TM 2023 | Super Mario Bros Mafia | Game Over!

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VOTE: Radical Rat

Sorry mate, but nature dictates that I must lim all rodents

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Getting towny vibes from RR

VOTE: Cerb

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Why is wgeurts lower than Cerb?

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Because we think wogurts has a strong potential to be scum aorn. Ask a silly question...

ok, why?

I think Cerb's posts have been lengthy and wordy but don't have much meat to them & feel vaguely pocket-y of wgeurts

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VOTE: CSF

Laying on the pocket a bit thick for so early on aren't you?

How do you think I've been pocketing?

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Because we think wogurts has a strong potential to be scum aorn. Ask a silly question...

ok, why?

I think Cerb's posts have been lengthy and wordy but don't have much meat to them & feel vaguely pocket-y of wgeurts

how much meat would you expect based on when in the game they were posted?

I didn't expect that much meat, it was more so that the post was responding to multiple things without necessarily adding to the conversation

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VOTE: HPE

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VOTE: CSF

Laying on the pocket a bit thick for so early on aren't you?

How do you think I've been pocketing?

I believe your defense of wgeurts is too strong for how early it is and likely an attempt to either curry favor or overextend for a buddy. I don't think you would be protecting a buddy from such a light push so early though, so I'm suspecting a white knight attempt

My posts were mainly an attempt to engage with Jingle who happened to be in the thread at the time, but I can kinda see why you may have perceived it as a defense of wgeurts

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VOTE: HPE

Sheep?

Yeah basically. I see you commenting on things as "weird" or "alarming" (97, 124) but not really following up. Are those behaviors scummy?

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oh yeah this one's easy already page 2
VOTE: HighPrincess

Can you elaborate what you didn't like from it on page 2?

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the initial accusations are still... Eek.

Can you explain how their accusations are different from mine or peta's?

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Lockscum

kids these days


doesn't nearly have a good a ring as confscum

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For those questioning me, shhhhh, all in due time

That seems like a sketchy refusal to elaborate considering we only know for sure you've seen pages 1 and 2.

HPE, if you're town, instead of hunkering down on why people are voting you tell me who you think we should be voting instead.

I'm not a huge fan of this post. I think evaluating people's reasons for voting itself can be a valid form of scumhunting in of itself. As for "who it thinks we should be voting instead", its vote was already on you anyway

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Jingle, I hate to take your fun away but can you stick with one spelling of wgeurts? It's going to make ctrl+f'ing for them in your ISO a pain otherwise

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I'll be honest I don't really remember your play from the xyzzy game but I can take a look later.

But by your own reasoning, shouldn't you be voting for me then since you had higher expectations from me in a sense?

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May I ask why you're still voting them however? As opposed to me who you've criticised or another?

Is this at me? I'm a bit confused by the reasoning behind its primary push (on you) - it doesn't really make much sense to me

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They're giving me a whole bunch of waffle.

Jingle comes in and says he's a bit suspicious of Porken's, suddenly HPE is questioning Porken's too and walks back their vote on me a little.

Note that Porkens is voting with HPE. If HPE is a passive player, I want to shove them off the fence and get them to take hard stances. If they're not used to that, making them squirm will in the short term and long term be telling enough.

I don't think pressuring someone you're voting with means much at this stage of the game, but the bolded is a fairly good observation

Was aimed at Jingle, who do you take as town right now yourself?

Radical Rat comes across as town, especially given what I perceive their scum range to be. Adorable feels genuine

I had some towny feelings on Jingle and petapan earlier but am going to be more wary of those slots

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A mechanical thought occurs. It is possible that there is a role or roles that benefit from having powerups. It is possible that Adorable has one of these roles. I don't want Adorable to say whether this is the case. I'm mentioning this because at this point I don't particularly mind if scum kill adorable on the back of this speculation and I've decided I actually want the powerup awarded in case this is the case.

