Amnesiac Mafia: The Movie! That's a Wrap!

[GuyInFreezer]

First

VOTE: Klick

Serious vote

[GuyInFreezer]

I have 3 scumreads

[GuyInFreezer]

[Cowboy (played by Firebringer) enters the Saloon]

Cowboy: Alright fellas, it looks like we got a classic case of mass amnesia

Ranchhand (Klick): Classic?

[The ranchhand has clearly never heard of this being a classic]

Cowboy: Partner, in my time ive seen this all over this side of the

Missippi

. Usually caused by someone polluting the water, someone probably making illegal moonshine around these parts.

[He pauses for a brief moment everyone looks around like they don't know what he is talking about]

Cowboy: Well, I reckon I am willing to help yall, but it won't be cheap. I be willing to bet you some treasure you willing to part with to clear this mess up

Bartender(Save The Dragons): We don't need your services here stranger

Bald Man at the Bar (TheStatusquo): Yeah, none of us asked for your opinion.

Waiter (Pink Ball): Did we not ask for his help? [looks confused]

Singer (Frozen Angel): I need help! I can't remember my next set!

Cowboy: Well if you don't want my services, I best be on my way.

[Cowboy prepares to leave the saloon but a few people stop him and try to persuade and promise a good reward]

Cowboy: You all caught me on a good day, I'll help you out then. First things first, I will begin interviewing each and everyone of you. Clearly some of you remember who you are.

Lets start with that old man wearing the black suit.
VOTE: Dunnstral

Why don't we have a chat

-town points for spelling Mississippi wrong

[GuyInFreezer]

I’ve never seen this Titus person before either.

[GuyInFreezer]

I’ll scumread you too just to make you feel comfortable

[GuyInFreezer]

Do I want to townread Titus?
First impression was that she’s looking like too tryhard for only 12 pages. But my gut says townread her anyway

[GuyInFreezer]

I’m also gonna blatantly avoid the whole Dunn vs FB for now because :^)

[GuyInFreezer]

I’m gonna townbin Kuribo this early

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Dragon can be town too

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I’d townread Feysal too but I would feel something die inside me if I townread something for textbook approaching the game so I won’t.

[GuyInFreezer]

LLD did miss that actually but it's an empty quote vote and you are being soft on Titus and letting her get away while FB and I were dueling.

Attempting to make it look like LLD is not reading the game is not a townie response to pressure

and

it's a discredit that no one can veritably prove

. In the text you quoted above LLD has made points about specific interactions to

it is pretty clear she is reading

.

Just curious, are these your thoughts or LLD's?

Having our teammates play the game too is going to get hella confusing. Now I have to read 40+ people? XD

Nah you don’t have to.
If a slot posts two different opinions just vote them and say this buzzword “cognitive dissonance”

[GuyInFreezer]

Oh also I’ll be strictly phone posting for like next 4 days or so.

So pls try not to wallpost too hard y’all

[GuyInFreezer]

Oh yeah Feysal did the whole massclaim thing

Then I guess I’m calling Feysal town for real

[GuyInFreezer]

No. Scum usually doesn't propose a massclaim the way Feysal did.

How do they usually propose it?

They just don't. It grabs too much attention

How does this post and “Feysal is scum” mesh together?

[GuyInFreezer]

UNVOTE:

[GuyInFreezer]

More like unvote following the vote count

[GuyInFreezer]

For some reason this game is hard to get into for me.
Multiple attempts of reading back all went "do I really want to do this rn"
I will attempt again tomorrow.

[GuyInFreezer]

@Pink Ball: Almost feels like Klick is trying to build an empire here

It's too early to tell, Klick is, after all, V/LA. But yes, I felt like I saw too many townreads and not too many scumreads. That's not inherently scummy: I usually do that as town to make scum angry since they don't like when town is being townread for bad reasoning

Scum must really hate me then

[GuyInFreezer]

@GiF could you elaborate on the townread you jad on me as well?

Because you called me town

[GuyInFreezer]

I mean because I’m not feeling scum from you

[GuyInFreezer]

No. Scum usually doesn't propose a massclaim the way Feysal did.

How do they usually propose it?

They just don't. It grabs too much attention

How does this post and “Feysal is scum” mesh together?

Hi GiF. What were your thoughts about FB's response to this question?

Null. So I didn’t prod further

[GuyInFreezer]

Oh also this is prob too early but I’m gonna townread PB

[GuyInFreezer]

This isn’t the first time tbone is running something amnesia and I don’t think it was multiball bck then

[GuyInFreezer]

Our glorious team’s first opinion of this game is

Spoiler: what is it???

Town lean on all newbies

[GuyInFreezer]

They didn’t actually specify who the newbies are.
I’m gonna guess that they mean Black, IceDragon, BlueSnakelet, and Firebringer

[GuyInFreezer]

I just realized that Feysal is not Feirei.
(This is important to me)

[GuyInFreezer]

LAMIST

More like LAMISF (Look At Me I'm So Fluffy)

[GuyInFreezer]

Townread:
Titus, Pink Ball, Kuribo, Firebringer, DragonEater70

To be sorted once I am no longer purely phoneposting:
Dunnstral, Thestatuequo, Frozen Angel, Black

The leftovers:
BlueSnakelet, Save The Dragons, Drixx

Oh I need to actually up the town bar and reread because I thought this person was a different person:
Feysal

Team thinks is town:
DragonEater70, Black,

Firebringer

Team thinks is scum:
Drixx

I skipped a name I know:

[GuyInFreezer]

At least I didn't skip your name

[GuyInFreezer]

You forgot Klick

I thought it was the new fad that’s happening

[GuyInFreezer]

Drixx is there twice.

