TM 2023 | Masterchef MafiaScum (Game over)

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Hi everyone. I hope Borden's in a good mood today

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VOTE: Furtiveglance
Is this alignment indicative enough for you.

Better yeah

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Is talking about our team's reads gonna be a big part of this?

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VOTE: Dessew

Building a wagon
Slaying a dragon

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UNVOTE:

Oops, I don't want to accidentally throw a Team Mafia_TM game

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this game is extremely slow >.>

I'd describe it as 'cagey' so far

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mmm do you have any alignment related thoughts so far

Yeah Dessew seemed a bit sus hence my vote

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mmm do you have any alignment related thoughts so far

Yeah Dessew seemed a bit sus hence my vote

+Norwee seems town

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you feel kinda restrained compared to the last time we played together

burnout?

Maybe I've matured

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you feel kinda restrained compared to the last time we played together

burnout?

Maybe I've matured

I'm guessing you're only saying that because I haven't openwolfed or said anything else wacky yet

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VOTE: Furtive

Teammates are saying Furtive is not playing to his town game as well

Which ones

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Shirou’s got some more takes they want me to share to hopefully end the apathy.
- First of all they wonder why Furtive is so lacking in this game. More specifically, why they seem to lack the drive and direction that town!them usually has.
- Why Aureal didn’t ask about Datisi reasoning for townreading Korina before. Datisi townread was already made when post 62 by Aureal was made.
- @Aristeia Shirou wants to know the motive behind your townread on me.
- Biancospine pointing out that votes seem co-ordinated in page 28 is odd because it makes the assumption that scum would co-ordinate their votes… in RVS.

Outdated meta

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yes, I'm here now. who's scum? is it VOTE: norwee?

No, are you reading?

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Gimli says he's townreading bianco, Korina, Norwee and Ari btw. I'm only townreading Norwee really.

He thinks Aureal is a bit stiff and awkward. Meh maybe

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VOTE: Menno

I don't have strong feelings about a furtive wagon, but Menno seems better.

I like NB and Korina for town so far. In particular, the setting is a bit counterintuitive, so anything that might appear obvious to one player, might be all the more confusing ti the other. Especially in this case I wouldn't expect mafia to write such a long post about the mechanics, even if the observations aren't particularly insightful.

I find mech posting the easiest thing to do as mafia, especially if there isn't much insight

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VOTE: McMenno

Not loving their posting so far

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didn't you recently play a game against me where I was scum

Me? We were both scum in xyzy's game

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Yeah.

Regardless, if your remark was meant to claim that this game and that one showcase contrasting playstyles, you seem exactly the same.

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yes, I'm here now. who's scum? is it VOTE: norwee?

No, are you reading?

found the scumteam, pack it up

This take feels fake as fuck.

Based on what? Them not agreeing with you means partners?

give me 1 reason why I should take this post seriously

I don't like how furtive is pushing McMenno. That was very obviously not a serious take, why did you get so pinged on it

VOTE: furtive

That was not me, it was mistaken identity

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Can't believe I almost got caught for the wrong reason

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Which, leaves Furtive. I can go through and try to case Furtive more tightly than just this later.

Nah this one is airtight dw, you've proved that everyone else is town and I'm the only scum

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I'm glad others realise how bad the reasoning for Korina's push on me is.

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Norwee golden obvtown, elect God of thread

Korina shady

McMenno shady

Bianco mistake sus? Or clueless?

Aristeia sus

Aureal unsus

Dessew sus

Kawaii sus

Kthxbai

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Any Gimli enjoyers here?

His reads:

bianco, Korina town
Aristeia null
Aureal sus

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It was post-ironically self aware smh

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Gimli said I gave his reads with no gusto

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now die scum

This is not the scum you're looking for

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So anyway I read stuff a little more coherently, and I don't like Dessew's entrance so Aristeia gets town points for feeling the same. I don't like Norwe's response to it either though, it's doing the same stating the obvious thing except playing up being ignorant.