VOTE: Powerup: Adorable

Do you strongly townread Adorable? You don't seem to be concerned with it being a scum ability activated by the powerup

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A little, but this one doesn't know about outright VOTING you for that when it has genuine reason to believe in a scum motivation by wgeurts.

I'm still unsure how why you singled them out for potential scum motivation if their accusations have been the same as others tbh

I did take a look at the xyzzy game and you do have a habit of making observations that you don't think are necessarily scummy & slow to form scumreads, so I am feeling less good about my vote atm

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Cerberus calling HPE's 120 beetlejuice in 228 feels rather uncharitable given how active HPE has been this game

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That's a loaded question. I am relatively strongly townreading adorable, but also I would probably be pro giving her the power even if I weren't.

Locking anything majorly significant behind a public use vote is kind of poor game design, and not something I'd expect from Cakez. Like... if scum needs a strongman or scumvig to be competitive and that's locked behind calling extra attention to themselves, that's a bad decision I think Cakez is better than making. If its moderate power, like a roleblock, then it sucks but it's not the end of the world if it turns on. If it's moderate townpower, like a tracker or a doctor we might lose adorable because I'm pointing scum at adorable by outing this, but I think it likely scum will just assume that it's not worth worrying over but also we wouldn't get the power anyway if I didn't make that post. If it's no power at all, scum might be swayed into shooting Adorable over someone who is more immediately threatening to them.

[p]253[/p] implies that there is a mechanical reason for wanting the power, and while GiF is a troll who might have told Adorable to go for the powerup because he knew/expected it was a waste of town's time, he's also a good enough mod that if there was a reason to want it he would definitely coach Adorable into trying for it at that point. And leaving which of those is actually the case openended is pretty obviously the right way to approach this as town.

Basically you value the opportunity to keep scum guessing? This explanation makes sense to me at face value though admittedly thinking about this stuff is not my strength

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oh yeah this one's easy already page 2
VOTE: HighPrincess

I eagerly await the in depth and well reasoned argument based off their *checks notes* 3 posts they had made to that point which I am sure you will never provide.

It seems like you picked up on the same issue with Fate's post that I saw, so it's surprising to me that you would also write this:

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doesn't nearly have a good a ring as confscum

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For those questioning me, shhhhh, all in due time

That seems like a sketchy refusal to elaborate considering we only know for sure you've seen pages 1 and 2.

I think I missed a post by HPE in here where I was going to call out the beetlejuicing a second time, and instead accidentally posted the part where they threw shade on the person voting them instead. NAGL.

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I'm more concerned with the application of the tell this early. It was explicitly beetlejuicing, but beetlejuicing is really only a scumtell if it's a pattern of behavior.

Okay what the hell is beetlejuicing

I thought it was if someone lurks in the game but then magically pops into the thread right when someone susses them

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If someone is active in the game, I figure they're probably refreshing it regularly, which makes the timing of it less suspect

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I can take issue with the behavior of both slots. I vaguely recall fate being a spammy player who appears useless until they suddenly become useful, so I don't expect anything to come from them that is well reasoned,especially not at this point.

Sure

To clarify, when you said 194 was NAGL, how did that post strike you as scum indicative instead of town trying to find scum on its wagon?

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I'm null on both Fate and Porkens

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I'm still unsure how why you singled them out for potential scum motivation if their accusations have been the same as others tbh

To clarify: You asked what makes you and peta's accusations different from wgeurts'. This one said the only common link was that you all three said it wasn't posting much of substance, because otherwise only wgeurts was making further accusations in the readwall like with the Jingle thing or power-up talk, etc.

Sorry I missed this earlier. This does make more sense

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VOTE: Fate

Feeling rather uncertain of my reads atm, but this is fine for now

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I've been ambivalent about wgeurts but am going to tentatively say they're town. The thing that threw me for a loop was their early townlean on me when I wasn't feeling engaged in the game yet. It felt like a tmi-y townread made to potentially pocket someone, but thinking about it some more, I think I'm kind of a weird choice for a pocket in this list, especially since I was low effort posting up until that point. My team is feeling good about wgeurts too so that's also a thing

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Cerberus, can you summarize where you have people at right now?

