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Post #2627 (isolation #801) » Sun May 21, 2023 6:38 am
Postby Shirou »
VOTE: Mastina
If you're actually town you're literally more unreasonable than old Nancy.
I rest my case.
You never would have given me the benefit of doubt if our positions were reversed, you suspected me when I had such a town role claim, was allegedly roleblocked, etc. I had a lot going on for town!me but it took you Freedom flipping town for you to realize that.
You made a mistake and now is telling me I'm a horrible person if I also do a mistake.
This is the most hypocritical argument I've ever seen to be seriously argued.
"Que será, será. Whatever will be, will be."
"listen i know its funny to say shirou is scum but shirou is just literally crazy"
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Post #2631 (isolation #803) » Sun May 21, 2023 6:45 am
Postby Shirou »
Just vote Mastina if no one cares about sorting/playing this out anymore.
I don't want discussion if this is how Mastina will treat me.
If you're town I don't care about your opinion you're being a goddamn hypocrite by telling me to never make a mistake when you just made a mistake in the past day. Literal what the fuck. In D2 I had Koba as scum even before the guilty/hammer and DeasVail as a potential partner, I'm not playing good here but I'm not being horrible to the point of being treated like this.
Should Freedom also come back from the dead to say you're an egoistical horrible player because you thought he was scum even when him knowing Mala was the fruit vendor on D1 was "proof that he was town"?
"Que será, será. Whatever will be, will be."
"listen i know its funny to say shirou is scum but shirou is just literally crazy"
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Post #2632 (isolation #804) » Sun May 21, 2023 6:46 am
Postby Shirou »
I don't care anymore even if Mastina is town.
If Mastina is town I want us to lose if this is how she'll treat me just for having a scum read on her which she also had on me before Freedom flipped.
"Que será, será. Whatever will be, will be."
"listen i know its funny to say shirou is scum but shirou is just literally crazy"
In post 2621, Shirou wrote:I barely got any of the lims I wanted so far. You got the lim you wanted and now is being toxic towards me for suspecting you for it.
How does this make any sense.
Because my being wrong didn’t cost town the game.
You being wrong, does.
Me being wrong is now costing town the game BECAUSE you were wrong yesterday. If not we would have still 2 lims left.
It's like having 2 bullets to hit a target, then you spend one and miss, give me the gun and say:
"Now, you fucking piece of shit, you need to hit it or else you're dooming us all. You're a horrible player/person if you can't manage to do that. Can't you be more reasonable?"
"Que será, será. Whatever will be, will be."
"listen i know its funny to say shirou is scum but shirou is just literally crazy"
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Post #2645 (isolation #808) » Sun May 21, 2023 7:01 am
Postby Shirou »
If you're town I do not blame you for the Freedom lim that much, I can see how someone could believe he's scum even though there was evidence against that.
So why do I need to receive this treatment? "Because it's the final lim" isn't a good excuse, it's only the final lim because of your actions.
"Que será, será. Whatever will be, will be."
"listen i know its funny to say shirou is scum but shirou is just literally crazy"
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Post #2647 (isolation #810) » Sun May 21, 2023 7:04 am
Postby Shirou »
Like, Mastina, you never came today with a "hey shirou, sorry for being wrong on Freedom, I should have listened to you yesterday. Can we talk? Can you even hypothetically try to consider a team without me on it?"
No, you came right in the "you're town but you're throwing and an egoistical player, I was wrong yesterday but it doesn't matter"
literal what the fuck
I do not believe that town you is this hypocritical
"Que será, será. Whatever will be, will be."
"listen i know its funny to say shirou is scum but shirou is just literally crazy"
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Post #2649 (isolation #812) » Sun May 21, 2023 7:08 am
Postby Shirou »
It would be really hard to make me change my mind given you didn't target me today while I was being watched, however, I could tell you that there was like, a around a 10% chance if you engaged me in good-faith and starting by admitting your mistakes and that it was understandable for me to suspect you for yesterday but that you were town and you would try hard to prove it to me or something
No, all I get is discredit, name calling and insults.
If you're scum eat that loss.
If you're town let's eat that loss together.
"Que será, será. Whatever will be, will be."
"listen i know its funny to say shirou is scum but shirou is just literally crazy"
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Post #2654 (isolation #817) » Sun May 21, 2023 7:13 am
Postby Shirou »
Mastina has been way too toxic to me trying to blame me for all the evils in the world and therefore I'm summoning Shirou, La Forma Toxica, to combat it.
There's two options:
A) Continuing in this hellhole of a game
B) Voting Mastina and if she's ever town we take the L
There's no option C where this fight stop unless one of us die.
"Que será, será. Whatever will be, will be."
"listen i know its funny to say shirou is scum but shirou is just literally crazy"
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Post #2657 (isolation #819) » Sun May 21, 2023 7:16 am
Postby Shirou »
Ok
DGB either scum quickhammer or confirm yourself
DeasVail either scum quickhammer or confirm yourself
sorry if wrong and etc but I literally am going to lose my mind with Mastina trying to blame for bullshit especially if she gets away with this as scum
"Que será, será. Whatever will be, will be."
