkaPoka wrote:To me hercule feels over the top. I don't know if its the avatar change or what but im getting a little more flavor leaf from him when koba (rip) told me he was more of a hyper nsg
Also hercule, no worries about koba metaing you last game?
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Post #459 (isolation #49) » Sat Jan 30, 2021 8:02 am
Postby hercule »
In post 458, OkaPoka wrote:The fact that koba could meta you and you said you werent about other people metaing you. Were you just not worried about koba metaing you are what
oh no not really, they always tr me i feel like LOL
In post 448, hercule wrote:I really want some XTOXM content this game and not Auro content. Xtoxm walk us through your range of emotions and thoughts between the game being ruined to now. That's all I wanna hear
>i dont really wanna play v2 maybe i should rep
>nah i should stick it out for my teammates
>eugh the plist tho
>oh town, think its impossible for us to win the event since im pretty sure theres a team that gets 4 town wins if we get 3 wins
>cunts still pushing lies about me from last game
>god this playerlist is fucking garbage
>why do people cry about teammates content being posted in team mafia, you signed up for the wrong fucking game, dipshits
auros game is over and there are
going to be
comically overparaphrased auro posts
lmao i'm kinda drunk and also somehow got tricked into hosting my parents a second night but thank you i like this except whats the issue with the playerlist
why are you calling out these two slots in particular
actually my previous post reminds me that i read this post - pure afk is the only reason i had extreme nulls - my other nulls are players i actually have feelings towards but they aren't developed enough to move out of null
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Post #527 (isolation #53) » Sat Jan 30, 2021 2:54 pm
Postby hercule »
In post 526, Dannflor wrote:Winter Flakes actually had some content (however little) so I just thought it was weird you lumped him in with Titus who had a single V/LA post and then didn't include the worst
mm no idea, i guess just didn't remember reading any winter posts
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Post #528 (isolation #54) » Sat Jan 30, 2021 2:55 pm
Postby hercule »
honestly the thing where petapan told me winter flakes would obvtown as town was true, i just kept saying they weren't doing it last game to avoid outing a read on them
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Post #529 (isolation #55) » Sat Jan 30, 2021 2:56 pm
Postby hercule »
one of the most sus things was def me avoiding the agar wagon (had no idea how to respond to it) and my read on winter flakes which i like voted them and then just completely ignored cuz i didnt know how to make a read on them
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Post #735 (isolation #56) » Sun Jan 31, 2021 5:21 am
Postby hercule »
In post 540, Winter Flakes wrote:hey guys. winter flakes (alt of uncrowned) back at it again after skimming some pages
hercule are you trying to shade me by saying im not obvtowning rn or something? my early game was rigid af last game so I dont get the comparison
as for why im inactive, I've had work the last two days and today I went aquarium to see fishes and frogs and penguins and shit. it was fire.
what are you calling shade? I said last game petapan told me you would obvtown as town so my scum tactic was to just keep saying you weren't doing it instead of actually reading you
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Post #743 (isolation #60) » Sun Jan 31, 2021 5:49 am
Postby hercule »
ok so here's version 1 of my tier list, feels decent for now
Hard Town
mastina
Towny
Hopkirk
DrippingGoofBall
Townlean
OkaPoka
Xtoxm
Have Said Or Done Something Towny
innocentvillager
Agar
Dunnstral
Have Not Said Or Done Something Towny
Jjh
Dannflor
Cephrir
Winter Flakes
Lady Lambdadelta
the worst
Ythan
Titus
Kinda Sus
Almost50
pedit: honestly tho like they just talked about how epic of a scumgame they have and how they're the queen of AtE like what are we even gonna get from voting there, I feel like A50 wagon has better chance to gain traction and LLD is one of those players that if they're scum you have to case the fuck out of them after flipping a partner or two. butttt yolo i'll vote with you because you're my friend