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Cerberus, can you summarize where you have people at right now?

I could, but on principle I won't barring a super compelling reason to do so. I'm a Day 3 in a large game give a reads list and solve the game kinda guy. Since this is smaller, I'll solve the game midday tomorrow assuming we see two flips to base my analysis off of.

I will, however, gladly answer specific questions. If you want some non-summary thoughts on an individual in the next 24 hours(before my presence may become spotty) I could probably be convinced to ISO someone and arrive at a conclusion about them in particular that I'm willing to share.

I'm more interested in a quick tiered list of people over a detailed read list wall with explanations. You're making observations, and I'm interested in how you weigh the various things you've pointed out to form conclusions

as for a comprehensive ISO on someone, maybe wgeurts since you're familiar with their meta already

You also seem to imply that you're a teamsolver, yes? Any feelings as for what the scumteam may be doing yet?

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VOTE: Powerup: Adorable

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I mean this adorable wagon is gonna be juicy info later mark my words

Anyone you'd want the power up to go to, aside from yourself?

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I didn't like how Fate voted HPE with no elaboration and had nothing else to add.

Cerb has not been asking me good questions and these are the kind of questions that don't help on scum hunting. It looked like busywork to me. I would prefer players ask me question with a single quote and not a wallpost because I don't know how to edit the huge wall.

HPE I am null on and I can also imagine a town HPE being low hanging fruit. They said they are a passive player, I am also a passive player and I see nothing wrong with being passive.

See how she's going for easy non-controversial reads

also this self-described 'passive' playstyle is the towniest thing i've ever read

Iirc no one sussed cerb before 225

Maybe that doesn't qualify as controversial but it was original

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I'll be busy tomorrow traveling but should still be within prod range

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What are their reads?

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Also interested in why they think fate is a mislim

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Because they're right

What was genuine about their posting?

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the hell is a mislim

don't tell me the site did away with the word lynch and joined cancel culture

The word "lynch" is no longer allowed per site rules

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IS NO ONE ELSE CONCERNED THAT HPE JUMPED FROM VOTING ME THE BIGGEST WAGON TO WHO I AM VOTING?


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I would be if it was more confidently scum reading you in the first place, but i never got the impression that it was

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Can you talk about your wgeurts vote, fate?

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wgeurts can you comment on cerb's meta especially if he's typically reticent with his reads a la 369? I would normally check but I have limited time at the moment

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I also refuse to share a tier with adorable, I've been way scummier

I thought you were scumreading Adorable though or did that change?

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wgeurts can you comment on cerb's meta especially if he's typically reticent with his reads a la 369? I would normally check but I have limited time at the moment

I do not like his posting but he is correct in that he comes into action later in the game, it has been some years, but if he doesn't step up D2 it's a definite point to criticise. He's a bad day 1 vote, but you may note he's rather low down in my reads. Basically, null, maybe a bit scum leaning, but by far pending further action.

All right, why is he on the lower side then if this is within his townrange?

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I also refuse to share a tier with adorable, I've been way scummier

I thought you were scumreading Adorable though or did that change?

Thoughts on everything else I've posted as it's not the kind of "don't comment" content

Read your wall and some of your later posts, and I think your case can be summarized by "HPE is going with the flow and keeping options open" right? Sorry if that's way too simplistic but for the sake of keeping it straight in my head

it doesn't strike me as a particularly confident or proactive player, so I'm not sure how scum indicative those points are. I do think it hasn't declared strong reads except on Jingle, but I don't think that's scum indicative either considering I haven't been feeling good about my own reads either tbh

Some specific points:

I think I mentioned this earlier but thinking both you & Porkens could be scum doesn't seem like cogdis to me because reads are nebulous at that early stage of the game.