So are Black and Dragon. That’s because that’s what my team thinks.

[GuyInFreezer]

Did somebody said wagins

VOTE: FA

[GuyInFreezer]

Today is my big moving day so I won’t really be here today

[GuyInFreezer]

I’ll be back later this afternoon and most likely earlier than 11 hours from now but for now dodging prod just to be safe.

[GuyInFreezer]

Posts too long
Reads too stale
Eyes full gloss
Brain too dead
Wagon sucks
Bee Bee El

[GuyInFreezer]

I read last 10 pages or so.
Hostility turns me off more than I already am atm
Thus instead of pretending like I care and trying to force myself to post something commenty I will post what this game really needs.

[GuyInFreezer]

Now bbl fo real

[GuyInFreezer]

I guess when I feel like doing it I’ll start looking at Dragon wagon and see who’s scum jumping on him because I clocked the ISO button to Dragon, read like 4 bottom posts and thought “yeah he still town”

[GuyInFreezer]

Actually no
Im gonna look for those who scumreads DE but not on his wagon

[GuyInFreezer]

This day needs to end.
Not only it would help me to actually catch up, the general vibe I’m feeling is that y’all need to see a flip. I’ll at least look around the Dragon wagin at some point soon (no guarantee on that being today cos today is my birthday) before the day ends.

[GuyInFreezer]

Moving to new house is what happened
I also had no motivation but moving was the biggest lart

[GuyInFreezer]

@GiF, can't any of your teammates chime in for you to give you a tl;dr so you have something to start off?

Also happy birthday!

Rest of them are barely here too lol
Except Adorable but he look lost

[GuyInFreezer]

Schrodinger’s GIFwagon where people are considered to vote GIF and not vote GIF at the same time

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Let’s see how many people get mad when I just quote this

Townread:
Titus, Pink Ball, Kuribo, Firebringer, DragonEater70

To be sorted once I am no longer purely phoneposting:
Dunnstral, Thestatuequo, Frozen Angel, Black

The leftovers:
BlueSnakelet, Save The Dragons, Drixx

Oh I need to actually up the town bar and reread because I thought this person was a different person:
Feysal

Team thinks is town:
DragonEater70, Black,

Firebringer

Team thinks is scum:
Drixx

I skipped a name I know:

[GuyInFreezer]

Because GIF said there be scum in that wagon?

[GuyInFreezer]

Conveniently when I said that I started being wagoned too

[GuyInFreezer]

And no I don’t count 2 votes as wagon

[GuyInFreezer]

Conveniently when I said that I started being wagoned too

This is dissonant. The people voting you are not the people who were on the dragoneater wagon besides maybe titus? I have been the biggest defender against a dragon elim by a country mile.

I didn’t count yours and Kuribo’s. Hence I said two votes don’t count. Although I didn’t know you defended Dragon because as I quoted my old read, I planned to read your posts when I had decent time and not on phone to actually read things over because your posts were kinda long so I kept glossing over

[GuyInFreezer]

@tsq

I guess when I feel like doing it I’ll start looking at Dragon wagon and see who’s scum jumping on him because I clocked the ISO button to Dragon, read like 4 bottom posts and thought “yeah he still town”

[GuyInFreezer]

Like if an obvtown is being the leading wagon (at the time), what first impression do you get when you first see it?

[GuyInFreezer]

I have (correctly) locktown’d someone by page 2 or 3 as town before if that helps

[GuyInFreezer]

I was also never wrong on those kind of reads for my 10 years in this site, at least as far as I remember

[GuyInFreezer]

Anyway rule of thumbs of anything mech is that if you can’t get unanimous agreement just drop it

[GuyInFreezer]

Now that I simply don't believe. You might believe it but I'm pretty sure there's some selective memory going on there.

But more to the point, it doesn't then explain the causal link between "I think this slot is town" to "the people pressuring this slot are scum" in any meaningful way.

?

“I think Dragon is obvtown”
“Obvtown Dragon is being wagoned”
“Because Dragon is obvtown the push on him can’t be pure”
“There must be scum somewhere”

Is this really that difficult to see

[GuyInFreezer]

Anyway as I said investigating comes later

[GuyInFreezer]

That’s where investigating comes in

P-Edit: at tsq

[GuyInFreezer]

Now that I simply don't believe. You might believe it but I'm pretty sure there's some selective memory going on there.

But more to the point, it doesn't then explain the causal link between "I think this slot is town" to "the people pressuring this slot are scum" in any meaningful way.

?

“I think Dragon is obvtown”
“Obvtown Dragon is being wagoned”
“Because Dragon is obvtown the push on him can’t be pure”
“There must be scum somewhere”

Is this really that difficult to see

Go look in my ISO where I quoted DE posts and pointed out why I scumread them. Please tell me why you read them as obvtown in light of that. I'm willing to reconsider if you can explain.

