TM 2023 | Masterchef MafiaScum (Game over)

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VOTE: Norwe

Hey, is bringing equipment from home even allowed? Production, sequester his knife!

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Scanning for alignments...no AI content detected.

VOTE: Furtiveglance
Is this alignment indicative enough for you.

VOTE: Furtiveglance
Is this alignment indicative enough for you.

Better yeah

Dunno, let's feebly fling some spaghetti at the wall, maybe that'll help.
What about these posts? The did come in very quick succession which is a bit odd given the rhytm of the game

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Lol, I got sniped while posting

that

, kind of funny

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I'm bringing attention to basically the only think there is in the game. Seems a bit coordinated

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But given that you did in fact respond to Aristeia pretty quickly also, it's probably nothing

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When did you talk about the mech related stuff of this setup with your team btw? Approximately?

Ok.

VOTE: Dessew

Can’t be nk’d if your dead

So i was wondering if your first post about "NK's" was an attempt at dumbtelling not fully understanding that the setup doesn't technically have a nightkill despite usually being pretty savvy about game mechanics. But yeah i eventually realized the definitions here are too vague to mean much of anything so meh. It's not that important.
Anyway Alisae said they don't have any reads for me because nobody in my game wants to play. RIP.

Eh, seems like an useless question anyway. I don't see anyone deliberately playing dumb and then falling into that trap

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You're the first slot to actually be having a brain and making some coherent thoughts.
Ez townread. GG

Your pockets are pretty warm btw

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That's E-1 btw

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yes I would probably make some kind of comment about how I think your pfp is very cute and I liked your neck tie

That's the only thing Ari said about Norwe and it's not really a tr, so I'm also a bit confused.

- Biancospine pointing out that votes seem co-ordinated in page 28 is odd because it makes the assumption that scum would co-ordinate their votes… in RVS.

no, it makes the assumption that scum are likelier to coordinate general RVS interactions since they have a PT and as such it's more probable they happen to synchronize activity

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What, scumpartners interacting among themselves early in RVS? Sure, Alisae and Andante did a bit of that in 1070, thou the game was significantly faster at the start. I've never seen this exact scenario, involving an RVS vote like this, happen in a game I've played, but the details of the interaction aren't really relevant

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yes, I'm here now. who's scum? is it VOTE: norwee?

No, are you reading?

found the scumteam, pack it up

This take feels fake as fuck.

Based on what? Them not agreeing with you means partners?

give me 1 reason why I should take this post seriously

I don't like how furtive is pushing McMenno. That was very obviously not a serious take, why did you get so pinged on it

VOTE: furtive

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Oh wow, you're right. lmao.
VOTE: Norwe

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@Bianco
They’ve not said it was a joke so why would i believe it was?
And it’s hilarious how you seem to claim that it’s scum indicative for me to react negatively to shading. As if that’s not something i take up to 11 in literally every single one of my towngames in history.

Here's a hot take, if someone claims they've solved the game by page 5 with a one-liner, no reasonable person would believe it's serious unless there were some explicit indications of it or if they were on eggshells

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I'm a bit behind with my reading, but kuribo knows for a fact that Aureal is mafia.

You're voting McMenno thou

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like i'm not sure where you get the confidence for your stances are you taking this game seriously or do you just not give a shit?

Because I think you're an incredibly scummy slot, and I think Furtive is an incredibly scummy slot, and nobody else in this game is as scummy as the two of you. My goal is to kill scum. Not kill someone who

could

be scum.

I find Korina's whole thought process here very unnatural because it feels like they're playing from a place of "dessew wagon scummy" when like we don't know what Dessew alignment is?

It's also because of this post which clearly demonstrates that you don't think you can have an opinion on the quality of a wagon without knowing the alignment of the person being wagoned.

Why is Furtive an incredibly scummy slot again?

