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[Hu Tao]

Hi.

[Hu Tao]

As a member of the town, I am interested in everyone's biggest scumread at the moment

[Hu Tao]

VOTE: Hu Tao

Do something interesting

-A

I literally just asked everyone's scum read. This feels fake to me

[Hu Tao]

Hm… if everyone else is not seeing Wartortle’s opener as being scummy, I suppose I’ll have to put my push to the side for now.

VOTE: Hu Tao, since a bit of pressure on a slot with two total posts (literally less than 1% of all posts so far) is likely a good move to generate content.

Actually this is worse. Reminds me of last game when you were scum.

VOTE: wiz

Explaining your vote like that is more likely to come from scum because they want self validation.

[Hu Tao]

VOTE: Hu Tao

Do something interesting

-A

I literally just asked everyone's scum read. This feels fake to me

Your ISO was just a "hi" and a "who's everyone scumreading", literally negative info on your slot

Why not answer the question and ask me back to get more out of me?

[Hu Tao]

Why not answer the question and ask me back to get more out of me?

Sounds boring, I'll pass

[Hu Tao]

Still think wiz is scum here

[Hu Tao]

I've learned the less I talk the less i get scumread.

[Hu Tao]

Steady can you explain why wiz is town

[Hu Tao]

Steady can you explain why wiz is town

I'm null at best on Wiz, except for the person I think was scum was pushing for his lim.

Speaking of which can we please get a prod on Roden?

Thoughts on smiley too?

[Hu Tao]

I think either Hu Tao or Roden who are sitting on Animated wagon, might be scum. From Ani i get townie vibes. I think scum is testing waters for easy lim.

He's similar to a scum game I was just in

[Hu Tao]

Town

: Black, TheHoldSteady

Townlean

: BlackStar, thestatusquo, usesPython, Enchant

Null

: SmileyDude1, Hu Tao

Scumlean

: Wartortle, Naerys, OutworldER

Scum

: Roden

Based on the previous games we've played together, what are your thoughts on me now?

[Hu Tao]

DE/Roden, Black <--- Townread
Hu Tao, Smiley <--- Townlean
Naerys, THS <-- Null
Enchant, Python <-- Scumlean
AnimatedWiz, Wartortle <-- Scumread

Hu Tao gets a townlean from me because I genuinely don't think scum that's playing the way she is would make the vote she made in 264.

Thanks! Why/when did your thought process on Hu Tao switch, exactly? You scumread them hard in 291, which was

after

264.

Posts like this is why I think wiz is scum. The answer was right there but posting to look busy

[Hu Tao]

I suppose that's a fair read

[Hu Tao]

VOTE: Wartortle

what

[Hu Tao]

scum is some bullshit like roden/python/hu tao

Well having me in there makes this wrong. Hope this helps

[Hu Tao]

im dead why the fuck would i fakeclaim

You missed point.

what fucking point???

Also vanilla cop suck

Still not fair to give him a chance. Like unironically even if you thought he was scum you'd get more info from him trying to make a fake claim than just hammering that way

[Hu Tao]

Anyway i agree that Enchant should be the suspect for tomorrow.

BTW. I think naerys is scum from this post. And I don't think enchant is scum

[Hu Tao]

Anyway i agree that Enchant should be the suspect for tomorrow.

"i agree"

since when did anyone else say that enchant should be the suspect for tomorrow???

glad people are seeing what I'm seeing

[Hu Tao]

Anyway i agree that Enchant should be the suspect for tomorrow.

maybe black who assumed i am TROLL and not mafia getting elims i want?

I didn't assume. You are a troll, regardless of your alignment

Hrs not a troll. Just because he has different views doesn't make him one

[Hu Tao]

Black basically KNEW i would hammer, goated you in putting on E-1, then "oh no troll how unfunny".

You might have a point.

LIM THIS TOMORROW please

Way ahead of you

[Hu Tao]

this seems like flailing.

Why would they flail when they are already voted. What are you talking about

[Hu Tao]

wait wtf there was a hammer?

Oh OK. Forgiven then

[Hu Tao]

Spicy Ramen

VOTE: Naerys

[Hu Tao]

I think all reactions sucked.

OH MY WHY THERE'S NO KILL IT WAS PROBABLY DOC/ROLEBLOCKER?

Do you want them to ignore it?

[Hu Tao]

So Enchant is the Naerys partner

Enchant feels kinda annoyed and frustrated here compared to how frivolous he was D1. I would probably feel this way too if my kill didn't go through

GGEZ

Big doubt on this one

[Hu Tao]

I kinda want to go Enchant before Naerys tbh. I think he might flip red regardless of what she flips. If she is town then Enchant seems informed of her alignment. He's subtly defending her here which probably indicates a pockety type thing going on

Disagree. Based on yesterday I think it should be Naerys and then Wiz

[Hu Tao]

I am, hm… I feel like this beginning to D2 has changed some of my reads a bit. I do think BlackStar is town, and Black too. Enchant is… being vastly different from earlier, but I can’t exactly say that’s alignment-indicative—just definitely notable.

