lol i feel youIn post 4734, mith wrote: Pew pew
I think the lim today is almost certainly Datisi but no need to rush. Mena, did you neighborize?
(Can I just say how relieved I was that jjh flipped scum and I didn’t have to figure out who to shoot in a jjh town world? The RL stress this week got turned up to 11, I was in no condition to process that.)
It was Ali, lolIn post 4746, Menalque wrote: @lld jingle would like to know if the scum in the triple was imag
Bella scum doesn't need to eliminate JJH yesterday and infact Bella voted before you didIn post 4767, Menalque wrote: Why do you think it’s dats > Bella again?
You know I struggle to believe this right? I know townie you does this but you were hardset on a Ythan scum pathIn post 4773, Datisi wrote: mwna had been in favour of yeeting jjh publicly for a while, no?
if bella didn't allow for hammer while i was asleep, o would've hammered it when i woke up. her vote there doesn't really... mean much
You are going to have to convince me.In post 4781, Datisi wrote:yes becausw i was scumreading you. but if it came to either jjh yeet or no yeet, it's obviously better to yeet jjhIn post 4775, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:You know I struggle to believe this right? I know townie you does this but you were hardset on a Ythan scum pathIn post 4773, Datisi wrote: mwna had been in favour of yeeting jjh publicly for a while, no?
if bella didn't allow for hammer while i was asleep, o would've hammered it when i woke up. her vote there doesn't really... mean much
i was trying to solve with mena in the hood where i wouldn't constantly get ignored or yelled at. it's up to him to decide how that looks, doubt i can convince you of anything anyway
Cause it's an example of manipulative power that I think one of you is exerting over the other without the other knowing.In post 4783, Datisi wrote: WHY would we be scum for the role trade? we outed it the same day
I expect town you to indignantly prove me wrong.In post 4788, Datisi wrote: kind of hard to do that when you keep going "there are these totally bad associates, trust me bro" which doesn't let me respond to them, and all other responses that i had was "i don't think town you does that" "this reminds me of hod" "this makes sense from your pov but i don't care about it" how do you expect me to convince you of anything when you shut down whatever i say?
In this game with how crucial claims are and everything else going on with how bad our situation was?In post 4790, Datisi wrote:do you think we wouldn't have done it if we were tvt?In post 4786, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:Cause it's an example of manipulative power that I think one of you is exerting over the other without the other knowing.In post 4783, Datisi wrote: WHY would we be scum for the role trade? we outed it the same day
So you are saying Dats never felt they might have had enough foothold with you to swing your vote to Ythan in a 4/4 tie?In post 4793, Menalque wrote:Okay I need to look at the gimli bit and the ali bitIn post 4778, Lady Lambdadelta wrote: For me:
Dats has day 1 Gimli interactions that look terrible and scummy.
Dats has a towncase on Ali that looks horrible in hindsight.
Dats voted Ythan. If Dats is town why didn't the scum try to hinge off that and win with 4 votes on Ythan? Bring Mena over for 5th? If it is Gimli Ali Bella why did kill JJH?
Why did Ali stop leaving eirself open to bussing and flip out when e realized I didn't townread eir? If Dats is town... Doesn't make sense as a move.
But on the voting ythan thing, I don’t think they ever get to 5, is why
Ythan never votes herself, and I was never voting ythan, neither were you, and neither was Mith
I'm really not. I'm laying on my back dilating while I type posts on my phone. I don't have enough fucks to give to try qnd purposefully frustrate you lolIn post 4799, Datisi wrote: like, are you trying to provoke me into getting frustrated? because i would much rather you vote me out today than me lose more nerves about mafia
Nah I got you. It's understood.In post 4805, Menalque wrote:I wrote 1st para in present tense but I meant it from his point of view at the time yesterdayIn post 4803, Menalque wrote: I think dats, if he is scum here, is aware that he’s under pressure and needs to keep me on side to have a chance at winning later
I think he knew I was strongly set enough on jjh that trying to bring me over would have been the thing that fully set my paranoia alarm off and that he knows well enough not to try that
Not to mention that I was never having day end in a 4/4 tie
Yes that is my JOB Dats.In post 4804, Datisi wrote: like, mena is giving a possible world for me being town, which you're asking for, and you're turning it into "ah so you're saying they're scum" like come the fuck on
So then tell me this. You were never letting it end in 4/4 tie. Did you tell Dats this? Would you have flipped to make it Ythan if it was 4/4?In post 4805, Menalque wrote:I wrote 1st para in present tense but I meant it from his point of view at the time yesterdayIn post 4803, Menalque wrote: I think dats, if he is scum here, is aware that he’s under pressure and needs to keep me on side to have a chance at winning later
I think he knew I was strongly set enough on jjh that trying to bring me over would have been the thing that fully set my paranoia alarm off and that he knows well enough not to try that
Not to mention that I was never having day end in a 4/4 tie
So for you, your perspective isn't "Dats is number 1 town"In post 4811, Menalque wrote:I think you don’t understand the dynamic that dats and I haveIn post 4800, Lady Lambdadelta wrote: Also another reason to kill dats today is if we fo Bella and Bella is town and I get shot
I am not sure you two will turn on each other and then there might be "is Mith scum?" talks
We’ve played a lot of games together, we had a period where I fooled him a few times, a period where he fooled me a few times, a period where every game was intense paranoia and a bit unfun and didn’t play for a while, and I think have reached a point where we’re okay at balancing it
Although I did tell him that if he flips scum here then him not being hyper paranoid of me in future games is a scumtell for him