Furtive isn't doing anything I'd expect from him as town, especially since I have played with him before, plus teammates agreeing Furtive isn't playing to town meta. Outside of "Furtive's not playing how I expect", Furtive's vote on Dessew is weird for me, even if the unvote happened shortly afterwards because once again - anyone would have to be aware there's a wagon going around somewhere at that point. Nor is he really giving any reasoning for reads. He's just kinda saying reads and citing teammates reads and nothing else. I'm ignoring all the shitposts as well, because I think they're NAI, but the actual content posts leave a lot to be desired, and they're not really

providing

anything for the game.

So, @korina, is your case on furtive literally just meta and wagonomics? The argument here kind of just boils down to "town!furtive would be more aware than this about the state of wagons". To be fair the only time I've personally seen it happen was in GIM and Radical Rat was scum, but I'm very unconvinced that it is in fact scum AI in general

like have you never seen a micro get to e-1 with 4 town votes ?

I've seen it happen, but I don't think it's something that happens frequently enough to be the basis of an argument in RVS/early game. At that point, you are arguing for a statistical wonder because the votes for something like that are more or less random in my eyes.

The obvious question here is have you seen a non-all-town flashwagon get to E-1 in 2 pages happen more often? 'Cause otherwise one could similarly argue

that

should also not be the basis of an early argument since I think that is also pretty infrequent

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VOTE: Aureal

Gee, just state E-2. Let's avoid the same sort of thing happening again

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VOTE: Aureal

Gee, just state E-2. Let's avoid the same sort of thing happening again

What's wrong with E-2?

A wagon is for pressure right?

Nothing but maybe say it's E-2 lol. We already had someone got to E-1 on accident

the audacity of replacing out of the smallest game only to then try to replace into the event again

not to mention that is shady as hell

VOTE: Doctor Drew

Sorry what?

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/In to replace

Ah.

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I'm fine with eliminating Menno, furtive or Aureal at this point. My townreads are the same.

I've recently had a game where Drew replced in, he's a chill, active player. Let's see what he does.

By "at this point" do you literally mean you would want any of those people hammered right now, halfway though the deadline? You also seem to be mostly focusing low activity slots, and I hardly see anyone ever thinking that's a good idea for day one if they can help it.

That's a good point, noone should be fine flipping noone at this point.
VOTE: Dessew, E-3

Drew do you have a reads list or thoughts or sumthing?

Starting to form a bit, hoping for a bit more activity.

Dessew's post basically welcoming me was weird and felt unnecessary, pinged me a bit scummy. Ironically Furt thinks they are scum though, and Furt seems more engaged here then I have really seen him, and he has always been town with me, so that pings me as well.

McMenno is probably town, despite the aggression(or even because of it) towards my slot.

Will need to skim through the thread to tighten reads on the rest though.

Oh, but Aureal is totally scum for real.

That's right, slapped my best chef hat on and am ready to crack open some skulls like they are cage free eggs.

And, just in time for an Aureal wagon? This must be my birthday!

@Drew, @Aureal, do you two want a room or something? Is this push actually for game-related reason or is a continuation of the wiki incident? I'm not very good at sarcasm but I suspect the latter

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i really have no desire to talk to you

i hate you as a person

Yesh, I don't believe this is ever tilted scum. I don't see scum getting angry when pushed, regardless of the reasons, at most frustrated.

If Ari is scum this is deliberate AtE

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I am having a brain fart, I can't remember the wiki incident lol.

Designer

Pushing you was a joke, but felt apropos to join your wagon Aureal when I joined in while I got used to the surroundings.

I will say, not seeing much scummy from you, and at the risk of getting the wrath of Bianco for putting someone at E-2.

VOTE: Dessew

That's a serious misrepresentation, I've never said I have a problem with E-2 per se. I just wish people would declare it, which you've done here so you're not getting my wrath for the vote.

perhaps i simply have higher standards for what constitutes a fleshed out read than you.

is this the part where you puff up your chest and try to intimidate me

also its a cute trick how you moved from "trying to do nothing" to not having fleshed out reads. juvenile really

also you joined the game. voted aureal as a "joke" then moved to dessew after you got no traction.

your reads so far are kind of a joke and i assumed you said them in jest.

Didn't think it would be that easy to tilt scum, but here we are.

VOTE: Aristeia

359 is the more interesting thing in that wall. Ari has a point that moved the goalpost some.