About its progression on you, it started to have doubts but never really came around to a townread on you afaict - and then you did also kinda disappear for a few days, so I can see how it got there

I guess my overarching question is- why is HPE scummier than Cerb who hasn't been pushing anything but you admit can be within their town meta? Or Fate who was on both your (wgeurts) and petapan wagons and whose read changes i'm finding difficult to follow?

Basically why is your HPE case such a "slam dunk" compared to some other reads that you're more nuanced about?

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I actually need adderall to get through this game

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This one can give you a readlist on everyone and clarify "silly" and try its hardest to explain what made it change it's mind on peta.

But you also never asked for any of that, never tried to get me to generate content by openly questioning me, you just let me go about my business so you could spin it as scummy.

The closest you came was 198 which this one answered and you then subsequently said "hey isnt it weird how HPE said porkens then voted fate??" like that means anything when they were both birds of a not-doing-much feather at that point.

The bolded is not an especially damning point considering wgeurts had been scumreading it basically the whole game, but I can see HPE thinking this and seeing a scum driven push on it

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I think Adorable, HPE, petapan, Radical Rat, and wgeurts are all probably town

I was kinda gutreading Porkens town, but it's not a read I care to go to bat for

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Cerb {initial bad vibes but good since,

I'm curious what Koba thought the inflection point was, since I didn't get this feeling about Cerb's posting

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VOTE: cerb

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Let that suspicion sit for a while to see if you ever got better and... not really. It's picked up a bit now that you're actually in danger though, so let's keep that danger looming a bit, eh?

hey, this really made me angry, so if you could not talk to me this way ever that would be great

I'm sorry, I'm actually confused here. Is it just because it's too theatrical?

i took a single day off from the game because i was feeling sick and to have it implied i was trying to lurk out and only started posting due to getting voted by you is really insulting

Okay, I understand now. I'm sorry I portrayed it that way, I should have been more clear.

I was referring more to post quality than quantity though. Before your wagon happened, you weren't really taking stances on things, it all felt very non-committal. Now it doesn't. I don't hold being sick for a day against you, but there has been a dramatic shift in the content of your posting before and after the formation of a wagon, and that's what I'm referring to here

What did you think of his latest catch-up?

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JUST FOR YOU ADORABLE!!!

I'm currently null on everyone at the moment.

If no one wants the double vote power up then I'll be willing to take it.

Why are you even saying these things? I don't see an objective to either post?

We should still probably give it to someone, right?

Why?

It doesn't do anything and just bloats the thread to do so.

What does that mean by bloats the thread?

I don't want to hate on someone for asking questions, but what is your objective here? I assume you know what bloating the thread means, and also understand why talking about this would do so. Which means you have some other objective to asking the question, so what is it?

My objective was to let players know that I didn't have any reads and it's better to share what I have been feeling instead of keeping it to myself. A teammate of mine said I should get the double vote power which is why I said in the thread I would be willing to take it. I didn't know on what bloating the thread means which is why I asked.

Interesting. This post is approximately 55% scum, 45% town. I think it's *slighly* more scum than town to want to get your thoughts out in the game ahead of people questioning you about them, and it's *definitely* more scum than town to defer responsibility for doing something that the game has decided is scummy. Interesting that you did not know what was meant by bloating the thread, but understood, makes sense in that case.

This is the last post Koba specifically called out as bad from cerbs (waffley weak uses a lot of words to say not a lot of substance).

I don’t know if there are specific posts since then they liked, but I did let Koba know that “a lot of words” is a NAI thing for cerbs afaicr so it might have been a reread thing. I’ll get back to you when they see this.

Agree that post was kinda weak but the feeling didn't improve after this even though he was mostly talking at me

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Interested in joining us?

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Contrast to early game when there was less content to comment on?