"listen i know its funny to say shirou is scum but shirou is just literally crazy"
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Post #2682 (isolation #832) » Sun May 21, 2023 8:33 am
Postby Shirou »
Honestly I'm getting a bit of cold feet right now because you've really been relying on the AtE but blegh, it's TM and you're one away from victory if scum, I think you would the utmost to win even as scum here
"Que será, será. Whatever will be, will be."
"listen i know its funny to say shirou is scum but shirou is just literally crazy"
I already explained why I'm voting Mastina rather than DV today though if that's what you're hinting at. She's just the real obstacle for a town win if scum.
"Que será, será. Whatever will be, will be."
"listen i know its funny to say shirou is scum but shirou is just literally crazy"
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Post #2695 (isolation #841) » Sun May 21, 2023 10:24 am
Postby Shirou »
...
I was going to discuss hood distribution and say how it pointed out to Ausuka being more likely town otherwise there would be 3 scum and 1 townie in a hood, but...I'm not sure where I got that idea from, no matter who is the last scum in Ausuka/DeasVail it's still a 2:1:0 distribution of scum
I believe that the 2:1:0 distribution was that so the scum didn't automatically know who the VT was. I probably should have thought of this theory earlier but everything is easier on hindsight. It was never going to be a 1:1:1 distribution or the scum would know who the confirmed town was from the get-go.
"Que será, será. Whatever will be, will be."
"listen i know its funny to say shirou is scum but shirou is just literally crazy"
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Post #2696 (isolation #842) » Sun May 21, 2023 10:26 am
Postby Shirou »
However, I still STRONGLY believe that the last scum is DeasVail between the two.
Ausuka was hard whiteknighted by Koba, kept being sarcastic like saying "the real solve is Mastina/Shirou" through the game, and in general I think scum really would be have bussed her more if she was scum.
Mastina was voting Koba since D1 and before the quickhammer, Koba was voting Mastina. I don't believe Ausuka can be the last scum here, and also:
(continues in the next post)
"Que será, será. Whatever will be, will be."
"listen i know its funny to say shirou is scum but shirou is just literally crazy"
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Post #2697 (isolation #843) » Sun May 21, 2023 10:28 am
Postby Shirou »
THIS POST,
DON'T FORGET THIS POST TOMORROW PLEASE:
In post 1957, Shirou wrote:
Okay, a few quotes from DV/Koba that gives me scum buddy interactions vibes from
both
sides (I kinda agree with DeasVail that by the end it could have been an attempt of Koba to frame/tie themselves with DV, but I feel like those sort of wacky interactions have been going on through the entire game):
Spoiler: A initial attempt on reaching out? Twice? Well okay for now.
In post 324, DeasVail wrote:
DK you’ve asked me about mastina a lot. What are your thoughts on her?
In post 324, DeasVail wrote:
DK you’ve asked me about mastina a lot. What are your thoughts on her?
Spoiler: DV begins to suspect Koba...okay?
In post 402, DeasVail wrote:
Hey Koba I feel like you ask a fair bit of me but when I try to get an idea of where your thoughts are at, I either get a dismissive response or none at all. It feels as if you’re putting on a show for certain slots that you’re relying on townreads from, while ignoring others.
Spoiler: DV waffles really hard on Koba?
In post 512, DeasVail wrote:
DkKoba - Klick townreads them, Bella scumreads them, I want to scumread them! oh and Radical Rat thought they were town a little while back. It's all over the place. I did feel like Koba was doing that scum thing of really intentionally appearing differently to different people, like they knew who the "important" players were and focusing on them, but it would seem from others that that's not necessarily AI for Koba. And part of me thinks that the commitment to that, the complete lack of appeasement, almost obliviousness to the fact that I could think they're scum, could be town.
Spoiler: DV was suspicious of Kowah at this point but feels better as soon as Kowah votes Koba?
I like the Shirou and Kowah votes on Koba and I feel a lot better about both of them than I did previously.
I would say that I'm sympathetic to the Koba wagon and particularly resonate with skepticism of the Koba townreads and Shiro's bothered-ness by this, and Koba is probably the slot I've agonised over the most, but I don't feel personally able to join in on that, at least not right now.
Lol and which part of Shirou's "argument" do you agree with?
690 and 694 made sense to me, as I also struggle to see the solving behind your posts and as you should know I've held suspicion for a while that your posting seems performance-driven. And the fact that it's not just me being stupid is weirdly reassuring?
Spoiler: DV had already posted thoughts about my VT theory, but Koba asks them anyway again. I feel like they just really wanted to interact for some reason?
In post 1581, DeasVail wrote:
Koba to be completely honest I don’t actually feel that compelled to answer your question after 447.
Am I bitter and mad at myself for letting you get away with it? Yes probably, I’ll admit that. But enough’s enough.