I’m getting somewhat scummy vibes from Shea, but I’m unsure if I’m just, uh, reading this wrong—just the reaction to the D2 opening from Naerys feels weird in my gut and I can’t actually figure out why. I need to comb through the ISO and see if I can identify anything that would make me feel this way.

And Naerys feels… genuinely frustrated. I just feel like the woman’s getting piled on here, and I’m far less sure in my scumread as a result. I can’t say I townread her, but she’s approaching null.

Actually maybe I should stick to my guns and go wiz first

[Hu Tao]

I don't think Black is capable of voting scum unfortunately

[Hu Tao]

Based on yesterday I think it should be Naerys and then Wiz

Also, would love to get a readslist from you—I feel like you’ve been far more quiet this game and it’s not making me want to trust you.

Was I not quiet before as town? What changed?

[Hu Tao]

Actually maybe I should stick to my guns and go wiz first

Annie is locktown

I'll trust this for now but thoughts on naerys?

[Hu Tao]

Where I'm leaning now is probably Roden + Python or Smiley or Black + Python, Smiley, or Outworld? Then I dunno who the third scum would be yet.

Why is Black/Roden SvT?

Good question I still think it's early for s/t posts

[Hu Tao]

Actually maybe I should stick to my guns and go wiz first

Annie is locktown

I'll trust this for now but thoughts on naerys?

Can you explain why do you suspect me?

Based on everything I said end of day yesterday it looked like you were setting up

[Hu Tao]

Sorry I'll catch up on this game soon

[Hu Tao]

I finally have some time

[Hu Tao]

VOTE: Roden

I don't care and I lost interest, just kill Black tomorrow

I get feeling this way since I have before but feels a bit early

[Hu Tao]

Python, I fear y’all are going to have a lot of policy votes if you keep adding more conditions on.

Why do you care?

This is wiz acting as town

[Hu Tao]

I actually kinda like that solve from Wartortle

I'm not a fan of a solve that has Hu Tao in it tbh I think my legacy read from D1 there still fits, nothing that Hu Tao has posted since has swayed me otherwise.

I'm weary of people who defend me when I've literally done nothing.

[Hu Tao]

OutWorldER comes out from this much worse than THS tbh

I don't get how you can get a read from anything other than the last votecount and I don't see why scum can't be off wagon there

All 3 scum outside of the wagon? Possible, but i dont believe that

I'm not talking about having all 3 scum off wagon here, I'm saying your wagonomics implies no scum were off wagon

wagonomics is garbage.

Agreege

[Hu Tao]

Actually maybe I should stick to my guns and go wiz first

Annie is locktown

I'll trust this for now but thoughts on naerys?

Can you explain why do you suspect me?

Based on everything I said end of day yesterday it looked like you were setting up

A Naerys wagon probably isn't happening today, who else do you think is scum

Wiz, and possibly ower

[Hu Tao]

OWER, Enchant, Hu

VOTE: Hu Tao.

VOTE: Hu Tao

Can y'all like wait for the other half of the players to check in

These posts don't add up. You say I'm in your limpool but want others to show up after 2 votes? Sus

[Hu Tao]

VOTE: ower

I'll go here for now since I don't think naerys or wiz happens

[Hu Tao]

I'm a doctor

[Hu Tao]

I'm a doctor

If you're claiming you might as well fullclaim

I'm a doctor what else is there to claim?

[Hu Tao]

Oh I forgot there wasn't a night kill. I'm not a doctor. Never mind.

[Hu Tao]

Oh I forgot there wasn't a night kill. I'm not a doctor. Never mind.

[Hu Tao]

Kinda really wanna fade Hu Tao over this tbh

Oh no..

[Hu Tao]

This game has been awful. No one can scumread anyone without getting flamed for it. This whole "FUCK YOU FOR THINKING ITS ME" bullshit really ruined the game for me. The rules literally say to be kind and no personal attacks and that never gets enforced. We have a literal mod in here breaking the rule on multiple occasions. It's disgusting

This seems like a bit of an overreaction

[Hu Tao]

I'm over this game

I'm a Macho 2-shot Watcher. No one visited Annie N1

Why would you watch Annie?

[Hu Tao]

Because Annie is locktown and I thought he would be the NK

He was the leading vote for a large part of d1. Even if you tr him, not everyone did

[Hu Tao]

Python, I fear y’all are going to have a lot of policy votes if you keep adding more conditions on.

Why do you care?