This whole thing escalated real quick, almost too quick to possibly just come from this game; do you two have some kind of history?

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I am also having a gut scum read on Bianco, I don't know if I wanna push it further, but just want it out there ftr.

I also don't like how they are so obsessed with the VC, yes someone was put at E-1 in RVS, but that shit happens sometimes.

I mean I am at E-3 as well, that isn't close to be elim'ed, but you didn't point that out.

Was bianco obsessed with the early E-1? I mostly associated that with Korina. I felt like that was a distraction whenever it was given more weight than "RVS wagon".

Drew takes exception to me liking that people declare E-x.

i really have no desire to talk to you

i hate you as a person

Yesh, I don't believe this is ever tilted scum. I don't see scum getting angry when pushed, regardless of the reasons, at most frustrated.

If Ari is scum this is deliberate AtE

not really scumreading the slot but like... come on. scum definitely gets angry when pushed

I don't think they do? Peraphs we're using different meaning of angry. People can get very heated and frustated if they're being beat at games, maybe even throw a tantrum, but that was far too personal to be that. That looked like Ari felt

personally slighted

by Drew, which to me would make no sense if it was a correct push

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About the number of mafia, the theme is quite counterintuitive, and I think it'd make a lot more sense if mafia turned out to be Baldy, Fatty and Donkey from the show (or whatever they're called). So that's an argument for three mafia.

No, it would not (assuming you mean Joe, Elliot and Ramsey). Alredy using flavour to spec is dubious, but what flavour we have is directly opposed to this. Our role PMs, as you can see in the sample, explicitly speak of "contestants", so this theory only works if we assume scum got different flavour in their PMs; and lilith said this in the OP:

Here's Masterchef judge and world-famous chef Borden Tansy, with a special guest judge, Calvin Song. Borden and Calvin are known for their harsh critique, often to the point of bringing contestants to tears, and that's exactly why they're the perfect judges for this challenge. These

two

judges will be walking around the kitchen today, observing and critiquing the contestants' cooking techniques and skills throughout the challenge. Contestants might be tempted to finish their recipes if they can't handle the heat!

Which would be an incredible strange piece of flavor if there are three scum and each is a judge

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VOTE: Aureal

I can move to the Aureal wagon if the furtive one doesn't want to get going. In particular, I don't really see her wall post as town, for me it rather comes across as someone who wants to appear town. Tweet made long posts, they were relatively well received (except by Drew, apparently). But the post lacks the reasons and flow it'd need if it came from a genuine place. This by itself isn't necessarily a strong scumtell because she's under fire, but her earlier posts also gave off this mimicry vibe, although mich subtler. All in all, she seems to be primarily concerned about appearing town, and that is a scumtell.

Also don't really like this. This 'mimicry' argument is extremely vague. Dessew offered no real argument before this about his Aureal sr other than "kuribo said so", which is a way to open someone for a push while not really putting face on it, and 525 do not come close at doing the job. @Dessew, can you tell us exactly what did kuribo find oh so lockscummy about Aureal? My teammates disagree btw

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Now I've actually at down and properly looked at Aureal's ISO (also on a laptop), and I'm dumb, Aureal seems to be town. She's been actually quite proactive. I still think 470 is weird, it's very different from her other stuff, but it's not extremely scummy, and it's just one post. I misremembered, soryy.

VOTE: furtive

I still really like furtive elimination, and I know it's legit because it's based on his voting history, which I do remember correctly.

Write now we're E-1, but I won't get eliminated, so if you're off the wagon but suspect me, not declaring intent is anti-town (not necessarily in terms of alignment, but in terms of your effect on the game). Not discussing alternative or second choice eliminations is also anti-town. From the other two wagons, I townread Tweet a lot, and Drew a little, but still.

furtive voting history for reference:

VOTE: Dessew

Building a wagon
Slaying a dragon

UNVOTE:

Oops, I don't want to accidentally throw a Team Mafia_TM game

VOTE: McMenno

Not loving their posting so far

VOTE: Aureal

I'm fine with eliminating Menno, furtive or Aureal at this point. My townreads are the same.