I will let you know once I read it

[GuyInFreezer]

@FA I don’t. I believe I literally voted you just for wagon sake last time

[GuyInFreezer]

VOTE: Firebringer
I really don't enjoy their entrance and I dare say it's possibly scummy.

What questions do you like specifically? And tell me why you liked them.

All three in their first three posts. And because each of them seemed aimed at trying to read a different player.

I just read those posts, and I actually disagree, those questions are soooo meh it kinda feels like scum blending in.

VOTE: Dunn

Guys I re-read FB vs Dunn and honestly I've been scumreading both, but now I want to individually TR each one of them for making a good push on a scummy slot.
I'm honestly confused.

Also on rethinking of the Dunn v FB, I think that Dunn's vote was justified. On the other hand, FB's scumcase is based on something that IS scummy on Dunn's part, but could easily be pushed by scum and therefore doesn't warrant a TR on FB.
Therefore I am no longer TRing FB for pushing Dunn, and am gonna probably vote FB (after I finish the catchup).
For noe though I'll UNVOTE:

@Feysal, I read your case on FB and I agree that their push on Dunn is scummy.
VOTE: Firebringer

This progression is what I found to be really bad.

If this was the string of posts you mentioned, DE did similar thing as town in demon slayer where he went “oh I changed my mind after reread” after his opinion got challenged. So no I don’t see this as a reason to scumread him. I’ve been there before.

[GuyInFreezer]

PB can you link your DE case

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I don't think either of these wagons are good lims today but I don't think I'll be able to get anything else going over the weekend

Who are you thinking?

I don't feel like I have a good grasp on the current gamestate with so many pages to read. I still like Drixx. Maybe some lurky type like GiF or kuribo

You would lim a claimed Mason?

[GuyInFreezer]

Like

What did I just walk into

a horrid fake claim

Kuribo is scum?

The fuck

These posts are a thing and yet Kuribo is a lim option for Black because lurky type?

[GuyInFreezer]

Black is scum in every world. Dragon is 80% scum now that Black TMIed

Is Black is scum TMIing DE doesn’t that make DE town? She was basically calling DE town?

[GuyInFreezer]

What I don’t get is why Kuribo was dubbed simply as “lurky” when Black had reasons to scumread Kuribo besides being “lurky”

[GuyInFreezer]

GiF have you read the game yet

I have read the relevant part

[GuyInFreezer]

Why does it feel like you are shading me on my kuribo opinion when last I checked you have barely read anything?

Never mind the subtle “you didn’t read so your opinion doesn’t matter” and using a buzzword “shading” for shady reason (hah), your Kuribo opinion is hella sketch for stating “lurky” as a reason when you clearly had other reason to do so.

I don’t buy the “I’m trying to hide the associative” bs either.

VOTE: Black

[GuyInFreezer]

I don't think either of these wagons are good lims today but I don't think I'll be able to get anything else going over the weekend

Who are you thinking?

I don't feel like I have a good grasp on the current gamestate with so many pages to read. I still like Drixx. Maybe some lurky type like GiF or kuribo

You would lim a claimed Mason?

No lol. Is that what the kuribo thing was about? I skimmed and I saw him getting mad, and someone called the claim fake?

Yeah maybe I should just read before trying to play

Btw Black def knows what Mason is.

[GuyInFreezer]

You didn’t. But Titus and Dunn assumed so I was correcting them

[GuyInFreezer]

This day needs to end.
Not only it would help me to actually catch up, the general vibe I’m feeling is that y’all need to see a flip. I’ll at least look around the Dragon wagin at some point soon (no guarantee on that being today cos today is my birthday) before the day ends.

GiF have you read the game yet

I have read the relevant part

So this post was just about you catching up on the irrelevant stuff?

It seems like you're just coasting off a bunch of townreads in 825. Since you've read the relevant stuff maybe you have some more defined reads now?

The actual catchup I was gonna do to this afternoon actually. But stuff I just did only required to read the 8 pages or so that happened overnight. And those posts are enough (and relevant) to do what I’m doing rn.

I have more defined read from those 8 pages too of course. I townread Kuribo harder than I ever was, goa a free ircher townread, and I’m voting you right now.

[GuyInFreezer]

Also I’d still like for someone to link me that PB case on DE still

[GuyInFreezer]

Fuck that’s actually super long to read it on my phone

[GuyInFreezer]

Meanwhile I’m gonna add std to my townlist

[GuyInFreezer]

So far the people I’m not townreading atm and/or needs to be sorted are

{Dunn, TSQ, FA, Black, Drixx, Feysal, Klick}

Assuming 3 scum

Hey that’s not actually that bad
I thought I would be much behind

[GuyInFreezer]

Yeah all my townreads are obvious enough that I shouldn’t have to explain it too I think

Maybe I’ll reread Titus though cos that was early af vibe read

Either way this cuts a lot from requiring reading so hey

[GuyInFreezer]

So far the people I’m not townreading atm and/or needs to be sorted are

{Dunn, TSQ, FA, Black, Drixx, Feysal, Klick}

Assuming 3 scum

Hey that’s not actually that bad
I thought I would be much behind

Could you split them into “not townreading” and “needs to be sorted”?