Don't like Korina and the trying to make something out of the Dessew wagon, and pushing furtiveglance for it.

Norwe and Korina's posting about the NK stuff would be a bit weird if paired, though biancospino may disagree.

Townleaning Ari and furtiveglance; scumlean on Dessew, Korina, Norwe. We might need to pressure Kawaii at some point but I think we've got some stuff to work with for now.

Ceph and Kowah brought up a point regarding this:

Furtive might've not known it was E-1, but Furtive absolutely would've known there was a wagon at that point. Like, that's the main thing from me. You can clearly see a wagon even without a VC, so why vote and put it to E-1 even if it was unintentional? Why not count the votes and realize it'd be E-1? Just weird.

I didn't realise it was E-1. I knew it was a wagon.

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He literally was disengaged the whole game because he lost an ELO situation recently, but that game also wasn't very good because it had a ban evading user in it. But I would say in general, yes he was generally aware of the game state and was aware of things going on. He was town that game too.

Turf Wars?

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I'm taking a while to get into this one. Conceptions of my town meta are outdated, that's all I can say.

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I'm going off what you did in Turf Wars, where you were very aware of the game state and were actively doing things, and providing some content. You're not doing the same here.

I was completely wrong all game in Turf Wars

This game I could be pushing Dessew and McMenno more strongly but I've made it clear through voting that I scumread them.

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My edible kicked in

Finally -_-

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Speaking of teammates

Gimli wants me to reiterate Aristeia/Korina T/T and Aureal scum, but with more 'sauce'

So there you go

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VOTE: Aureal

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Little bit of pressure never hurt anyone

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maybe korina will pop in and call us scum working together again

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Btw furtive, you didn't answer my question.

Is

there a difference between shady and sus?

Shady is more annoying but not necessarily sus I guess

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Btw furtive, you didn't answer my question.

Is

there a difference between shady and sus?

Shady is more annoying but not necessarily sus I guess

So you weren't actually scumreading everyone except Norwe and I. Your list is kind of misleading then!

So, wanna talk about your vote? Did Gimli make you do it?

'Furt just do as I say'
'Ok Gimbo'

Err no. I don't think you've been especially towny though and it seemed like there was appetite for a you wagon so why not.

Gimli's read was part of it of course.

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Fire thinks Ari/Korina//Menno/Furtive should get a day 1 pass. Bianco leantown. And that we should kill in leftover slots Aureal/Dessew/Kawaii
Also they want to say that 62 was a bad vote by Aureal.

TM is quite fun because we've basically got loads more players than usual

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I'm fine with eliminating Menno, furtive or Aureal at this point. My townreads are the same.

I've recently had a game where Drew replced in, he's a chill, active player. Let's see what he does.

This seems like scum content to me.

VOTE: Dessew

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I'm fine with eliminating Menno, furtive or Aureal at this point. My townreads are the same.

I've recently had a game where Drew replced in, he's a chill, active player. Let's see what he does.

This seems like scum content to me.

VOTE: Dessew

If we do get a scum flip of Dessew it probably means Korina, Aristeia and Norwee are all town as well

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Btw furtive, you didn't answer my question.

Is

there a difference between shady and sus?

Shady is more annoying but not necessarily sus I guess

So you weren't actually scumreading everyone except Norwe and I. Your list is kind of misleading then!

So, wanna talk about your vote? Did Gimli make you do it?

'Furt just do as I say'
'Ok Gimbo'

Err no. I don't think you've been especially towny though and it seemed like there was appetite for a you wagon so why not.

Gimli's read was part of it of course.

Wanna talk about that read a little more, then? It's strange how you made this big list and I was the only one marked "unsus" but then actually it turns out I'm not especially towny. The only thing that seemed to change in between was that read from Gimli, but you say that's only part of the reasoning. I'm a little concerned that you would be swayed by things like "appetite for a wagon" particularly where it comes to me.