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open chatgpt: viewtopic.php?t=90462 (again he's gimmicking for 13 posts or so, keep scrolling down and you'll see where he stops using chatgpt to write responses)
weird dreams mafia: viewtopic.php?t=90611 (it's a replace in, but, like, that game had a similarish number of posts to where this one is at now)

like he can be lazy and low effort at times but all available evidence from what i've seen is that as town he is capable of actually trying but as scum he barely cares

Got around to double checking some of his meta. He's capable of doing more as both alignments than he has shown here, but he does strike me as someone who needs more time to fake analysis / reads as scum:

Scum game 1

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Subject: Mini Theme 2155: SIN: This Impurity must be Cleansed!

I'm getting to this I swear to god

Is there a reason why you've yet to place a vote on anyone?

Yeah - I don't have a clue. I'll put something together tomorrow

As in I don't have any reads because I haven't even skimmed everything yet.

Scum game 2

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Subject: Micro 1061: If Trees Could Scream [Game Over]

PORKENS CAN YOU POST A LIST OF YOUR READS

VOTE: porkens

Fine gosh now I’ll actually have to read the ttread

Scum game 3

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Subject: Mini 2032: TAZ Mafia: Murder on the Rockport Limited [over]

The major thing I was basing Porkens off of was oh gamma is voting there and vice versa so probably town right
then I remembered gamma bussed everyone on his scumteam in my game and that porkens iso is still pretty awful

so maybe that's just the third and this game is really easy and we can all go home and drink wine

VOTE: porkens

no no stop

i promise I will start actually playing this game tomorrow.

please don't lynch me in the next 24 hours. I will read and post actual things

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As scum, there's a general pattern of saying "I haven't been reading the game seriously yet" as an excuse for not having more serious thoughts or for having underdeveloped reads early in the game.

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I don't doubt that he's busy when he wrote these posts, but playing scum requires more time to think about the game & that seems to be true for Porkens.

The same kind of posting is present this game too:

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Jeeze Louise of course just gut I haven’t read the game

The game was only on page 7 at this point lol - how long does it take to read the game?

Cause I gut your town and I haven’t read enough to c

I’m gunna read soon

“Tedious”? Dang.

Can you for once actually comment on the game, actually give thoughts on what's happening, instead of being obnoxious?

Soon. How am I being obnoxious?

Gonna sleep now as my first wall of text in years has drained me. I do want to note, not providing any insight as to where you stand and not committing to anything is not a playstyle difference.

Tell me who you like most, tell me who you lije least. I don't care about questions posed if you never follow up.

I’ll do it later

I didn't want to include this in the spoiler, because I think it's a good example of what I'm trying to express here. This interaction seemed like a bad dodge when asked a basic question of "who do you like / dislike" - that's the kind of question that really should not take that much time or consideration to answer.

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He doesn't do this as town because all he has to do is post his genuine thoughts. It's hard to quote the absence of something, but here are some town games I looked at:

• viewtopic.php?sid=&f=53&t=89907&user_select%5B%5D=9469
  
• viewtopic.php?sid=&f=51&t=90036&user_select%5B%5D=9469
  
• viewtopic.php?sid=&f=23&t=90462&user_select%5B%5D=9469 - he does say he was going to post a readslist later in this post, but before that he already had more game-related content. More importantly, he's not using this as an excuse for not having more serious content. In fact, he even says that "posts were a lightning rod that generated the majority of content in this game so far" earlier.
  
• viewtopic.php?p=13565215&f=51&t=90144&u ... #p13565215
  
• viewtopic.php?sid=&f=3&t=90611&user_select%5B%5D=9469

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As a bonus, Porkens' vote in 163 also looks worse if HPE and wgeurts are indeed both town, which is kinda where I'm at.

VOTE: Porkens

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I'm not a fan of meta reads. Porkens play reminds me of some of the players I play with on WG. It could be lazy town or scum. Porkens is a slot I wouldn't mind going over if they don't give more thoughts about the game.

I didn't really get the impression that he was lazy town from my iso dives

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I wouldn't mind seeing competing porkens and cerb wagons

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Apologies if I missed it, but did you ever explain your townread on wgeurts, CSF?