I could but you’d be disappointee

[GuyInFreezer]

So Feysal town etc

[GuyInFreezer]

I specifically went through VCA and thought 'if anyone was bussing DragonEater who would it be' and thought you could make decent sense
I feel like you/Dragon is entirely viable

I haven't really looked much at the you/Titus interactions admittedly and I'll do that when I'm more around

Imagine doing VCA with no flip

[GuyInFreezer]

Also I think I’m starting to lean on Drixx being town.
I can’t explain why to be honest. My teammate is doing the same as well.

[GuyInFreezer]

So far the people I’m not townreading atm and/or needs to be sorted are

{Dunn, TSQ, FA, Black, Drixx, Feysal, Klick}

Assuming 3 scum

Hey that’s not actually that bad
I thought I would be much behind

Subtract Feysal and Drixx

I get Dunn TSQ FA Black Klick

Out of those 5 TSQ is the greenest
This is actually becoming spicy PoE list ngl

[GuyInFreezer]

Going back to early interaction between Titus and Black, the one when I felt Titus was trying too hard too early

If Titus was scum coaching her scumbuddy she prob would’ve done that in their scum PT while making things look resolved in main game thread right

[GuyInFreezer]

I need to confirm this later but what I felt (let’s call this hypothesis) from Black yesterday is that she felt confident on townreads but hedges a lot on scumreads. Idk which way Black’s playstyle swings but I think that’s normally a scum trait? I’ll investigate when I get off work.

[GuyInFreezer]

I specifically went through VCA and thought 'if anyone was bussing DragonEater who would it be' and thought you could make decent sense
I feel like you/Dragon is entirely viable

I haven't really looked much at the you/Titus interactions admittedly and I'll do that when I'm more around

Imagine doing VCA with no flip

Do you want to explain why this is bad or do you want to throw shade for no particular reason?

It’s bad because it’s basically doing looking for associatives with no flip. Your whole analysis is based on the assumption instead of fact.

[GuyInFreezer]

I specifically went through VCA and thought 'if anyone was bussing DragonEater who would it be' and thought you could make decent sense
I feel like you/Dragon is entirely viable

I haven't really looked much at the you/Titus interactions admittedly and I'll do that when I'm more around

Imagine doing VCA with no flip

Do you want to explain why this is bad or do you want to throw shade for no particular reason?

It’s bad because it’s basically doing looking for associatives with no flip. Your whole analysis is based on the assumption instead of fact.

I openly admitted I was looking for associatives without a flip and then re-clarified that when asked about it already.

What forms of analysis can you do on Day 1 that are based on fact and not assumption?

If DragonEater is town it becomes useless to look for partners of DragonEater, but I don't think DragonEater is town

Individual analysis?

Although I mainly posted that to see if you could spot my hypocrisy

[GuyInFreezer]

Vote Count

DragonEater70 - 5

(Frozen Angel, Drixx, Feysal, Klick, Dunnstral)

Black - 4

(Pink Ball, GuyInFreezer, Firebringer, Titus)

Klick - 2

(Kuribo, Thestatusquo)

Drixx - 2

(Black, Save The Dragons)

Frozen Angel - 1

(DragonEater70)

Not Voting - 1

(Ircher)

With 15 Alive, It Takes 8 to Eliminate

Activity Check:

All good!

Deadline: (expired on 2023-04-25 23:00:00)

This is the latest VC
Nobody voted after this so

[GuyInFreezer]

GiF why am I in your poe list? Give me a short explanation.

I think I have better chance at reading you correctly at later game days than D1

[GuyInFreezer]

What the fuck
If you had a day vig you should’ve shoot

me

instead

[GuyInFreezer]

Unfortunately in the game of mafia good behavior only gets you a longer sentence.

Then why do i live so long in mafia games

In Korea we have this saying “Give one more rice cake to the hated”

[GuyInFreezer]

Black I know you're busy but can you case drixx for me even one or two sentences would be fine. You can add it to the bottom of your todo list if you like I'm in no hurry

If the dayvig is real and Drixx flips before this happens it would be amazing to see casing a flipped slot

[GuyInFreezer]

But you weren’t looking for my reaction????

[GuyInFreezer]

I guess?
The only one who didn't react good was GIF cause i think he should know better

I mean I knew it was false
But I want to believe they’re real every time someone does this

[GuyInFreezer]

Because I counterclaim dayvig

Shoot: Firebringer

[GuyInFreezer]

am i the only one shocked fake day vig reacts is still a thing. i feel its an overplayed mafia staple that we should have moved past by now

Better than fake cop guilty

[GuyInFreezer]

That’s E-2

[GuyInFreezer]

Pagetop

[GuyInFreezer]

keeping track of vote counts is scummy
both GIF and Shea get + 2 scum points

Their total right now is:

GIF: 9999999999 Scum Points [Status: Very Townie]
Shea: 420 Scum Points [Status: Jury Still Out. Needs to Scumread me more]

You forgot to count my scummy af pagetop

[GuyInFreezer]

If this wasn’t a team mafia I would’ve put DE at E-1 while simultaneously claiming that that slot is flipping town

[GuyInFreezer]

This is flipping tooooooown

[GuyInFreezer]

The game I'm in tends to be never easy.

[GuyInFreezer]

looking over player lists it seems like most teams besides mine put their best player in the large theme.

we put our worst instead.

We, too, have put our worst.

[GuyInFreezer]

if DE flips scum it would be absolutely hilarious, considering I said this

I was also never wrong on those kind of reads for my 10 years in this site, at least as far as I remember

[GuyInFreezer]

You have until mod locks the thread to post those, Ircher.
I believe in you!