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Post #2698 (isolation #844) » Sun May 21, 2023 10:31 am
Postby Shirou »
It's not really a matter of Ausuka being so town that I can't see her being scum ever, it's just the same issue of a [Freedom/DeasVail] dilemma:
DeasVail is just objectively scummier in my opinion.
The interactions that DeasVail & Koba have between them, this "calling each other sus but not pursuing" thing is just WAY more statistically likely to come from scum than Ausuka & Koba interactions, where Koba kept hard defending Ausuka at all costs, even when no one was attacking Ausuka.
There has been rare cases where scum whiteknights their partner, but it's very rare, and it's also rarely AS HARD as it was here.
"Que será, será. Whatever will be, will be."
"listen i know its funny to say shirou is scum but shirou is just literally crazy"
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Post #2699 (isolation #845) » Sun May 21, 2023 10:38 am
Postby Shirou »
Also, ignore Mastina and ask yourself again why Koba quickhammered. It should likely be clearer now that the dust has settled and we know that outside of trolling, mastina is scum.
We likely were voting/suspecting the entire scum team that day if DeasVail is also scum, I think that hit the alarm bells for Koba.
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Post #2700 (isolation #846) » Sun May 21, 2023 10:40 am
Postby Shirou »
Remember the quickhammer itself as well:
In post 1452, DkKoba wrote:
VOTE: kowah I reread and changed my mind.
I don't want this to turn into an ausuka wagon or something
Does this sounds like Koba is scum with Ausuka?
"Hey, I'm quickhammering because I don't want this to turn into a wagon on [my partner] again"
It's LAMIST whiteknighting. That's why they also roleblocked me on N2, they suspected I may have had a alignment clearing result on Ausuka. I'm confident.
"Que será, será. Whatever will be, will be."
"listen i know its funny to say shirou is scum but shirou is just literally crazy"
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Post #2701 (isolation #847) » Sun May 21, 2023 10:45 am
Postby Shirou »
Ausuka role also makes little sense if she isn't multitasking, imagine it:
"You're scum that every even-night can't nightkill because you must compulsively send someone a fruit, and therefore risk outing yourself"
It doesn't sound like a good idea for a scum role AT ALL. Ausuka if scum is definitely multitasking, and while Mastina avoided the guilty by targeting elsewhere, Ausuka sticked to the plan and targeted me at risk of being guilted by watcher!Xof if I protected them as I said I would.
It's just a really, really risky gambit and it's why Mastina didn't do it in the first place.
"Que será, será. Whatever will be, will be."
"listen i know its funny to say shirou is scum but shirou is just literally crazy"
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Post #2702 (isolation #848) » Sun May 21, 2023 10:50 am
Postby Shirou »
For Ausuka to be scum at this point it also requires DeasVail to be town, so I want to remind ourselves of another Ausuka post:
In post 2267, Ausuka wrote:
if freedom is town surely dgb does whatever she wants?
It seems unwise to plan that when mafia can just use the other person to kill.
From scum!Ausuka's PoV:
We were telling the Jailkeeper to target a town!DeasVail, and assure that scum can swiftly kill at night, but then she tries to suggest for DGB to target at random which could block scum nightkill?
I think this is +town as well.
"Que será, será. Whatever will be, will be."
"listen i know its funny to say shirou is scum but shirou is just literally crazy"
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Post #2703 (isolation #849) » Sun May 21, 2023 10:52 am
Postby Shirou »
Once again,
There's considerable objective evidence that some of Ausuka's interactions or posts statistically have come more from town in my 5 years of experience.
There's considerable objective evidence that some of DeasVail's interactions or posts statistically have come more from scum in my 5 years of experience.
"Que será, será. Whatever will be, will be."
"listen i know its funny to say shirou is scum but shirou is just literally crazy"
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Post #2706 (isolation #852) » Sun May 21, 2023 10:56 am
Postby Shirou »
Mastian also had little incentive to push Freedom so hard yesterday and look bad in the flip rather than being more amiable to a DeasVail elimination if they were both miseliminations.
I rest my case.
DGB I entrust this town to you if we weren't just trolled by a Ausuka + DeasVail slowroll.
"Que será, será. Whatever will be, will be."
"listen i know its funny to say shirou is scum but shirou is just literally crazy"
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Post #2717 (isolation #860) » Sun May 21, 2023 11:18 am
Postby Shirou »
Oh also, I'm literally confirmed town now that I think about it
If it was me/DGB we could have hammered DeasVail
If It was me/DeasVail we could have hammered Mastina
If It was me/Ausuka we could have hammered DeasVail as well
This is the end of the road. Aside from trolling, It's confirmed to have scum between [Mastina/Shirou], but also confirmed that scum!Shirou could have coordinated a win with anyone else by this point. I was always online.
Goodbye, let's meet again at post-game to see what came out of this.
"Que será, será. Whatever will be, will be."
"listen i know its funny to say shirou is scum but shirou is just literally crazy"