I found the argument that they demonstrated a lot of heart in their push on HPE and therefore genuinely believe in their scumread to be fairly compelling

Their wall does seem reminiscent of some confbias-y cases written by town. They scumread a set of behaviors that HPE displayed since early game, and when it continued to play the same way, they became more and more convinced of their read

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I can kind of see this, but the self acknowledgment of how poorly made the original case was to the point of reworking it unprompted and the immediate handwaving of peta being convinced by it making sense still strikes me as dissonant.

That would be a point against peta's favor though, right?

Spoiler:

i like the wall

Why as town are you even focused on whether or not people are "altogether interested" in a wagon or not anyway?

this bit in particular resonates with me because i think scum often get caught using this type of reasoning about what is/isn't a viable wagon

I'm not sure whether he likes the content in the wall or simply thinks it was written by town. Probably the former given the second sentence

I disagree with the reasoning there... I think town moves their vote all the time to avoid vanity wagoning. Not sure if it moves the needle on my read though

Though come to think of it, weren't there 3 votes on the Fate wagon at the time? Why did HPE think the wagon wasn't viable?

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Is there anything else you've seen that implies town [from wgeurts]?

I thought their early reads made sense to me - the tier list at the top of 140 were roughly where I had people sorted by that point too

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I found the argument that they demonstrated a lot of heart in their push on HPE and therefore genuinely believe in their scumread to be fairly compelling

I can kind of see this, but the self acknowledgment of how poorly made the original case was to the point of reworking it unprompted and the immediate handwaving of peta being convinced by it making sense still strikes me as dissonant.

I feel like this is the kind of case that's really easy to write off as wrong town, but I have reservations. Is there anything else you've seen that implies town?

Oh, I misread this, yes I see what you're saying now, but I don't see how it's dissonant? If they thought their wall was poorly edited but the points would still make sense for a careful reader...

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Though come to think of it, weren't there 3 votes on the Fate wagon at the time? Why did HPE think the wagon wasn't viable?

nvm I misremembered the reasoning behind HPE's wagon hop

Spoiler:

Votecount 1.4

Fate (3) - HighPrincessErinys, Adorable, Cat Scratch Fever
wgeurts (2) - Porkens, Fate
HighPrincessErinys (1) - wgeurts
Petapan (1) - Jingle
Cat Scratch Fever (1) - Radical Rat

Not voting (2) - Cerberus v666, petapan

(expired on 2023-04-26 11:46:00) remain until day end

Jingle is V/LA through Thursday April 20.

With 10 players alive, it takes 6 to reach a majority.

VOTE: wgeurts
Pivoting back to wgeurts because this one thinks probing Fate has not and will not do much more for the time being, and while it doesn't particularly think they're towny it also doesn't think an elim on them is worth pursuing rn.

IS NO ONE ELSE CONCERNED THAT HPE JUMPED FROM VOTING ME THE BIGGEST WAGON TO WHO I AM VOTING?

WHAT THE HELL

wgeurts is and has been my biggest scumread...? Very convinced you just haven't been paying much real attention to the game.

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What did y'all think of my porkens case?

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Well, the Fabled Wgeurts Readwall will likely get the discussion train rolling again, but in the meantime you could always try probing others yourself. Don't think CSF or RR have really posted anything like read lists yet? Would like to see that personally.

What did you think of my porkens case?

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Relatively low activity from me last week was an outlier given that i was on vacation and then came home to working really long hours

I can post a reads list but I'm skeptical that it'll jump start discussion if my points about porkens barely got anyone interested & i believe an enterprising reader can figure out where i stand anyway

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Why am I your top scum read?

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Have you talked to your team about my slot at all?

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What do you have for me?

Can you read 617 and let me know what you think?

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It's mostly because of the early wgeurts defense still. Since then you've looked plausibly town, but so far that's the only moment in this game I can point to as someone actively doing something scummy, whereas everyone else in my lim pool just hasn't been doing Townie things.