[GuyInFreezer]

ircher are you going to like...not say anything about your mason partners claim or anything at all?

idk man dude's at page 7 lmao

[GuyInFreezer]

With that said, I may or may not be bus driver.

[GuyInFreezer]

I'm hardclaiming ELo Innocent Child

[GuyInFreezer]

Kuribo was town even without the mason shenanigans from yesterday so

[GuyInFreezer]

btw I knew Kuribo was lying about being mason because

Amnesiac Roles are not tied to a specific alignment.

I didn't care because I respect town gambit of any kind.

[GuyInFreezer]

Everyone Alisae has an important announcement. I will make it big because alisae thinks u will ignore e .

Drixx is town
Stop bullying him.

Yeah stop bulli Drixx dude's just a sassy cab driver in this amnesiac theatre

[GuyInFreezer]

Hold up. Lovers don't normally have a neighborhood.

Lovers can have a number of unannounced additions to the above definition, such as the ability to talk to each other or confirmation of each others' alignment.

[GuyInFreezer]

btw by massclaim we mean D1's role right

[GuyInFreezer]

Unlikely to happen != Impossible to happen
Murphy's Law dictates that anything that can go wrong will go wrong

[GuyInFreezer]

Lovers also make sense for this setup because town can be cleared simply by having their roles provable, neighbor is a very strong role and making them lovers is how they nerfed it.

[GuyInFreezer]

Since when commuter is a neg utility

It’s op

[GuyInFreezer]

Since when commuter is a neg utility

It’s op

Targets scum with loyal ability

Scum lies: Commuter.

That’s like saying 1 shot bulletproof is neg utility because town vigs can’t kill then

[GuyInFreezer]

Best thing to fakeclaim as a commuter is macho traffic analyst

[GuyInFreezer]

Also commuter wifom can be done by town too.
Last game I fakeclaimed commuter as town doctor for very fun reason

[GuyInFreezer]

Anyway I’m p sure any sensible person has found out already so I’m gonna claim.

Yes I can confirm Drixx had a commuter role PM. He recognized the flavor as well so at least he’s not lying about having a commuter role PM.

Yes that means I have that role PM today. Idk why it made sense for Drixx to just go “ooh someone already confirmed my role!!!” this early but hey

[GuyInFreezer]

And I

am

commuting tonight and no one can stop me (literally)

[GuyInFreezer]

If more than one person targets me and fails yes
If only one person targets me and fails there is also a chance that the person got roleblocked

[GuyInFreezer]

I'm still not sure why GiF chose to claim this and not his D1 role

No one told me to claim my D1 role yet

[GuyInFreezer]

I was just vanilla D1

[GuyInFreezer]

There's something we're missing here. I am becoming leery of the mass claiming the more we get into it.

If the roles claimed are correct there could be as many as 6 conf. town right now just on being able to be confirmed to have taken an action with a role. This simply can't be the setup. Scum has to have some way to fuck with this.

As far as I’m aware from all the claimed role lovers are the only hardconfirmable ones

Scum prob has something like roleblocker to mess with things

[GuyInFreezer]

Like if scum can’t claim the amnesiac roles they can’t be all goons

[GuyInFreezer]

There's something we're missing here. I am becoming leery of the mass claiming the more we get into it.

If the roles claimed are correct there could be as many as 6 conf. town right now just on being able to be confirmed to have taken an action with a role. This simply can't be the setup. Scum has to have some way to fuck with this.

As far as I’m aware from all the claimed role lovers are the only hardconfirmable ones

Scum prob has something like roleblocker to mess with things

Klick claimed a confirmable role. Black also claimed that whomever has her role can confirm she is town. Firebringers role should also be confirmable.

Black claimed vanilla

[GuyInFreezer]

I was also a Vanilla Background Character yesterday

[GuyInFreezer]

It's either one powerful scumteam with like 4 roleblockers, or it's multiball and the chance of town getting conftowned is not that high

Or scum has a

redirector

[GuyInFreezer]

btw once massclaim started happening we should actually go thru with it.
Half-assed massclaim is worse and more dangerous than full massclaim

[GuyInFreezer]

D1 role?

[GuyInFreezer]

What I meant my hardconfirmable = able to be confirmed free of intervention (FB’s role can be roleblocked)

Also I spent bulk of my today not playing mafia and doing this instead

[GuyInFreezer]

-FA
-Dunn

That leaves two and I don’t think this game only has two
So I prob should revisit old townreads

[GuyInFreezer]

I feel like if Klick was town he would’ve been more receptive to Kuribo/ircher being town much earlier

[GuyInFreezer]

I think if I vote rn it’s either E-1 or lolhammer
And I don’t want day to end until everyone claimed their D1 roles

[GuyInFreezer]

Dunn you posted all that about how I wasn’t reading your post about Firebringer and yet you forgot Firebringer’s D1 claim?

(He claimed corrupt judge)

[GuyInFreezer]

STD by chance you didn’t target PB right

[GuyInFreezer]

I only wanted Drixx to know my role until he all went “THIS DUDE CRUMBED MY FLAVOR NAME BRO IM CONFIRMED COMMUTER D1”

[GuyInFreezer]

Yeah but Drixx outed me is what matters the most

[GuyInFreezer]

Also I’m not mafia but I kinda guessed that role was a transferring role

[GuyInFreezer]

Give 3 options, none of which include kuribo, ircher or GiF.