My point is — yes, I think either of us with neighbouriser almost always hoods the other N1 unless there was a very strong suspicion they had of that person, and even then probably still makes the hood sometimes to try and nail down the read
However, we’re both still independent players looking at the game and I don’t think either would buy the other one trying to sell Mith in a f3 where we flip Bella today and she’s town. I just don’t believe that happens, I know I’m not being sold on that, again Mith is basically as good as conftown to me after the ali interactions followed by successfully shooting scum
i mean okay sureIn post 4814, Datisi wrote: ok i'm gonna fuck off from this thread fir a bit before i say something i don't want to say
Nah I believe it.In post 4816, Menalque wrote: I can answer the second bit tho — yes, but there’s no way I ever would have admitted it and I would have made the vote in the final 30 seconds before deadline officially expired
I can find evidence of me sticking to a line like that too to force the compromise the other way too, it was from a coalition game I played ages ago
Yeah, that tracks.In post 4819, Menalque wrote:My perspective is the same I’d have as scum here yesIn post 4815, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:So for you, your perspective isn't "Dats is number 1 town"In post 4811, Menalque wrote:I think you don’t understand the dynamic that dats and I haveIn post 4800, Lady Lambdadelta wrote: Also another reason to kill dats today is if we fo Bella and Bella is town and I get shot
I am not sure you two will turn on each other and then there might be "is Mith scum?" talks
We’ve played a lot of games together, we had a period where I fooled him a few times, a period where he fooled me a few times, a period where every game was intense paranoia and a bit unfun and didn’t play for a while, and I think have reached a point where we’re okay at balancing it
Although I did tell him that if he flips scum here then him not being hyper paranoid of me in future games is a scumtell for him
My point is — yes, I think either of us with neighbouriser almost always hoods the other N1 unless there was a very strong suspicion they had of that person, and even then probably still makes the hood sometimes to try and nail down the read
However, we’re both still independent players looking at the game and I don’t think either would buy the other one trying to sell Mith in a f3 where we flip Bella today and she’s town. I just don’t believe that happens, I know I’m not being sold on that, again Mith is basically as good as conftown to me after the ali interactions followed by successfully shooting scum
It's "one of me dats and bella is scum, and if I convince the town to kill the other 2 I win"
Which is unfortunately also the wcum wincon between you three ahahah
My thoughts are — I still don’t think datisi plays the game the way he has if scum. Lld is conftown, Mith is de facto conftown
Therefore it’s probably Bella
If it isn’t Bella and dats has hard pocketed me then fun, we get to 1v1 tomorrow, amazing
I’m not going to kick and scream about not limming dats today, but equally I’m trusting my read as best I can, while I will look at the points you made on dats/gimli and dats/ali aorn I want to lim Bella bc I think that’s a better chance of ending the game here and I’m lazy
Also I hate doing 1v1s as either alignment so I’d rather try to lim the more likely final scum today
we're always eliminating one of you/dats/menaIn post 4840, Bellaphant wrote: @lld, is it mechanically better to just lim me? Because I'm not getting out of lylo alive with dats and mena.
oh 100%.In post 4851, Menalque wrote: lol are we all just lurking this topic
yeah, it's.... suicidal especially with a player like me who will just kill someone because they look stinky.In post 4881, mith wrote: Yeah, I'm struggling to come up with a reason Bella says thattodayas scum. (Beyond just "scum could say anything")
You know what I need from you?In post 4885, Datisi wrote: i think comparing bella and mena's play around mith is like - scum!mena would've had to accept his fate of 1v1ing tomorrow. bella is trying to test the waters for seeing whether people really think mith is 100% clear. to me, the reason she's saying it today is really obvious - she *can't* say it tomorrow because she's likely to get instavoted tomorrow, and then mith doesn't hammer, and then he really is confirmed town
I can only ask you to do your best, tbh.In post 4890, Datisi wrote:saying "i'm fine dying today" is like... really not scum-mastermind territoryIn post 4888, Bellaphant wrote:But I've also said I'll happily die today to make tomorrow easier. Like, I don't think anyone is buying that i'm this scum!mastermind.In post 4885, Datisi wrote: i think comparing bella and mena's play around mith is like - scum!mena would've had to accept his fate of 1v1ing tomorrow. bella is trying to test the waters for seeing whether people really think mith is 100% clear. to me, the reason she's saying it today is really obvious - she *can't* say it tomorrow because she's likely to get instavoted tomorrow, and then mith doesn't hammer, and then he really is confirmed town
how is this autowin as opposed to a 50/50?In post 4889, Bellaphant wrote: If mith being scum is ludicrous and lld as confirmed town, and should die tonight, then killing me today should be auto win? The neighbours will /have/ to decide between each other, so me saying what I've said has kind of helped because mena (and to a lesser extent dats) has kind of shown their hand around their mith position.
and @lld - i don't think i can blank myself from the hood because the hood *is* part of the townread. but i can reread his iso + the hood + whatever context i need and give you a definite answer, sure
Same. I also just don't want to fumble the free elimination we bought ourselves.In post 4896, mith wrote: Agree that Datisi is the lim today, obviously. I'll probably go ahead and vote sometime tomorrow; do want to give Datisi a little more time to post some thoughts (specifically on Mena and the neighborhood) in the event that he's town.