I think I initially townleaned you for saying something nice about me alignment-wise, and Gimli's input made me see things differently.

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i really have no desire to talk to you

i hate you as a person

This isn't warranted

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Anyway more votes on Dessew?

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Anyway more votes on Dessew?

Hard as it is to believe, given the badness content of them, Dessew only has six posts. Are we really moving towards an elimination there at this point?

I am, yeah

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@Furtive, what is so outdated about the meta Norwe is mentioning? They just said you have a lot of drive as town that hasn’t come yet. Or do you not have an overabundance of *drive* and *direction*. Basically my point is, why is your response that the meta is dated, rather than that you do have drive the game just hasn’t started yet, which I think would probably be more fair. Like how is you putting effort in dated?

I've lost some of the drive I used to have recently, that was the point I was making.

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320 by furtive - Isn’t it a little early to do pre-flip associatives, what causes you to do this for Dessew here? @ furtive

I wanted to sweeten the deal to get more voters on Dessew, with the promise of information

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Not to mention teammates thinking MT/Ari is town and I’m slowly losing my conviction on it when rest of team are saying town

Cmon let it gooo

Just let it beee

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E-1 announcing should be common practice, even though I didn't earlier. I get E-2. E-3 is meh

I think:
MT, Norwee, Drew, Korina town
Bianco townlean
Other 3 here, Dessew most sus rn

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I'm liking the Dessew pressure. More later, watch this space!

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I won't get eliminated

PR claim?

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I'm liking the Dessew pressure. More later, watch this space!

Is this supposed to be your response to my question? When is later supposed to be?

VOTE: furtiveglance
Why are you ignoring me, furtive?

I really would like to know more about your reasoning for being on the Dessew wagon, too. Same question to Norwe- do you have anything other than just Alisae's opinion?

Dessew's posting looks like fairly standard scumplay at the moment, in a sea of townier players. That's it.

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Fyurtive hit me with a Gimli enjoyer status update wheenever u got the time

Ari (You) and Drew T/T

McMenno likely town even though posts are bad

Bianco town for interaction with Ari

POE for D1: Aureal, Dessew, maybe Norwee as well

As for my own thoughts, I'm in a similar place but townreading Norwee more

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What strikes you as standard scumplay about it?

Reads are pretty thread-flowy (especially in regards to stance on me), comes alive when pushed (main goal self-pres, note the attitude of 'I won't die' which I see more from scum). Treading water really.

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I missed the names of the judges, it's a good find. Then there must be two mafia, and they must be the judges (why else come up with the name Calvin Song?)

Oh there are two judges. I was debating whether or not to rehash the "But masterchef has three judges" thing in response to Dessew and decided not to. But there's two so he's actually right. That makes a lot more sense

I saw the Judges as more creations of the mod for flavour, rather than Mafia.

Doesn't the settting make more sense if we're all contestants and some are evil?

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usually the contestants dont have control over the ingredients and the twists really.

One of the judges is obv Ramsey but i dont recognize the other so Dessews theory of "had to add one" made sense to me lol

Why is there two rather than one? I guess

So Borden Tansy and Calvin Song are trying to force feed us?

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Fyurtive hit me with a Gimli enjoyer status update wheenever u got the time

Ari (You) and Drew T/T

McMenno likely town even though posts are bad

Bianco town for interaction with Ari

POE for D1: Aureal, Dessew, maybe Norwee as well

As for my own thoughts, I'm in a similar place but townreading Norwee more

Town for interaction with Ari? What interaction? Just the: "Ari too tilted to be scum" post?

For discrediting Ari apparently

Aureal, what am I yet to answer?

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I'm fine with eliminating Menno, furtive or Aureal at this point. My townreads are the same.

I've recently had a game where Drew replced in, he's a chill, active player. Let's see what he does.

This seems like scum content to me.