Huh? I'm not telling anyone who I'm targeting. And I'm not letting anyone decide for me either

And if the jailkeeper dies and hits your target? I am wanting a pool so the jailkeeper doesn't fuck up.

If I understood the role correctly target being roleblocked shouldn’t matter

[GuyInFreezer]

I still want to hear from STD whether he jailkept PB or not N1 just to make sure before proceeding

[GuyInFreezer]

Oh missed that

[GuyInFreezer]

I believe I only ignored that one question and the follow up for that one question.

And no I’m not answering that. Before all these conftown thing I had a purpose to not answer it because you seemed like a type to try to talk it out to defuse scumread on you so I wanted to deny that and see how you’d change your play around it, and it was a loaded and condescending question. If you asked me that kind of question as town I’m actually kinda mad at that question.

[GuyInFreezer]

It tells target what actions visited them

[GuyInFreezer]

I feel like if Klick was town he would’ve been more receptive to Kuribo/ircher being town much earlier

I don't really understand why that's an opinion you have

i feel like if klick was town he wouldn't be scrambling for scumreads

this is a fun game

I think I've scrambled for scumreads in almost every single town game I have played in the last few years
It is a natural consequence of forming my reads largely by finding people I think are town and PoEing the rest

I find town much much more effectively than I find scum.

Well there you go

[GuyInFreezer]

GIF why do you scum read me?

?

[GuyInFreezer]

I have hard time believing that people would have hard time believing (hah) Kuribo/ircher being town almost immediately unless people have thing against lying as town

[GuyInFreezer]

I have hard time believing that people would have hard time believing (hah) Kuribo/ircher being town almost immediately unless people have thing against lying as town

See: my vague memory of kuribo having done similar before
My admittedly old and outdated memory of kuribo as a player made me feel like it was entirely plausible as a play from kuribo!scum

I also have precedent for not immediately assuming what seems obvious, as you should be aware

Did your teammate not make any comments about Kuribo/ircher

[GuyInFreezer]

I too need to reread Titus because ngl half of my thing was “if Black is scum Titus isn’t scum with her”

[GuyInFreezer]

Occam’s razor etc

[GuyInFreezer]

Oh and there's also the chance that Black and PB are scum together. Assuming they are scum and they can get town roped today and get a kill through tonight, then Black can claim to have passed it along to someone who claims something else already and that gets a "mislim" tomorrow as well, and then another night kill ... I believe that would be LYLO, assuming 4 scum.

I'm pretty busy at work today ... would appreciate responses.

For what it's worth ... what Black and PB just did is the kind of play that appeals to me as scum. Make the town think I'm conftown (or very nearly so) and run the table.

Occam’s razor etc

[GuyInFreezer]

Oh and there's also the chance that Black and PB are scum together. Assuming they are scum and they can get town roped today and get a kill through tonight, then Black can claim to have passed it along to someone who claims something else already and that gets a "mislim" tomorrow as well, and then another night kill ... I believe that would be LYLO, assuming 4 scum.

I'm pretty busy at work today ... would appreciate responses.

For what it's worth ... what Black and PB just did is the kind of play that appeals to me as scum. Make the town think I'm conftown (or very nearly so) and run the table.

Occam’s razor etc

Did you really just try to say "Occam's Razor" in response to me pointing out that it could be a (very good, if so) scum gambit? If we consider them conftown and then do what people naturally do and follow their lead, they literally get a free pass to LYLO from this claim.

Yes I said occam’s razor
Is it possible that it’s a scum gambit? Yes.
Is it likely that it’s a scum gambit? Hell no

[GuyInFreezer]

idk what you’re talking about assuming alignment before application.

They’re either telling the truth or not telling the truth.

If they are not telling the truth, then they are either faking the existence of the role or they’re buddies with the real role that they are pretending that it worked.

Faking the existence of the role is very unlikely when they both know that they can’t blame things on rng forever. Visionary is there to fuck with that too and Jingle would’ve caught onto that before scum PB-Black pulls stuff like this.

Given that they both showed lack of coordination on that crumb thingy earlier, both pretending that the role is working as scum is also unlikely. Plus Black asked Titus on same thing before asking PB about the same thing.

So both possible reasons for them lying is unlikely. Then what is likely? Them telling the truth.

[GuyInFreezer]

And I’m saying this after having scumread Black until that happened.

[GuyInFreezer]

Chance of 1 scum 1 town means something like 1/15 chance because it means the role happened to rand onto right person at the right time (or wrong person at the wrong time?)

[GuyInFreezer]

Chance of 1 scum 1 town means something like 1/15 chance because it means the role happened to rand onto right person at the right time (or wrong person at the wrong time?)

Wouldn't the possibility of PB being a wolf that isn't able to use the ability change this?

Like say PB is wolf and I'm town. PB got the Caterer role but couldn't actually target someone. So he waited until I claimed to have the role to say he targeted me

Why would scum-PB conftown someone who’s in the PoE list/scum list by half of the playerlist?

[GuyInFreezer]

Dear folks who thinks mech things are boring

Better now than near ELo amirite

[GuyInFreezer]

I think all those moving finally caught up to me.
I have a fever. I’ll talk to y’all tomorrow.