This is wiz acting as town

VOTE: ower

I'll go here for now since I don't think naerys or

wiz

happens

I think Hu Tao is saying that I’m faking a town act, not that I’m town. Confused me too when I first read that pair of posts, though.

This is correct!

[Hu Tao]

Because Annie is locktown and I thought he would be the NK

He was the leading vote for a large part of d1. Even if you tr him, not everyone did

Why in the hell you claim doctor in game with skipped NK.

I forgot. Sorry enchant-chan

[Hu Tao]

I actually kinda like that solve from Wartortle

I'm not a fan of a solve that has Hu Tao in it tbh I think my legacy read from D1 there still fits, nothing that Hu Tao has posted since has swayed me otherwise.

I'm weary of people who defend me when I've literally done nothing.

I have a feeling Hu Tao will flip town and Outworld ia trying to make themselves look more townie by staying off the bandwagon. This type of inactive, agendaless slot that Hu Tao is occupying rarely flips scum in my experience.

I agree! Which is why I want Ower

[Hu Tao]

Hu Tao please explain your motivation behind that claim

I wanted reactions but I forgot there was no night kill so could bring the wrong reaction.

[Hu Tao]

So THS is the Hu Tao partner

No way you believe this?

[Hu Tao]

VOTE: OWER

I don't know why scum!Hu would claim Doc here and then back off right away instead of just faking a target. Doesn't really make sense to me the more I think about it

She backed off cause we were very clearly softing that we had something to do the lack of nightkill and therefore didn't need to keep the claim anymore since it already forced a cc

Please re-read. You said something AFTER I said I'm not doc.

[Hu Tao]

Like scum!Hu could have just picked a random townie to say that they protected and it would give them a much higher chance of survival than saying "lol jk I lied"

Again, if she picks a random townie then that's almost a guaranteed 1v1 right there and I don't think she wins that against us. Backing off like this at least gives her a chance of making it through the day

At first I thought you were scum coming up with a rhetoric but I think you actually believe this even though no one else sees this way. You're probably town

[Hu Tao]

Hu Tao you have 24 hours to explain why you claimed Doctor or else I'm voting you and not switching.

Darn. Now I wish I DIDNT explain.

[Hu Tao]

All ATE will be disregarded as emotional manipulation. I am not falling for it twice.

Thanks.

Has black or worst done ate as scum before?

[Hu Tao]

Can we please just vote out the player who fake claimed a role and then immediately took it back when they got CC'd

This is scum

[Hu Tao]

VOTE: OWER

I don't know why scum!Hu would claim Doc here and then back off right away instead of just faking a target. Doesn't really make sense to me the more I think about it

She backed off cause we were very clearly softing that we had something to do the lack of nightkill and therefore didn't need to keep the claim anymore since it already forced a cc

Please re-read. You said something AFTER I said I'm not doc.

We softed that we had something to do with the lack of nightkill

before

you retracted your claim unless you wanna say that a VT would normally immediately ask for a fullclaim and start saying a doctor isn't mech clear when a no kill happened

Considering others thought the same yes

[Hu Tao]

If I'm being honest I was checked out this game. I needed to do something to get me reads. And it has worked

[Hu Tao]

Why as scum would I claim doctor with only 3 votes on me and retract right away.

[Hu Tao]

I'm actually back to mixed reads on python. Unless they are always stubborn

[Hu Tao]

Why as scum would I claim doctor with only 3 votes on me and retract right away.

Because you already got the reaction you needed

So you're saying instead of trying to stay alive I would want to die after 3 votes? Make it make sense

[Hu Tao]

If I had to choose 3 i would say roden naerys and ower. Outside chance at python but not sure if this is just their personality and unwilling to think outside the box here

[Hu Tao]

Why as scum would I claim doctor with only 3 votes on me and retract right away.

Because you already got the reaction you needed

So you're saying instead of trying to stay alive I would want to die after 3 votes? Make it make sense

People are literally refusing to vote you here cause you backtracked on your claim, how is that wanting to die

Because they can understand why scum wouldn't be scared of a cc in this situation

[Hu Tao]

Why not? I can be very convincing as scum.

[Hu Tao]

All ATE will be disregarded as emotional manipulation. I am not falling for it twice.

Thanks.

Has black or worst done ate as scum before?

Everyone ATE as mafia, otherwise townies which insult each other will be conftown.

I don't ATE as scum. Seems in poor taste but I suppose it depends on the ATE

[Hu Tao]

Why not? I can be very convincing as scum.

We're townlean'd or better by like over half the playerlist, the only person who was TRing you before the claim was like Naerys. You straight up do not win a cc battle there after getting cc'd by a Doctor/Jailkeeper claim

When it comes to counter claims it doesn't always depend on what happened before but during, either way silly conversation. If I magically was revealed town who do you think is scum?

[Hu Tao]

I'll be waiting

[Hu Tao]

Naur. Gg all