I've recently had a game where Drew replced in, he's a chill, active player. Let's see what he does.

This seems like scum content to me.

VOTE: Dessew

So, there is the rvs lolE-1 thing, and then a couple change of minds. Is the quippical nature of the votes that you think is oh so scummy? It's not that is wagon-hopping, since there were no votes on Aureal (except Ari's, but he did talk her into wagoning her), and there were no votes on you -- in fact furtive was already on a larger wagon at the time.

I'm liking the Dessew pressure. More later, watch this space!

Is this supposed to be your response to my question? When is later supposed to be?

VOTE: furtiveglance
Why are you ignoring me, furtive?

I really would like to know more about your reasoning for being on the Dessew wagon, too. Same question to Norwe- do you have anything other than just Alisae's opinion?

@Aureal, are you saying that ignoring quip question is a scumtell? Personally I had very poor luck with it

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Ari (You) and Drew T/T

Bianco town for interaction with Ari
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Town for interaction with Ari? What interaction? Just the: "Ari too tilted to be scum" post?

For discrediting Ari apparently

???
It must be that since I've never otheriwise really interacted with her (before that I've never quoted her except 112 and indirectly 296, nor ever @ her). But how it is you're tr'ing me for

discrediting

another of your trs?

That's also an interesting interpretation, I wasn't actually discrediting anyone

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Aureal is town btw

I think I initially townleaned you for saying something nice about me alignment-wise, and Gimli's input made me see things differently.

Oh so it was Gimli after all.

Well good news, I don't have any townreads anymore!

I don't really see the scum motivation in doing this. Presumably scum would decide on someone to tr, no much point in vanifying the effort

I'm scumreading Dessew, Korina, and Drew. Norwe can be slimy because that's the word he used, and it's appropriate for what he's doing there with making an issue around Ari's replace-out after saying he didn't want to dwell on it out of respect for the players. I

actually

have that respect so I'm not going to discuss that anymore.

Do note the wording, here Aureal is saying Norwe is

slimy

but is

not

putting him in in the scumlean bucket. It does not look a deliberate shade otherwise there would be no reason to esplicitly note the distinction between sr and slimy.
(Moreover, Aureal clearly cares about specificity of adjectives, as seen here:

Btw furtive, you didn't answer my question.

Is

there a difference between shady and sus?

)

That's about what we should expect from Kawaii sadly. Maybe they'll show up to breathlessly sheep someone for a bit and prod dodge. And furtive is being more active than our last game, micro 1072.

the audacity of replacing out of the smallest game only to then try to replace into the event again

not to mention that is shady as hell

VOTE: Doctor Drew

Oh by the way, I finally realized maybe this was because you think Kawaii replaces out as scum? Is that why you're doing this? Because that's just not how it works- Kawaii did the same in my last game, posted once then vanished, and the slot was town. Check the last post in the bans thread if you want examples.

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Not going to speculate on replacing out meaning anything for alignment. For your benefit though there is actually a completed scum game for Kawaiislot in that ban post though- they actually posted several times then got replaced by the mod for content less prod dodging.

This is a selection of posts where Aureal attempts to talk us out of a potentially easy lim; it's not even exhaustive. There really isn't much reason to do this unless she was genuinely unconviced of the lim, or didn't want it. Either Aureal & Kawaii/Drew are partnered, or this is negative scum equity.

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@Dessew,

Speaking of teammates

Gimli wants me to reiterate Aristeia/Korina T/T and Aureal scum, but with more 'sauce'

So there you go

lets wagon aureal then

VOTE: Aureal

VOTE: Aureal

furtive was spiritually first on wagon, yes. "Talked into" was peraphs too strong of a phrase.
Also you are ignoring how Aureal ceased to be 'unsus' about two pages earlier:

Any Gimli enjoyers here?

His reads:

bianco, Korina town
Aristeia null
Aureal sus

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I'll take that McMenno has intent and claim.

Ingredient Inspector; I target a player and name an ingredient; I discover whether they have that ingredient, and move it to the shelf if they do.

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Oh wow, you sniped me. That's quite unfortunate

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...And you snaped me again