[GuyInFreezer]

I skimmed the thing about FB shananigans.

I think objectively speaking, FB as scum would be cheeky enough to lolclaim a strong role and then proceed to not actually use it.
With that said, I don't think scum here still.

[GuyInFreezer]

I don't think he's scum here still.

[GuyInFreezer]

FA seems like the type who hunts off of whoever is not townreading her. Kinda hard type for me to read. The only reason I have her as +town is because she was one of the more aggressive push towards DE, whenever she was here.

[GuyInFreezer]

I skimmed the thing about FB shananigans.

I think objectively speaking, FB as scum would be cheeky enough to lolclaim a strong role and then proceed to not actually use it.
With that said, I don't think scum here still.

Would town you really be townreading me for this.
Didn't i just fool u as scum.

HMHMMMHMM

That was me saying that I townread you excluding what happened there.

[GuyInFreezer]

Not that I ever learn in mafia games anyway

[GuyInFreezer]

If anything using last game would be a convenient excuse as scum to not have a read on you so

[GuyInFreezer]

Also ngl I’m getting lazy because amount of confirmable roles claimed. We’ll have a guaranteed scumpool tomorrow too

[GuyInFreezer]

Actually not really guaranteed huh
But either way confirmable roles
It’s not like mafia would have all member be able to emulate the amnesiac role

…right?

[GuyInFreezer]

But I don't really have a problem with assuming FA!scum would park her vote on him

okay but i don't think FA was parking? She was pushing him constantly and asking everyone how they couldn't see it scummy. It wasn't just "this is scum" puts vote and leaves. It was like each time she came in she was like "how can you all not see how scummy Dragoneater was"

I did say something about looking for things off DE wagon last dayphase

And then I got

lazy

distracted

[GuyInFreezer]

Ok yeah off wagon looks very clean

[GuyInFreezer]

VOTE: Titus

[GuyInFreezer]

I thought the most viable scum off wagon were TSQ and, like, you

In contrast

Vote Count

DragonEater70 - 8 (Frozen Angel, Drixx, Feysal, Klick, Dunnstral, Firebringer, Pink Ball, Titus)

So let's say there are like 3-4 scum on this wagon

Feysal's town
I know I'm town but consider me if you want

What are scum doing?

I think FA and Titus (and arguably even Drixx) are the most natural places to look for scum on this wagon, if you feel like the buildup of votes itself had more of a town push to it then they're the ones least associated with the actual buildup of votes
Whereas optically I'd say Feysal/Klick/Dunn/Firebringer/Pink Ball were all votes that came at a time when the DragonEater wagon was becoming a *wagon*

You’re putting Pink Ball in the group of “wagon hopper?”

The one that you sheeped that long case of?

[GuyInFreezer]

I don't think PB is a 'wagon hopper' and I'm not sure how I implied that

You included PB in the list of “voted when wagon is forming.”

[GuyInFreezer]

I had a scary thought about tsq-Drixx-dayvig-scum-theatre that lasted for about 0.25 second.
I need comfort.

[GuyInFreezer]

Also I keep going back to this post

So I totally misunderstood you.

UNVOTE: GuyInFreezer

Will think on this more later. Firebringer's role already went off and can't be retroactively roleblocked but I guess the two players they have targeted can be. And there is no way for those two players to know who each other are without claiming. (And no guarantee that those players are even town)

I kinda wonder if my “you misunderstood my one post” and “hi I played house flipper” was enough for him to unvote me there.

[GuyInFreezer]

If Titus was a VCA player why would she hammer her townread with more than a day left in the deadline at the time

[GuyInFreezer]

That would mess with VCA

[GuyInFreezer]

Firebringer scum reading me when I scum read me is cute but I kinda think its what town him would do.

The real question is is he self aware enough to know that and duplicate it.

Probably, I guess.

This wagon talk is exactly why I'm extremely dubious of VCA as a general rule. Klick's analysis is predicated on him being town which I think is a pretty dubious assumption.

I dislike VCA in general just because 1- I've watched Titus' VCA "catch" me as scum at least once when I was town, ane 2- when I've been scum I've actively manipulated vote counts anyway

Unfortunately there aren’t 15 Kuribos in the game. Although ngl that would be something to watch. Kuribo now, Kuribo 1 year ago, and all the up to Kuribo 14 years ago.

[GuyInFreezer]

Like why would the scum team want to be "off" the dragoneater wagon? There's been roughly zero game pressure today based around the people who voted dragoneater and where they voted him. This is entirely predictable, this happens all the time. The idea that people get scum points for being on a town wagon d1 especially one which is backed by huge thread momentum is a practically a myth.

Why would the scum want to be "on" the dragoneater wagon? The dragoneater wagon always felt inevitable to me regardless of what I said about it, no one was listening to me about it the whole day (I have to say except kuribo or he'll mald) Scum don't need to drive wagons like that. They're gunna happen regardless so there's not a particular incentive to be on it.

So like my answer is that its essentially random and based on individualized playstyle. I assume you're a player who frequently does VCA which is why you're doing it here so I don't think its like scummy or something that you are doing it but I just don't buy any of what is being sold here. The set of asssumptions that people make to try to understand scum behavior towards wagons is often nonsensical.

Sorry Titus, although I am pretty sure she and I have had this exact same conversation before.