As for my team, honestly we haven't been discussing as thoroughly or frequently as we probably should be, but early on Klick said you were pinging him as well, and then Bella's recently said you look Town to her.

Did you see 134? This feels like a fairly underdeveloped read for this stage of the game

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Since you did the research here - would you say Porkens appears disengaged as scum, or especially engaged as town? I'm phrasing it that way, rather than any verbiage implying that it being harder to fake reads than give genuine ones, because Porkens has been around long enough that I do not expect there to actually be a challenge for scum!porkens in giving some content to the game if they chose to do so. Basically, is Porkens baseline meh, and scum doesn't drive them to do better, but town does, or vice-versa?

He appears more disengaged as scum. And when scum, it feels like he posts reads because he feels compelled to

I wouldn't say he is "especially engaged" when town - like he is not going to be a shining beacon of towniness as town & he does seem to get mislimmed in a game here and there

I guess what I'm trying to say is that he feels relatively more engaged when town than scum

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Unrelated to that, but back to the point - the meta tell you're pointing out here is essentially just what is universally viewed as scummy behavior - not anything unique to Porkens. Which probably answers my question above, actually - you just think Porkens is probably bad at playing scum period. Is that an accurate statement?

Pedit: Got it. Question about the accuracy of my statement still stands.

Yes i suppose that's a fair statement

And I agree, it is a generic scumtell. Maybe i shouldn't have phrased it as a meta read, since a lot of people don't care for it, which is kind of frustrating. But generic scumtells don't apply universally, and the fact that there is some past evidence to support this generic scumtell applying specifically to Porkens makes it more valuable than just applying a generic scumtell willy nilly

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Unrelated to that, but back to the point - the meta tell you're pointing out here is essentially just what is universally viewed as scummy behavior - not anything unique to Porkens. Which probably answers my question above, actually - you just think Porkens is probably bad at playing scum period. Is that an accurate statement?

Pedit: Got it. Question about the accuracy of my statement still stands.

Yes i suppose that's a fair statement

And I agree, it is a generic scumtell. Maybe i shouldn't have phrased it as a meta read, since a lot of people don't care for it, which is kind of frustrating. But generic scumtells don't apply universally, and the fact that there is some past evidence to support this generic scumtell applying specifically to Porkens makes it more valuable than just applying a generic scumtell willy nilly

*nods* Got it. In the absence of this meta tell, would you still be voting Porkens?

no, because my initial impression of him without meta was low effort/trolling town, which I don't think he actually is!

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I did realize they were basically the same case - that Porkens takes longer to get into a game as scum - after posting that

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Which is to say, for anyone who has been paying attention, HPE is still not part of the 1.5 slots I would object to limming today.

I feel like I've been paying attention but I still am not sure who the 1.5 is referencing. Yourself presumably and wgeurts based on 369?

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Could also be wgeurts & you, yeah

I guess Coachella got the better of Cerb once again, and we'll find out tomorrow

I did get towny feelings from his posting just now. His thoughts felt unfiltered, as if he was posting his real reaction to posts as he read them & I think he was trying to understand my read on Porkens and the thinking behind it

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Porkens catch up when

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VOTE: cerberus

Staeg tipped the scales, Porkens can be dealt with later

What did Staeg say?

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WGEURTS IS A DEAD END WAGON NOW PORKENS

VOTE YOUR COUNTER WAGON GODDAMNT

VOTE: cerb ok thanks good looking out

I have a really hard time believing this guy is town

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Hpe, wgeurts, RR, cerb - please consider consolidating your vote

or wax a spicy narrative for why your vote is superior

I'm starting to worry we won't have sufficient time to get claims and stuff with ppl checking in infrequently

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whereas porkens is slightly townier for still not caring even though he is very likely a last minute elim option

Fwiw i think both alignments would care about not being limmed, both in a general sense and even more so because this is team mafia

However, his lack of participation seems to benefit scum more in the event that he is limmed as he is hardly giving info

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They're scum trolling

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I could've sworn i just saw cerb online

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I think that's a town post

Porkens anyone?

