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What's up evens, stevens, and ice cream heathens?

VOTE: Elements

This is a somewhat serious vote

[OutWorldER]

What's up evens, stevens, and ice cream heathens?

VOTE: Elements

This is a somewhat serious vote

What makes me scum?

Its very weak but I'm not a huge fan of the brief vote onto Key while Gamma was prodding them (which I already wasn't feeling super good about) and then re-vote onto Bingle. It's possible I'm just reading too much into troll-posting in RVS though.

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Btw, I don't think Bingle's #13 has a town mindset:

VOTE: Bingle

BTW, Key, can you explain why you think #13 is anti-town? I'm of the opposite mindset here actually.

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@Gamma: What do you think about Bingle at this point?

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I thought it sounded like scum speaking in the "we" as opposed to the town "we" (yes, tenuous at best). But then he revealed he is a game designer and I realized there was no way he could scum-slip there.

Why do you think Bingle being a reviewer makes it impossible for him to scum-slip there?

I do like this response though, I think Key is town.

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Serious business everyone already playing

I'm locktowning mayhemthrone Organized Khaos + OutWorldER

Celebloki sus

Curious why you chose these three players in particular to say you were locktowning at the beginning of the game? Obviously I know this isn't a serious post, but I am genuinely wanting to know.

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I have not been on this site for close to 2 years at this point and I think I played...one game with her before then? I think? I don't remember I have to look through my topics.

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Actually no I haven't played with her at all she was in a game I modded where she then replaced out, so I don't really have anything on her tbh.

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Curious what people are seeing in Bingle? I can't really see any of his early posts coming from scum outside of a very specific scenario.

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@Out: I would suggest you query Bingle about that scenario?

I do not think the question "Hey are you an Informed Traitor trying to sneak info to your scum team in the early pages of the game?" would ever grab me a useful answer asked to him directly.

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There is a reason I use that specific wording, btw.

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UNVOTE:

Can agree with the town block presented in 227. Juggling two options in my head where my vote could go right now but want to ask some questions first, mainly at Gamma

I'm pretty sure Flavor voted Key because of his reaction to the E-1 and I think Flavor could be onto something
the thing is, he can probably explain anything more detailed about that better than I can

I actually do want you to explain what you think you see there in a Key vote, in your own words, because both your votes so far have been sheepy and your push onto Bingle earlier feels very weak and reachy.

I'm actually not feeling super good about Flavor right now either because 150 strikes me as very smug in a way that I don't think Town would be in that scenario but from 161 I feel like it also might just be some joke I'm not getting.

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Why were you so fixated on Bingle jokingly ignoring FL and saying their were only 12 players here? The way it's presented in 99 and 127 make it appear as though those were the reasons you were voting him.

In fact, now that you've moved to voting key, what is your thoughts on Bingle now?

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Meh.

VOTE: Flavor Leaf


I'm wary of any read I have on Flavor because his reputation and my past experience on one of his scum teams is likely to bias me towards him but I do stand by what I said about 150 and I don't have a better place for my vote.

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i put Bingle to E-1 for the pure purpose of getting the wagon down.

I clearly said I would protect him, and it immediately brought his wagon heat down.

You had no fear of someone quick-hammering?

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UNVOTE:

Spicy take incoming but I feel of the like...6 or 7 people who have been primarily posting so far I don't think scum is in any of them. Gamma is probably who I'd pick for most likely scum here at the moment but while her answers are evasive and frustrating I don't feel like it's in a scummy way? Feels more like townie playing close to the chest, that's the vibe I get. Flavor's explanation on 150 is satisfying, and I don't think I'd get anything valuable by continuing to poke at it.

Think I'll actually throw down a
VOTE: Organized Khaos because 90 and 147 ping me.

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I'm here but reading the last few pages causes my eyes to glaze over. Why are we trying to lead a policy lim on the first 14 pages of the game?

re: Elements, I actually think the fake/joke informed claim comes from town here, for reasons I will not divulge. I think it was simply unfortunate for Elements that KT was an actual informed.

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Gamma's been evasive the whole game, though I already went over why I personally don't think that's scummy beforehand.

UNVOTE:

I can see the case for Khaos being town. I'll be honest, Key's tunnel on Elements has completely checked me out of this game. I feel like if there's scum coasting here they're coasting entirely off the back of the fact that that's dominated discussion for the past like, 8 pages by my count?

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Sure.

VOTE: Eiralox

I have to go to work soon so someone make my case for me, thanks.

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Outworlder

-- RVS entrance explosive, sincere querying of existing wagons/players, posits game theory of Bingle-scum, suspects Favor; fearless & strong town

Does this help enough or shall we go post by post for each point?

Furthermore, just ISO the guy. To me its more than clear that he is a skilled & motivated townie seeking scum, pushing cases, querying players and positing theories, just like yourself. The only problem right now is that he is taking a break and will need to re-focus; seeing his relatively extensive experience,

I expect him to come back strong, relatively soon.

you have more faith in me than I do

I'm like completely lost here tbh I should not have joined two games at once. when I asked for someone to make my Eira case for me I was being entirely serious I did not have the time to do anything but sheep Chell since she was lookin townie.

The only real observation I've been able to make is that OK's case on Chell looks like paranoid new town. I'm trying to catch up.

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Alright I think I'm mostly caught up:

VOTE: Naerys

I think I agree with Bingle's case here most of all, and honestly looking through the pages with an actual earnest eye it feels like Eira is getting mostly scumread for differences in playstyle rather than being actually scummy, and Naerys's post towards Eira here feel like that most of all and the thing that sells a Naerys vote here for me is it honestly looks like Naerys is cognizant of this fact.

re: Chell. I think she's town. I wouldn't have sheeped her vote onto you otherwise. I think the difference in how Chell is selling a case on you (Eira) and how Naerys is doing it is night and day.

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I think I agree with Bingle's case here most of all, and honestly looking through the pages with an actual earnest eye it feels like Eira is getting mostly scumread for differences in playstyle rather than being actually scummy, and Naerys's post towards Eira here feel like that most of all and the thing that sells a Naerys vote here for me is it honestly looks like Naerys is cognizant of this fact.

Its kinda BS you and Bingle are trying to present here. I literally posted why i SR Eira. For example - claiming that D1 is better with no lim has exactly 0% town mindset. Just for saying that, Eira SHOULD be suspected. Plus saying few names and "vote them instead" without elaborating doesnt really help my reading them either. Thats what i saw scum doing. I liked some of the Eira´s latest posts so i am reconsidering some stuff rn. But i strongly dislike your post. It smells with shading.

I could see "no elim D1" coming from a town mindset. I don't agree with it, but I could see it. "Saying few names and 'vote them instead'" does not really seem to be what Eiralox the majority of the time though.

"Shading" I'm actively voting you, gal.

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What am I trying to say you're lying about.

My point is it seemed you were cognizant of playstyle differences between you and Eira and were pushing Eira for it anyways. What am I trying to say you're lying about there?

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One of your main points against Eira is that Eira said "I like no elims D1"

Explain how this is not a playstyle difference that you were pushing Eira for.

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Okay but if Eira has said this multiple times throughout their mafia career, as they have very clearly stated they have, then it is, in fact, a playstyle difference. Eira has no reason to lie about a verifiable fact, so frankly it doesn't matter that you disagree with that opinion.