How about the part where VCA players doing things that would mess with the VCA

[GuyInFreezer]

The ones that rolled scum of course

[GuyInFreezer]

Well VCA assumes that each votes are with specific purpose, right? Why would someone who plays around with VCA forfeit a valueable piece of information by hammering a townread? It’s not like we were being pushed to hammer. We had like day and a half left when Titus hammered.

[GuyInFreezer]

Black - Dead
Drixx
Dunnstral
Firebringer
Frozen Angel
GuyInFreezer - Black Clear - Hypo
Ircher - Linked
Klick - Dead
Kuribo - Linked
Pink Ball - Linked
Save The Dragons
Thestatusquo - Hypothetical [not revealing X]
Titus - Linked

This leaves Drixx, Dunn, Fire, FA, StD

Versus Kuribo Ircher Titus Shea, GiF

With Lovers and Caterer in play.

If I understood this correctly you forgot I'm commuting.

[GuyInFreezer]

Then I did not understand that correctly.

[GuyInFreezer]

Scum 100% has their own PR
Heck even a scum visitor can mess town up in this setup.

[GuyInFreezer]

Also please don't use Demon Slayer as an example to dissuade mech.
That setup was at waaaaaaaaaay at the end of the spectrum.
We're not playing in a setup where we have 2 poisoners, 2 redirectors, a bus driver, and some sort of deathproof scum that can kill every town members.

[GuyInFreezer]

Hey I stopped a nightkill, which was far better night actions than what most of the town did.

[GuyInFreezer]

Dunn how’s your read looking rn

[GuyInFreezer]

@GiF I've read the back and forth between Klick and Titus. I want to know exactly what Titus means when she says my posting is hollow. I don't think I agree but Klick doesn't seem to disagree and is instead saying town can make hollow posts.

Yeah I meant your reads in general lol

I’m not sure about hollow but I do think your posts are kinda monotonous in vibe in general
That’s why I said way back in D1 that I’m gonna ignore you vs FB because generally monotonous expressing emotion will kinda look awkward and that’s what it looked like it sparked the whole you vs FB.

[GuyInFreezer]

That’s also why I have hard time reading you too lol

[GuyInFreezer]

@GiF I've read the back and forth between Klick and Titus. I want to know exactly what Titus means when she says my posting is hollow. I don't think I agree but Klick doesn't seem to disagree and is instead saying town can make hollow posts.

Yeah I meant your reads in general lol

I’m not sure about hollow but I do think your posts are kinda monotonous in vibe in general
That’s why I said way back in D1 that I’m gonna ignore you vs FB because generally monotonous expressing emotion will kinda look awkward and that’s what it looked like it sparked the whole you vs FB.

I thought FA had good responses on page 169. I like Pink Ball's energy to put forth a plan in 4206. I noticed you voted Titus but I'm not sure how you reevaluated to that. I did see 3269. I think TSQ looks townier over the last few pages. I didn't actually like Firebringer's responses as I feel they chose to focus on something that was not the main issue and ignored a few posts they would have gotten notifications for.

I stared at the DE wagon real hard that day and that was a hunch I got.

[GuyInFreezer]

Fury is a drug

[GuyInFreezer]

Why is jail keeping Kuribo a weird option?

[GuyInFreezer]

Please let Drixx answer this one

[GuyInFreezer]

I’m p sure the setup is designed in such a way that all scum roles are dangerous to claim, given that they get fakeclaim every day

[GuyInFreezer]

I thought the way you immediately theorized that black must have targeted fb when I do not think thats even remotely the most likely outcome is self-serving and opportunistic. That is narrative you have to have if you're scum and it felt like you didn't even feel interested in considering other possibilities.

Know what's really telling there?

Klick went straight to "she must have targeted firebringer" instead of suggesting Black's other scumread, GiF.

I really hope Black didn’t target me, especially when I claimed commuter and said I will commute.

[GuyInFreezer]

I really hope Black didn’t target me, especially when I claimed commuter and said I will commute.

ur def not a commuter.
stop memeing

I may or may not be a commuter today.
In fact, I could possibly be a doctor.

[GuyInFreezer]

Even if Black forgot about me being a commuter her teammate wouldn’t. I also think my commuter claim is kinda too important to forget when making a decision about who to give role to.

[GuyInFreezer]

We kinda also limmed the jailkeeper so that’s one less interference. I think role magically randomly on FB is kinda too coincidental so I think it’s safe to assume FB is town and got the role?

[GuyInFreezer]

Magically randing*

[GuyInFreezer]

What’s the difference between “is anyone townreading gif” and “why is gif town”

[GuyInFreezer]

What’s your read on me

[GuyInFreezer]

I commuted so hard I commuted my commuter out of y’all’s head

[GuyInFreezer]

Anyway I’m p sure any sensible person has found out already so I’m gonna claim.

Yes I can confirm Drixx had a commuter role PM. He recognized the flavor as well so at least he’s not lying about having a commuter role PM.

Yes that means I have that role PM today. Idk why it made sense for Drixx to just go “ooh someone already confirmed my role!!!” this early but hey

And I

am

commuting tonight and no one can stop me (literally)

Bruuuuuh

[GuyInFreezer]

I’m a professional commuter.
I can commute my entire existence from this game easily.

[GuyInFreezer]

By the way
I may or may not be a motivator