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You're pretty clearly here and have time to check into the thread but are still not willing to read and give serious thoughts beyond a gut read of two of Adorable's posts

@Porkens

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Wdym it led to a bad claim

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Look I’m town RR is way off too off actually probscum there btw. But I’m town and I wanna live, just tell me what I have to do to make that happen

How are they way too off? How is their scum read on you different from other people's scum reads on you?

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If Porkens did indeed soft earlier, I want him committed to a claim at the very least.

I also don't think it's towny to divert the lim away from Porkens upon seeing a hypothetical soft.

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If Porkens did indeed soft earlier, I want him committed to a claim at the very least.

Why? We’re limming him anyway.

That is preferable. I'll be honest, i woke up today expecting him to already have claimed. Instead we're at the exact same place we were yesterday evening

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PORKENS DID NOT SOFTCLAIM AND I AM NOT TOWN FOR REACTING

STOP

MUDDYING

TEH

GODDAMN THREAD WITH NONSENSE

I cannot keep track of the reason(s) why you don't want to vote for porkens. It won't give info, he is fun to play with or will become easier to read, or you don't think he'll flip scum?

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Are you all caught up? Why are you voting Jingle over Porkens

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No, I think you're more annoyed that a Porkens lim - which you seem opposed to to some degree - seems to be a foregone conclusion

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fwiw what peta said makes sense to me... a less brazen scum player would probably bus Porken in this situation while someone like you would conceivably not because you can talk your way out of it

I did have a fleeting thought that Porkens/wgeurts would make sense as a pairing and then they voted Jingle just now, which was a big question mark

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No, I think you're more annoyed that a Porkens lim - which you seem opposed to to some degree - seems to be a foregone conclusion

Do you think the procession of “u mad bro” is a legitimate town attempt to address any of what I’ve said in the last ~4 hours?

idk maybe? I just reread it, and you sound maybe annoyed, not mad, by his push on you and singling you out, but that also feels like splitting hairs

I dunno what mad cuz bad is supposed to mean though like why would you be mad if you're town?

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fwiw what peta said makes sense to me... a less brazen scum player would probably bus Porken in this situation while someone like you would conceivably not because you can talk your way out of it

That’s explicitly not the narrative though.

The narrative is that I’m incompetent.

you might have to spell this one out for me, because I didn't get that impression

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When you say fates push on you pinged you can you point to what you mean? I believe I know, but that’s rather ambiguous atm.

I said Fate's defense on Porkens pinged me.

Cerb asked me a question if I often get pinged by players going after me and I thought Cerb meant that I got pinged by them for how the way they approached me before the claim.

My b, but the point still stands. Can you point to where exactly you were pinged? Like, a post or a few posts you thought were particularly indicative?

788 809 These posts from Fate pinged me. Porkens has been looking scummy and in one of the post Fate calls them town and I see nothing towny about Porkens.

This made me wonder if there is tmi going on.

Why are you still voting Porkens then?

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fwiw what peta said makes sense to me... a less brazen scum player would probably bus Porken in this situation while someone like you would conceivably not because you can talk your way out of it

That’s explicitly not the narrative though.

The narrative is that I’m incompetent.

you might have to spell this one out for me, because I didn't get that impression

That's pretty clearly the narrative. Peta even said that Jingles scum reads should be considered cop clears.

Obvious intent to paint Jingles as incompetent.

That's implying incompetent town, not incompetent scum, which is the scenario we were talking about

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I guess I've lost the plot

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Are you having a bad day or something

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i saw your posts jingle, but I'm at work now and will take another look later

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Lim Porkens

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What rat said

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Lost my capacity for rational thought somewhere in the last few pages for sure.

looks like you're in the right place then

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well done HPE!