VOTE: Dessew

If we do get a scum flip of Dessew it probably means Korina, Aristeia and Norwee are all town as well

furtive can you explain your reasoning here please? I think I know why you're saying it but I disagree with that.

E-1 earlier wagon

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Yes that's what I figured it came from, but why? I don't see any real reason to think partners wouldn't vote each other in RVS, expecting nothing much to come of it.

I would probably unvote soon after if I did RVS vote my partner

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Aureal is moving a bit strange at the moment, I could also vote there

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The role is confirmable, so it'd take a very special player, like Menno, to hammer me

How could a Doctor be confirmable?

I'll unvote for now though

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UNVOTE:

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furtive interactions with bianco:
puts him at "townlean" throughout the day
unvotes Dessew at eod, no mention of anything else (norwee's bianco wagon)

VOTE: furtive

True

I wasn't on for eod, I think I saw Norwee suggest a bianco wagon but was undecided.

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I am actually town. I don't have an ability that confirms me or anything though. Where are we with Dessew's thing?

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It is likely furtive or Korina, i havent reread since the flip though so could be wrong

I would like to formally shake the hands of each and every wagonee (Drew gets a fist bump)

Furtive, who were you thinking was scum yesterday? After you unvoted Dessew you left thread, which was kind of weird timing with so little time on the clock yet. Dessew/Aureal, I assume? You unvoted Dessew at the request of Dessew (role confirmable thing) but left the door open to vote him again, but never actually did vote again.

Maybe we cut the day off early before you could have came back to vote Dessew. It strikes me as ever so slightly convenient you weren't around to comment on bianco at all -- like as town, wouldn't you want to vote for Aureal or Dessew? Why unvote Dessew "for now" then not come back? Easily explainable by us cutting the day off early though, so, only slightly convenient I suppose

Did you have an opinion on bianco beforehand besides undecided? Did the flip invoke any emotion?

You've got it bang on really, Aureal maybe Dessew. I can't remember exactly what I was doing on that day, I just remember that I wanted to respect the PR claim even though I was a bit sceptical, and I'd decided to vote later but wasn't on. I was pretty surprised that bianco was Mafia.

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The role is confirmable, so it'd take a very

special

player, like Menno, to hammer me

can you elaborate on that one chief

This comment was unkind, I apologise. It turns out, I was the most special player all along.

Anyway, at night I take a random item from a player. I wouldn't target furtive because he's my top scumread, but for the sake of the argument let's say that he survives today, and I target him. Then at the start of D2 I can say, "furtive, I targeted you", and he can confirm that he lost an ingredient. Alternatively, I could also say, "haha, furtive, YEAST, amirite?" if the first one doesn't do the trick. N1 I could pretend with a scumbuddy if I were mafia, but if I change my target for N2, then by D3 I'm 100% confirmed (because, as previously discussed, there's only two mafia), and even before that I'd only have one possible partner.

My role is practically a doctor, but it's been modified for the special NK mechanics.

Did anyone lose an ingredient?

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Wait, I'm seeing now that I was given an ingredient right before D1 start. Was this anyone's doing? Did anyone else have this?

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Yes I also was given an ingredient at the start of d1, Lilith announced this. Were you not paying attention to that?

Also I didn’t lose any ingredients last night.

I wasn't paying attention

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Couldn't there be 3 technically?

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Couldn't there be 3 technically?

Four prs in 9 players seems excessive

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It could be a lot of weak PRs for all we know

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I'm not VT btw, if anyone cares

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We all care, furtive, what's your role called?

I'm a neighbouriser, haven't done it yet

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We all care, furtive, what's your role called?

I'm a neighbouriser, haven't done it yet

Is your role flavour in a theme game neighbouriser?

What are you on about? I'm a recipe for a food, aren't we all?

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It says you are a recipe but you're also something else

Right, I'm also a Neighbouriser

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Dessew, why is it not possible for there to be a town pseudo-vig in this game?